Are there really any SEO "secrets" out there?

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I am desperately looking for an "expert" in field of SEO to improve on page SEO optimization. I've looked on forums and odesk and all people claim that they are experts and know the "secrets" of SEO. However, mostly it boils down to the same stuff: keyword optimization, meta tags, meta descriptions and header titles along with a company blog and posting of regular updates. I don't even need backlinks, just some on site optimization.

So far I see that these are most important things:
1) Site loads fast
2) Legitimate content (not spammy, dupe content)
3) Meta tags
4) Meta descriptions
5) Headers
6) Crawlable
7) Has sitemap
8) Server in near visitors.

Am I missing something here?
#secrets #seo
  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

    I am desperately looking for an "expert" in field of SEO to improve on page SEO optimization. I've looked on forums and odesk and all people claim that they are experts and know the "secrets" of SEO. However, mostly it boils down to the same stuff: keyword optimization, meta tags, meta descriptions and header titles along with a company blog and posting of regular updates. I don't even need backlinks, just some on site optimization.

    So far I see that these are most important things:
    1) Site loads fast
    2) Legitimate content (not spammy, dupe content)
    3) Meta tags
    4) Meta descriptions
    5) Headers
    6) Crawlable
    7) Has sitemap
    8) Server in near visitors.

    Am I missing something here?
    1. good but not priority unless site loads really slow
    2. the better the content the better
    3. meta tags are so 2004
    4. meta descriptions are only relevant for for site description, but for seo, nothing much
    5. i would say not so much unless complete crap
    6. ofcourse!
    7. brilliant!
    8. not really, depends on target audience and target keywords
    9. i'm drunk right now
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post



    1) Site loads fast
    2) Legitimate content (not spammy, dupe content)
    3) Meta tags
    4) Meta descriptions
    5) Headers
    6) Crawlable
    7) Has sitemap
    8) Server in near visitors.
    9) Classified Top Secret
    10)Classified Top Secret

    There you go.
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  • Profile picture of the author flipfire
    There's no secrets to SEO just follow Googles guidelines...

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    Lee
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

    I am desperately looking for an "expert" in field of SEO to improve on page SEO optimization. I've looked on forums and odesk and all people claim that they are experts and know the "secrets" of SEO. However, mostly it boils down to the same stuff: keyword optimization, meta tags, meta descriptions and header titles along with a company blog and posting of regular updates. I don't even need backlinks, just some on site optimization.

    So far I see that these are most important things:
    1) Site loads fast
    2) Legitimate content (not spammy, dupe content)
    3) Meta tags
    4) Meta descriptions
    5) Headers
    6) Crawlable
    7) Has sitemap
    8) Server in near visitors.

    Am I missing something here?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Brian's going to need to start paying me for dropping links for him.

    This article post will give you a broader picture of SEO ranking factors.

    [Infographic] Google's 200 Ranking Factors | Search Engine Journal
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Brian's going to need to start paying me for dropping links for him.

      This article post will give you a broader picture of SEO ranking factors.
      Some of that info. is fluff to fill out the 200 list.

      Example, the amount of text on a web page has nothing to do with ranking a target keyword.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Some of that info. is fluff to fill out the 200 list.

        Example, the amount of text on a web page has nothing to do with ranking a target keyword.
        For sure, but my magic marker doesn't extend to Brian's infographic.
        Do you think I even read that graphic?
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  • Profile picture of the author Stephen Root
    There's 2 rules in SEO that will guarantee your success.

    1. rule: Do not reveal your secrets.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
    Its funny you know. There will continue to be be secrets and I will keep sheering them
    Implement and you will see and know all
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    Dupe content is more than just posting the same article twice. If the content appears twice under 2 different urld then you have a problem. When you have tags/categories, and a post is under more than on tag or category you now have dupe content.

    Look into rel=canonical and that should help you out a lot. also relly simple to fix when using wordpress.
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  • Profile picture of the author JakeJordan
    99.99% of the people having trouble with SEO are only struggling because they don't truly understand how Google ranks pages. It's more than just keyword spamming and backlinking, you are a really going to need to do your research to succeed in a SEO based market. Here is a link to Google's SEO policies, I advise that you get familiar with them. http://static.googleusercontent.com/...rter-guide.pdf
    Once you read this, you will understand how SEO works. I promise, there are no secrets, just lazy people who don't want to work hard enough to uncover the METHOD to SEO.

    Hope this helps and Good Luck!!

    Jake J.
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    • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
      Originally Posted by JakeJordan View Post

      99.99%
      It is much more then just sticking to the outline given bye Google and it can be complex at times but I do agree that one must get out there and try to understand the full story.
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    • Profile picture of the author brandilynbriggs
      Originally Posted by JakeJordan View Post

      99.99% of the people having trouble with SEO are only struggling because they don't truly understand how Google ranks pages. It's more than just keyword spamming and backlinking, you are a really going to need to do your research to succeed in a SEO based market. Here is a link to Google's SEO policies, I advise that you get familiar with them. http://static.googleusercontent.com/...rter-guide.pdf
      Once you read this, you will understand how SEO works. I promise, there are no secrets, just lazy people who don't want to work hard enough to uncover the METHOD to SEO.

      Hope this helps and Good Luck!!

