60+ ways of building backlinks (& an interesting case study in ignorance, assumptions, & integrity)

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Side note before I get into the backlinks: You'll notice a couple of faithful Warriors felt the need to call me out and accuse me of "copying" this list from another forum. It's all well and good to want to protect the integrity of the WF, and I do applaud that. What I find most frustrating though is even when confronted with the facts (that it was I whose content was stolen and shared, and not the other way around) these same Warriors have grown strangely silent and yet their accusations remain. There are some interesting lessons to be learned. I'll not share them here. I will though just encourage you to actually READ the thread (especially this or this) before you jump on the "Derek's a fraud" bandwagon of ignorance. (Another note: do I really need to define "ignorant"? It's not "stupid", and it's not necessarily an insult. It's just a lack of knowledge, and is definitely exhibited below). Lastly, It's crazy how QUICK these gentlemen were to call me out, but so slow to redact those same comments when shown to be in error. Anyway, life goes on, right? On with the show...

In my experience, two things have made all the difference in my online niche business:

1) targeting the right keywords.
2) building quality backlinks.

Building links can be tough though, right? Admittedly this is not an exhaustive list (and not all examples are equally effective), but below you'll find at least 60 or so ideas to help you get started building backlinks of your own.

1. Submit a guest post to other blogs.
2. Meaningfully comment on niche relevant blogs (in particular, “do-follow” blogs).
3. Start relevant, quality threads in forums and link back to your blog posts.
4. Link to your blog in your forum signature and contribute with quality content.
5. Social bookmarking through StumbleUpon, Digg.com, and others.
6. Provide testimonials for other marketers and provide your link when doing so.
7. Create a quality Squidoo lens.
8. Create a quality HubPage.
9. Participate in discussion boards such as Quora.com.
10. Make use of quality blog communities like BlogEngage.com and others.
11. Ask and answer questions on answer sites like Yahoo Answers with a link to your blog.
12. Interlink your own blog posts.
13. Exchange links with other bloggers in your niche.
14. Submit to quality blogging directories like BestOfTheWeb.org (Edit: http://botw.org)
15. Submit your blog to top website directories like SoMuch or Dmoz.
16. Find niche specific directories and submit to them as well.
17. Ask your friends with websites or blogs to link to you.
18. Engage with social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter.
19. Submit RSS feed to aggregators and directories like RSS Network or Plazoo.com.
20. Make use of quality press releases and submit to sites like NewsVine.com.
21. Convert blog posts to PDF and submit to document sharing sites like DocStoc.com.
22. Interview leaders in your niche and give them permission to share the interview.
23. Ask other bloggers to interview you.
24. Submit your blog to blog communities like BlogCarnival.com.
25. Trade articles with other bloggers in your niche (similar to guest posting).
26. Make use of Google Groups and Yahoo Groups.
27. Create a Wikipedia page for yourself and your company and include resource links.
28. Submit your blog to .edu and .gov forums and blogs, especially their resources page.
29. Submit your blog to Technorati.com.
30. Run (and even join) a blog contest to attract more links.
31. Donate to charity sites, and many will link back to you.
32. Create GREAT content such as in-depth tutorials or free training guides.
33. Create SHARABLE content such as “101” posts, “7 ways to...”, hot trending topics, etc.
34. Create LINK BAIT content such as about celebrities or about something controversial.
35. Submit your image to image directories and include a link to your blog.
36. Make your blog posts easy to share, and reward people for doing so.
37. Submit your site to any local business directories.
38. Create quality content on About.com and link to your blog from it.
39. Create YouTube videos and submit to video sharing sites like Viddler.com.
40. Submit quality articles to article directories such as EzineArticles.com.
41. Create quality content on Wordpress.com or Blogger.com and link back to your site.
42. Offer lots of free downloads on your blog.
43. Update your blog regularly and this will help you gain traction and popularity.
44. Create a podcast and submit it to iTunes with a link to your blog from it.
45. Join the Better Business Bureau.
46. Make use of online classifieds like Craiglist.
47. Create a Firefox extension.
48. Buy older, established sites with already existing links.
49. Check competitors backlinks and try to replicate.
50. Create a simple software (or convert an eBook to .exe) and submit to software sites.
51. Create Memes.
52. Create eHow articles.
53. Create an infographic and submit it to sites like Visual.ly.
54. Find broken links and contact the site owner about replacing the dead link with yours.
55. Take advantage of Scoop It and get your content aggregated.
56. Submit your blog to website feedback sites like Concept Feedback.
57. Sign up for HARO and submit content for backlinks.
58. Create a small piece of audio and submit it to audio sharing sites likes Reverb Nation.
59. Paid banner ads.
60. Create good content about your site or niche and post it to Wiki sites like Wikia.
61. Make a “sponsored” donation on sites such as Clear Sky Chart and others.
62. Submit to Google Places.
63. …

Again, not an exhaustive list, but here's what I hope: I hope you see there are many more options that just spam blog comments or throwing up a spun article to an article directory.

