I can no longer resist the temptation! (P0RN) :D

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So, i'll try not to make this awkard.

When i'm doing keyword research for my authority sites I often run across porn keywords with VERY little SEO competition. I've been collecting these little nuggets for almost a year now and placing them in an excel file. Thing is, I've now collected so many of them that the porn niche is starting to look very attractive. The fact that most people won't even touch this stuff just makes the temptation even greater.

This seems to be a really taboo subject in the SEO community. The impression that I get when reading the boards is that Google doesn't like these sites at all and even linking to or receiving links from one equals disaster (Katrina style). Unless I can find a good reason not to, my plan as of right now is to build another network soley for this site and monetizing the main one with CPA offers from Peerfly or a dedicated xxx cpa network.

My question is, how does Google really feel about porn sites in terms of rankings and SEO??

Any experiences, advice, do's and do not's, things to watch out for?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

    When i'm doing keyword research for my authority sites I often run across porn keywords
    Yeah...Uh huh....Suuuuuure Dennis...you just run across them by mistake.
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Yeah...Uh huh....Suuuuuure Dennis...you just run across them by mistake.


      edit: No but really I do. I do my keyword research a little different than most people. I don't start with seeds.
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      Originally Posted by markowe View Post

      You will grow hair on the palms of your hands and go blind.
      Perhaps some on his head first. "just kidding" It's for sure a niche that will make $ however is it worth the risk/gamble of pissed of hosts?
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

        because you don't want to spend years ranking for terms that are not converting, here your SEO needs to be the long term investment of your original acquisition cost.
        That's the thing, I won't be spending years trying to rank for anything. 4-6 months at the most. Worse thing that happens is that for some magical reason "traditional" SEO doesn't work and I end up with an extra blog network that I then leverage for something else. If all goes well though I do have a very interesting long term project that i'd like to kick off in this niche. Time will tell..

        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

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        Porn = Great traffic

        Go for it Dennis
        Funny I was just thinking the same thing. I really do need to put something in that sig. Anybody want to rent some space??

        Originally Posted by Fast List Pro View Post

        Perhaps some on his head first. "just kidding" It's for sure a niche that will make $ however is it worth the risk/gamble of pissed of hosts?
        If it comes to that and I see the potential then i'm sure there's some outrageously expensive porn host that will accept me. Worse come to worse i'll just pay a friend of mines to host on his server that he runs. Just another plus of living so close to silicon valley.
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  • Personally I'd never get into the porn niche for moral reasons, but if you're going to anyway (which I don't recommend) there is one thing I'd consider.

    The .xxx TLD. I think once that takes off it is going to be a game changer for porn related SEO. I am guessing that Google and the other 'legit' search engines will stop putting non .xxx TLDs in their normal SERPs to a large extent.

    Of course, I could be wrong. I don't follow the porn industry or the 'adult' niche in any way. I do, however, see a lot of people getting more and more upset with the fact that their kids (and husbands?) are 'finding' porn sites in search results 'unintentionally'. With the .xxx domain it will be much easier for search engines to give the porn to people who obviously want it, while keeping it away from the eyes of those who don't.

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      Originally Posted by Michael Levanduski View Post

      Of course, I could be wrong. I don't follow the porn industry or the 'adult' niche in any way. I do, however, see a lot of people getting more and more upset with the fact that their kids (and husbands?) are 'finding' porn sites in search results 'unintentionally'. With the .xxx domain it will be much easier for search engines to give the porn to people who obviously want it, while keeping it away from the eyes of those who don't.

      Michael
      Funny you should mention finding porn sites in search results. I have no idea about PR, but they are easily indexed and if you search you will find them on google, so I am not sure what they are trying to do.

      Funny thing happened to me. I just started my Fantasy Football League and the name of my team is Green Bears blah blah. Well in looking for a fast logo, i decided to go to google images and did a search for "Green Bears" and boy was I surprised. halfway down I am see some pics of very freaky gay porn. Hell saw a big man painted green naked....uuuuughhh...

      Funny (or thankful) thing about it is that when I try and search it again (for the sake of this message) it's gone....

      Maybe google was tracking me. After all they finally made it public that nothing is private with them.....
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post


    My question is, how does Google really feel about porn sites in terms of rankings and SEO??
    I have experience in that niche, what exactly do you want to know?

    To rank for competitive niches you need your own network, backlinks are the most important thing, PR, etc.... the most important think is that you realize what are some of the myths and realitities of SEO and MMO.

    I have known several adult webmasters and most of them are the coolest guys you can ever talk to, there is money to be made here, it is tough and very fun.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    The funny thing that most people do not realize is that most of the 'innovative' ideas in internet marketing and SEO came from the porn industry. Keyword stuffing, email marketing, membership websites, video marketing, link exchanges, image optimization, pop ups (the ads, not anything else), etc... they all were done in porn first.

    From a strictly objective point of view, you can learn a lot from the industry. Think about. This is an entire billion dollar industry that had no choice but to figure out how to market itself on the internet. They cannot advertise in newspapers, on television, through billboards, etc. All the 'traditional' forms of advertising were not an option for them.

    As for how search engines feel about the websites... they still rank them, don't they? Their answer to the porn industry really is the safe search feature, but I highly doubt they would ever kick them out of the index.

    I have not worked in the niche, but I have talked to a lot of people who have. You really need to have your own network in that niche. It is also a great to make some connections within the market for traffic and link exchanges.

    What I have never dug into is where they get their content, outside of shooting their own, but I am sure that gets expensive. Is there a stock photo site for them? I have no clue about any of that.
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    • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      What I have never dug into is where they get their content, outside of shooting their own, but I am sure that gets expensive. Is there a stock photo site for them? I have no clue about any of that.
      You dont shoot your own, unless that is your line of work, most of the content is licenced content (most of the sites have the same content, just every webmaster packages to different niches), you know people on trade shows and by recomendations of other webmasters, just like this forum is for MMO GFY.com is the place to hand around for discusison on adult matters and some people sell their content there.

      As you said there is a TON to learn from the industry, from marketing to operations, monetization, traffic, etc... if people were more open minded they would learn a lot... just to give you an example: people in this forum discuss endessly about duplicate content and 300 words article minimum to rank, so how the porn industry can rank sites if all the content is the same (licensed to the same people) and most of them just put images or videos on their sites?, if you are willing to learn and you have the maturity to appreciate what the industry have to offer (no pun intended ) then it is a great place to learn in a month what most people will take a life time to understand
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

        You dont shoot your own, unless that is your line of work, most of the content is licenced content (most of the sites have the same content, just every webmaster packages to different niches), you know people on trade shows and by recomendations of other webmasters, just like this forum is for MMO GFY.com is the place to hand around for discusison on adult matters and some people sell their content there.

