I can no longer resist the temptation! (P0RN) :D

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So, i'll try not to make this awkard.

When i'm doing keyword research for my authority sites I often run across porn keywords with VERY little SEO competition. I've been collecting these little nuggets for almost a year now and placing them in an excel file. Thing is, I've now collected so many of them that the porn niche is starting to look very attractive. The fact that most people won't even touch this stuff just makes the temptation even greater.

This seems to be a really taboo subject in the SEO community. The impression that I get when reading the boards is that Google doesn't like these sites at all and even linking to or receiving links from one equals disaster (Katrina style). Unless I can find a good reason not to, my plan as of right now is to build another network soley for this site and monetizing the main one with CPA offers from Peerfly or a dedicated xxx cpa network.

My question is, how does Google really feel about porn sites in terms of rankings and SEO??

Any experiences, advice, do's and do not's, things to watch out for?
#search engine optimization #longer #resist #temptation
  • Yeah...Uh huh....Suuuuuure Dennis...you just run across them by mistake.
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    • edit: No but really I do. I do my keyword research a little different than most people. I don't start with seeds.
  • You will grow hair on the palms of your hands and go blind.
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    • Perhaps some on his head first. "just kidding" It's for sure a niche that will make $ however is it worth the risk/gamble of pissed of hosts?
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  • Personally I'd never get into the porn niche for moral reasons, but if you're going to anyway (which I don't recommend) there is one thing I'd consider.

    The .xxx TLD. I think once that takes off it is going to be a game changer for porn related SEO. I am guessing that Google and the other 'legit' search engines will stop putting non .xxx TLDs in their normal SERPs to a large extent.

    Of course, I could be wrong. I don't follow the porn industry or the 'adult' niche in any way. I do, however, see a lot of people getting more and more upset with the fact that their kids (and husbands?) are 'finding' porn sites in search results 'unintentionally'. With the .xxx domain it will be much easier for search engines to give the porn to people who obviously want it, while keeping it away from the eyes of those who don't.

    Michael
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    • Funny you should mention finding porn sites in search results. I have no idea about PR, but they are easily indexed and if you search you will find them on google, so I am not sure what they are trying to do.

      Funny thing happened to me. I just started my Fantasy Football League and the name of my team is Green Bears blah blah. Well in looking for a fast logo, i decided to go to google images and did a search for "Green Bears" and boy was I surprised. halfway down I am see some pics of very freaky gay porn. Hell saw a big man painted green naked....uuuuughhh...

      Funny (or thankful) thing about it is that when I try and search it again (for the sake of this message) it's gone....

      Maybe google was tracking me. After all they finally made it public that nothing is private with them.....
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  • I have experience in that niche, what exactly do you want to know?

    To rank for competitive niches you need your own network, backlinks are the most important thing, PR, etc.... the most important think is that you realize what are some of the myths and realitities of SEO and MMO.

    I have known several adult webmasters and most of them are the coolest guys you can ever talk to, there is money to be made here, it is tough and very fun.
  • The funny thing that most people do not realize is that most of the 'innovative' ideas in internet marketing and SEO came from the porn industry. Keyword stuffing, email marketing, membership websites, video marketing, link exchanges, image optimization, pop ups (the ads, not anything else), etc... they all were done in porn first.

    From a strictly objective point of view, you can learn a lot from the industry. Think about. This is an entire billion dollar industry that had no choice but to figure out how to market itself on the internet. They cannot advertise in newspapers, on television, through billboards, etc. All the 'traditional' forms of advertising were not an option for them.

    As for how search engines feel about the websites... they still rank them, don't they? Their answer to the porn industry really is the safe search feature, but I highly doubt they would ever kick them out of the index.

    I have not worked in the niche, but I have talked to a lot of people who have. You really need to have your own network in that niche. It is also a great to make some connections within the market for traffic and link exchanges.

    What I have never dug into is where they get their content, outside of shooting their own, but I am sure that gets expensive. Is there a stock photo site for them? I have no clue about any of that.
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    • You dont shoot your own, unless that is your line of work, most of the content is licenced content (most of the sites have the same content, just every webmaster packages to different niches), you know people on trade shows and by recomendations of other webmasters, just like this forum is for MMO GFY.com is the place to hand around for discusison on adult matters and some people sell their content there.