Anyway, hope this helps.

Best,
Derek

P.S. - Maybe you have some more you'd like to add?
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    Edit: Derek has said he didn't copy from Black Hat World but instead someone posted his content there. I accept his word. I'm not sure why the BHW posting has been allowed to continue because now it appears, both from someone reviewing the dates of the posts, or from the perspective of a search engine, that BHW was the original source.




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    • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Why are you copying old posts from Black Hat World and posting them here??

      Let's be honest ... you're not personally doing these types of links. You can't - some are not available any more.

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      1. Copied? That's a pretty ignorant assumption. Are these methods listed elsewhere? Sure. It's not like they are unique to me. I mean, I'm pretty sure people have heard of guest posting before.

      I spent about a week just compiling a list of as many methods as I could think of and...get this, are you ready for it?...I did research. Believe it or not, I'm not the first to compile a list like this. Maybe a few of these methods have made it to other people's lists (imagine that?), but copied? Say what you will, but I'm not that lazy.

      2. Do I personally do all of these? Did I say I did? Did I say which methods I use and which were new to me? What did I say? I said this was a list of options to help you get started.

      Anyway, thanks for your helpful comment and valuable contribution.

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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Originally Posted by Derek_Thomas View Post

        1. Copied? That's a pretty ignorant assumption.
        Not really:

        edited by Brian: deletion of BHW link.

        Since you spent a week researching this, mind sharing some of the social bookmarks created recently with Digg?

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        • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Not really:

          How To Build A Ton's Of Quality Backlinks

          Since you spent a week researching this, mind sharing some of the social bookmarks created recently with Digg?

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          Again, as I did with Bill above, I'll point you to my WSO launched July 7th: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ss-online.html

          The link you mentioned was from July 19th.

          Could it be you have the order reversed and it was not me who stole, but actually the one stolen from?

          Note the rhetorical question above, as that is EXACTLY what happened.

          You call me out and accuse me of being a liar and a thief. Given the facts above, what happens now?

          My intention in the OP was just to add value. I didn't even mention I have a WSO on backlinks! I'm only sharing the link here to get you two off my back, and to protect my reputation when I was only trying to contribute.

          I guess this is what I get for not even visiting the black hat forums.

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        • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          Would you care to correct your accusation against Brian, OR would you like to explain how this really happened?
          I'm not accusing Brian of anything.

          I was the one being accused.

          My WSO went live July 7th: http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ss-online.html

          It's called Backlinks Simplified. In one of the chapters, I list these very same 60+ ideas. The link you shared and said I stole from was posted on Saturday July 20th.

          Could it not be that my content, my compiled list, was the one shared and not vice versa? Your "source" is "black hat" after all.

          And in case anyone missed it, the above is a rhetorical question. The FACT is that YES it was MY content stolen and shared, NOT the other way around. As I said earlier on, I'm not lazy and I'm not a thief.

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            • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              You accused him of making "ignorant assumptions".
              It was ignorant because he not not know. It was an assumption because he not have the facts.

              Me on the other hand? I've just been blasted by both of you guys, and here's what I'm guessing...

              I'm guessing your posts above (even after I've clarified) will remain in tact so anyone that just skims the thread (without reading my clarification) will only see me as a thief, a fraud, or lazy. So, thanks for that.

              Originally Posted by tpw View Post

              Yes, it is possible that your content was stolen and placed on the Blackhat site.
              Possible?? That's all you have to say?

              What other explanation could there be? Are the facts not enough for you?

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    • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      Why are you copying old posts from Black Hat World and posting them here??

      Let's be honest ... you're not personally doing these types of links. You can't - some are not available any more.

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      You see, this post is still getting all sorts of "thanks" without anyone reading this or this.

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  • Profile picture of the author Kieran R
    Some great link building suggestions, even though they are short.

    My suggestion would be, stay away from paid links at all costs nowadays. The best way in my opinion is to get authority blogs to mention you in a post. Now this could come from a guest post, or even another blog linking to a post on your blog for further information.

    Writing good, informative content will ultimately lead to you getting more 'authority' related back links.