        As you said there is a TON to learn from the industry, from marketing to operations, monetization, traffic, etc... if people were more open minded they would learn a lot... just to give you an example: people in this forum discuss endessly about duplicate content and 300 words article minimum to rank, so how the porn industry can rank sites if all the content is the same (licensed to the same people) and most of them just put images or videos on their sites?, if you are willing to learn and you have the maturity to appreciate what the industry have to offer (no pun intended ) then it is a great place to learn in a month what most people will take a life time to understand
        Yeah, looks like a fun day at the office every day in that market.
        I don't see the moral side of the argument people make. If I don't do it, someone else will. The world is market driven, so giving people the best of what they are looking for. In an attempt by me to get paid, is the reason we are all here.

        I've never met a guy who works in a Chocolate factory, who loves eating Chocolate all day.
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Yeah, looks like a fun day at the office every day in that market.
          I don't see the moral side of the argument people make. If I don't do it, someone else will.
          If I don't work as a hit man for hire, someone else will. Guess that means murder isn't a moral issue, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
            Originally Posted by mrkitty View Post

            If I don't work as a hit man for hire, someone else will. Guess that means murder isn't a moral issue, lol.
            You are confusing a moral issue with a criminal one, and just because something is forbiden it does not make it unlawful, example in Canada it is forbiden to take peanut butter sandwiches at some schools, but that does not make the kids that brings the peanut butter sandwiches criminals, nor it makes the sandwiches less delicious.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      From a strictly objective point of view, you can learn a lot from the industry. Think about. This is an entire billion dollar industry that had no choice but to figure out how to market itself on the internet. They cannot advertise in newspapers, on television, through billboards, etc. All the 'traditional' forms of advertising were not an option for them.t.
      From a strictly objective marketing stand point porn is easy to sell and requires no real innovation. No more than Crack cocaine, prostitution or anything else that has an immediate physical pleasure as a pay off. Built in male market that is driven by a primal urge that requires little else than a provocative picture to attract attention.

      Its not rocket science and I can't think of a single thing to learn from that industry that translates over well to say selling shoes that isn't already known.

      Anyway yeah as for the SEO part of it - you have to go full fledge. You cannot cross over existing link properties. Porn and gambling are two definite "bad neighborhoods) as far as Google is concerned.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        So I dug around a bit last night before falling asleep (and drooling all over my keyboard) and found some really interesting info. Interesting enough to make me rethink some of the generally accepted guidelines when it comes to private blog networking.

        One article in particular is from a company that supposedly does domain acquisitions. Worth a read:

        Snippet: Porn SEO: An Accidental Success
        There are many differing opinions out there on how to properly format your site for SEO. One of the big things I’ve always read is to stay away from getting links from bad neighborhoods. This little accidental experiment seems to put that whole idea on its head. When I saw where some of the links were coming from, I was frankly, a little disappointed that Google was giving so much weight to links coming from the areas of the web I was seeing. Perhaps Google’s “Do No Evil” mantra isn’t quite all it is cracked up to be, especially in the realm of Pornography SEO.
        h**p://roi(DOT)me/porn-seo/

        My first thought was that maybe these guys are biased and have something to sell, but I can see no reason for wanting to sell porn sites to their client base. And as I thought a little more about the scenario it does seem plausible, if not likely.

        For example, we can buy domains at auction and change the niches no problem without devaluing the strength of the domain. If this is true (which it is), then it holds that we'd be able to do the same for a domain in the porn niche. Unless of course Google really does arbitrarily penalize/devalue porn sites, in which case that's the info i'm looking for. (I seriously doubt it though)

        Another point is that I see a lot of "good" high pr domains available that noone will touch simply because they have incoming porn links or used to be a porn site itself. The general consensus is to stay away from them. But i'm thinking that perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea after all to snatch these up and re purpose...
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

        I have experience in that niche, what exactly do you want to know?

        To rank for competitive niches you need your own network, backlinks are the most important thing, PR, etc.... the most important think is that you realize what are some of the myths and realitities of SEO and MMO.
        You hit it right on the head with the myths and realities, which is more along the lines of what i'm digging for. I admit this is like opening pandoras box. The more I did into the niche the more i'm finding myself rethinking some of the commonly held ideals and beliefs about SEO in general such as the bad neighborhood and domain buying example I posted above.

        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        The funny thing that most people do not realize is that most of the 'innovative' ideas in internet marketing and SEO came from the porn industry. Keyword stuffing, email marketing, membership websites, video marketing, link exchanges, image optimization, pop ups (the ads, not anything else), etc... they all were done in porn first.

        From a strictly objective point of view, you can learn a lot from the industry. Think about. This is an entire billion dollar industry that had no choice but to figure out how to market itself on the internet. They cannot advertise in newspapers, on television, through billboards, etc. All the 'traditional' forms of advertising were not an option for them.

        As for how search engines feel about the websites... they still rank them, don't they? Their answer to the porn industry really is the safe search feature, but I highly doubt they would ever kick them out of the index.

        I have not worked in the niche, but I have talked to a lot of people who have. You really need to have your own network in that niche. It is also a great to make some connections within the market for traffic and link exchanges.
        In addition to being a billion dollar industry, these are some of the most traffic sites on the internet, period. Even beating social media. I think you and Mike Anthony both have good points on this one as far as the innovation aspect goes. The porn industry does (from what i'm seeing) seem to lead the way in terms of innovation. Similar to how we now have a lot of cool civilian technology due to the hard work put in by the space program. To make things even better is that even being in the industry requires you to think outside the box (even more) when it comes to SEO, because let's face it, there aren't too many quality sites willing to link to an adult site. Of course thinking outside of the box is never a bad thing, something we should all be aiming to do anyway.

        And to Mikes point, you're right. Once you get the traffic the content literally sales itself. Only thing really left to do is optimize as much as you can for conversions. I'll definitely be going full fledged, albeit a bit slowly. As of right now my plan is to create a site and rank one of those keywords with a dedicated network. Shouldn't take too many domains seeing as how little competition there is. If everything works as it should then i'll just keep reinvesting and expanding unto infinity.

        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Yeah, looks like a fun day at the office every day in that market.

        I've never met a guy who works in a Chocolate factory, who loves eating Chocolate all day.
        I have too many witty replies for that one, can't pick one.


        edit: Once i've build a decent sized network i'm also toying with offering adult seo services, but only to trustworthy people that i'm networked with or have been scrutinized very heavily and vouched for. A LOT of money to be made there and virtually no competition. Could even charge a lot more. Not to mention the relative ease of domain buying.
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      • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
        I dont want you to think I am trying to make a case for the adult industry, I just see there is a lot of prejudice and mis information around it but if you are critical enough you will realize it is just like any other market... anyway, I am not trying to convience anybody about anything but I want to point out a couple of misconceptions that were put by a warrior I respect.

        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        From a strictly objective marketing stand point porn is easy to sell and requires no real innovation. No more than Crack cocaine, prostitution or anything else that has an immediate physical pleasure as a pay off. Built in male market that is driven by a primal urge that requires little else than a provocative picture to attract attention.
        This is an oversimplification of the industry, if the primal urges were the only real motive you need to make a market profitable then the leaders on the e-commerce industry would be super markets... because food is such a basic and primal object BUT the only super markets I know are profitable are the ones working on a local area or with a very niche specific needs where high prices are justified other than that they are almost non existant.

