Creating my Own Private PR Blog Network

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So, I've been doing a lot of research and decided the best way to raise my Page Rank for my money site (and potentially search rankings) would be to create a relevant blog network.

I went ahead and bought 2 expired domain names for this month with a page rank of 3 and 4. (legit). I'm hosting them on separate C-class IP addresses and have the domain registrar information private. I uploaded a 'unique' design to them and added 1 intro post to each and 1 unique post to each.

My question is how many unique posts should be on these non-money sites? around 5? 10? 20? 50? I was thinking 10 should be sufficient but am unsure? Any help and/or thoughts are warmly welcomed!

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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post


    My question is how many unique posts should be on these non-money sites? around 5? 10? 20? 50? I was thinking 10 should be sufficient but am unsure?
    As many as you need to keep the PR. LOL.

    No, seriously, you should not think in static number of posts if you want to keep the page rank. You should rather post on a regular basis.

    If possible a few posts per week and it should not be a problem to keep and increase PR. If you just put a couple posts on there and forget it your PR will go to 0 in a hurry.

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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      As many as you need to keep the PR. LOL.

      No, seriously, you should not think in static number of posts if you want to keep the page rank. You should rather post on a regular basis.

      If possible a few posts per week and it should not be a problem to keep and increase PR. If you just put a couple posts on there and forget it your PR will go to 0 in a hurry.
      I disagree. PageRank is based on incoming links to a page. Adding or not adding additional pages to a website is irrelevant to the PageRank of existing pages.

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      By the way, link building from expired domains for SEO purposes is an excellent strategy IMHO. I'd ignore the naysayers who say abandon the plan and avoid SEO. They don't even know what your website is.

      While it is obviously true having a multitude of traffic sources if better than one, for many sites it would be absurdly foolish to not go after the largest traffic source available - Google.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
        First and foremost, DANIELLEFAITH.ME is NOT the money site! That would be the stupidest thing if it was.

        DanielleFaith.me is an entirely different tale that is a social expermiment. It makes $0 in profit. It was built by me as an attempt to get traffic from sources outside of Google, or from social media and word of mouth essentially. The site has done fairly okay for minimal effort it gets updated once a day, requires little to no maintenance and reports an okay amount of traffic.

        More importantantly DanielleFaith.ME led to its sister site MySecretStash.ME which makes a pretty penny on Fiverr. Its nothing exciting, but an extra $500 monthly from a site that isn't ranking in Google and has nothing on it but has clever adverts and endorsements is pretty good IMHO. Not to mention the organic traffic is decent and I never once spent time doing any off page SEO for it.

        DanielleFaith.me and MySecretStash.me were created as a way for me to express myself. They originally had no purpose on the web except to be like a diary of sorts for me. They turned into something other than that, so if you are going to critique my methods used with them please keep this information in mind.

        Now, my latest project is going to be based on a leadership, beauty, and empowerment website. Its method for gathering traffic is going to be very SEO based vs. social media based. You see, if I can get traffic from Google and Social Media in an effective manner that is rinse and repeatable - there is no reason I cannot duplicate my efforts and pocketbook.

        Of course, this takes times; energy, effort and sometimes money up front. I also believe it would be very immature/shortsighted/a huge mistake if I cut out one of the major sources for traffic, which is, GOOGLE! The same would be if I entirely depended on Google.

        I'm thinking my private blog network would be more like a collection of mini-sites in the niche that could easily go from mini-site to authority site if I ever choose to change the purpose of a supporting site. Using these mini-niche private blog network sites aren't the only way I'll be driving traffic to my money site but it is the first way I will be and the method I am currently working on mastering.

        Besides, having these secondary sites could be good if I ever wanted to conduct an experiment in the niche but not wanted to risk things with my money site.

        The only reason I want PR - ready sites is because eventually I'll probably end up flipping them for profit and people are more apt to buy a well done mini-site that has the potential to become an authority if its PR is high. I don't know, there is still an audience that believes in the importance of Page Rank for SEO.

        Also my rule is no RUBBISH! All articles no matter what the site is, needs to be of a decent length, unique, relevant and well written.

        Does that make my intent more clear? Does it help you see that this is the next series in a set of experiments I've been conducting since March 2012?

        I obviously don't want to lose the Page Rank because, it would interferre with the outcome and I want to see what happens in three different scenarios maintain the PR, increase PR, drop PR. Hence my original question about the number of articles.

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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by FreeMeal View Post

          A few people in this thread have suggested that putting regular content on a PBN site will help keep it's PR, but I just can't understand how that's true. It's got nothing to do with how page rank is built as far as I know. Unless i'm missing something here?
          You're not. Some others are, though.

          Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

          there is still an audience that believes in the importance of Page Rank for SEO.
          It's a rapidly dwindling audience, if there is. Anyone analyzing SERP's can see for themselves that it's less and less relevant all the time.

          In any case, when it comes to selling a site, about 90% of the factors producing its market value, realistically, depend on its verifiable income. If you've ever sold a site before, you know this? Anything else (and there are, admittedly, many other small factors), by comparison, is "fluff".

          Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

          Hence my original question about the number of articles.
          What you asked about in the OP simply isn't a primary determinant of page rank.

          Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

          Now, my latest project is going to be based on a leadership, beauty, and empowerment website.
          Wow, ambitious - three big markets instead of one niche? I wish you nothing but good luck with it.

          Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

          Its method for gathering traffic is going to be very SEO based
          With apologies for sounding disparaging, you're going to need all the luck you can get. For myself, SEO would honestly be my very last approach to traffic-generation for such a site (and I'm saying that at someone who doesn't use social media at all). And if you're intending to publish high-quality articles, I can tell you from my own experiences over many years in multiple niches that they're likely to be wasted on SEO traffic. Please excuse the observation that it seems a shame to me, if you're able to produce high quality articles (and I don't doubt that you are) not to use them, rather than SEO, to attract your traffic. That's where the money is. (But publishing content just on your own site isn't, in itself, a traffic-generation plan, of course). There's some very good advice, above (as well as - inevitably - a couple of items of nonsense, as well). Maybe another read-through will help you?
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          • Profile picture of the author play2win727
            To answer your question the number of articles mean nothing as far a PR is concerned.

            What gives a site page rank is the links pointing to the page. What you need to get is a plugin that will redirect all the former posts to the home page so the sites linking to yours don't get any error messages and remove the links.

            PBN links need to be part of an overall link strategy, mixed in with some social media, article and web 2.0 links. When I am building these site I like to put 4 or 5 articles on them with no outbound links at all and let the site sit for a week or two then add the article pointing to your money site. I use about 100 words of content and add in a couple of youtube videos.

            This has helped me to get several first page rankings.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            You're not. Some others are, though.



            It's a rapidly dwindling audience, if there is. Anyone analyzing SERP's can see for themselves that it's less and less relevant all the time.

            In any case, when it comes to selling a site, about 90% of the factors producing its market value, realistically, depend on its verifiable income. If you've ever sold a site before, you know this? Anything else (and there are, admittedly, many other small factors), by comparison, is "fluff".



            What you asked about in the OP simply isn't a primary determinant of page rank.
            Yah - of course it isn't the single determinant of page rank but I was wondering how much weight it does hold.

            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            Wow, ambitious - three big markets instead of one niche? I wish you nothing but good luck with it.
            You are obviously misunderstanding me. Its all under the same niche basically leadership and empowerment through understanding your physical vs. innner beauty. Or rather a self-worth/motivational site. Its not three huge niches its one broad niche to build an authority site on.



            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

            With apologies for sounding disparaging, you're going to need all the luck you can get. For myself, SEO would honestly be my very last approach to traffic-generation for such a site (and I'm saying that at someone who doesn't use social media at all). And if you're intending to publish high-quality articles, I can tell you from my own experiences over many years in multiple niches that they're likely to be wasted on SEO traffic. Please excuse the observation that it seems a shame to me, if you're able to produce high quality articles (and I don't doubt that you are) not to use them, rather than SEO, to attract your traffic. That's where the money is. (But publishing content just on your own site isn't, in itself, a traffic-generation plan, of course). There's some very good advice, above (as well as - inevitably - a couple of items of nonsense, as well). Maybe another read-through will help you?
            You say all this - like I'm inevitably going to fail - and yet you offer no alternatives or other ways of doing it except a basic, "Don't do it the way you're thinking of doing it?" how the heck is that useful to anybody?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

              You say all this - like I'm inevitably going to fail - and yet you offer no alternatives or other ways of doing it except a basic, "Don't do it the way you're thinking of doing it?" how the heck is that useful to anybody?
              Let me guess

              This thread was created first in the main market section and moved to the SEO section. It has all the classic signs since the same people who don't know a lick of SEO are posting away like they are experts but have no clue. I'll see if I can help Jaysmyne but theres already so much stuff to wade through I might miss some.
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              • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Let me guess

                This thread was created first in the main market section and moved to the SEO section. It has all the classic signs since the same people who don't know a lick of SEO are posting away like they are experts but have no clue. I'll see if I can help Jaysmyne but theres already so much stuff to wade through I might miss some.
                I would also like to hear your stuff as I heard your the man! I'm doing the exact same as Jaysmyne.