    Nowadays, traditional methods such as link swaps, blog commenting, and even social bookmarking in my opinion simply do not work, or have little effect compared to the effort they require.
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      Originally Posted by Kieran R View Post

      Some great link building suggestions, even though they are short.

      My suggestion would be, stay away from paid links at all costs nowadays. The best way in my opinion is to get authority blogs to mention you in a post. Now this could come from a guest post, or even another blog linking to a post on your blog for further information.

      Writing good, informative content will ultimately lead to you getting more 'authority' related back links.

      Nowadays, traditional methods such as link swaps, blog commenting, and even social bookmarking in my opinion simply do not work, or have little effect compared to the effort they require.
      BS! Where do you get this from? Don't say Matt Cutts either. I at my wits end with these types of comments.
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      Originally Posted by Kieran R View Post

      My suggestion would be, stay away from paid links at all costs nowadays. The best way in my opinion is to get authority blogs to mention you in a post. Now this could come from a guest post, or even another blog linking to a post on your blog for further information.
      Really? I mean... really? Lol...

      I say that with a bit of humor, tongue and cheek style... but beyond the big G "creating" ethics and morals about "do no evil", paid links are some of the most powerful links you can snag when received from the right sources... especially, when they "appear" to be 100% natural...
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      • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
        Derek, if your WSO was copied to a forum before you could copy it I'm sorry to hear that. One problem, as you already know, is posting "methods" which are dated and no longer available, or are absurd, and, perhaps most importantly, you have not used yourself. That is a red flag that what you are posting, at least in part, was obtained elsewhere, because if you had tried these yourself you would know they are not viable and would not be in the list.

        What would be helpful is if you posted ways of building backlinks you had actually used yourself and which you found useful, instead of "researching" - what many call "rehashing" stuff you found elsewhere without knowing if it is useful or not. That is also not something many would want to buy in a WSO.

        For example, something useful would be an item suggesting pay Yahoo a few hundred dollars to get a backlink in the Yahoo directory and to say you did that for a competitive site and quickly saw an improvement in rankings. (Or, that it was a waste of money and saw no improvement would also be useful.) But finding a 2006 article referring to Yahoo directory links and thus copying that to your list is probably just wasting everyone's time who reads it, discovers what Yahoo charges, and then upon further research sees the directory has largely been abandoned which suggests the link is not cost effective.

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        • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
          Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

          Derek, if your WSO was copied to a forum before you could copy it I'm sorry to hear that. One problem, as you already know, is posting "methods" which are dated and no longer available, or are absurd, and, perhaps most importantly, you have not used yourself. That is a red flag that what you are posting, at least in part, was obtained elsewhere, because if you had tried these yourself you would know they are not viable and would not be in the list.

          What would be helpful is if you posted ways of building backlinks you had actually used yourself and which you found useful, instead of "researching" - what many call "rehashing" stuff you found elsewhere without knowing if it is useful or not. That is also not something many would want to buy in a WSO.

          For example, something useful would be an item suggesting pay Yahoo a few hundred dollars to get a backlink in the Yahoo directory and to say you did that for a competitive site and quickly saw an improvement in rankings. (Or, that it was a waste of money and saw no improvement would also be useful.) But finding a 2006 article referring to Yahoo directory links and thus copying that to your list is probably just wasting everyone's time who reads it, discovers what Yahoo charges, and then upon further research sees the directory has largely been abandoned which suggests the link is not cost effective.

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          I think it's important to understand my intentions and the purpose behind the OP to begin with.

          First, it was not to promote my WSO. I only bring up my WSO because I needed to clarify and defend myself, and prove this particular list was not copied, but rather my own work. It should also be noted, and this is important, that this list is NOT my WSO, but rather only one very small section of it, taking up only two pages of many. You're critiquing my WSO based on this thread, but those are apples and oranges.

          Second, let me refer back to my OP in what was one of the first sentences...

          Originally Posted by Derek_Thomas View Post

          Building links can be tough though, right? Admittedly this is not an exhaustive list (and not all examples are equally effective), but below you'll find at least 60 or so ideas to help you get started building backlinks of your own.
          My intention in this list of 60+ methods was not necessarily to list my favorites or even the best, but rather to offer (though incomplete) a somewhat exhaustive list. Do I talk about my favorite backlink methods in my WSO? Sure. But again, this was not the point of the OP here.

          You may call it "rehashed" or not see it as helpful. Others, myself included, disagree. Thanks to lists like this someone might get a few ideas they hadn't thought of before. Obviously, not all ideas are created equal and more research is required and recommended, but my point was simply to show there are a ton of different ideas out there. Don't limit yourself to spam blog comments or poorly spun articles. Consider all of your options.