        Besides that, the reasons above exposed is what makes the industry EXTREMELY COMPETITIVE, that everybody thinks that with a naked picture or a sex video they can make money online.... on the contrary... I want to know how many industries will survive when 99.99% of the consumers or prospects are not willing to pay for your product or service... I think that just that point of view can be extremely useful to anybody in business, imagine that everybody can produce what you sell and that most of the times can be found fo free... What do you need to do add to your service/product that makes people to pay you money for it?.... that simple question is a question that most business owners never even consider asking.... and is a question the adult industry lives with.


        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Its not rocket science and I can't think of a single thing to learn from that industry that translates over well to say selling shoes that isn't already known.
        This quote is based on the assumption that everybody that is on the e-commerce business or in the internet marketing arena knows the principles the adult industry have, and that simply is not true, things such as pop unders and cross-selling are simply non existant in entire business segments, the adult industry is one where competitors, partners and clients are all mixed and everybody is looking for new ways to get the highest amount of dollars per clients while in other industries they dont even "talk" to their competition, and lets not even talk about offer complementary offers, or JV ventures.

        As I said I am not trying to change anybodies opinion or trying to preach the virtues of a certain industry, but I want to share some facts... and analyze them and not to give just opinions.
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          Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

          This is an oversimplification of the industry, if the primal urges were the only real motive you need to make a market profitable then the leaders on the e-commerce industry would be super markets... because food is such a basic and primal object BUT the only super markets I know are profitable are the ones working on a local area or with a very niche specific needs where high prices are justified other than that they are almost non existant.
          Pat that observation lacks a great deal of depth and with all due respect is just awful awful logic. Food is a perishable physical product. you cannot consume it online (you can put it on your keyboard but thats sloppy )

          If food could be delivered digitally you are darn tooting sure it would be huge. every local food chain would fold if you could materialize a hamburger, fries and a shake in your home or from your laptop. Its a primal urge that CANNOT be satiated Online so the comparison is dead in the water.

          that simple question is a question that most business owners never even consider asking.... and is a question the adult industry lives with.
          Perhaps. I have no dispute that it must now be extremely competitive but thats not the same as saying its innovative as an industry.

          pop unders and cross-selling are simply non existant in entire business segments, the adult industry is one where competitors, partners and clients are all mixed and everybody is looking for new ways to get the highest amount of dollars per clients while in other industries they dont even "talk" to their competition, and lets not even talk about offer complementary offers, or JV ventures.
          Well I know this is an Im board but so far this is the only "innovation" I think might standup to scrutiny but then its how to use javascript to pop up unwanted windows so I am just not impressed at that as an innovation. As for cross selling with other businesses thats wrong. Companies have done that for years. The reason why there is less "talking" to competition in other businesses is because they ARE in direct competition. Most people are going to buy one or maybe two cars to drive thats it. so the company is fighting for that one purchase or purchases of the same product offering. A porn customer is likely to view a variety of models and sizes. So in truth you are NOT in direct competition unless you are all showing the same people


          but I want to share some facts... and analyze them and not to give just opinions.
          Sorry I see no more facts in your post than mine. You just gave your opinion. Selling sex is probably the oldest profession in the world. You want to do it? hey its legal but I aint buying that these are the business innovators everyone should learn from.

          Innovators are Steve Jobs, innovative companies are companies that gave the world things that are different. Call me when the porn industry comes up with a new body part that guys or gals love. cause ahem the last time I checked I didn't see anything my great great grandfather wold have smiled at and asked - whaaaats that? or I wouldn't be here.


          Frankly its just alot of hooey to put a sophisticated spin on the industry. Yes it takes business acumen to do any business with competition but thats not innovation thats just marketing and organization like any business. Its a business. Simple. Nothing above any other business and nothing where the rest of the business world has to take notice. Nothing special with a built in base of human desires to start from.
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          • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Pat that observation lacks a great deal of depth and with all due respect is just awful awful logic. Food is a perishable physical product. you cannot consume it online (you can put it on your keyboard but thats sloppy )

            If food could be delivered digitally you are darn tooting sure it would be huge. every local food chain would fold if you could materialize a hamburger, fries and a shake in your home or from your laptop. Its a primal urge that CANNOT be satiated Online so the comparison is dead in the water.
            Mike I think you misunderstood my point, I am not talking about "digital fries and hamburguers"my point was, not because a primal urges is behind your market it is going to make it any easier or profitable, yes a primal urge may give you an easier time selling the product you are trying to sell, but it is not sufficient to backup your business idea, because as reality has shown us, what happens in this markets is that everything gets comoditized and the prices erode.

            Even with such a primal urge as hungry as the driver force of your market that does not make it "easier" I agree than the deliverable method on the porn industry may be digital and that you can't deliver "fries" via modem, but that is another issue... that is how are you going to deliver your product to the buyers, and following the same logic (delivering physical products and not digital ones) the escort agencies are still more profitable than any ecommerce focusing on selling food, there is not a single viable supermarket or restaurant or any business which primary need is hunger that has any level of success as the sex industry in any form (digital content, physical content, escorts, etc..) so even if both are guided by primal instincts the porn industry has been able to create a way better business model.... so a profitable industry does not lie just on the base that it needs to be driven by a primal instinct.

            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Perhaps. I have no dispute that it must now be extremely competitive but thats not the same as saying its innovative as an industry.



            Well I know this is an Im board but so far this is the only "innovation" I think might standup to scrutiny but then its how to use javascript to pop up unwanted windows so I am just not impressed at that as an innovation. As for cross selling with other businesses thats wrong. Companies have done that for years. The reason why there is less "talking" to competition in other businesses is because they ARE in direct competition. Most people are going to buy one or maybe two cars to drive thats it. so the company is fighting for that one purchase or purchases of the same product offering. A porn customer is likely to view a variety of models and sizes. So in truth you are NOT in direct competition unless you are all showing the same people
            I don't want to get into an onthological discussion defining what we mean by innovation, nevertheless I want to point out that inovations does not just focus on technology it may be a process or a point of view, so here my point is... when you are able to surpass the initial focus that your "competitors" are your competitors and may be you start thinking in ways to maximize customer value, that is to me an important innovation... and the first place I saw it was on the porn business (at least on line)... even today you see here people talking about their "competitors"... I bet you that if you analyze your strenghts and see your "competitors" strenghts you may realize that your actual prospects that are not buying from you may benefit from your "competitors" services, talk to him and offer him a deal to send him the prospects that dont fit your philosophy or your vision..... your goal should be to maximize your benefits by serving as much people as you can... not to "destroy your competitors", and even with the pop under example how many people here dont you see bitching about them?... when the real question you should ask is..."are these pop unders increase my buttom line"? if the answer is yes.... so go for it... another "inovation" I have seen that is just getting in mainstream is what is called "all you can see buffet".... several people join efforts and sell montlhy suscriptions and you give access to a HUGE amount of products/services to the people you sell, the client can pick/chose any products they wanted, but you just get pay if the customer is captured on one of your landing pages/ sales pages how many of IM would be willing to do this? or How many of them are doing it?.. to me that is an inovation of the porn industry... I may be wrong and I invite you to let me know please.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sorry I see no more facts in your post than mine. You just gave your opinion. Selling sex is probably the oldest profession in the world. You want to do it? hey its legal but I aint buying that these are the business innovators everyone should learn from.
            You are right that from the perspective you took my comments there is no base to consider my post any righter than yours, BUT what I was trying to say is that no other industry with a primal inscting as the base of their business have thriven further than the porn industry.... and I was waiting for some examples that may change the facts... the way I though I was giving facts and no opinions was that there is no other business model that is making a killing on the net than the porn business...the fact I was talking about was our experiences, reality... but again there may be some other busines model on the net based on human needs that is doing better than porn that I may not know.. I am open to change my opinion with the right proof.