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              • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Let me guess

                This thread was created first in the main market section and moved to the SEO section. It has all the classic signs since the same people who don't know a lick of SEO are posting away like they are experts but have no clue. I'll see if I can help Jaysmyne but theres already so much stuff to wade through I might miss some.
                Hahaha pretty much. I guess it was my fault for posting in the main forum but I figured that was a general knowledge area and my question was a general knowledge question but I guess it is rooted in SEO fundamentals so it'll be interesting to see what people with true SEO knowledge has to say and offer.
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      • Profile picture of the author run
        Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

        I disagree. PageRank is based on incoming links to a page. Adding or not adding additional pages to a website is irrelevant to the PageRank of existing pages.

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        By the way, link building from expired domains for SEO purposes is an excellent strategy IMHO. I'd ignore the naysayers who say abandon the plan and avoid SEO. They don't even know what your website is.

        While it is obviously true having a multitude of traffic sources if better than one, for many sites it would be absurdly foolish to not go after the largest traffic source available - Google.

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        Can not agree more than this.

        People who use only one traffic source is stupid. Yet, the stupidest thing is to leave a well targeted & quality flow of SE traffic aside, I swear.

        If you want to fight in SERP with the giant/huge competitors, it's not worth the time, money and effort.

        PBN is very effective in SERP, especially, when the diversification are upright. But, one must do it carefully; otherwise, it'll be a waste.

        There's no relationship with how many posts that would take care of the PR. It's the matter of incoming links which are having higher PRs.

        As an IMer, the whole game does not only having Google but also other traffic generation methods out there, so it wise to see if your sites are most comfortable with which methods.
        For instance, 3 of my small niche sites are easy and based entirely on search engine traffic to generate some bucks daily. Yet, it's not working with social & other traffic at all.
        In contrast, one of my authority site is really working so good with general traffic methods beside SEO; therefore, I'd not let my hand dirty with Google anymore for this site.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Dude, you just made too much sense.
          He makes no sense whatsoever. Google authorship has not been rolled out fully yet and Google plus is way behind Facebook and twitter. The idea that social is going to get you more targeted business is just rank silliness. Social networks are primarily for SOCIALIZATION and there is nothing particularly targeted about it. You want it to be that way because of some academy you are trying to get off the ground.

          Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

          From personal experience, the garbage that is put on these blog networks isn't worth the hassle, let alone the time or money you spend getting the content together.

          And, if you were going to create quality content, why wouldn't you post it directly on your "Money Site"?
          Because people can walk and chew gum at the same time?

          If you are building your Page Rank in hopes of Higher Traffic and More Sales, you haven't been researching in the right places. Page Rank isn't very important, and those people that say otherwise are either a) Foolish, b) Failing, or c) Spreading False Information.
          :rolleyes::rolleyes: Don't you just love when people make these strong dogmatic statements of fact that are in themselves great balls of false information. The Op is not building pagerank. She is looking to get high authority links pointing at her websites. The claim that pagerank does not matter is blithering ignorance itself. It completely misses that though money page PR is not an issue the PR of the pages LINKING TO your site is STILL an indicator of the authority of that link.

          If people would stop and think for a second instead of parroting nonsense they might ask themselves why google considers getting links on High Pr pages an attempt to manipulate their search results.

          You make no sense. They say that precisely because PAGERANK MUST THEREFORE MATTER on some level because they admit it has an effect on their search results . If pagerank links had no effect then how would they manipulate search results??? THINK!!!!!


          What if you set up your "Money Site" and publish all your content there. This shows your visitors that you know your stuff, building Trust and Authority.
          Content alone does not determine authority. Thats a myth

          Then you advertise on Social Networks, Forums, Classifieds, or where ever else your Potential Clients can be found. This tells actual PEOPLE about your website, and how it can help them.
          and with a link they do both? SO why ignore SEO. Again simply do both. :rolleyes:

          In the first setup, you spent loads of time and money setting up multiple websites. But you haven't advertised any of them. How do you expect to get visitors if you aren't telling people about your website? Sure, you might get a slow trickle of visitors from a couple 'keywords' from Google Searches. Do you really think this is going to replace all the funds you spent... That's naive.
          No you are totally clueless on the issue is all. When people buy aged domains they buy them with existing links and many of the linking sites DO HAVE TRAFFIC AS WELL. Further its nonsense to claim you have not advertised your site by getting keyword target traffic from greater exposure in Google.

          So please tell me... Which do you think is going to help more people, and at the same time, earn you more money?
          The first one that concentrated on getting traffic from a top 3 site in Google (and bonus traffic from top sites like Bing and Yahoo etc) not getting random people on your small nobody knows you social page and forums. No? Then why don't I see everyone using social without SEO kicking the pants off the hundreds in this forum using SEO???
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  • Profile picture of the author innozemec
    yeah, there's no set number of posts you should publish. Initially publish couple and then from time to time publish new one to keep G happy you are updating the website
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    • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
      Would once a week suffice? or should I look to make sure these blogs are updated twice a week?