          You mentioned that what would be helpful is to post methods I've actually used. Of the above methods, I've used most of them. And though you may wish I would have given a case study on the Yahoo Directory, I did not. Again, not the point. And like I said above, though this list may not be helpful to you, I can't help but believe it helpful for some. And that was my point.

          Why not take this on a positive spin? Did any of the 60+ stand out to you? Were any new? Are there any you've never tried, but might be inclined to now?

          Additionally, and here's a question I'm most curious about, will this post remain?

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    Wow! Amazing thread. Thanks a lot
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    These in any particular order? From best to worst etc?
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      These in any particular order? From best to worst etc?
      Not really, no.

      Here's the rule to remember though: Quality trumps quantity.

      10 quality backlinks amount to far more than 10,000 spam blog comments or social bookmarks. Though both blog commenting and social bookmarking made it in my list above, these are more supplementary examples. Acquiring links from authority and relevant sites is your best bet and should be your focus.

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    and all this method..we have to give it a shot daily...or weekly basis ?
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    weather its original or not, its still worth a share.
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
      Originally Posted by Charanjit View Post

      weather its original or not, its still worth a share.
      Another example of not reading the entire thread. Thanks for the support, but please read the above post.

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  • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
    A quick side note for anyone who might be scanning this thread...

    You'll notice a couple of faithful Warriors felt the need to call me out and accuse me of "copying" this list from another forum. It's all well and good to want to protect the integrity of the WF, and I do applaud that. What I find most frustrating though is even when confronted with the facts (that it was I whose content was stolen and shared, and not the other way around) these same Warriors have grown strangely silent and yet their accusations remain.

    There are some interesting lessons to be learned. I'll not share them here. I will though just encourage you to actually READ the thread (especially this or this) before you jump on the "Derek's a fraud" bandwagon of ignorance.

    (Another note: do I really need to define "ignorant"? It's not "stupid", and it's not necessarily an insult. It's just a lack of knowledge, and is definitely exhibited above).

    Lastly, It's crazy how QUICK these gentlemen were to call me out, but so slow to redact those same comments when shown to be in error. Anyway, life goes on, right? On with the show...

    Bottom line: As I said in the beginning, I hope this list helps give you some great backlink building ideas. If you have any questions though, I know a couple of guys who'd be happy to answer.

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    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by Derek_Thomas View Post

      You'll notice a couple of faithful Warriors felt the need to call me out and accuse me of "copying" this list from another forum. It's all well and good to want to protect the integrity of the WF, and I do applaud that. What I find most frustrating though is even when confronted with the facts (that it was I whose content was stolen and shared, and not the other way around) these same Warriors have grown strangely silent and yet their accusations remain.

      Yep, some people sleep from time to time, and sometimes at night, and sometimes early in the evening.

      What we know is that some of your tips are not usable anymore. In fact, some of the techniques have been unavailable to marketers for some time.

      So, is your guide "60+ methods", or is it "50+ methods, but you (the reader) will need to figure out where I screwed up"? :rolleyes:

      The fact that some of these resources are no longer applicable means that you copied your original data from some place else, without testing the data or making sure it was legit.

      You were called out originally for copying, and even if you didn't copy the original post from BHW, you did copy a number of your actual "tips" from some place else, without checking the viability of those "tips" before publication.

      Brian and I were wrong only in the suggestion that you copied the list from BHW, but we were not wrong to point out that many items in this list were copied from somewhere else.

      If you didn't do some copying, you would not have recommended some of the things you recommended.

      So, will I retract my original comments? NO. Because we were only wrong in the specifics of where you copied the information from, but we were not wrong that you copied some of the information from outdated lists or articles.

      Imagine if medical books followed your approach to publication... "Why did you cut out the patient's tongue?" "Well, I did some research and this was listed as one of the suggested steps." "Did you verify the information before publication?" "Why don't you look at the good things I did? I saved someone's life!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
        Originally Posted by tpw View Post

        So, is your guide "60+ methods", or is it "50+ methods, but you (the reader) will need to figure out where I screwed up"? :rolleyes:

        Brian and I were wrong only in the suggestion that you copied the list from BHW, but we were not wrong to point out that many items in this list were copied from somewhere else.

        If you didn't do some copying, you would not have recommended some of the things you recommended.
        Bill, you bring up some valid points, though I still fear you're missing mine. It's not a top 10 list, but rather an "every example I can think of list". The only way it seems to rectify that misunderstanding would be to go item by item and share a detailed case study.