      As you said there is a TON to learn from the industry, from marketing to operations, monetization, traffic, etc... if people were more open minded they would learn a lot... just to give you an example: people in this forum discuss endessly about duplicate content and 300 words article minimum to rank, so how the porn industry can rank sites if all the content is the same (licensed to the same people) and most of them just put images or videos on their sites?, if you are willing to learn and you have the maturity to appreciate what the industry have to offer (no pun intended ) then it is a great place to learn in a month what most people will take a life time to understand
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    • From a strictly objective marketing stand point porn is easy to sell and requires no real innovation. No more than Crack cocaine, prostitution or anything else that has an immediate physical pleasure as a pay off. Built in male market that is driven by a primal urge that requires little else than a provocative picture to attract attention.

      Its not rocket science and I can't think of a single thing to learn from that industry that translates over well to say selling shoes that isn't already known.

      Anyway yeah as for the SEO part of it - you have to go full fledge. You cannot cross over existing link properties. Porn and gambling are two definite "bad neighborhoods) as far as Google is concerned.
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  • "Do not spent so much time in the bed oh my dear friend, only Prostitutes can make money there"
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    • Yeah, tell that to Steven Hirsch.
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    • XD. That's good advice there.

      I know one thing. My youngest sister searches for porn every time she's on the computer at my place.

      Whenever I burst into the bedroom that the pc is in she tries to close it out quickly and tells me to get out.

      Chad
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  • And when it comes to SEO, Google ranks these sites based on competition...if Google indexes adult content then the ranking has to be shown anywhere in the SERP and it is all about Competition. So I don't see any different by from Google.. Yes, it may be hard for your to promote your porn site as you have restrictions a lot but this is all about competition.
  • I think most search engines are kicking against porn site, though not effectively. I'll never go into such a niche b'cos after IM in this world, I am looking forward to eternal. I won't sell my soul to Satan for a loave of bread.
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    • How about a salad?
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  • I run a PR3 softcore adult entertainment blog. Do quite nice with it. If you are talking the hard stuff I have no idea.
  • I have sites in the adult niche. You're pretty much going to be using your own private network, paid links, and media buys.

    It can be very profitable if you know what you're doing.
  • Dennis is playing all of you. This thread is just a cover so if his girl catches him on porn sites he can say

    "but baby see its for work" :rolleyes::rolleyes:
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    • Well if that's the case.

      DENNIS

      If anyone asks you about this site. We are doing a JV right? I'm the eh? Video Approval Moderator
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  • I'm having trouble figuring out what you mean by "hard stuff". Hard as in difficult or...

    Either way, I've decided to make more of a community based XXX story site where members can post their own stories. Decided on this because I have quite a few keywords related to that in addition to video being quite expensive.

    Hey that actually happened, and she still won't let me live that down. She even spot checks history and everything now.

    lol Don't worry Kevin, you can take the load off my hands
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    • Quick notice to self.

      Once the word Porn appears in a thread title regardless of anything else the thread will eventually be all about Porn.
    • sorry, I'll clarify: hardcore. I don't have sex on the blog but I have nudity. You can get away with a lot with just nudity but sex acts turn you instantly into a "hardcore porn" site and yes search engines put up with those but hate them and that means all other webmasters hate them too. Getting links is a bitch.

      with softcore especially with something like you are doing (text based?) you have room to manuever and can get links if you are creative.

      I have a legitimate (in the eyes of google because of PR) site with privacy policy and copyright and all that legal crap. I just have T&A on it too because you bet it gets hits
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  • Stay away from porn..!

    The market is now just for the big guys who are established, and Google will rank down any new sites. Trust me.. I've been in porn for years, I've been involved in developing hundreds of sites and I know the crack!

    I can sell you some custom SEO designed sites right now with thousands spent on them all with original FULL HD titles and SEO content.. cheap! They don't profit because of all the free HD tube sites etc.. etc.. plus affiliate signups are crap, it's gone by the wayside - no money..

    Also there are new laws coming in, classification and censorship to protect children and extreme porn like rape/violence/bestiality etc.. it's already started in the UK!

    Porn = a truly sorry state of affairs!

    STAY AWAY - UNLESS YOU ENJOY THROWING AWAY YOUR MONEY!
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    • Interesting. I see you mentioned seo "designed", but were you doing any offsite SEO? And what types of keywords were you targeting (competition level). I find it hard to beleive that Google would treat these sites any different from "regular" sites, but it would begin to explain why there's literally no competition for some of the keywords that I have. It's almost as if the SERP for them were completely wiped out and I'm now looking at the wreckage. I can imagine there being plenty of competition for these at some point in time, until the sleeping beast awakened. Starting to sound like a horror movie here, were you the only survivor?? lol
  • Yes, yes and yep... there are few survivors in porn, just plenty of wreckage.