      If I could get a away with twice a month that would be ideal but I don't think that would work?

      Perhaps post and initial 10 and then schedule one new post a week?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

    I've been doing a lot of research and decided the best way to raise my Page Rank for my money site (and potentially search rankings) ...
    The "and potentially search rankings" part of the reasoning is getting less and less valid all the time, Danielle. Page ranks have very little to do with SERP's rankings, these days. We can all see this for ourselves from the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages are outranking higher-PR pages in Google's SERP's. Many people believe that Google will stop publishing page ranks soon, anyway (and they have themselves openly referred to doing so as "a long-term objective"): http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ar-2013-a.html

    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

    ... would be to create a relevant blog network.
    You're not concerned about Google's determination to identify and de-index private blog networks set up for attempted SEO purposes? I would be. It happened to "Build My Rank" and so many others - I'd expect it to happen to me. They can hardly be clearer about their determination to penalize the sites of people who try to manipulate their ranking algorithms. But isn't that exactly what you're attempting to do, here?

    http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ml#post6021235

    Is SEO traffic really so worthwhile to your business? I must say it isn't at all, to mine. Personally, I'd advise you not to put too much of your time and effort into trying to attract "organic SERP's" traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried in 8 entirely different niches over the whole of the last 4 years - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (just because of all the high rankings I've got, incidentally, from article syndication to relevant sites) but I'd certainly hate to have to make a living from that traffic! Google rankings are not really much of a "traffic-generating plan" at all. For me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      You're not concerned about Google's determination to identify and de-index private blog networks set up for attempted SEO purposes? I would be. It happened to "Build My Rank" and so many others - I'd expect it to happen to me.
      I would too if I rented out my blog to anyone on WF with $67 . BMR was a PUBLICLY rented out network. I have a few hundred blog network owners I keep in touch with and I have heard of four sites getting deindexed out of thousands of sites.


      They can hardly be clearer about their determination to penalize the sites of people who try to manipulate their ranking algorithms. But isn't that exactly what you're attempting to do, here?
      Google has not done away with bought link despite their determination and the only way they will get rid of all networks is if they are determined to penalize all sites with links :rolleyes: . Meanwhile I will wait for these sites to be deindexed

      The Walt Disney Company
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      and a pile of sites in this serp

      https://www.google.com/search?client...hannel=suggest

      Since they all link to sites that are sister/partner companies and websites.

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      it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost
      Nonsense it does no such thing. What makes site Google dependent is having crappy sites not using SEO. I'm tired of the distortion on this issue. Google is just an advertising medium. If any business goes down because it skipped advertising for a few month after several years of good returns the BUSINESS sucks not the advertising medium. Any good business would get return visits and utilize its existing business customers. Every month people who are new and are looking for a particular item or bit of information are DWARFED by all the people before who were looking for it but no longer because they know where to go direct for that information again. WF has ton loads more people using it that used to search than are now searching the search engines for it.

      secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever
      Then you suck at it because Search engine traffic is one of the best targeted means of traffic allowing you to pinpoint traffic according to what it specifically is looking for it. Article marketing which you love to trumpet over SEO SUCKS in that department

      I'd certainly hate to have to make a living from that traffic! Google rankings are not really much of a "traffic-generating plan" at all. For me.
      It is for others that get ton loads of traffic and know how to convert that traffic into semi permanent return traffic. Your inability to make it work for you long term even giving you complete independence hardly makes it a bad model.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    The time, energy, money and effort you spend building out these blog networks could be better spent building out ONE good solid main authority site.

    Don't do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
      Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

      The time, energy, money and effort you spend building out these blog networks could be better spent building out ONE good solid main authority site.

      Don't do it.
      Then if the authority website tanks and everything is lost?

      I believe smaller sites containing at least 30-50 articles are a good idea, using a private blog network to get the low competition keywords ranked up fast and easy are a great idea.

      My friend does this exactly and earns a lot!

      I guess it depends on the risks your willing to take.
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        Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

        Then if the authority website tanks and everything is lost?
        That tends to happen only to people who depend, directly or indirectly, on Google for their incomes.

        Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

        I guess it depends on the risks your willing to take.
        It does indeed.

        And as can be seen by spending some time reading through the SEO forum here (or elsewhere), it seems that almost invariably the big losers are the people who were willing to risk depending on SEO traffic. In the long run, for huge numbers of people, it just doesn't pay. Call me risk-averse if you really want to, but I have a mortgage and bills to pay every month, and I can't afford to depend on search engine traffic. You're never really in control, that way. I know there are always people whose friends' cousins and cousins' friends allegedly make money that way, but to many of us, it makes no real sense at all. I'm building up a long-term, financially sound business, here, and in my opinion Danielle would be well advised to try do the same, rather than this nonsense designed temporarily to manipulate Google's algorithms, for the sake of a bit of SEO traffic, which is typically about the worst-quality traffic you can ever attract anyway.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
        Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

        Then if the authority website tanks and everything is lost?
        Only if you're stupid enough to be single source dependent.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
          Originally Posted by John Romaine View Post

          Only if you're stupid enough to be single source dependent.
          Very true.