        You're making assumptions as to what I do or don't do for backlinks. I'll save that case study for another time though, as you don't really seem interested in much of what I have to say. In case I'm wrong though, I do wonder if you have anything positive to say about this list? Anything new or helpful? Anything you haven't done, but might be inclined to try now? I don't need my ego scratched, but it would be much more helpful IMO to change gears. Instead of focusing on the 10 (or however many) you don't find helpful, what about those you do?

        But regarding those "10", (and let's take the comment just above about Squidoo for example), am I the only one who has not written off Squidoo as a source of not only backlinks but traffic? It's akin (albeit on a much smaller scale) to writing off Google altogether after Panda or Penguin. Sure, it's been "slapped" if that's what you want to call it, but that "slap" only makes more room for those of us who value quality over mere backlinks. My point in this example? Sure some would argue it's not as "effective" as it used to be, but that only means you can no longer just throw something together in 10 minutes and expect any results. But to say it's not a valid backlink/traffic strategy? I disagree. I don't know, but I guess you could say it like this... Your tongue analogy makes perfect sense, until a doctor really does need to remove someone's tongue.

        I have zero desire to fight with you Bill. If you feel otherwise and you need to get the last word in, fine. Otherwise, perhaps a helpful conversation could ensue from this after all.

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        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Derek_Thomas View Post

          Bill, you bring up some valid points, though I still fear you're missing mine. It's not a top 10 list, but rather an "every example I can think of list". The only way it seems to rectify that misunderstanding would be to go item by item and share a detailed case study.

          You're making assumptions as to what I do or don't do for backlinks.

          I am not making any assumptions about you as a person.

          I am making assumptions about the validity of the information your list.

          You made a big stink about my integrity, but where is the integrity in your information? If some of your information is wrong, then it should not be there.

          You will not be using Digg for traffic. Nor will you be using BestOfTheWeb.org or Newsvine for that matter.

          If you were trying to paint this as a SEO list, then you would definitely be out of luck with Squidoo and eHow. But, the best I can tell, you were only talking about building links for traffic. Although most people who talk about "backlinks" are generally doing so for the sake of SEO reasons. (Even the mods thought this was a SEO discussion, because your thread was moved to the SEO sub-forum.)

          All Squidoo links are "nofollow", and even some of the most value-oriented marketers out there are getting their Squidoo Lenses locked and closed without a clear understanding as to why.

          All eHow links are also "nofollow". It sucks for SEO, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility to get some traffic from those pages.

          Yeah, I get that this was not supposed to have been a "best of" list. But I am not sure that you get what Brian and I were actually saying either.

          If you are making recommendations for things that people should do, you should at least make sure that the advice you are offering is current. When you are "brainstorming" or simply "copying" the advice given by others, mistakes will be made and facts will be overlooked -- like BestOfTheWeb.org being a parked domain or Digg not accepting submissions from the public.

          You want to know what I think is positive about your list? Well, here you go... Not all of your information is out-of-date.

          No matter how good-intentioned you might be, if some of your information is bad, I am going to call you on it.
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          • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
            Originally Posted by tpw View Post

            You made a big stink about my integrity, but where is the integrity in your information? If some of your information is wrong, then it should not be there.
            For the record, my "stink" as you call it, had nothing to do with your integrity or lack of, but rather mine. I posted a list, attempting to contribute, and am called a fraud and accused of stealing it. It was my integrity in question, thus the need to defend myself.

            You can call me out on my "bad information" if you like, but that is not the point of this whole argument. The point is I was falsely accused of something I did not do. We can debate the merits of the list all day, but the quality of the information ("quality" according to you that is) is one thing and your and Brian's accusations of theft are another.

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            • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
              Derek,

              Instead of posting shouldn't you be complying with the cease and desist you received to stop using copyrighted material?

              Consider this a third demand to divulge the "friend" who allegedly gave you information you intentionally continue to wrongfully use.

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              • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
                Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                Derek,

                Instead of posting shouldn't you be complying with the cease and desist you received to stop using copyrighted material?

                Consider this a third demand to divulge the "friend" who allegedly gave you information you intentionally continue to wrongfully use.

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                Brian,

                I got your PM about a cease and desist regarding my privacy policy as seen here: http://www.keywordssimplified.com/get-free-keywords/

                One, if my template is similar to yours, I'm sorry. I've got to tell you though, I've never heard of you before yesterday, so any similarities are certainly unintentional.

                Two, the only reason I can see for you to post in this thread is to try to intimidate or bully me. Not only is it not going to work, I find it a little distasteful, unnecessary, and a handful of other things.

