Any news regarding pagerank update?

11 years ago

Originally Posted by watkip

Hi everybody!

i'm wondering if theres anything announced or clarified regarding the google pagerank update that many speculated to be like a month ago?

best regards , and ofcourse, thanks!

Google cancelled PR out of boredom.

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Google cancelled PR out of boredom.

LOLZ

I'm more of a Page Authority man myself.
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watkip

11 years ago

I assume that nobody knows and it could be happening right now, or now, or , now , or, n...................

? If somebody could enlighten me with what you/they know. So much appreciated from miles away!

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Big Kahuna SEO

11 years ago

Unfortunately the powers that be at Google don't readily share this kind of information... You are just going to have to wait and we'll all find out when it happens and not likely before. The bigger question is why do you even care?

Originally Posted by watkip

I assume that nobody knows and it could be happening right now, or now, or , now , or, n...................

? If somebody could enlighten me with what you/they know. So much appreciated from miles away!

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Marketaire

11 years ago

A formal PR score isn't significant. Just keep analyzing your authority and working to build your reputation. You'll end up where you need to be.

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G.O.A.T

11 years ago

Who cares??? I would worry about Author Authority , that you can update whenever you want

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Hansons

11 years ago

Any way, it is taking time in pr update, lots of webmasters are eagerly waiting for page rank update, specially those who sell or buy links.

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RandySwanston 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Hansons

Any way, it is taking time in pr update, lots of webmasters are eagerly waiting for page rank update, specially those who sell or buy links.

Yep true... PR will only benefit people who are buying and selling links...
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- Hossain 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by RandySwanston
  
  Yep true... PR will only benefit people who are buying and selling links...
  
  Not true.
  
  I am neither buying nor selling links but I used to check PR regularly. For keyword research, for building backlinks, for extending my PBN and the list goes...
  
  I see many marketers have intention to deny power of PR in SEO. To be honest they don't understand how Google ranks pages.
  
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dannyl

11 years ago

If people no longer regard PR as relevant/important, what metric are you using to judge the authority of a website? Just DA/PA?

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dannyl

If people no longer regard PR as relevant/important, what metric are you using to judge the authority of a website? Just DA/PA?

I'm not using any metrics to judge the authority of a website. I'm not God, or Google, after all

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dannyl

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

I'm not using any metrics to judge the authority of a website. I'm not God, or Google, after all

Haha I mean how do people creating backlinks determine what is a good quality link over a bad one now?

For instance I'm sure many people use paid links, if you have 3 to choose from, what metric would you use to help you make that decision? You can of course look at the backlinks but bearing in mind the PR of those backlinks is also pretty out of date now too.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by dannyl

Haha I mean how do people creating backlinks determine what is a good quality link over a bad one now?

For instance I'm sure many people use paid links, if you have 3 to choose from, what metric would you use to help you make that decision? You can of course look at the backlinks but bearing in mind the PR of those backlinks is also pretty out of date now too.

PR used to always be the best metric. Back when PR was the major factor in Google's SERPS it made sense to do it that way.

Now you're going to have to rely on common sense. The PR toolbar is way outdated.

I personally wouldn't completely trust domain or page authority but that's really all you have to go on.

You're going to want the page you get a link from to have a healthy set of backlinks of its own. But really, it's getting to be more of a guessing game. Links that contain exact anchors and don't push any traffic are sort of suspect in today's SEO world.

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dannyl

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

PR used to always be the best metric. Back when PR was the major factor in Google's SERPS it made sense to do it that way.

Now you're going to have to rely on common sense. The PR toolbar is way outdated.

I personally wouldn't completely trust domain or page authority but that's really all you have to go on.

You're going to want the page you get a link from to have a healthy set of backlinks of its own. But really, it's getting to be more of a guessing game. Links that contain exact anchors and don't push any traffic are sort of suspect in today's SEO world.

Yes it does seem like more of a guessing game almost now if Pagerank isn't to be relied upon.
Other than the fact the PR toolbar is so out of date. What is it that has made people so against using PR as a factor nowadays? Looking at a few top 10s for competitive keywords, the PR of that homepage on all of these are high, infact most top 10s I look at tend to have sub pages from homepages with High PR.

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

PR used to always be the best metric. Back when PR was the major factor in Google's SERPS it made sense to do it that way.

But yet they seem to be really active in trying to prevent people from manipulating this now less important factor? Figure that out.