          Multiple authority sites would be a good one then, however a private network can always contribute to the ranking.

          I think its all down to what works for the individual.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
            Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

            Multiple authority sites would be a good one then.
            No.

            You're missing the point.

            You drive traffic to your site from a multitude of sources - not just Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    If this plan is for the site in your sig than it's pretty stupid to outline a blackhat strategy for the whole world to see.

    Sounds like you need a whole lot more 'research' before starting.
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  • Profile picture of the author johndetlefs
    IMHO, if getting Google traffic is a main objective of yours then you'll be a lot better off focusing on Google Author and Google Plus.

    Get yourself a following on Google Plus and start interacting with that following and you'll be doing exactly what Google would like you to do, and you'll get arguably better traffic as well as they'll have shown a couple of social signals saying they like your stuff.

    I can't see the win in following a strategy that Google has clearly stated they want to wipe out. It might be cool for a high risk short term money grab, although that's debatable, but if you're trying to build a long term stable business I think you should seriously look at your strategy again.
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by johndetlefs View Post

      IMHO, if getting Google traffic is a main objective of yours then you'll be a lot better off focusing on Google Author and Google Plus.

      Get yourself a following on Google Plus and start interacting with that following and you'll be doing exactly what Google would like you to do, and you'll get arguably better traffic as well as they'll have shown a couple of social signals saying they like your stuff.

      I can't see the win in following a strategy that Google has clearly stated they want to wipe out. It might be cool for a high risk short term money grab, although that's debatable, but if you're trying to build a long term stable business I think you should seriously look at your strategy again.
      Dude, you just made too much sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author mondays
    keep expanding your network, make sure you have multiple hosting plans (SEO), post arround 2-3k words on index page, keep building links to the domain (use branding).

    It works like a charm, use contextual direct linking to your money site, make sure all your money sites are also in SEO hosting with unique IPs.

    And most important do not interlink your network or your money sites.

    Above all don't do what google wants you to do!!!!!!!
    Whoever follows that path is doom to fail, sooner or later.
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
      Couple things here, I agree that you shouldnt depend on Google alone for your traffic but to say that a properly structured and managed PBN is not a good idea or that they dont work, is wrong...especially if you dont have any personal experience.

      I own a few PBN's and they are extremely effective in helping to achieve high SERP rankings in Google and other major search engines. As for Google, none of my PBN's or related moneysites have been affected by their algo changes and these networks have been active for some time.

      Build My Rank was not a true private blog network which is why it was easily detectable. A true PBN is for YOUR use only.


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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by Joe Russell View Post

        Couple things here, I agree that you shouldnt depend on Google alone for your traffic but to say that a properly structured and managed PBN is not a good idea or that they dont work, is wrong...especially if you dont have any personal experience.

        I own a few PBN's and they are extremely effective in helping to achieve high SERP rankings in Google and other major search engines. As for Google, none of my PBN's or related moneysites have been affected by their algo changes and these networks have been active for some time.

        Build My Rank was not a true private blog network which is why it was easily detectable. A true PBN is for YOUR use only.


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        Hey Joe - add the words 'for now' to your post, okay? So far you haven't been wacked by Google. That's because you're too much of a small fry and aren't on their radar. But Google slaps for PBNs are happening every single day and this has been going on for months.

        Link penalties are real and they're a case of 'game over.' There are much better strategies out there that work and drive real targeted buyers to sites. Your day will come - same as it has for everyone else. Linking to your main site from a self created network of dropped domains is as artificial as it gets. It's a high-risk, potentially potentially low reward practice that is dangerous.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe Russell
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Hey Joe - add the words 'for now' to your post, okay? So far you haven't been wacked by Google. That's because you're too much of a small fry and aren't on their radar. But Google slaps for PBNs are happening every single day and this has been going on for months.

          Link penalties are real and they're a case of 'game over.' There are much better strategies out there that work and drive real targeted buyers to sites. Your day will come - same as it has for everyone else. Linking to your main site from a self created network of dropped domains is as artificial as it gets. It's a high-risk, potentially potentially low reward practice that is dangerous.

          Yes in Googles eyes my money sites may be "small fry" and I also imagine individual sites that are a part of my PBN's would also be considered "small fry".

          I dont use PBN's to sell or otherwise offer links, these are for my own personal use and I am quite confident that they will remain undetectable by Google as being a PBN.