                Three, I'm not an attorney but I'm pretty sure I don't have to divulge anything to you.

                Four, I could be wrong, but I'm also not sure a PM and a random thread post is a very respectable or legit way to deliver such notices.

                Five, aren't you supposed to provide some form of proof backing up your claims to copyright? Yes, I used a template for my privacy policy. If that privacy policy template was in fact copyrighted by you and I don't have the rights to it, I don't want to use it. As I've been trying to prove from the very beginning, I'm not a thief. I'd be happy to remove anything that infringes on your rights, but I'm not going to just scrap those pages without certainty that it does it fact belong solely to you and is not, as I thought and was told, meant for public use.

                Six, similar to my point above, in your cease and desist PM for instance, you used a very, very common template. I did the same with my privacy policy. If using that template was in error, I apologize. Please show me proof and I'll change it.

                Seven, again I'll ask, what's the point of posting here in this thread? You've already PMed me. Do you really wish to protect your "rights" or do you wish to do me harm? Is this really about copyright infringement or is this more about you showing to the world what a thief I am? Is this really about upholding your rights, or tarnishing my reputation for reasons unbeknownst to me?

                I wish you the best Brian, but I just don't think this is the time, place, or manner for this.

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                • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
                  OK Derek, I'll guess we'll do this the hard way. DMCA notices will be sent to your web host and domain registrar. Additionally, given your repeated and intentional refusal to remove copyrighted material, whether or not your web host / domain registrar forcibly take down the content all rights are reserved to additionally sue you for copyright infringement.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
                    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                    OK Derek, I'll guess we'll do this the hard way. DMCA notices will be sent to your web host and domain registrar. Additionally, given your repeated and intentional refusal to remove copyrighted material, whether or not your web host / domain registrar forcibly take down the content all rights are reserved to additionally sue you for copyright infringement.

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                    Whatever you need to do Brian. I respectfully brought up 7 valid points above though, points which have gone ignored. My "repeated and intentional refusal" you mentioned stems back a solid one hour to when you first PMed me about this issue. One hour Brian. It's such an interesting spin on words you've crafted there.

                    Bottom line, if my "template" for my privacy policy is your copyrighted work, just show me my friend and I'll gladly remove it. Otherwise, I was just given a template, and I'm using it. If my privacy policy warrants a "lawsuit" (which just seems silly to me), again, whatever you need to do.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

                    OK Derek, I'll guess we'll do this the hard way. DMCA notices will be sent to your web host and domain registrar. Additionally, given your repeated and intentional refusal to remove copyrighted material, whether or not your web host / domain registrar forcibly take down the content all rights are reserved to additionally sue you for copyright infringement.

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                    Alright enough of this. I get in my fair share of arguments in this section () but they are about SEO. If you want to send a DMCA then why not send him a notice without drawing in the whole board?

                    Frankly the whole thing just sounds like sour grapes. You accused him of copying something which it seems you didn't know for sure, he called you out on the accusation, you got angry and now you found something else in some template on his site but anyway both of you can go deal with that elsewhere. I'm no mod but i doubt the board is for issuing legal threats to other members.

                    Now for the SEO part. OP you should generally verify the things that you put on a list work. Its misleading to people who want to learn if its not up to date stuff. However as a regular in this section I don't see or agree with the witch hunt. We get lists that are a bit outdated all the time and yes sometimes its ideas that are from other people we learned along the way. the idea that people don't have to apologize for the original charge of just copying and pasting (provided you didn't) because you got ideas from other places seems off to me but thats their call.

                    As I look through this list I don't even see many regulars to this section and the reason? - the whole hullabaloo is a tempest in a teacup.

                    If i am right its just another reason why I hate SEO threads started in the main section and moved here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Derek_Thomas
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Frankly the whole thing just sounds like sour grapes. You accused him of copying something which it seems you didn't know for sure, he called you out on the accusation, you got angry and now you found something else in some template on his site but anyway both of you can go deal with that elsewhere. I'm no mod but i doubt the board is for issuing legal threats to other members.
                      Mike,

                      Thanks for (hopefully) calming things down a bit for us, and adding a voice of reason to this otherwise overblown situation. I'm happy to talk SEO stuff and it's unfortunate someone decided to play the lawyer card. He did file the complaint. On one hand I guess I could "fight back", but on the other there's plenty of other templates out there. He can't "own" them all, right?

                      Anyway Mike, be well and maybe we can cross paths again soon.

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  • Profile picture of the author bigemperor
    Thanks for the list and I wish you well on your WSO.

    I have seen lists like these and I always wish they had more detail, perhaps your WSO does but it wasn't clear to me in the thread.

