Link Building Services Needed

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

Can anybody suggest a good link building service?

I've been looking online and the cheapest I could find was 5 Contextual links for £400! I'm not new to this and i'm well aware that the price is a scam.

I just want a very small amount of relevant links coming into my website, for a reasonable cost. Any recommendations?

EDIT: I found this website, but don't really understand what a SAPE is, is a SAPE bad, on the flip side, i'm concerned with how cheap they are, redsquareseo.com

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Paul Tovey

11 years ago

IT Support for my local area!

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Andrewsfm 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

IT Support for my local area!

Have you done your keyword research and picked out a low competition keyword looking at the backlinks etc of other sites?
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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

IT Support for my local area!

Use social media - you don't need link building or SEO. You can find local clients on the major social networks.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Use social media - you don't need link building or SEO. You can find local clients on the major social networks.

Why would any business just ignore a viable source of targeted traffic? That just makes no sense. And sorry, but poeple are not going on Facebook to search for the solutions to their IT problems. EDIT: Unless they have friends that are in IT, but they are not looking for a business to help them.

For once though, he is partially right. Depending on the size of your market, you may not really need any link building, or very little of it.

What you do need is a solid Google+ page for your business and have lots of citations built in all the relevant local directories... Yelp, Foursquare, iBegin, Localeze, MerchantCirlce, Manta, etc.

Local SEO is a little different than traditional SEO. The citations alone will often be enough to get you ranking in the local market.

Now if you are targeting New York City or something like that, then it is a different story. You are going to need a good combination of both.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Why would any business just ignore a viable source of targeted traffic? That just makes no sense. And sorry, but poeple are not going on Facebook to search for the solutions to their IT problems.

For once though, he is partially right. Depending on the size of your market, you may not really need any link building, or very little of it.

What you do need is a solid Google+ page for your business and have lots of citations built in all the relevant local directories... Yelp, Foursquare, iBegin, Localeze, MerchantCirlce, Manta, etc.

Local SEO is a little different than traditional SEO. The citations alone will often be enough to get you ranking in the local market.

Now if you are targeting New York City or something like that, then it is a different story. You are going to need a good combination of both.

With all due respect, Friedman, I don't believe you have any specialized knowledge of what Facebook people do. In reality, they are PEOPLE. That means they live somewhere locally and have all the needs that any people anywhere have.

In any event, for local SEO for this guy I agree. He should be in Yelp and all of those and he definitely should be using Google+ too.

What he SHOULD NOT do under any circumstance is start 'link building' because he heard he needed to. A targeted campaign with citations and an active social media base are all any local business needs.

Social media traffic converts VERY well. Local businesses need to establish trust and that's an easy way to do it.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

With all due respect, Friedman, I don't believe you have any specialized knowledge of what Facebook people do. In reality, they are PEOPLE. That means they live somewhere locally and have all the needs that any people anywhere have.

In any event, for local SEO for this guy I agree. He should be in Yelp and all of those and he definitely should be using Google+ too.

What he SHOULD NOT do under any circumstance is start 'link building' because he heard he needed to. A targeted campaign with citations and an active social media base are all any local business needs.

Social media traffic converts VERY well. Local businesses need to establish trust and that's an easy way to do it.

You do understand that link building does not just mean someone firing up Scrapebox or SEnuke and blasting away, right?

It can also mean reaching out to the local Chamber of Commerce to inquire about getting a link on their website. Why would any business not want a link like that?

In many communities you can find websites that are designed to promote local businesses or websites for new people moving in to the area that need to find a doctor, dentist, accountant, car garage, etc. If a business can get links from pages like that, by reaching out to them, why in the world would they not do that? Not only does it help with rankings, but there can be some great direct traffic too.

As far as what people are or are not doing on Facebook, it is tough to know for sure because Facebook does not release that data. You know who does? Google. So you KNOW that there are people on Google searching for your products and/or services. Why would a business not want to put itself in front of those eyeballs?

I do venture out into the real world though and talk to people about what they do on social media. I have several clients in niches related to this one, but not IT specifically, that have a fair number of Facebook followers. They have great YouTube channels. Some are pretty active on Twitter.

You know how much new business those sources bring in compared to Google? It is microscopic.