Official Google Webmaster Central Blog: A reminder about selling links that pass PageRank

Nothing new here. The fight against PR links is on. Why bother if its not a major factor.

https://support.google.com/webmaster...er/66356?hl=en

God you said it once already Google. Why are you concentrating so much on this non important factor.
Take down their FB and Twitter pages. That's where they're banking Big.

How can I get examples of bad links to my site? -...

If a site linking to mine gets caught selling...

Why Matt, Because they might be used to pass Page Rank to manipulate SERPs?

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

You're going to want the page you get a link from to have a healthy set of backlinks of its own.

Does linking my two sites together violate the...

Whats that you said Matt? "Will work fine for Googles ranking, because the link will pass Page Rank?

Introduction to PageRank | Google Algorithm |...

PR scoring holds a direct correlation to inbound links. So go figure that one out too. OMG!!!

The floor is open for your rebuttal.
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- Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire
  
  The floor is open for your rebuttal.
  
  As fine a slap down to a theory as I have ever seen Kevin
  
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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

I personally wouldn't completely trust domain or page authority but that's really all you have to go on.

FALSE. There is also Trust Flow from Majestic SEO that when combined with Mozrank, DA and PA does a pretty good job. Frankly in some cases better than pagerank. I'll have a thread about that soon.

Links that contain exact anchors and don't push any traffic are sort of suspect in today's SEO world.

FALSE. Given that lots of traffic does not come through Google, Google has no inbuilt way of determining the amount of traffic flowing through every link. Thats nonsense and obviously a site is not penalized for exact anchors or just about every site would be. Over optimization refers to not having a good mix of other kinds of links not having links with exact anchors.

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tech84

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

FALSE. There is also Trust Flow from Majestic SEO that when combined with Mozrank, DA and PA does a pretty good job. Frankly in some cases better than pagerank. I'll have a thread about that soon.

FALSE. Given that lots of traffic does not come through Google, Google has no inbuilt way of determining the amount of traffic flowing through every link. Thats nonsense and obviously a site is not penalized for exact anchors or just about every site would be. Over optimization refers to not having a good mix of other kinds of links not having links with exact anchors.

not a rebuttal but more of a question, since i see sites who keep their pagerank (even increased in some cases) and maintain good DA and PA, but when you check semrush, a lot of sites have declined drastically (most even to 0) in-spite having maintained DA.

so my question is, can we still hold a site's DA/PA in the same sense of being a good site? ranking and all?

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by tech84

so my question is, can we still hold a site's DA/PA in the same sense of being a good site? ranking and all?

DA and PA by themselves without checking the backlinks can be gamed. Moz tends to to look at quantity of links as well and is tricked by that a bit. Thats why DA and PA are not good enough by themselves (but remember Pagerank had people gaming it too).

Now combine that with Trust Flow from Majestic SEO and I have found if it gets a good score there as well then the link or page is rarely junk (in my experience their citation flow is highly undependable at saying anything valuable about the page or site)

Nothing is 100% without checking backlinks which you should ALWAYS do but we should not expect it to be - Pagerank was and is far from perfect and people game it too.

In fact even when it is updated I will not trust it that pagerank is accurate even then. I've seen too much proof that Google has absolutely no interest in the toolbar being up to date and accurate. The cherry on top of all that proof is the non update for now the better part of this year.
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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by tech84

not a rebuttal but more of a question, since i see sites who keep their pagerank (even increased in some cases) and maintain good DA and PA, but when you check semrush, a lot of sites have declined drastically (most even to 0) in-spite having maintained DA.

so my question is, can we still hold a site's DA/PA in the same sense of being a good site? ranking and all?

I'd agree with Mike, that its always best to look at every metric of domain/page ranking that's made available. Even "Social Signals

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I do really love Trust flow and mark it as a big deciding factor, I'm yet to find a fail using that. But at the end of the day, it's always going to boil back to inbound links and their quality. Most metrics are really just varied reflections of inbound links in some form or other.

Wow that sounds like a lot of checking your thinking.

But check out Netpeak Checker
Netpeak Checker | Free SEO Software by NETPEAK | PR, Alexa, mozTrust, mozRank, Authority and much more

I can't believe the Ruskis put that together and give it away for free.