    For instance what is the ultimate purpose of each? Passing authority? Passing traffic? Both? Something else? Some of these ideas are time consuming - what is the reward? Are they all current - for instance creating a Hubpage? My recent experiments have found Hubpages to have pretty much lost all their value for me and in one case I suspect even caused G to penalize one of my sites. Yet, I keep seeing people recommend them. So when someone says "create a quality Hubpage," my response is to ask why.

    I do a lot of your suggestions but that doesn't mean I do them right, and in some cases it might be better to not do them. For my strategy, it seems like a huge experimental crap shoot which pays off now and then. More detail on each would make a difference.

    Again, not criticizing your post - I do appreciate it and thank you. It got me thinking about some of my own strategies.

    If anyone knows of a quality WSO or source that is both current and delves into detail the hows and whys of a list like this so we can make informed decisions and plans, I would be interested in knowing. Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    This is interesting, especially when you define ignorance. Nice list, and the follow up, the comments add more insights to this list. But we shouldn't miss the main point/s as we prove as to who is the source. Makes WF more interesting.
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    thanks to share such a very nice and helpful post. This list is really very good.
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    Um, Squidoo and Ehow articles for backlinks? You're joking right? How old is your information anyway?
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      Originally Posted by kislany View Post

      Um, Squidoo and Ehow articles for backlinks? You're joking right? How old is your information anyway?
      I'll save my sarcastic response and simply ask two questions...
      1) Did you actually read the thread?
      2) Are you telling me that you CAN'T use Squidoo for backlinks?

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    Just want to add, whenever you do a link exchange, use NOFOLLOW as precaution.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    ROFL. I don't mean to throw gasoline on the fire but it is kind of funny. On a lark I decided to take a paragraph of privacy policy noted

    privacy policy

    Thats a whole lot of DMCA work for a lawyer
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    This thread is a disgrace. Someone supplied some useful information i had never seen before, and im using it. Why would some keyboard warrior just hijack the thread and throw lawsuits around LOL. Its a template big deal. If he turns this into a legal matter, throw one back at him for deformation of character, just to show him how stupid he sounds.
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      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      This thread is a disgrace. Someone supplied some useful information i had never seen before, and im using it. Why would some keyboard warrior just hijack the thread and throw lawsuits around LOL. Its a template big deal. If he turns this into a legal matter, throw one back at him for deformation of character, just to show him how stupid he sounds.
      Originally Posted by tsgeric View Post

      Thanks for the list. Even before combing through the tempest in the teacup, I took it as you intended,a broad brush of possible places to build links. If some of these are no longer useful, or relevant or possible, that is fine, no harm done, I of course bring my own prior knowledge and experience to this list and can filter as necessary. All in all a useful reference list and thanks for putting it together.
      I had forgotten how silly/ridiculous a couple of certain people can be at times. Thanks for the reminder guys, and for a good laugh this morning. Hope you're able to benefit from the info.

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    A handy list, thanks Derek
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    Originally Posted by Derek_Thomas View Post

    Side note before I get into the backlinks: You'll notice a couple of faithful Warriors felt the need to call me out and accuse me of "copying" this list from another forum. It's all well and good to want to protect the integrity of the WF, and I do applaud that. What I find most frustrating though is even when confronted with the facts (that it was I whose content was stolen and shared, and not the other way around) these same Warriors have grown strangely silent and yet their accusations remain. There are some interesting lessons to be learned. I'll not share them here. I will though just encourage you to actually READ the thread (especially this or this) before you jump on the "Derek's a fraud" bandwagon of ignorance. (Another note: do I really need to define "ignorant"? It's not "stupid", and it's not necessarily an insult. It's just a lack of knowledge, and is definitely exhibited below). Lastly, It's crazy how QUICK these gentlemen were to call me out, but so slow to redact those same comments when shown to be in error. Anyway, life goes on, right? On with the show...

    In my experience, two things have made all the difference in my online niche business:

    1) targeting the right keywords.
    2) building quality backlinks.

    Building links can be tough though, right? Admittedly this is not an exhaustive list (and not all examples are equally effective), but below you'll find at least 60 or so ideas to help you get started building backlinks of your own.