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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by patadeperro View Post

              there is not a single viable supermarket or restaurant or any business which primary need is hunger that has any level of success as the sex industry in any form (digital content, physical content, escorts, etc..) so even if both are guided by primal instincts the porn industry has been able to create a way better business model...
              Pat that argument makes no sense whatsoever unless you believe that Porn consumption exceeds food consumption which would be crazy. You have so many fatal flaws to your logic its hard to pick them all out. Another glaring one is that you just tried to compare the porn INDUSTRY to individual supermarkets rather than the food industry. Thats like comparing a whole apple to orange seeds. Overall the food industry as a primal need industry kicks the pants off ( pun intended) the Porn industry. Thats PRECISELY why your food comparison dies so quickly to anyone who thinks and why my rebuttal with the food industry not being electronically deliverable WAS right on the money. You are trying desperately to claim that the primal urge for porn didn't make it a lock (as an industry) to be successful on the net when it is the only primal urge that can be satisfied (mostly to men who are more visual) through electronic media. It just fails miserable on logical grounds



              you start thinking in ways to maximize customer value, that is to me an important innovation... and the first place I saw it was on the porn business (at least on line)
              Then you must be blind. The first people to do that online were universities and medical research both commercial businesses. They shared data and research to maximize customer value. Plus all Porn providers do NOT sell the same product. That would mean the same actors, models and strippers. Business offline and online have for decades suggested customers to other related products they did not carry.

              Besides the innovation that many in this thread already mentioned WERE technological. Sorry pat The whole argument just does not work when examined closely on any logical level.


              he client can pick/chose any products they wanted, but you just get pay if the customer is captured on one of your landing pages/ sales pages how many of IM would be willing to do this? or How many of them are doing it?.. to me that is an inovation of the porn industry... I may be wrong and I invite you to let me know please.
              Pat please. Thats just packaging a group of related services. its kind of desperate to list that as some great innovation of the porn industry. Its a tweak to a sales process. You are right we have two definition of real innovation.
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    "Do not spent so much time in the bed oh my dear friend, only Prostitutes can make money there"
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    And when it comes to SEO, Google ranks these sites based on competition...if Google indexes adult content then the ranking has to be shown anywhere in the SERP and it is all about Competition. So I don't see any different by from Google.. Yes, it may be hard for your to promote your porn site as you have restrictions a lot but this is all about competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author Henlus
    I think most search engines are kicking against porn site, though not effectively. I'll never go into such a niche b'cos after IM in this world, I am looking forward to eternal. I won't sell my soul to Satan for a loave of bread.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Henlus View Post

      I won't sell my soul to Satan for a loave of bread.
      How about a salad?
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        How about a salad?
        Go to bed Dennis, you're drunk.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    I run a PR3 softcore adult entertainment blog. Do quite nice with it. If you are talking the hard stuff I have no idea.
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    I have sites in the adult niche. You're pretty much going to be using your own private network, paid links, and media buys.

    It can be very profitable if you know what you're doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Dennis is playing all of you. This thread is just a cover so if his girl catches him on porn sites he can say

    "but baby see its for work" :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Dennis is playing all of you. This thread is just a cover so if his girl catches him on porn sites he can say

      "but baby see its for work" :rolleyes::rolleyes:
      Well if that's the case.

      DENNIS

      If anyone asks you about this site. We are doing a JV right? I'm the eh? Video Approval Moderator
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Well if that's the case.

        DENNIS

        If anyone asks you about this site. We are doing a JV right?

        Ummm...Yeah that will help.......Caught looking at porn and then she reads that some guy named Kevin is offering to do something called a JV with him. hmmm wonder what she'll think that is? and why it is that a video is involved with JVing?
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

    I run a PR3 softcore adult entertainment blog. Do quite nice with it. If you are talking the hard stuff I have no idea.
    I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean by "hard stuff". Hard as in difficult or...

    Either way, I've decided to make more of a community based XXX story site where members can post their own stories. Decided on this because I have quite a few keywords related to that in addition to video being quite expensive.

    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Dennis is playing all of you. This thread is just a cover so if his girl catches him on porn sites he can say

    "but baby see its for work" :rolleyes::rolleyes:
    Hey that actually happened, and she still won't let me live that down. She even spot checks history and everything now.

    Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

    Well if that's the case.

    DENNIS

    If anyone asks you about this site. We are doing a JV right? I'm the eh? Video Approval Moderator
    lol Don't worry Kevin, you can take the load off my hands
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Quick notice to self.

      Once the word Porn appears in a thread title regardless of anything else the thread will eventually be all about Porn.
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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean by "hard stuff". Hard as in difficult or...

      Either way, I've decided to make more of a community based XXX story site where members can post their own stories. Decided on this because I have quite a few keywords related to that in addition to video being quite expensive.

      sorry, I'll clarify: hardcore. I don't have sex on the blog but I have nudity. You can get away with a lot with just nudity but sex acts turn you instantly into a "hardcore porn" site and yes search engines put up with those but hate them and that means all other webmasters hate them too. Getting links is a bitch.

      with softcore especially with something like you are doing (text based?) you have room to manuever and can get links if you are creative.

      I have a legitimate (in the eyes of google because of PR) site with privacy policy and copyright and all that legal crap. I just have T&A on it too because you bet it gets hits
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      • Profile picture of the author fortony
        Not sure how Google feels about porn, but you are not competing with Google, you are competing with other porn sites. Unless the holier-than-thou crowd somehow gets them to stop matching porn keywords to what Google thinks is the most relevant results, I imagine ranking for porn keywords is pretty much the same as ranking for anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author zorag
    Stay away from porn..!

    The market is now just for the big guys who are established, and Google will rank down any new sites. Trust me.. I've been in porn for years, I've been involved in developing hundreds of sites and I know the crack!

