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Banned 11 years ago

No, I've never had one. But I don't let other people post anything on my sites, anyway. (I have "comments" disabled, and so on).

I do sympathise a lot with people whose competitors may have spammed links to their sites to try to incur them a heavy SEO penalty, now that Google has made that so easy for people to do. The whole thing's most regrettable (albeit kind of understandable, too). I wouldn't blame them for asking, especially if I had a site to which "automated" links could be submitted by this tiresome black hat link-spamming software which some people are still so keen on. :rolleyes: :p

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tpw

11 years ago

Yes, I get them too.

And, I agree with your approach in dealing with them.

p.s. Alexa. Most of the people asking are marketing directors for companies that paid me to give them the links originally.

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

p.s. Alexa. Most of the people asking are marketing directors for companies that paid me to give them the links originally.

Yes - that's a bit different, I can see.
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tpw

11 years ago

I generally just do the take-down, unless someone accuses me of spamming their site without permission or stealing their content. Both have happened, despite the fact that I had proof of a job order.

In those cases, I always charge for link take-downs.

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rosetrees

11 years ago

Interesting thread. I still get people asking to pay for ads or links on my sites. I can't think of any reason why anyone would WANT to remove a link from any of my sites. None of them could remotely be considered spam sites. (imho, obviously

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by rosetrees

Interesting thread. I still get people asking to pay for ads or links on my sites. I can't think of any reason why anyone would WANT to remove a link from any of my sites. None of them could remotely be considered spam sites. (imho, obviously

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The one I got this morning read this way:

Good Day!

This is Silly Marketing Director of PenalizedWebsite.com. Our website was recently penalized by Google and we are doing link cleansing to recover from it.

We have conducted a site audit and we have identified that you are linking to us. Please note that linking to us may negatively affect the authority of your website. May I ask if you could remove our site from the following URLs:

~snip~

There’s a possibility that your site might be penalized because of these links. Please remove them as soon as possible.

We do hope that you will grant our request. Thank you!

Best regards,
Silly Marketing Director

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rosetrees 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

The one I got this morning read this way:

Interesting. I've always been picky about links. I always email back and say I only accept relevant links. Other people's interpretation of relevant is rarely the same as mine. When it is, I accept the links. Paid or not.
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Marketing Fool

11 years ago

Ha, interesting response (sending them your paypal address). Anyone take you up on it yet?

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tpw 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Marketing Fool

Ha, interesting response (sending them your paypal address). Anyone take you up on it yet?

I used to offer an article syndication service.

Someone contacted me one time wanting me to take down all copies of the article where it has been syndicated.

I told them I could not promise to get all of them, but I could get a lot of them. I also told them it would cost $100 an hour for my time.

They paid it.
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Marketing Fool

11 years ago

Wow! Think I might try that next time someone contacts me.

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Lance K

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hometutor

Anyone else getting a bunch of these. I finally started emailing these people back and telling them link removal requests are $20.00 per link for the maintenance request and gave them my Paypal email address.

Rick

So this is someone who initially paid you to build links for them? Or is it just a site that you linked to on your own for some other reason?

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

So this is someone who initially paid you to build links for them? Or is it just a site that you linked to on your own for some other reason?

In my case, someone paid me to build links for them.

I hear that it is happening to a lot of article directory owners as well.

It even happened to me on an information website for auto insurance, where I wasn't paid to build links. I had linked to the Big 8 auto insurance companies, because it improved my user experience. I was contacted by one of the Big 8 auto insurance companies (one whose commercials appear on TV daily) to take down the link to their main website. LOL

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Lance K

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

It even happened to me on an information website for auto insurance, where I wasn't paid to build links. I had linked to the Big 8 auto insurance companies, because it improved my user experience. I was contacted by one of the Big 8 auto insurance companies (one whose commercials appear on TV daily) to take down the link to their main website. LOL

You must have been outranking them for some profitable keywords.

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tpw 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

You must have been outranking them for some profitable keywords.

They actually said that they had been penalized in Google, and they were trying to fix their link portfolio.

My site, they said, was a low-value site and they wanted me to remove the link to their site.

I won't try to argue that idea, because the site was set up to give information about auto insurance customers in a single state.
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Lance K

11 years ago

What if Google had a function in webmaster tools that alerts you every time their spider finds a new incoming link and gives you the option to say yes or no as to whether it's included when evaluating your site. Default could be set either way. If you don't respond to a notification of a new link within 24 hours or whatever, Google automatically uses the default setting. Wouldn't that help negate the effect of competitors spamming your site with low quality incoming links?