      Jake J.
      I absolutely agree with this post, I have just spent most of my day really working on my SEO. It is not easy and there is no short cut, but with anything worth having and having well, hard work is the only way you are going to achieve your goals and rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Secrets would never be revealed in a public forum, would they?
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    • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Secrets would never be revealed in a public forum, would they?
      Clever clever PerformanceMan
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by Clint Faber View Post

        Clever clever PerformanceMan
        Thanks Clint
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        • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
          Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

          Thanks Clint
          The best lie is honesty and the best place to hide something is in plane sight.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mohamad Zidani
    the secret is to follow google guidelines and google updates
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  • Profile picture of the author Hrkjds
    You love Google, you like Google, you want to see your site on Google, you talk about Google, you search on Google, every where is Google, so why don't you follow what Google suggests for on page optimization?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Can you rank a video thumbnail image in Google search without even having a video (any video)? I can. :p

    Learned that trick from a real estate site, they had thousands of video thumbnail images ranked & no videos.
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    • Profile picture of the author SocialDemon
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Can you rank a video thumbnail image in Google search without even having a video (any video)? I can. :p

      Learned that trick from a real estate site, they had thousands of video thumbnail images ranked & no videos.
      Yukon we want to know the technique.....
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  • Profile picture of the author vk3
    Rule #1 - find out what Google wants...
    Rule #2 - give Google what it wants...

    = profit?
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  • Profile picture of the author smodha
    You can save yourself a lot of headache by removing Google from the equation. It doesn't matter where your traffic comes from - you need to invest money so instead of trying to please Google (who don't give a f*ck about you or your business) just go to where the traffic already exists.

    I'm using FB Ads. Once you get to grips with it - it's very profitable and doesn't cost much if you laser target your audience.
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    • Profile picture of the author SocialDemon
      Originally Posted by smodha View Post

      I'm using FB Ads. Once you get to grips with it - it's very profitable and doesn't cost much if you laser target your audience.

      Fbook adds pay off? Are you selling products to facebook traffic? If so then I do believe I can provide much better results than facebook adds as I know how to create a group/fanpage then increase relevant members/likers. After all how to drive them to my target page. But the only problem is these traffic didnt convert well. So not sure how lucrative facebook adds can be.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        No real SEO person does not have tricks. Everyone knows blah blah blah...
        but that's basic crap for morons...a true SEO genius will have stuff he
        leaves behind the curtain. I have given a taste of mine here and there.
        Yukon has disclosed some GREAT shi-ite. But he draws the line.

        Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author Clint Faber
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          No real SEO person does not have tricks. Everyone knows blah blah blah...
          but that's basic crap for morons...a true SEO genius will have stuff he
          leaves behind the curtain. I have given a taste of mine here and there.
          Yukon has disclosed some GREAT shi-ite. But he draws the line.

          Paul
          Well I'm no genius Paulgl but I do have expansive skills working with SE algorithms.
          There is shit information out there I agree if someone is selling the information you should expect to get the full story. It wold be unethical to knowingly withhold value expected bye the buyer of the information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    There is no secret to on-page optimization. It is a limited amount of things you can do and once you do them, you need to work on off-page links.

    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

    Example, the amount of text on a web page has nothing to do with ranking a target keyword.
    I disagree. I've analyzed enough SERPs to realize that more text on a page, as long as it is relevant to the subject matter, will almost always help your ranking for the primary keyword of that page.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Example, the amount of text on a web page has nothing to do with ranking a target keyword.
      Originally Posted by Curtis2011 View Post

      I disagree. I've analyzed enough SERPs to realize that more text on a page, as long as it is relevant to the subject matter, will almost always help your ranking for the primary keyword of that page.
      I guess we'll both have to disagree because as long as I'm ranking pages with low text count per page I'll never believe the amount of text on a page matters for ranking your target keyword. Now If your targeting multiple keywords per page, sure, the more keywords on the page the more longtails you'll get.

      Thing is, a long page of text can be broken down into multiple internal pages & with good internal linking stand a chance of getting double/triple SERP listings (per keyword), that won't happen If you have a single long page of text.
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  • Profile picture of the author mediamarket
    There is no one secret, its about making backlinks really and making it natural and authoritative in google eyes.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando Veloso
    Originally Posted by LetsGoViral View Post

    Am I missing something here?
    You're missing the secrets.

    But those who know these secrets prefer to keep a low profile. Most of these guys discover these secrets by testing AND/OR when checking competition in "interesting" markets.

    Fact is: these secrets equal big money. Don't expect them (usually) in a WSO or a blog post.
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  • Profile picture of the author jason1985
    i know someone who can rank a blank page. lol or 1 sentence. lol. they way I see it which i will do is own my own network. if you wanted to , you could of ranked a domain that looks like its about dogs, but instead is about soccer balls. it could throw them off though by that title and ull have confused traffic at times
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  • Profile picture of the author Dentist
    There are secrets... and I learnt a thing or two about SEOs a while back:
    - You can find some treasures by following the experts and reading their less popular posts.
    - As soon as a secret is out there and everybody is talking about it, or using it, it is the time to get out, forget that method and save yourself. Soon it will be banished and penalized.
    So, how to learn secrets?
    - Learn a lot, experiment a lot, understand the foundation not just methods, Think as if you are Google and think if you were in their shoes how you would bust people, then avoid the obvious pitfalls, create your own methods, test them a few times, and go with them silently, quit them if too many people figured them out, be alive and dynamic, move forward and learn continuously, build a business not just be obsessed with SEO, and for god's sake ignore every thread and everyone that says SEO is dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Klemen Znidar
    No secrets really. Just don't over optimize and make sure you work on quality and not quantity. (:
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    I have a secret and no matter how many times i say it, nobody acts on it!

    the secret is to provide useful shareable content.
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  • Profile picture of the author Derwin Ryder
    There is no secrets..
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    Do and learn.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    All of what OP said is not a secret.

    Personally, the biggest secret is hard work and testing. The people who make the most, in the most profitable industries have tested everything black, white, grey, purple... you name it, we've done it.

    It's the only way to get really good.

    Right now, freshess is overvalued, and youtube is super easy to game.

    High PR links are also king, that is the page, not the domain. Domain PR means shit.
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