    I can sell you some custom SEO designed sites right now with thousands spent on them all with original FULL HD titles and SEO content.. cheap! They don't profit because of all the free HD tube sites etc.. etc.. plus affiliate signups are crap, it's gone by the wayside - no money..

    Also there are new laws coming in, classification and censorship to protect children and extreme porn like rape/violence/bestiality etc.. it's already started in the UK!

    Porn = a truly sorry state of affairs!

    STAY AWAY - UNLESS YOU ENJOY THROWING AWAY YOUR MONEY!
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by zorag View Post

      Stay away from porn..!

      The market is now just for the big guys who are established, and Google will rank down any new sites. Trust me.. I've been in porn for years, I've been involved in developing hundreds of sites and I know the crack!

      I can sell you some custom SEO designed sites right now with thousands spent on them all with original FULL HD titles and SEO content.. cheap! They don't profit because of all the free HD tube sites etc.. etc.. plus affiliate signups are crap, it's gone by the wayside - no money..

      Also there are new laws coming in, classification and censorship to protect children and extreme porn like rape/violence/bestiality etc.. it's already started in the UK!

      Porn = a truly sorry state of affairs!

      STAY AWAY - UNLESS YOU ENJOY THROWING AWAY YOUR MONEY!
      Interesting. I see you mentioned seo "designed", but were you doing any offsite SEO? And what types of keywords were you targeting (competition level). I find it hard to beleive that Google would treat these sites any different from "regular" sites, but it would begin to explain why there's literally no competition for some of the keywords that I have. It's almost as if the SERP for them were completely wiped out and I'm now looking at the wreckage. I can imagine there being plenty of competition for these at some point in time, until the sleeping beast awakened. Starting to sound like a horror movie here, were you the only survivor?? lol
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  • Profile picture of the author zorag
    Yes, yes and yep... there are few survivors in porn, just plenty of wreckage.

    BTW: If your thinking of using Google for keywords.. forget it.. by the time you've accumulated your keys and SEO'd your sites (onsite/offsite) be prepared to receive a crap load of LQ countries..

    There are powerful people in porn, and it goes all the way up to the top.. If your still tempted, best thing would be for you to get it out of your system and learn the hard way! Unless you have millions $$$ to spend.. that talks!

    Good muck..
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      I run a PR3 softcore adult entertainment blog. Do quite nice with it. If you are talking the hard stuff I have no idea.
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      Dennis is playing all of you. This thread is just a cover so if his girl catches him on porn sites he can say

      "but baby see its for work" :rolleyes::rolleyes:
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Well if that's the case.

      DENNIS

      If anyone asks you about this site. We are doing a JV right? I'm the eh? Video Approval Moderator
      Originally Posted by zorag View Post

      Yes, yes and yep... there are few survivors in porn, just plenty of wreckage.

      BTW: If your thinking of using Google for keywords.. forget it.. by the time you've accumulated your keys and SEO'd your sites (onsite/offsite) be prepared to receive a crap load of LQ countries..

      There are powerful people in porn, and it goes all the way up to the top.. If your still tempted, best thing would be for you to get it out of your system and learn the hard way! Unless you have millions $$$ to spend.. that talks!

      Good muck..

      I've already collected a decent amount of keywords to get me started, all with little to no competition and receiving an average of 1,500 exact searches here in the United States. Should be able to rank most of them within a month or so depending on how much time I can devote to building a dedicated network behind it. I'm not a millionaire (yet ) but I do have a sizable monthly budget to throw at it if things go well. As for the "powerful" people, i'll meet em when I meet em. Although I do enjoy pissing in peoples cereal i'd rather team up and break sh*t together.

      Still curious though as to how you were doing your linkbuilding since you said your sites were pretty much wiped out and blamed it on a supposedly phantom algorithm. Any spammy links? (wikis, blog comments etc.) How can you be so sure that you weren't hit by one of the other more general updates that were rolled out recently? Not saying the 100% anti adult algorithm doesn't exist, just wouldn't hurt to collect some info from those who say they've been there done that.
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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post


        Still curious though as to how you were doing your linkbuilding.
        Since my site features informational content with nudity it has a purpose. Its not just pic after pic after pic of boobs like a tumblr blog or something like that. I just illustrate articles and reviews with explicit pics and vids. The information is targeted to adults (mainly guys) and is sexual so seeing an actual nude pic is not that big of a stretch and thats the angle I work.

        I try to get this point across to other bloggers and webmasters assuring everything is legal and sending them proof of that on request. A lot of times I don't get links but sometimes I do this part is sales really. good emails, phone calls, whatever you can to reach them.

        I guess THINK what you are doing and PLAN AHEAD

        so you got keywords. do you plan on making the content yourself? Could you even make the content yourself with the keywords you're targeting hahaha?

        is that why it's text based?

        so you will be using recycled content most likely when it comes to pics and vids (even though its a story site pics and vids are INCREDIBLY USEFUL for marketing if not for on-site content and you will want to use them one way or another)

        anti-adult algorithm? hahah if Google doesnt want to index a porn site then they dont. go google porn into google and google images and lets test out this "anti-adult algorithm" hahah

        That zorag dude seems to be thinking from the perspective of the producer haha...

        I wouldnt try to start into the biz the old fashioned way in 2013 or start some generic traditional porn paysite but with all the free content thats out there its actually pretty easy to make a few bucks from recycled free content to the unknowing and impatient online and even more if you can get enough content together (or create it) and niche out your own adult themed site like I have

        Good luck!
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        • Profile picture of the author Mark Maffei
          Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

          Since my site features informational content with nudity it has a purpose. Its not just pic after pic after pic of boobs like a tumblr blog or something like that. I just illustrate articles and reviews with explicit pics and vids. The information is targeted to adults (mainly guys) and is sexual so seeing an actual nude pic is not that big of a stretch and thats the angle I work.

          I try to get this point across to other bloggers and webmasters assuring everything is legal and sending them proof of that on request. A lot of times I don't get links but sometimes I do this part is sales really. good emails, phone calls, whatever you can to reach them.

          I guess THINK what you are doing and PLAN AHEAD

          so you got keywords. do you plan on making the content yourself? Could you even make the content yourself with the keywords you're targeting hahaha?

          is that why it's text based?

          so you will be using recycled content most likely when it comes to pics and vids (even though its a story site pics and vids are INCREDIBLY USEFUL for marketing if not for on-site content and you will want to use them one way or another)

          anti-adult algorithm? hahah if Google doesnt want to index a porn site then they dont. go google porn into google and google images and lets test out this "anti-adult algorithm" hahah

          That zorag dude seems to be thinking from the perspective of the producer haha...

          I wouldnt try to start into the biz the old fashioned way in 2013 or start some generic traditional porn paysite but with all the free content thats out there its actually pretty easy to make a few bucks from recycled free content to the unknowing and impatient online and even more if you can get enough content together (or create it) and niche out your own adult themed site like I have

          Good luck!
          Spot on. To take it one step further, the standard IM conventions still apply. Curated, laser-targeted niche content goes much further toward generating sales. It sounds as if your PR3 blog that is doing quite well is at least partially targeted / curated. Also, the more woman-friendly the site, the better it will do regardless of the engines (i.e. erotica .vs porn).