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Lance K

What if Google had a function in webmaster tools that alerts you every time their spider finds a new incoming link and gives you the option to say yes or no as to whether it's included when evaluating your site. Default could be set either way. If you don't respond to a notification of a new link within 24 hours or whatever, Google automatically uses the default setting. Wouldn't that help negate the effect of competitors spamming your site with low quality incoming links?

My understanding is that Google Webmaster Tools already has something similar.

Although I don't dig into Webmaster Tools often, I think you can tell them to "ignore" certain links.

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giawalker

Banned 11 years ago

I must be aware of someone will request me to get paid by their links or ads place on my website. I'm afraid to be penalize by Google. Thanks guys!

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GGpaul

11 years ago

I'm a link builder for a clothing company and lately I've been going through our links. If I find anything that's questionable (porn/malware/spammy/crappy/low PR/irrelevant), I'll request them to remove a link.

If they reply that they'll charge us $10-$20 to remove it then I just put it in the disavow tool. But more than anything I'll still be polite and ask them first :-D.

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niksng

11 years ago

But don't you think that if they don't like the idea of paying you then they can put your website in disavow link of google and that may cause some problems in your ranking in google.

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A P Geofrey

11 years ago

Well well well, Now this is really interesting. I think if I were contacted by whom ever and ask to remove whatever, except it is a copyrighted material that I posted, I woulkd certain send them my Paypal too.

At times, the same people asking you to remove these links are the same people who paid others to use low level automated softwares to spam your websites with these links, or who knows, did it themselves.

Too bad auto submitting software doesn't have an option to re,ove the link or spam comment once posted.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by A P Geofrey

Well well well, Now this is really interesting. I think if I were contacted by whom ever and ask to remove whatever, except it is a copyrighted material that I posted, I woulkd certain send them my Paypal too.

At times, the same people asking you to remove these links are the same people who paid others to use low level automated softwares to spam your websites with these links, or who knows, did it themselves.

Too bad auto submitting software doesn't have an option to re,ove the link or spam comment once posted.

Okay - so let's say I have a site. And I take a look at my external links. I have a link pointing to a site that has MALWARE. I contact the webmaster (you). And I tell you to kindly remove that link because it's affecting MY site. You're going to tell me that it will cost $10 to remove it? And let's that it was say YOU that added the link (my site) somewhere in the past. You're still going to charge me $10-$20 to remove that link?

In that case, I'll just disavow it.

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Okay - so let's say I have a site. And I take a look at my external links. I have a link pointing to a site that has MALWARE. I contact the webmaster (you). And I tell you to kindly remove that link because it's affecting MY site. You're going to tell me that it will cost $10 to remove it? And let's that it was say YOU that added the link (my site) somewhere in the past. You're still going to charge me $10-$20 to remove that link?

In that case, I'll just disavow it.

But that is not the issue that most of us are seeing.

The advertiser pays someone to put a link on my site, then when it no longer serves the advertiser, the advertiser asks me to spend my time to fix his problem.

I can spend my time taking down the link for free that the advertiser believes is causing problems for him, or I can ask the advertiser to pay for my time to fix his problem.

The link to the advertiser's site is not a problem for me. It is only a problem for the advertiser.

If it was the advertiser's action that put the link on my site in the first place, why should I donate my time to fixing his problem?

It would be quite different if I chose to put the link to the advertiser's site on mine without his permission, but if it was his action that caused the link to be put on my site, it is his problem.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

But that is not the issue that most of us are seeing.

The advertiser pays someone to put a link on my site, then when it no longer serves the advertiser, the advertiser asks me to spend my time to fix his problem.

I can spend my time taking down the link for free that the advertiser believes is causing problems for him, or I can ask the advertiser to pay for my time to fix his problem.

The link to the advertiser's site is not a problem for me. It is only a problem for the advertiser.

If it was the advertiser's action that put the link on my site in the first place, why should I donate my time to fixing his problem?

It would be quite different if I chose to put the link to the advertiser's site on mine without his permission, but if it was his action that caused the link to be put on my site, it is his problem.

Okay if I asked you to put the link then THAT makes sense.

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A P Geofrey

11 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Okay - so let's say I have a site. And I take a look at my external links. I have a link pointing to a site that has MALWARE. I contact the webmaster (you). And I tell you to kindly remove that link because it's affecting MY site. You're going to tell me that it will cost $10 to remove it? And let's that it was say YOU that added the link (my site) somewhere in the past. You're still going to charge me $10-$20 to remove that link?

In that case, I'll just disavow it.

First of all, I don't have a Malware on any of my sites.

Secondly, I don't see any reason why I would make a spammy comment post on my own site with a link to your site, except I am a moron myself, which I believe I am not.

