What Happens When Your Private Network Gets Discovered by G?

by momo3
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Lets say I sign up for a private network to rank a site.

Or I am using sape links.

If G finds these links, do I get a penalty or are the links just devalued?

Is my site still worthy or will it have some sort of penalty?

The reason I ask is because I am paranoid to join anything for my main money sites.

Thanks a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I guess you don't realize SAPE links are for disposable money sites.

    SAPE links are hacked sites/links, so yea, Google will probably crush your money site when they make the connection between your money site & SAPE links.

    Lets see how long it takes the SAPE link sellers to disagree.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Ok lets not create a war in my thread, or be negative here.

    Just wondering what happens to the final money site

    1.) When a sape network is discovered
    OR
    2.) When a regular blog network is discovered.

    Never used sape links in my life, but was considering it.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Ok lets not create a war in my thread, or be negative here.

      Just wondering what happens to the final money site

      1.) When a sape network is discovered
      OR
      2.) When a regular blog network is discovered.

      Never used sape links in my life, but was considering it.
      What happens when a money site gets blasted with $5 junk links from things like fiverr gigs, do you think Google will penalize the thousands of blogs/forums that didn't realize what was going on? Doubtful.

      Google has mentioned hacked backlinks (SAPE) as base64 backlinks. So, the more hacked links you have pointing at your money site/s increases the chance that an innocent site will report to Google that they've been hacked (your backlinks).

      If you have a legit longterm site, your shooting yourself in the foot messing around with hacked/SAPE links.

      Why you would even consider SAPE is beyond me.
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    • Profile picture of the author LogoDesignExpert
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Ok lets not create a war in my thread, or be negative here.

      Just wondering what happens to the final money site

      1.) When a sape network is discovered
      OR
      2.) When a regular blog network is discovered.

      Never used sape links in my life, but was considering it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Just wondering what happens to the final money site

      2.) When a regular blog network is discovered.
      What do you mean by "discovered"?

      The whole point of a blog network is that Google has to index them in order to view the links in them, which then pass link juice to whatever site they link to.

      You don't hide the blog network from Google. You just hide the fact that it is a blog network from them, by using different hosts or IP addresses or whatever, so to their bots it just looks like a bunch of websites owned by various individuals instead of being owned by a single person.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Kahuna SEO
    We really have no way of knowing if Google would decide to give you a penalty or just devalue the links...you are asking a question we can't answer. If you want an opinion, then mine is they would just devalue the links...
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Yeah.. that is what I am thinking.. that the people hosting the networks will get deindexed or devalued..
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Yeah.. that is what I am thinking.. that the people hosting the networks will get deindexed or devalued..
      Well you can think what you like but that doesn't mean Google is going to do what you want it to do.

      Fact is buying links are a violation of Google's rules. Are sape links bought links? Yes. So people can tell you what they think will happen but no one on this forum works for Google to tell you what Google will do.

      I can tell you that I have had customers with crappy links and it takes a WHOLE LOT more for them to ever rank again (and some never do even with a clean up) to believe that links are just discounted all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author webcounted
    When a regular blog network is discovered by G. a part of the blogs may be de-indexed,,and your money site lose SERP.
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  • Profile picture of the author PROmotions LLC
    SAPE Links are terrible, why would you want your site on a hacked site? Sooner or later it is going to be discovered, and your links would most likely just get deleted. It's impossible to say if Google would penalize your site or not, but if all you have are SAPE links, then it's safe to say they will eventually go away.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Ok
    Lets pretend I never said SAPE links.
    I was just entertaining the idea of trying some on a site.
    But you guys have taught me that its not worth it. Thanks guys!

    ...

    But lets just talk about regular blog networks.

    Lets say I pay some guy X amount per month to be on his network
    And then Google finds that network.

    Is there any proof that the customers of these networks (me) have had any penalties to their money sites?

    I realize its against Google's terms of service, and all that. But is there any proof out there of people's sites actually getting a penalty? Or is the network just deindexed/devalued?

    Note: of course the blog network links wouldn't be the only links in the link profile. They'd just be some of its stronger links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Unnatural Link Warnings and Blog Networks - Moz

      Some have reported it. i think its pretty rare but frankly I think its a matter of the money site. If its total junk and Google sees the links to it that just don't seem credible with no credible site linking to it then hey - its pretty obvious you are buying links so maybe. If the site is worthwhile has some obviously legit links then less likely.

      Sape users to me are playing with fire. Sape uses hacked sites and as many have stated they are hard to track down and deindex all the sites. So to me in some cases they can't (or shouldn't) penalize the site thats been hacked. So what are they going to do? Just let it go on or send a message to Sape customers. I can see them slapping a site that uses them just for that reason.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Guys


    Lets pump the brakes a bit here.
    I am NOT talking about SAPE links. As you can see (a few posts up), I said lets totally disregard SAPE links.



    I am talking about regular blog network links. Contextual blog network links. If I buy them and point them at valuable sites, are those valuable sites at risk (for a true penalty)?


    I guess the bottom line is that we will never know, as they may crack down on it in the future.

    But when blog networks have been found in the past, were the sites they were pointing to penalized (besides link devaluation)?

    In other words, would YOU put valuable sites on blog networks?