          It also sounds as if your blog caters more to erotica than actual porn. Women aren't typically interested in smut mags, yet romance novels still sell quite well.

          @Dennis: Your best bet is to focus on either extremely focused micro-niches ("collector" types, for example) or erotica that appeals to women, and tailor your offers accordingly. Free tube sites have all but wiped out profitability, otherwise.
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  • Profile picture of the author zorag
    It's not about SEO and keywords dude.... it's not what I'm getting at!

    Bottom line.. the industry doesn't need any more free porn galleries, cruddy tube sites, and your "dedicated network".. that's already killed it for many people in the industry!

    If all newbies are going to do is litter the adult web with free crap then it's going to make it worse.. because it's on it's arse as it is!

    Many have lost their businesses and income due to this!!

    That's all...
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by zorag View Post

      It's not about SEO and keywords dude.... it's not what I'm getting at!

      Bottom line.. the industry doesn't need any more free porn galleries, cruddy tube sites, and your "dedicated network".. that's already killed it for many people in the industry!

      If all newbies are going to do is litter the adult web with free crap then it's going to make it worse.. because it's on it's arse as it is!

      Many have lost their businesses and income due to this!!

      That's all...
      It's about traffic, and SEO combined with good keyword research is how I plan to get it, at least initially. And dedicated networks killing the industry? My god you're starting to sound worried. Its good to see that small guys are taking a peice of the pie. But please do keep telling me about how I'm going to destroy the industry, sounds like fun. And thanks for chiming in, but you're not really saying anything. (Other than don't do it)
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        " as far as the innovation aspect goes. The porn industry does (from what i'm seeing) seem to lead the way in terms of innovation. "

        Bleh. Sorry I am calling Mike's list of innovations for the craptacular side. Porn did not innovate video on the internet they merely used the technology of others who did. Companies Like Macromedia and Quicktime did that. Link exchanges were around before Porn was even feasible on 14.4k modems (it was a big deal when sites had animated gifs). In fact link exchanges were how people found things before search engines took off. Memberships were in force for decades offline. They were called subscriptions and it was hardly an innovation to bring them online. Magazine subscriptions are basically membership sites and email lists are no different than mail order was to addresses.

        The innovation in Porn is an overstatement . Plain and simple. You got into the game early and had the financial backing you could make a dime I will take it that making it now when there is so much competition takes alot of work becase of that competition but innovative? No..... Strippers were around long before the internet.
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        • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          " as far as the innovation aspect goes. The porn industry does (from what i'm seeing) seem to lead the way in terms of innovation. "

          Bleh. Sorry I am calling Mike's list of innovations for the craptacular side. Porn did not innovate video on the internet they merely used the technology of others who did. Companies Like Macromedia and Quicktime did that. Link exchanges were around before Porn was even feasible on 14.4k modems (it was a big deal when sites had animated gifs). In fact link exchanges were how people found things before search engines took off. Memberships were in force for decades offline. They were called subscriptions and it was hardly an innovation to bring them online. Magazine subscriptions are basically membership sites and email lists are no different than mail order was to addresses.

          The innovation in Porn is an overstatement . Plain and simple. You got into the game early and had the financial backing you could make a dime I will take it that making it now when there is so much competition takes alot of work becase of that competition but innovative? No..... Strippers were around long before the internet.
          Then came digital strippers like virtuagirl.

          porn has helped in innovation directly with sensor based technologies that, at one time was to be used as some kind of sex toy but has since been converted into something like a pregnancy belt for expecting mothers: How Porn Drives Innovation In Tech - Business Insider

          although the above case is a rare example.

          I think really though porn helps in the innovation of new technologies more though like in the case of the Oculus Rift (a VR headset that will supposedly feature the first true virtual reality porn game called wicked paradise) I lot of money aimed at adult entertainment projects is also going into funding the further development and promotion of the Oculus Rift so in this sense porn is driving a lot of technologies.

          have you seen the movie middlemen? online purchasing has porn to thank as the catalyst to mainstreaming it.

          If anything, porn is linked to most innovations related to the net one way or another

          you just can't think of "porn" as that age old ron jeremy sex flick model
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Oh I didn't say they were not people trying to push the idea that Porn is some great innovating industry. I just said its craptacular logic. Even that piece doesn't make the case. All it really confirms is that Porn utilizies other niches innovations and may create a larger market for the innovations but sorry thats not innovation thats just using what comes along and attaching one of the oldest known marketing strategies to it.

            I lot of money aimed at adult entertainment projects is also going into funding the further development and promotion of the Oculus Rift so in this sense porn is driving a lot of technologies.
            You are daydreaming. VR has been around for decades and it was the gaming industry that pushed that and in some cases robotics. Will attaching sex cause an existing innovation to sell more? duh. But again thats not innovation thats just marketing and sex in marketing is hardly an innovation.

            If anything, porn is linked to most innovations related to the net one way or another
            You can say it but theres no evidence that does not fall apart after closer scrutiny. I admit I understand why guys try to build up porn to some great business innovating niche. Its to combat how shady people see it as and make it more respectable but to me that doesn't even come into this discussion.

            One is talking morality and one is an over compensation to a morality argument. I don't see the evidence that Porn is any great innovator to the net because there is none. In every case it was the tech industry that did all the real innovation that porn just used. Porn industry did not create the internet, they didn't create Jpegs or gif, they did not invent streaming technologies -nada. Even webcams were borne by the multiple attempts at having video phones.

            and guess what? not being innovators says nothing about being bad business. theres no reason to over compensate by making the porn industry the winners in most innovation when they most obviously are nowhere near close
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            • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              All it really confirms is that Porn utilizies other niches innovations and may create a larger market for the innovations but sorry thats not innovation thats just using what comes along and attaching one of the oldest known marketing strategies to it.
              That IS innovation. Innovation isn't about technology. It's about solving problems. Soulutions. That's it. For a larger market to be generated there must be some demand in the first place.

              Today, I walk in a straight line from point A to B unlike all days before where I walked in zig zag lines. I was innovative in my walking and got to my destination quicker

              Now I know people in porn aren't people in computer science. robotics, etc. so I'm NOT saying we have porn to thank for anything internet related but to say porn is not innovative because the bulk of it's innovation comes from opening up new markets is wrong.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Will attaching sex cause an existing innovation to sell more? duh. But again thats not innovation thats just marketing and sex in marketing is hardly an innovation.
              Really, just seems to me that your definition of innovation is a bit off.

              "Innovation" can be the development of a new technology but can also be a new way to use existing ones


              now if we are talking INVENTIONS....yeah I don't think Porn invented much but more porn.
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              • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
                Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

                That IS innovation. Innovation isn't about technology. It's about solving problems. Soulutions. That's it. For a larger market to be generated there must be some demand in the first place.