So....:confused: I still don't get your question.

Remeber that most of these links, at times are posted by the people who later come back and ask you to remove them, or they pay people to post them. So after reaping the short term benefits at my peril, you can't today turn around and come and ask me to remove the links because you are suffering from the long term effects.

Sorry but it will cost you too, the same way these links costs me when you spammed my site.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Originally Posted by A P Geofrey

First of all, I don't have a Malware on any of my sites.

Secondly, I don't see any reason why I would make a spammy comment post on my own site with a link to your site, except I am a moron myself, which I believe I am not.

So....:confused: I still don't get your question.

Remeber that most of these links, at times are posted by the people who later come back and ask you to remove them, or they pay people to post them. So after reaping the short term benefits at my peril, you can't today turn around and come and ask me to remove the links because you are suffering from the long term effects.

Sorry but it will cost you too, the same way these links costs me when you spammed my site.

Forget it. Different scenarios. Too long to explain and no need to get into it

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FredJones

11 years ago

At this rate, the next step that I can imagine will be someone setting up a blackmail campaign - "I have added links (on my third-grade site) pointing to your wonderfully ranking site, thereby tanking your ranking, and unless you pay me $$$ I won't take the links on my site down".

What's this coming to?

Wish something would change fast at Google's end.

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arkina

11 years ago

Good point!! And very good evil scheme

Originally Posted by FredJones

At this rate, the next step that I can imagine will be someone setting up a blackmail campaign - "I have added links (on my third-grade site) pointing to your wonderfully ranking site, thereby tanking your ranking, and unless you pay me $$$ I won't take the links on my site down".

What's this coming to?

Wish something would change fast at Google's end.

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mediamarket

11 years ago

Go to webmaster and use the link disavow tool..

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GGpaul

11 years ago

Glad this was brought to the adsense ppc seo discussion.

Gah I'm losing my interest with so many people here. *sigh*.

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LinkQuidator

11 years ago

From one side, this is really their fault that they included their links on all irrelevant sites, but from the other side your site is kind of a trap for them, and you're making money from theirs bad luck.

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hometutor

11 years ago

Originally Posted by LinkQuidator

From one side, this is really their fault that they included their links on all irrelevant sites, but from the other side your site is kind of a trap for them, and you're making money from theirs bad luck.

I'm an in home computer tutor and one of the best virus removal specialists on Oahu. I make money with people's bad luck in that manner if you wish to look at it that way, but I prefer to think I am helping people out of a bad situation and having my time reimbursed for the service.

Rick

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

If you don't take down the links, they disavow them.

If enough people do it, your site is diminished in the SERPs.

Just take the link down. They have a link penalty, it's hurting their business and there is no need to be a d**k about it.

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tpw

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Just take the link down. They have a link penalty, it's hurting their business and there is no need to be a d**k about it.

How much of our time should we give people to fix "their problems", before it is okay to start charging for our time?

When I charged the one person $100 an hour to take down the links that we had worked hard to create for them, it took 5.5 hours to do that job.

It is nice to know that so many folks think my time is worth so little that I should just give it away for free to anyone who wants me to fix their SEO problems for them.

If charging for my time makes me a d**k, then so be it, I am going to continue to be a d**k.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tpw

How much of our time should we give people to fix "their problems", before it is okay to start charging for our time?

When I charged the one person $100 an hour to take down the links that we had worked hard to create for them, it took 5.5 hours to do that job.

It is nice to know that so many folks think my time is worth so little that I should just give it away for free to anyone who wants me to fix their SEO problems for them.

If charging for my time makes me a d**k, then so be it, I am going to continue to be a d**k.

The time it takes to remove a link is minimal. Even at your extraordinary Redneck Marketing hourly rate it will add up to pennies.

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hometutor 11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

The time it takes to remove a link is minimal. Even at your extraordinary Redneck Marketing hourly rate it will add up to pennies.

I get lists of 20 links o more in profiles. The time would add up and it's not my mistake in the first pace.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

If you don't take down the links, they disavow them.

If enough people do it, your site is diminished in the SERPs.

Just take the link down. They have a link penalty, it's hurting their business and there is no need to be a d**k about it.

Do you have any proof of that? I'm just curious because I have not seen any.

I know it logically would make sense, but I have not seen anything documented that it is indeed the case.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Do you have any proof of that? I'm just curious because I have not seen any.

I know it logically would make sense, but I have not seen anything documented that it is indeed the case.

Yes, of course I do. I had several old style websites de-indexed because of 'link selling.' Prior to that I was receiving tons of removal requests, along with threats to disavow me etc etc.