          Earned income as a direct result from using PBN's has maintained steady at five figures monthly for a couple years and this is ONLY from my money sites that are associated with my PBN's. Simply put PBN's work and will continue to be effective if done right.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by run View Post

          Can not agree more than this.

          People who use only one traffic source is stupid. Yet, the stupidest thing is to leave a well targeted & quality flow of SE traffic aside, I swear.
          Yep makes ZERO sense. Imagine claiming you did not want to work to get exposure on CNN, ABC NEWS and other networks (representing Google, Bing, Yahoo and other search engines) all because you might get dependent on them and at some future date not be able to advertise with them?

          Even a silly business owner would say "well thats not a good reason to skip trying to get that exposure for as long as I can.

          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Link penalties are real and they're a case of 'game over.' There are much better strategies out there that work and drive real targeted buyers to sites. Your day will come - same as it has for everyone else. Linking to your main site from a self created network of dropped domains is as artificial as it gets. It's a high-risk, potentially potentially low reward practice that is dangerous.
          What? three years and counting? low reward practice? lol making tens of thousands of dollars per year off of one technique? Pure silliness. You are just trying to scare people so that they will come running to your social only theory and "academy".

          I have access to hundreds of people who have built and are building networks. All your claims are being pulled out of your imagination- not reality - where I can report based on facts that precious few private "networks" get deindexed. Too bad for your proposals that the more money they make, the more they can invest in building the sites precisely in ways that google will never deindex many of them.

          Shucks every site on the Internet that sells links is a kind of network and the only way to ever stop it is for search engines to stop relying on links - which is not going to happen for many years.
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          • Profile picture of the author run
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Yep makes ZERO sense. Imagine claiming you did not want to work to get exposure on CNN, ABC NEWS and other networks (representing Google, Bing, Yahoo and other search engines) all because you might get dependent on them and at some future date not be able to advertise with them?

            Even a silly business owner would say "well thats not a good reason to skip trying to get that exposure for as long as I can.
            At least you missed my whole post idea and quoted a small part of my idea which was not a complete sense in my whole opinion.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by run View Post

              At least you missed my whole post idea and quoted a small part of my idea which was not a complete sense in my whole opinion.
              ??????

              Run I was agreeing with you. Thats why I said "Yep". You wanted me to disagree with you?
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              • Profile picture of the author run
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                ??????

                Run I was agreeing with you. Thats why I said "Yep". You wanted me to disagree with you?
                Ah! I've always misunderstood about the meaning of the the exact sentences. Sorry Mike, My BADass miscommunication!

                I'm currently taking some time to study English more coz I've never learned it & English is not my 4th language though.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Hey Joe - add the words 'for now' to your post, okay? So far you haven't been wacked by Google. That's because you're too much of a small fry and aren't on their radar. But Google slaps for PBNs are happening every single day and this has been going on for months.

          Link penalties are real and they're a case of 'game over.' There are much better strategies out there that work and drive real targeted buyers to sites. Your day will come - same as it has for everyone else. Linking to your main site from a self created network of dropped domains is as artificial as it gets. It's a high-risk, potentially potentially low reward practice that is dangerous.
          Did you just call Joe Russell (Owner of Senuke/Sitebildz/ATC Enterprises) a "Small Fry"?

          Too funny. LMAO
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  • Profile picture of the author FreeMeal
    A few people in this thread have suggested that putting regular content on a PBN site will help keep it's PR, but I just can't understand how that's true. It's got nothing to do with how page rank is built as far as I know. Unless i'm missing something here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

    So, I've been doing a lot of research and decided the best way to raise my Page Rank for my money site (and potentially search rankings) would be to create a relevant blog network.
    No matter that nonsense you are reading here its a perfectly legit strategy. Forget people opinions and check the search results (where the real SEO proof is found) and you will see it as a strategy particularly in insurance, job sites and travel.

    My question is how many unique posts should be on these non-money sites? around 5? 10? 20? 50? I was thinking 10 should be sufficient but am unsure? Any help and/or thoughts are warmly welcomed!
    If they are

    All niche related? Then as many as to look natural covering that niche. As a matter of fact you might consider making them real sites. A shocking proposal to those crying you down. Don't go off a number but if you must I think ten is a good start

    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

    Would once a week suffice? or should I look to make sure these blogs are updated twice a week?
    Many sites are static so posts per week do not matter UNLESS you want the links to be crawled very fast in which case then you will want to update at least once a week. Thats for the simple reason that Google crawls sites less often that do not change. Personally I don't really care too much as they do end up getting recrawled just not as fast.