"Netpeak Checker" can check:

-- PR page - PageRank of the current page;
-- PR main - Main page PageRank;
-- Alexa Rank - website rank according to Alexa.com;
-- Alexa Rank Local - local website rank according to Alexa.com;
-- Alexa Sites Linking - number of websites referring to this domain according to Alexa.com;
-- Bing Outgoing Links - number of outgoing links from this domain according to Bing;
-- Backlinks Ahrefs - website backlinks according to Ahrefs;
-- Language - webpage language;
-- DMOZ - is this domain listed in DMOZ;
-- Backlinks Majesticseo - website backlinks according to MajesticSEO;
-- Domain Merge - is this domain merged;
-- Google Index - number of the website pages indexed by Google;
-- Google Domain Mentions - number of references or text domain mentions;
-- Site links - Site Links in the Google SERP;
-- IP - IP address of the server;
-- Link Stat - Internal/External links on the main page;
-- Subnet - Shows the subnet number;
-- PR page - PageRank of the current page;
-- PR main - Main page PageRank;
-- Referring Domains - number of domains referring to this page according to Ahrefs;
-- Referring Domains MajesticSEO - number of domains referring to this page according to MajesticSEO;
-- Referring IP Addresses Ahrefs - number of the referring IP addresses to this domain according to Ahrefs;
-- Links to this Page - external links referring to this page according to Ahrefs;
-- Text Backlinks - number of text backlinks according to Ahrefs;
-- Server Country - server country;
-- Server Region - server region;
-- SEOmoz Domain Authority - domain Authority according to SEOmoz;
-- Domain mozRank - domain mozRank according to SEOmoz;
-- Domain mozTrust - domain mozTrust according to SEOmoz;
-- SEOmoz Link Count - all links to this page accordint to SEOmoz;
-- SEOmoz Page Authority - page Authority according to SEOmoz;
-- mozRank - page mozRank according to SEOmoz;
-- mozTrust - page mozTrust according to SEOmoz;
-- Diggs - The total number of times this URL has been Digged;
-- FB Comments - the number of FB comments at the current page;
-- FB Likes - the number of times this URL and its FB comments were Liked;
-- FB Shares - the number of times this URL was shared on a personal public Facebook page;
-- FB Total - the total number of FB Likes, FB Shares and FB comments for the current URL;
-- Google +1 - The total number of times this URL has been +1′d;
-- LinkedIn - The total number of times this URL has been shared in LinkedIn;
-- Pins - The total number of times this URL has been Pinned;
-- StumbleUpon - The total number of times this URL has been shared in StumbleUpon;
-- Twitter - The total number of Tweets and re-Tweets of this URL;
-- Status Code - HTTP Header status code;
-- Class C Subnets - number of subnets class C referring to this domain according to Ahrefs;
-- URL - analyzed domain URL;
-- Web.Arch Domain Age - domain age according to Web Archive.org;
-- WhoIs Domain Age - domain age according to Who.is;

Thing runs in my house 24/7. Absolutely love it.

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Hossain 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'll have a thread about that soon.

Lol. I was planning to start a thread on considerable factors beyond PR too, Specially Moz PA and DA.
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Hossain

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

PR used to always be the best metric. Back when PR was the major factor in Google's SERPS it made sense to do it that way.

PR is always one of the major factors. Probably this is one of the major reasons why Google stopped announcing PR publicly.

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Now you're going to have to rely on common sense. The PR toolbar is way outdated.

I personally wouldn't completely trust domain or page authority but that's really all you have to go on.

You're going to want the page you get a link from to have a healthy set of backlinks of its own. But really, it's getting to be more of a guessing game. Links that contain exact anchors and don't push any traffic are sort of suspect in today's SEO world.

Hmm then you have to invest all the year behind backlink analysis. PR was always a good metric to have a quick look on competition, page value etc. As Mike said PA and DA along with trust flow is dependable factor in most cases. I was recommending PA, DA in some of my recent replies as I have been checking these along with PR for such a long time. I have noticed in some cases PA and DA play even better role than PR. The only problem I have noticed is PA and DA can be fooled more easily than PR. In fact Moz is extremely week to analyze quality of backlinks and in most cases depends on amount of backlinks. To solve this problem I usually check PA, DA of some selected backlinks of a page. So its not a guessing game. You have to be little more creative.

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mikelmraz

11 years ago

Is pagerank not going to exist any more?

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jxam69 11 years ago

Originally Posted by mikelmraz

Is pagerank not going to exist any more?

No one outside Google knows the answer right now.
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- mikelmraz 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by jxam69
  
  No one outside Google knows the answer right now.
  
  It is almost like in limbo. It affects the prices some websites can fetch etc.
  
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Hossain 11 years ago

Originally Posted by mikelmraz

Is pagerank not going to exist any more?

Nobody knows for sure except Google officials. PR will be updated contentiously but Google might not disclose the info any more.
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johnsmith789

11 years ago

Google playing hide and seek game on Page Rank....Nothing is confirm yet.

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