    I realize the ultimate is to build your own.. and this whole question is kind of subjective.. but.. Just kinda wanted some friendly feedback.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      I am talking about regular blog network links. Contextual blog network links. If I buy them and point them at valuable sites, are those valuable sites at risk (for a true penalty)?.
      Of course you're at risk of penalty. You didn't just fall off the turnip truck did you?

      If the 'linked from' site does down, the 'linked to' site suffers as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Lets say I sign up for a private network to rank a site.

      Or I am using sape links.
      Originally Posted by momo3 View Post

      Guys


      Lets pump the brakes a bit here.
      I am NOT talking about SAPE links. As you can see (a few posts up), I said lets totally disregard SAPE links.
      I commented about SAPE links because you asked about SAPE links in OP.

      Who's on first?
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  • Profile picture of the author Backlinko
    They usually let the sites linked to from the blog networks slide.

    When BMR got indexed a year and a half ago there were THOUSANDS of sites getting links from it. As as far as I know Google didn't go one by one through the list and penalize each one.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      For me it's more interesting to see what happens with the private network.

      At the moment of speaking about 15-30% of the sites in my private network are:

      - reported multiple times by clients performing disavow requests
      - look like typical private blog network sites
      - are hosted on A-class SEO hosting
      - are linking out to penalized sites (that kind of stuff happens when you sell links at forums)

      When I compare that to my other private network sites the deindexing factor is exactly the same as the sites that you could flag as wrong so either Google has an incredibly hard time to identify blog networks or they just don't care.

      I think the latter is the case and thus the network survives and the ranking website gets penalized. Having 3-4 domains out of 400+ domains kind of proves that they leave the network untouched.

      Sure we've had the ALN/BMR mass-deindex action but that was a huge manual action at the time to give off huge warnings. Since then it has been very quite with huge networks so Google's trick worked.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        the same as the sites that you could flag as wrong so either Google has an incredibly hard time to identify blog networks or they just don't care.

        I think the latter is the case and thus the network survives and the ranking website gets penalized. Having 3-4 domains out of 400+ domains kind of proves that they leave the network untouched.
        It proves no such thing Nik. Site have been deindexed since BMR etc. Many networks disappear without being as popular as BMR for you to know about. All it shows is that it is a manual action that they might not get around to for awhile. You can be a low priority for Google for 50 weeks and get deindexed in the 51st week. I'm telling you nik -get out of that low end market. Up to 30% of the sites getting reported,linking out to sites that get penalized are clients not to have. You just have to wake up one day and find you have lost thousands of dollars.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          I'm telling you nik -get out of that low end market. Up to 30% of the sites getting reported,linking out to sites that get penalized are clients not to have. You just have to wake up one day and find you have lost thousands of dollars.
          Last week I updated my monthly seo service sales thread, with the message that we will refuse affiliate/adsense type of sites as it started to annoy me, especially after the latest anti-affiliate updates that Google pushed through on the 6th of June and 9th of July.

          As right now it seems almost impossible to survive in Google's landscape, even with semi-decent affiliate sites. Probably you would still flag it as crap but I mean decent content but all written in the same way of 400-500 word articles etc.

          A site might get 2-3 times reported and come through it but if this go's on then it might very well be that it gets 10 times reported before the year ends and probably Google has some rule like don't cross the line to often.

          Nowadays you also have these so-called unnatural link detecting softwares that are able to flag links on decent build PR6 domains as unnatural. Probably those services will do well these days as everyone is looking for a solution when using the disavow tool, instead of manually having to dig through each link, so again a higher chance of getting reported.

          So right now it's only logical to refuse certain clients as from my offline clients I hardly see anyone getting penalized.

          What I did is split the network in two networks, one that will be used for monthly offline clients, the other "weaker" part is still available for one time package clients with any type of site. In case an offline business orders a one time package I will suggest them to go for the monthly service instead, they could just pay the difference or I could refund them the difference.

          Slowly I will also start to move posts from affiliate clients on the monthly service network to the other network to increase the quality even more and as time passes by I will start to add relevant sites divided over a handful of broad niches and actually rank the posts so that the sites receive real traffic. Obvious all that is a long term process as 20 solid PR4 domains easily cost $4000,- and that's about the max I want to invest per month, and that's only 4 sites per broad niche so it definitely takes time but I think it's worth it in the long run.

          It would be a total disaster if I lost whole my network over night.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            End of last year I just started saying no to all requests for SEO from adsense sites. Never for some reason had any affiliate customers. Lets face it you can have the most wonderful content in the world and set everything up right but if you are linking to a site that no one in his right mind would be linking to you its a dead giveaway the links are bought.

            You simply cannot link to crappy sites and be protected.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Backlinko View Post

      They usually let the sites linked to from the blog networks slide.

      When BMR got indexed a year and a half ago there were THOUSANDS of sites getting links from it. As as far as I know Google didn't go one by one through the list and penalize each one.
      That's not the same thing, your talking about buying links from BMR which owned the pages that the links would be placed on. OP is talking about hacked links on unsuspecting webmaster pages that want nothing to do with SAPE (they've been hacked).

      If a webmaster reports to Google that they've been hacked, here's all the pages/links that are hacking my site/pages, I seriously doubt Google would let that slide.
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  • Profile picture of the author momo3
    Thanks NikO, thanks Backlinko.

    Yukon - Please re-read all of what I posted. I have mentioned twice now (since my original post) that I am talking about classic blog networks. Not sape links.

    Yes performanceman, I agree, the site would suffer because the juice would be lost.
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