    Now onto the misinformation


    Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

    Page ranks have very little to do with SERP's rankings, these days. We can all see this for ourselves from the ever-increasing regularity with which lower-PR pages are outranking higher-PR pages in Google's SERP's.
    This has been explained to you over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again but you either still do not get it or do not want to get it. The PR of the page being ranked HAS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING BECAUSE the links coming in may not have to do with the anchor text relevancy of the keyword NOT because the PR of the link sources do not matter.

    So a site that is a PR5 with links coming in for "dog training" will not help it to rank in a search result for "white shoes". Thats should be freaking obvious. But if the search result is dog training -YES _ anyone that knows a lick of SEO knows that the PR5 link with relevant anchor text WILL matter.

    All you are seeing in the serps is relevancy mattering NOT PR not mattering

    SO OF COURSE you will see sites with lower PR outranking other sites because the relevancy of the incoming links are different. NO matter hwo many times you repeat it it does NOT prove that PR does not matter

    Many people believe that Google will stop publishing page ranks soon, anyway (and they have themselves openly referred to doing so as "a long-term objective"): http://www.warriorforum.com/off-topi...ar-2013-a.html
    Alexa there is a WHALE of a difference between toolbar Pr and Real PR not mattering anymore. There are already other metrics that give a good indicator of Authority not owned by Google - MOz and Magestic SEO and there will be more. Those ratings will still matter because Google for the foreseable future is still going to be about links and the authority of the link source

    to be continued.....
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    • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      No matter that nonsense you are reading here its a perfectly legit strategy. Forget people opinions and check the search results (where the real SEO proof is found) and you will see it as a strategy particularly in insurance, job sites and travel.

      If they are

      All niche related? Then as many as to look natural covering that niche. As a matter of fact you might consider making them real sites. A shocking proposal to those crying you down. Don't go off a number but if you must I think ten is a good start
      First and foremost, thank you - I knew the strategy was valid, and in the back of my mind I was thinking if the relevant niche mini-sites did well - they could become their own sites within themselves. I just needed a starting place/number so 10 sounds good.

      I'll put 10 articles on each site right away and then drip feed one new article a month for the next year onto it. Just to keep it "fresh, updated and relevant."

      Then of course if as these sites are updating I notice an increase in traffic or performance - I can invest more energy into that particular site and make it its own entity or money site within itself.

      So, my plan is coming together :-) And I'm quite excited about it - its not an overnight thing but at least the ball is rolling and there is a strategy in place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

        First and foremost, thank you - I knew the strategy was valid, and in the back of my mind I was thinking if the relevant niche mini-sites did well
        Valid? I wouldn't want to out the sites but there are some legal blog networks out there that bring lawyers some serious leads and cash. The sites in the network are killer real solid content networks that look and ARE solid sites in their own right - mind you NOT ten dollar articles. People here have no idea of how premium these network sites can get. I only was able to specify the networks because a lawyer aware of them pointed thwm out to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    I have my own network and use one sticky unique home page and drip feed content every few days with AB. I also add adsense to the sites and with most of them this covers the hosting and domain costs.

    I have found the best way to set up such a network is use Geo-targetting within the network. This way they will "seem" like a local site and will gain rank and pr a lot quicker.

    You have the option of course to pay people a few hundred dollars a month for such a service. But I prefer to build my own portfolio. This way I have control and if I want can switch the sites to other projects at any time.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    What a fail thread is this when you read the first 15-20 posts or so, glad Mike jumped in as I really don't feel like discussing with a whole bunch of noobs that know nothing about what's needed to make a site rank and benefit from the largest free traffic provider in the world.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      What a fail thread is this when you read the first 15-20 posts or so, glad Mike jumped in as I really don't feel like discussing with a whole bunch of noobs that know nothing about what's needed to make a site rank and benefit from the largest free traffic provider in the world.
      Most of the time I skip getting into it too deep with The crew from the main board but they were laying on the garbage especially thick this time. If I had a vote I'd delete most SEO threads coming from there because they are 9 times out of ten complete train wrecks by the time they get here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        I was going to create WF largest multiquote post and file it under retard. .

        But then I thought nah, The misinformation mills are helping me rank, time and time again. Keep them running scared big G. The more you confuse these fools, the more I'm getting paid.
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          Now that's Funny as F***!

          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          I was going to create WF largest multiquote post and file it under retard. .

          But then I thought nah, The misinformation mills are helping me rank, time and time again. Keep them running scared big G. The more you confuse these fools, the more I'm getting paid.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Most of the time I skip getting into it too deep with The crew from the main board but they were laying on the garbage especially thick this time. If I had a vote I'd delete most SEO threads coming from there because they are a 9 times out of ten complete train wrecks by the time they get here.
        The only part that I can kind of agree with is that most IM'ers fail terribly with Google. For many it's not as easy as it used to be and 95% of the IM'ers are seeking short cuts and always will.