Social media is better for branding and buy-in. People find a website. Even if it is ranked #1, they do not have to do business with that company. But they may see a link to YouTube or a Facebook page. They might check those out, and based on what they see there decide that this is a company they want to do business with. Social media certainly helps in that respect. But 99% of the time, the customers are finding the website first, not the Facebook page.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

With all due respect, Friedman, I don't believe you have any specialized knowledge of what Facebook people do. In reality, they are PEOPLE. That means they live somewhere locally and have all the needs that any people anywhere have.

More specific on this point... you are a bit delusional here. Let me know when you find someone that locks their keys in the car and the first thing they do is run to Facebook to find a locksmith. Or the person that has a flat tire, needs a local tow truck, and decides to do a search on Facebook for one.

They are going to whip out their phone (which is probably an Android) and do a search in Google. If they are still behind the times and clinging to their iPhone, then maybe Bing.

Hell, they would go to Yelp before they would ever consider Facebook, and I do not consider Yelp a social media service.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

More specific on this point... you are a bit delusional here. Let me know when you find someone that locks their keys in the car and the first thing they do is run to Facebook to find a locksmith. Or the person that has a flat tire, needs a local tow truck, and decides to do a search on Facebook for one.

They are going to whip out their phone (which is probably an Android) and do a search in Google. If they are still behind the times and clinging to their iPhone, then maybe Bing.

Hell, they would go to Yelp before they would ever consider Facebook, and I do not consider Yelp a social media service.

They don't 'go' to Facebook - they're already there. See, the way it works is, they say 'Hey, I locked my keys in the car, anybody know a good locksmith?' and one of their friends recommends one.

People trust their friends a lot more than they trust search. Why wouldn't they? They've been lied to and abused so many times from searches it's just plain easier to ask someone.

I will concede I have no special knowledge of the 'locksmith vertical.' It's impossible to lock my keys in my Lincoln, and even if it was, I'd call for my free roadside assistance.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

They don't 'go' to Facebook - they're already there. See, the way it works is, they say 'Hey, I locked my keys in the car, anybody know a good locksmith?' and one of their friends recommends one.

People trust their friends a lot more than they trust search. Why wouldn't they? They've been lied to and abused so many times from searches it's just plain easier to ask someone.

I will concede I have no special knowledge of the 'locksmith vertical.' It's impossible to lock my keys in my Lincoln, and even if it was, I'd call for my free roadside assistance.

They might go to Facebook if they needed a ride, but not to find a locksmith. Sure they could ask their friends if anyone knows a good locksmith. It might take an hour to get a response though.

It's not happening that way.

They can search themselves instead and just start dialing numbers. People usually want a solution as fast as possible in that situation.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

They might go to Facebook if they needed a ride, but not to find a locksmith. Sure they could ask their friends if anyone knows a good locksmith. It might take an hour to get a response though.

It's not happening that way.

They can search themselves instead and just start dialing numbers. People usually want a solution as fast as possible in that situation.

Like I said, I have no clue about locksmiths. So feel free to build all the backlinks you want to a sh*t site like that.

For 90% of other local businesses, strategies should involve social simply because referrals are more powerful advocacy than search can ever be. A combination of search and SMO is the best practice IMHO.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Like I said, I have no clue about locksmiths. So feel free to build all the backlinks you want to a sh*t site like that.

Why does a locksmith have to be a sh*t site? It's a real business serving a real need.

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

For 90% of other local businesses, strategies should involve social simply because referrals are more powerful advocacy than search can ever be. A combination of search and SMO is the best practice IMHO.

I have always said that SEO with a solid social media campaign is a good idea.

You have said businesses should forget about search traffic and focus solely on social. Many times.

And of course referrals are a great source of business, but just relying on people to refer you to their friends and family could take forever to build a client base. Much better to build search traffic, look at print and mail advertising (depending on the business), radio, tv, etc. From there you can attract people to your social media outlets.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Why does a locksmith have to be a sh*t site? It's a real business serving a real need.

I have always said that SEO with a solid social media campaign is a good idea.

You have said businesses should forget about search traffic and focus solely on social. Many times.

And of course referrals are a great source of business, but just relying on people to refer you to their friends and family could take forever to build a client base. Much better to build search traffic, look at print and mail advertising (depending on the business), radio, tv, etc. From there you can attract people to your social media outlets.

I said if they focused on social search will take care of itself. I say that because it will.