                Today, I walk in a straight line from point A to B unlike all days before where I walked in zig zag lines. I was innovative in my walking and got to my destination quicker

                Now I know people in porn aren't people in computer science. robotics, etc. so I'm NOT saying we have porn to thank for anything internet related but to say porn is not innovative because the bulk of it's innovation comes from opening up new markets is wrong.



                Really, just seems to me that your definition of innovation is a bit off.

                "Innovation" can be the development of a new technology but can also be a new way to use existing ones


                now if we are talking INVENTIONS....yeah I don't think Porn invented much but more porn.
                Would ranking any type of "porn" related website not be difficult, meaning cant they get easily penalized by Google just for the terms alone. Lastly, what types of offers are even out there for porn/adult related offers anyway are there some good networks I'm missing....
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                • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
                  Originally Posted by Fast List Pro View Post

                  Would ranking any type of "porn" related website not be difficult, meaning cant they get easily penalized by Google just for the terms alone. Lastly, what types of offers are even out there for porn/adult related offers anyway are there some good networks I'm missing....
                  You can't "get penalized by Google for just the terms alone" if you use certain terms and your site reflects that then that is what you are supposed to do

                  Good networks for adult webmasters?

                  a few off the top of my head that I have made money with:

                  cecash (PPL)
                  peerfly (PPS/PPL)
                  virtuagirl (PPS w/ revshare)

                  Beyond that you start getting into networks that cater to specific niches which I wont go into.
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            • Profile picture of the author cytherea
              I have to say I am really enjoying this thread I agree of course with Mark Anthony in terms of SEO but I study programming and own several adult web sites, not like yours probably - I'm a fetish model myself. I make money doing this, of course I don't have to worry about conversions because it's a different type of business. People always look for novelty.

              What i can say is that people slashing and critisizing doing adult sites don't really have their right to say. Internet is 70% porn, and sex instinct is one of the primal instincts. I am sorry to disagree with Mark Anthony, but it's not same old same old stuff your grandfather used to look at. There are SO many fetishes. I was shopping for a latex costume right now and there were hundreds of different kinds: inflattable, zentai, breathing masks - for every taste, and people going to see videos are looking for that specific thing they are into. People with shoe fetish look for that specific type of shoe they want to see and there is so many of them again. It doesn't even have to be *sex* to make money from adult industry. I live in NYC and a lot of people are willing to pay me $2000 to do a short fetish video, no sexual contact whatsoever. And those people willing to pay do not do videos for their private collection, they makes money with them, selling off their little (sometimes local) websites.

              There is a plethora of new adult sites emerging always. Many young people like beeg, everyone is sharing beeg on reddit because it's a nice site and a lot of people were asking if there is a gay version of beeg. The dude who shared beeg got a ton of upvotes.

              Fetishes could be an extreme example, let's talk about regular porn. Has anyone seen the movie Little Children? One of the characters had a problem with his wife because she found out him going to the website of Whore Kate. Some cute girl with website, selling her erotic photos, videos and used underwear from there. The character was obsessed with her, going to her website every day. But my point is: was her website subscription basis? There are some girls doing that.

              I made a joomla website kind of like that last year with videos photos and articles, and had 9000 visitors every day in a year, advertising on adult boards only. I didn't do any link building to it whatsoever. But I was silly and there was a legal problem, i shut it down.

              That's how the men work, they get aroused, obsessed. Nobody has a private life and family life gets boring for a lot of people.

              I would like to keep all my clients to myself, obviously, but if i were a dude living in a big city, I would couple up with some semi famous porn star or several of them and do something like that maybe and split the proceeds. Those women are usually stupid and very bad with technology and you could promote them.

              I mean adult work is always good business. Many people on this thread are talking but you don't even like porn, don't dig this.

              Also I know several people with private homes equipped with cameras, letting people from around the world to watch you from their website on subscription basis. Like a private reality show. Their website is hugely popular because again, many people have no private life and are sexually frustrated. This could be done with porn stars too.

              Another example is this dude who goes to the beach a lot, picks up women , brings them home and talks them into having sex on camera while wearing bikini. He has a ton of videos in his website having sex with different women in bikini. "Bikini babes" I guess one just should have a pitch.

              I'm not into this but there are two dudes on youtube with accounts with their many videos: one dude dry humps various inflatable animals and the second one just farts in different positions. I know it's disgusting, I'm just showing that the industry is far from being same old same old. Those dudes have a ton of subscribers.

              One can have a lot of fun doing adult work if you think outside the box and like it, it doesn't have to be boring.

              Thanks for this thread!
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          " as far as the innovation aspect goes. The porn industry does (from what i'm seeing) seem to lead the way in terms of innovation. "

          Bleh. Sorry I am calling Mike's list of innovations for the craptacular side. Porn did not innovate video on the internet they merely used the technology of others who did. Companies Like Macromedia and Quicktime did that. Link exchanges were around before Porn was even feasible on 14.4k modems (it was a big deal when sites had animated gifs). In fact link exchanges were how people found things before search engines took off. Memberships were in force for decades offline. They were called subscriptions and it was hardly an innovation to bring them online. Magazine subscriptions are basically membership sites and email lists are no different than mail order was to addresses.

          The innovation in Porn is an overstatement . Plain and simple. You got into the game early and had the financial backing you could make a dime I will take it that making it now when there is so much competition takes alot of work becase of that competition but innovative? No..... Strippers were around long before the internet.
          Bleh.
          Translation=I could really care less about historical innovation in this industry. You and whoever else cares can argue back and forth about that one. For what it's worth I think you both make somewhat valid points, but not worth my brainpower right now due to last nights clubbing and subsequent events.
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        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        It's about traffic, and SEO combined with good keyword research is how I plan to get it, at least initially. And dedicated networks killing the industry? My god you're starting to sound worried. Its good to see that small guys are taking a peice of the pie. But please do keep telling me about how I'm going to destroy the industry, sounds like fun. And thanks for chiming in, but you're not really saying anything. (Other than don't do it)
        This is one of the traffics where buying traffic is a MUST, because you don't want to spend years ranking for terms that are not converting, here your SEO needs to be the long term investment of your original acquisition cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    In my fairly extensive experience, adult IM is the exact opposite of traditional IM.

    In traditional IM traffic is the hard part and monetizing traffic is easy.

    In adult IM the traffic is the easy part and converting it to decent $ is the hard part.
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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post


      In adult IM the traffic is the easy part and converting it to decent $ is the hard part.

      You got the wrong traffic. Work on methods that filter out kids and people from poor countries.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    98% USA traffic to about 20 sites averaging 45,000 unique visitors a month for the last 4 years.

    PPC pays a fraction as much in adult as it does in mainstream and CPA offers convert at a much lower rate, that is a fact. I'm not saying you can't make good money, I do, but it takes longer and is more work per visitor. Best method is direct ad selling.
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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      98% USA traffic to about 20 sites averaging 45,000 unique visitors a month for the last 4 years.