        From that point of view they would fail just as hard with getting traffic from other sources as that would require a lot of hard work and dedication while most people think that it's easy to get rich online.

        Those people can better just give up and not get involved with internet marketing at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          The only part that I can kind of agree with is that most IM'ers fail terribly with Google. For many it's not as easy as it used to be and 95% of the IM'ers are seeking short cuts and always will.
          Well if the site is an MFA then theres the problem but then how well is an MFA going to do with social? So in the end its that the business itself sucks not how it is advertised.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Well if the site is an MFA then theres the problem but then how well is an MFA going to do with social? So in the end its that the business itself sucks not how it is advertised.
            Umm there are no short cuts in Internet Marketing - well there are - but they WILL catch up with you! I feel like that was important to repeat.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Well if the site is an MFA then theres the problem but then how well is an MFA going to do with social? So in the end its that the business itself sucks not how it is advertised.
            Exactly, no one is going to link naturally to some crappy site, not even cause of bad neighbourhood but simply cause there is no intention to do so whatsoever.

            Google traffic would even win in such case when using a churn & burn approach
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  • Profile picture of the author webrankingservices2000
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    One post a day keeps the poor ranking away.
    There is no number but you should regularly do the posting, I mean at least 10 in a week
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    No problem my man. I guess the problem is yep is more slang for yes than a real word.
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  • 10 should be enough. The key if you want to retain the page rank is to try and use similar content as the site previously did. That way you can retain good backlinks. Its not something you have to do but I recommend it.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Someone should write 'PBN for Dummies'

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  • Profile picture of the author Lokahi
    Originally Posted by Jaysmyne View Post

    Hey!

    So, I've been doing a lot of research and decided the best way to raise my Page Rank for my money site (and potentially search rankings) would be to create a relevant blog network.

    I went ahead and bought 2 expired domain names for this month with a page rank of 3 and 4. (legit). I'm hosting them on separate C-class IP addresses and have the domain registrar information private. I uploaded a 'unique' design to them and added 1 intro post to each and 1 unique post to each.

    My question is how many unique posts should be on these non-money sites? around 5? 10? 20? 50? I was thinking 10 should be sufficient but am unsure? Any help and/or thoughts are warmly welcomed!

    xxx.
    If Google suspects these blogs are all part of a blog network that points back to ONE site for the purpose of ranking that site up, it will slap you with a penalty. These blogs you are putting up need to look legitimate with real content (as much as any blog would, maybe dozens of posts) if they are to look real and be any good for backlinking.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    I manage a blog network of over 100pr domains (Purchased them all to rank content in gambling industry).

    I use Rankwyz to auto post to them. I post spun content to each of the sites that reads well to humans. You could use this or some kind of auto poster tool.

    I then basically link to whatever i want from my private network and it gets me a first page ranking for most terms apart from super competitive ones.

    Basically, just update it with new stuff you want to rank. If your going to do the automated route though, you need to know what your doing and do it well, also know how to make it "appear natural" in every single way.

    My blog posts have videos, youtube videos in, anchor text as sentances, partial match, exact match, brand links, url links.. pretty much everything under the sun. This is the way to go if you are going to do that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post


      My blog posts have videos, youtube videos in, anchor text as sentances, partial match, exact match, brand links, url links.. pretty much everything under the sun. This is the way to go if you are going to do that.

      I never got into the whole youtube video in every post. With all the tools doing it and pulling up videos unrelated it could end up being the next footprint for google to detect.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
      Originally Posted by Make Money Ninja View Post

      I manage a blog network of over 100pr domains (Purchased them all to rank content in gambling industry).

      I use Rankwyz to auto post to them. I post spun content to each of the sites that reads well to humans. You could use this or some kind of auto poster tool.

      I then basically link to whatever i want from my private network and it gets me a first page ranking for most terms apart from super competitive ones.

      Basically, just update it with new stuff you want to rank. If your going to do the automated route though, you need to know what your doing and do it well, also know how to make it "appear natural" in every single way.

      My blog posts have videos, youtube videos in, anchor text as sentances, partial match, exact match, brand links, url links.. pretty much everything under the sun. This is the way to go if you are going to do that.
      You don't use adsense on those sites, correct?

      Do you manually spin?

      Are all 100 of your sites about "sprockets"? or do you have 10 "sprocket" sites, 10 "do-dad" sites, etc?

      At most, how many PBN sites will you point to one money site or client site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
    I now have a small PBN of PR4-5 domains. How best do I link them to my main money site?

    One link from the home page only?

    Site wide blog roll?

    Site wide footer?

    I was thinking of using something similar to the following:

    Website Design by TechMoneySite1.com
    Web Hosting with TechMoneySite2.com

    Site's I Contribute to: TechMoneySite1.com, TechMoneySite2.com

    Any thoughts?
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