The number of requests must have triggered a manual review and a hand ban. This happened to both a network of directories I had as well as 10 TLA sites.

They aren't just compiling 'link disavowals' for sh*t and giggles. Google compiles the data and then uses it.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Yes, of course I do. I had several old style websites de-indexed because of 'link selling.' Prior to that I was receiving tons of removal requests, along with threats to disavow me etc etc.

The number of requests must have triggered a manual review and a hand ban. This happened to both a network of directories I had as well as 10 TLA sites.

They aren't just compiling 'link disavowals' for sh*t and giggles. Google compiles the data and then uses it.

Okay, those sites were violating policies though. While the disavows may have brought a manual review which caused your problem, that doesn't mean disavows alone are going to cause a site to lose rankings.

I was interested in data where disavows alone caused a site to drop.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Okay, those sites were violating policies though. While the disavows may have brought a manual review which caused your problem, that doesn't mean disavows alone are going to cause a site to lose rankings.

I was interested in data where disavows alone caused a site to drop.

Directories weren't really violating policies. Plenty of them are still indexed. Obviously I don't have all the details, but clearly the disavowal tool played a part.

I was threatened repeatedly by multiple 'SEO agencies' all about links they paid to put up. I ignored them and charged a few of them $20 (just like these guys are advocating) and eventually the sites went under.

Disavowals themselves might not cause a drop but any site that has a number of repeated requests is definitely going to be on the radar for a manual review.

Google has gotten much larger as a company in the last few years and they employ manual reviews a lot more than they used to.

As I've stated before, my sites have always existed in very competitive spaces so unfortunately I've been on the cutting edge in 2013 of a serious campaign by Google to reduce PR-passing links.

I always built my sites to maximize PR spread and then I'd pass that juice along to paying clients so they could impact the SERPs, mainly for their clients.

I've been doing that since 2003. After 10 years of toxic buildups, the sites eventually have been deemed unworthy of being included in Google's index.

I primarily blame narcs and turncoats and disgruntled 'unnatural link' recipients for the damage, but it really was inevitable.

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GGpaul

11 years ago

I guess disavowing isn't popular yet to a lot of people....

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

You guys charging to have links removed from your sites must have crappy sites/pages to begin with. Nobody would want a link removed from a decent site/page.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You guys charging to have links removed from your sites must have crappy sites/pages to begin with. Nobody would want a link removed from a decent site/page.

Actually, you would be surprised. These link removal companies that get contracted to do the work have no clue what a good link is from a bad link. They just send link removal requests to damn near everything in a link profile I think.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Actually, you would be surprised. These link removal companies that get contracted to do the work have no clue what a good link is from a bad link. They just send link removal requests to damn near everything in a link profile I think.

Lol that would be a total cluster $#@% SEO, removing decent links.

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol that would be a total cluster $#@% SEO, removing decent links.

It's about as bad as SEOs from India.
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hometutor 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

You guys charging to have links removed from your sites must have crappy sites/pages to begin with. Nobody would want a link removed from a decent site/page.

I like to think mine is not a crappy site since God told me to make it, but I'm sure it could use some human opinions and tweaking, but it is a forum and the word post is in the title.

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borisob

11 years ago

This is the MOST STUPID thing you can do.
What they will do now? mmm lets think, the will Disavow you domain using Disavow tool.
To many of these Disavows for your domain from many other domains and guess what?
Google will assume your site is just spam link farm and guest what will happen then to your site ...
And i am not even talks about the Do not do to others what you do not what others will do to you.

Anyway, if you want your site out of google then keep charging for something that as site owner you should do which is to maintains your site clean from spam ....
But heyy why not just to think on the short term for how to earn $20 ...
(and lose 000$ in the future when your site drop) ...

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by borisob

This is the MOST STUPID thing you can do.
What they will do now? mmm lets think, the will Disavow you domain using Disavow tool.
To many of these Disavows for your domain from many other domains and guess what?
Google will assume your site is just spam link farm and guest what will happen then to your site ...
And i am not even talks about the Do not do to others what you do not what others will do to you.

Once again, there is no proof of how Google treats domains that a user has requested to disavow links from. That is nothing but speculation.

I'm pretty certain that they are not treating requests this way though. I spoke to one of these companies that are offering to do link cleanup because I was curious what they were doing. This company feels that directory links are bad, so they are doing Disavow requests on ALL directory links including Dmoz, Best of the Web, and the Yahoo Directory.

I'm sure there are plenty of other great sites getting disavow requests thrown at them. It is not going to just trigger something bad to happen to those sites.

Now if your site is a piece of crap, like 99% of internet marketing sites, then yeah, you probably do not want any additional attention brought to it.

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