    1. Submit a guest post to other blogs.
    2. Meaningfully comment on niche relevant blogs (in particular, "do-follow" blogs).
    3. Start relevant, quality threads in forums and link back to your blog posts.
    4. Link to your blog in your forum signature and contribute with quality content.
    5. Social bookmarking through StumbleUpon, Digg.com, and others.
    6. Provide testimonials for other marketers and provide your link when doing so.
    7. Create a quality Squidoo lens.
    8. Create a quality HubPage.
    9. Participate in discussion boards such as Quora.com.
    10. Make use of quality blog communities like BlogEngage.com and others.
    11. Ask and answer questions on answer sites like Yahoo Answers with a link to your blog.
    12. Interlink your own blog posts.
    13. Exchange links with other bloggers in your niche.
    14. Submit to quality blogging directories like BestOfTheWeb.org (Edit: Best of the Web Directory)
    15. Submit your blog to top website directories like SoMuch or Dmoz.
    16. Find niche specific directories and submit to them as well.
    17. Ask your friends with websites or blogs to link to you.
    18. Engage with social networking sites like Facebook and Twitter.
    19. Submit RSS feed to aggregators and directories like RSS Network or Plazoo.com.
    20. Make use of quality press releases and submit to sites like NewsVine.com.
    21. Convert blog posts to PDF and submit to document sharing sites like DocStoc.com.
    22. Interview leaders in your niche and give them permission to share the interview.
    23. Ask other bloggers to interview you.
    24. Submit your blog to blog communities like BlogCarnival.com.
    25. Trade articles with other bloggers in your niche (similar to guest posting).
    26. Make use of Google Groups and Yahoo Groups.
    27. Create a Wikipedia page for yourself and your company and include resource links.
    28. Submit your blog to .edu and .gov forums and blogs, especially their resources page.
    29. Submit your blog to Technorati.com.
    30. Run (and even join) a blog contest to attract more links.
    31. Donate to charity sites, and many will link back to you.
    32. Create GREAT content such as in-depth tutorials or free training guides.
    33. Create SHARABLE content such as "101" posts, "7 ways to...", hot trending topics, etc.
    34. Create LINK BAIT content such as about celebrities or about something controversial.
    35. Submit your image to image directories and include a link to your blog.
    36. Make your blog posts easy to share, and reward people for doing so.
    37. Submit your site to any local business directories.
    38. Create quality content on About.com and link to your blog from it.
    39. Create YouTube videos and submit to video sharing sites like Viddler.com.
    40. Submit quality articles to article directories such as EzineArticles.com.
    41. Create quality content on Wordpress.com or Blogger.com and link back to your site.
    42. Offer lots of free downloads on your blog.
    43. Update your blog regularly and this will help you gain traction and popularity.
    44. Create a podcast and submit it to iTunes with a link to your blog from it.
    45. Join the Better Business Bureau.
    46. Make use of online classifieds like Craiglist.
    47. Create a Firefox extension.
    48. Buy older, established sites with already existing links.
    49. Check competitors backlinks and try to replicate.
    50. Create a simple software (or convert an eBook to .exe) and submit to software sites.
    51. Create Memes.
    52. Create eHow articles.
    53. Create an infographic and submit it to sites like Visual.ly.
    54. Find broken links and contact the site owner about replacing the dead link with yours.
    55. Take advantage of Scoop It and get your content aggregated.
    56. Submit your blog to website feedback sites like Concept Feedback.
    57. Sign up for HARO and submit content for backlinks.
    58. Create a small piece of audio and submit it to audio sharing sites likes Reverb Nation.
    59. Paid banner ads.
    60. Create good content about your site or niche and post it to Wiki sites like Wikia.
    61. Make a "sponsored" donation on sites such as Clear Sky Chart and others.
    62. Submit to Google Places.
    63. ...

    Again, not an exhaustive list, but here's what I hope: I hope you see there are many more options that just spam blog comments or throwing up a spun article to an article directory.

    Anyway, hope this helps.

    Best,
    Derek

    P.S. - Maybe you have some more you'd like to add?
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    Originally Posted by royalgalaxy View Post

    and all this method..we have to give it a shot daily...or weekly basis ?
    There's no set answer to this question, and it really depends on how competitive your niche is. If you do proper keyword research it should only take a handful of quality backlinks. The most important lesson I can give you: Whether you build backlinks every day or every week, be consistent.

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  • Profile picture of the author ridgeback
    Thanks Derek,
    As a newbie to IM and article posting I found this list very helpful. BTW, anybody with a name like Derek has to honest and trustworthy.... :-)

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    Thanks for the list. Even before combing through the tempest in the teacup, I took it as you intended,a broad brush of possible places to build links. If some of these are no longer useful, or relevant or possible, that is fine, no harm done, I of course bring my own prior knowledge and experience to this list and can filter as necessary. All in all a useful reference list and thanks for putting it together.
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    Focus on quality of content instead of sources.
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