      PPC pays a fraction as much in adult as it does in mainstream and CPA offers convert at a much lower rate, that is a fact. I'm not saying you can't make good money, I do, but it takes longer and is more work per visitor. Best method is direct ad selling.
      98% US trafffic? I never heard of any site that gets THAT much of one country's traffic but I guess hahha....

      I agree with you on the PPC bit (unless you enjoy get $0.01 a click haha) adult CPA converts at around 1/200 for me which isnt that great but not terrible either.

      what do you mean "direct ad selling" like charging people to put their ads up for a fee?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

        98% US trafffic? I never heard of any site that gets THAT much of one country's traffic but I guess hahha....

        I think he meant that 98% of HIS traffic was from the US, not that he had cornered 98% of US traffic for some keyword.
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        • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I think he meant that 98% of HIS traffic was from the US, not that he had cornered 98% of US traffic for some keyword.
          yes I know what he meant but if we are talking organic traffic I never heard of a ratio like that with 45k visitor a month.

          2% is the whole rest of the world then?

          On my best day I'm looking at maybe 60% US traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    I never said organic traffic, relying on search engines for porn traffic sounds pretty awful unless you are youjizz or pornhub. I use sources that filter their traffic because the best offers pay much better if you have U.S. traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    Oh and yes by direct selling I mean contacting big sites with lots of money and selling them the best ad spaces on your site directly.
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    • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      I never said organic traffic, relying on search engines for porn traffic sounds pretty awful unless you are youjizz or pornhub.
      yes so now keywords like "porn" and "tube" are a waste of time to go after. keyword targeting works great in adult but people think they can't SEO adult sites for some reason when that content is always being searched for IN search engines hahaha.....

      if its in google it can get organic traffic no matter what it is.



      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      Oh and yes by direct selling I mean contacting big sites with lots of money and selling them the best ad spaces on your site directly.
      that sounds like a good idea actually. up until now I have only contacted people for links or product sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      Oh and yes by direct selling I mean contacting big sites with lots of money and selling them the best ad spaces on your site directly.
      Yeah this and a combination of cpa offers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    Of course SEO never hurts, it's just time consuming. I don't really worry about it, but I do take the time to make sure all the images are optimized with good titles and alt text because they seem easier to rank in Google Images.

    Also the best advice I can give to someone getting into adult is to make quality sites and not use feeds. We manually upload only high quality vids, we have no popups/unders and all videos can be played without opening a new window. This negatively affects pageviews but with porn if you give the user a good experience they are extremely loyal. Our adult sites have returning visitor percentages that would blow your mind.

    If a user clicks on a video and it opens three new windows and a chat box that they have to close, you may make a few cents but they are never coming back.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      Of course SEO never hurts, it's just time consuming. I don't really worry about it, but I do take the time to make sure all the images are optimized with good titles and alt text because they seem easier to rank in Google Images.

      Also the best advice I can give to someone getting into adult is to make quality sites and not use feeds. We manually upload only high quality vids, we have no popups/unders and all videos can be played without opening a new window. This negatively affects pageviews but with porn if you give the user a good experience they are extremely loyal. Our adult sites have returning visitor percentages that would blow your mind.

      If a user clicks on a video and it opens three new windows and a chat box that they have to close, you may make a few cents but they are never coming back.
      I have a few tricks up my sleeve that will take care of images and text, but where are you getting your videos if you aren't using a feed?
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    Quick Question. I want to talk to the people at e-dasher about using their services, but can't find their website. Is that a hint or something? How do I get a hold of these folks? Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    I have a few tricks up my sleeve that will take care of images and text, but where are you getting your videos if you aren't using a feed?
    Some sites we just embed from other sites, others we rip and then upload. Embedding is really the way to go because it puts no strain on your server, but you do have to keep checking for dead links which you don't need to worry about if you are the host. I have an employee who just rips and embeds all day long, I joke with him that he is going to have the highest sexual expectations any man has ever had. The main point is that we only use high quality (mostly HD nowadays) in reference to the videos and the actresses.

    Oh also we stick to niches. If you make a site that only has blonde amatuer teenage facials, then you can bet your life if that's what some dude is into, he is bookmarking and coming back... every day... forever.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      Some sites we just embed from other sites, others we rip and then upload. Embedding is really the way to go because it puts no strain on your server, but you do have to keep checking for dead links which you don't need to worry about if you are the host. I have an employee who just rips and embeds all day long, I joke with him that he is going to have the highest sexual expectations any man has ever had. The main point is that we only use high quality (mostly HD nowadays) in reference to the videos and the actresses.

      Oh also we stick to niches. If you make a site that only has blonde amatuer teenage facials, then you can bet your life if that's what some dude is into, he is bookmarking and coming back... every day... forever.
      That's what I figured, but since you're using someone elses bandwidth (and content) are you worried about being sued? Or at the very least being reported and having your site taken down?
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    Take a site like YouJizz. They give out the embed codes, they wan't people to do it, it leads to traffic for them. YouJizz doesn't own the content either. If VIVID sues me for stealing their content? First off I'm already a bazillionaire if I'm on that radar, and second I'm not liable, it's not on my server, it's on YouJizz's server. They would sue them way before me.

    The toothpaste is out of the tube with free porn, nobody is putting it back in or even trying to anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by Clix View Post

      Take a site like YouJizz. They give out the embed codes, they wan't people to do it, it leads to traffic for them. YouJizz doesn't own the content either. If VIVID sues me for stealing their content? First off I'm already a bazillionaire if I'm on that radar, and second I'm not liable, it's not on my server, it's on YouJizz's server. They would sue them way before me.

      The toothpaste is out of the tube with free porn, nobody is putting it back in or even trying to anymore.
      Now why didn't I think of that!! I had an idea for a custom site and this takes things to a whole new level!
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  • Profile picture of the author Clix
    When you get it up and running feel free to hit me up, I'll help you get traffic started and show you some good converting offers. Adult is the one niche that is so big that helping others doesn't affect your own bottom line.
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    Money is money imo How badly do you want it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    The whole industry has gone to shit. The tube sites have basically killed CPAs to content producers. Viewers basically expect everything for free.

    Now don't get me wrong, its possible to make money, but you need a lot of traffic. Like 100k a day type of traffic.

    The best way to monetize is with cams and dating offers, thats been the way for a long while now.

    If you want to do CPA/conversions on content, you really need to go niche/fetish, then go for the hard sale, which requires you to understand the viewers mindset.

    Personally its not for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Yes it's easy to get this traffic. However these keywords tend not to be buyer keywords. So they may be worthless.

    And needless to say you're on dodgy ground starting this topic in an AdSense forum.
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      Originally Posted by brettb View Post

      Yes it's easy to get this traffic. However these keywords tend not to be buyer keywords. So they may be worthless.

      And needless to say you're on dodgy ground starting this topic in an AdSense forum.
      This forum also includes PPC & SEO, it's not only an Adsense forum.
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