If they rely on link building they might have some initial success, but eventually they'll deal with the 'slaps' that everyone has been getting. Local businesses are more risk adverse and hate losing their domains.

In the last two years many of them have had to pay SEOs to build links and then pay another firm to remove them.

In the past three months I've successfully weaned myself from the need to 'link build' and focus on social only. The results are a 540% increase on a major money site. I'm witnessing the transition from search to social with my own eyes.

That's the perspective that my posts are coming from.

The guideline change is significant. Google never does anything lightly. After this change they'll start dishing out more penalties. At that point, there will be almost no effective methods left for link building.

Even the horsecrap like 'broken link building' and 'outreach' is already being abused by SEO firms. The average person who starts out right now looking to do Internet Marketing does not have to focus on building links for Google love.

They can take their message direct to the people by leveraging their built-in audiences. It's faster, safer, and more profitable.

That's all I'm saying and I think you're basically on the same page other than you're still placing links to sites, which I no longer do.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

If they rely on link building they might have some initial success, but eventually they'll deal with the 'slaps' that everyone has been getting. Local businesses are more risk adverse and hate losing their domains.

But see this part is totally not true. Not EVERY local business is getting slapped by Google. In fact, it is a very small percentage that have. They just happen to be more vocal about it. The people who have been ranking #1 for the past 8 years have nothing to complain about so you don't hear how happy they are with their traffic from Google.

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

In the last two years many of them have had to pay SEOs to build links and then pay another firm to remove them.

And I think this is why you are so against SEO. You are just talking about the crappy link spammers, not what I would consider to be real, true SEOs.

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

In the past three months I've successfully weaned myself from the need to 'link build' and focus on social only. The results are a 540% increase on a major money site. I'm witnessing the transition from search to social with my own eyes.

That's the perspective that my posts are coming from.

The guideline change is significant. Google never does anything lightly. After this change they'll start dishing out more penalties. At that point, there will be almost no effective methods left for link building.

Even the horsecrap like 'broken link building' and 'outreach' is already being abused by SEO firms. The average person who starts out right now looking to do Internet Marketing does not have to focus on building links for Google love.

They can take their message direct to the people by leveraging their built-in audiences. It's faster, safer, and more profitable.

That's all I'm saying and I think you're basically on the same page other than you're still placing links to sites, which I no longer do.

I agree about most Internet Marketers should probably stay away from SEO. Google does not want another website with a crap review about the Samsung XYZ Model 321 Plasma LCD 3D SmartTV with an affiliate link to Amazon. That's the kind of sites most internet marketers are building.

Social signals though will not rank a website. You are wrong there. Show me one website ranking based on social signals alone, and you will have my attention. I've been looking for over a year now and have not found one.

As long as Google is ranking 10 webpages on page one of every search result, search engine traffic will always be a viable source of revenue for businesses.

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JSProjects

11 years ago

If you're looking for a small amount of relevant links, definitely avoid SAPE.

Why not pound the pavement and contact high authority sites in your niche to see if any will accept guest posts?

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Paul Tovey

11 years ago

Well, I just find it takes so much time to do.
Is there a link building tutorial anywhere to make it easier?

It just looks like a huge task to me as I just don't know were to start!

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Andrewsfm

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

Well, I just find it takes so much time to do.
Is there a link building tutorial anywhere to make it easier?

It just looks like a huge task to me as I just don't know were to start!

You need to make sure your keyword is right first, low competition and achievable etc.

The best way to rank is private blog networks, a lot of people will sell crap spammy links.

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11 years ago

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

I just want a very small amount of relevant links coming into my website, for a reasonable cost. Any recommendations?

EDIT: I found this website, but don't really understand what a SAPE is, is a SAPE bad, on the flip side, i'm concerned with how cheap they are, redsquareseo.com

I would avoid anything that uses SAPE. The tactics often involve hacked sites which is disgraceful.

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11 years ago

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by Paul Tovey

Can anybody suggest a good link building service?

I've been looking online and the cheapest I could find was 5 Contextual links for £400! I'm not new to this and i'm well aware that the price is a scam.

Some people charge more than $6,000 for SEO alone, I can barely understand why £400 can become a scam if you do your diligence.

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Jeremiah2911

11 years ago

Paul, if you're looking for a tutorial on link building check out the Link Building Strategies Guide here

This is a great effort wriiten by Jon Cooper of Point Blank Seo

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