    BTW: If your thinking of using Google for keywords.. forget it.. by the time you've accumulated your keys and SEO'd your sites (onsite/offsite) be prepared to receive a crap load of LQ countries..

    There are powerful people in porn, and it goes all the way up to the top.. If your still tempted, best thing would be for you to get it out of your system and learn the hard way! Unless you have millions $$$ to spend.. that talks!

    Good muck..
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    • I've already collected a decent amount of keywords to get me started, all with little to no competition and receiving an average of 1,500 exact searches here in the United States. Should be able to rank most of them within a month or so depending on how much time I can devote to building a dedicated network behind it. I'm not a millionaire (yet ) but I do have a sizable monthly budget to throw at it if things go well. As for the "powerful" people, i'll meet em when I meet em. Although I do enjoy pissing in peoples cereal i'd rather team up and break sh*t together.

      Still curious though as to how you were doing your linkbuilding since you said your sites were pretty much wiped out and blamed it on a supposedly phantom algorithm. Any spammy links? (wikis, blog comments etc.) How can you be so sure that you weren't hit by one of the other more general updates that were rolled out recently? Not saying the 100% anti adult algorithm doesn't exist, just wouldn't hurt to collect some info from those who say they've been there done that.
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  • It's not about SEO and keywords dude.... it's not what I'm getting at!

    Bottom line.. the industry doesn't need any more free porn galleries, cruddy tube sites, and your "dedicated network".. that's already killed it for many people in the industry!

    If all newbies are going to do is litter the adult web with free crap then it's going to make it worse.. because it's on it's arse as it is!

    Many have lost their businesses and income due to this!!

    That's all...
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    • It's about traffic, and SEO combined with good keyword research is how I plan to get it, at least initially. And dedicated networks killing the industry? My god you're starting to sound worried. Its good to see that small guys are taking a peice of the pie. But please do keep telling me about how I'm going to destroy the industry, sounds like fun. And thanks for chiming in, but you're not really saying anything. (Other than don't do it)
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  • Linkbuilding is going to be a handjob on this one.
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    Porn = Great traffic

    Go for it Dennis
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  • In my fairly extensive experience, adult IM is the exact opposite of traditional IM.

    In traditional IM traffic is the hard part and monetizing traffic is easy.

    In adult IM the traffic is the easy part and converting it to decent $ is the hard part.
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    • You got the wrong traffic. Work on methods that filter out kids and people from poor countries.
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  • 98% USA traffic to about 20 sites averaging 45,000 unique visitors a month for the last 4 years.

    PPC pays a fraction as much in adult as it does in mainstream and CPA offers convert at a much lower rate, that is a fact. I'm not saying you can't make good money, I do, but it takes longer and is more work per visitor. Best method is direct ad selling.
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    • 98% US trafffic? I never heard of any site that gets THAT much of one country's traffic but I guess hahha....

      I agree with you on the PPC bit (unless you enjoy get $0.01 a click haha) adult CPA converts at around 1/200 for me which isnt that great but not terrible either.

      what do you mean "direct ad selling" like charging people to put their ads up for a fee?
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  • I never said organic traffic, relying on search engines for porn traffic sounds pretty awful unless you are youjizz or pornhub. I use sources that filter their traffic because the best offers pay much better if you have U.S. traffic.
  • Oh and yes by direct selling I mean contacting big sites with lots of money and selling them the best ad spaces on your site directly.
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    • yes so now keywords like "porn" and "tube" are a waste of time to go after. keyword targeting works great in adult but people think they can't SEO adult sites for some reason when that content is always being searched for IN search engines hahaha.....

      if its in google it can get organic traffic no matter what it is.



      that sounds like a good idea actually. up until now I have only contacted people for links or product sales.
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    • Yeah this and a combination of cpa offers.
  • Of course SEO never hurts, it's just time consuming. I don't really worry about it, but I do take the time to make sure all the images are optimized with good titles and alt text because they seem easier to rank in Google Images.

    Also the best advice I can give to someone getting into adult is to make quality sites and not use feeds. We manually upload only high quality vids, we have no popups/unders and all videos can be played without opening a new window. This negatively affects pageviews but with porn if you give the user a good experience they are extremely loyal. Our adult sites have returning visitor percentages that would blow your mind.

    If a user clicks on a video and it opens three new windows and a chat box that they have to close, you may make a few cents but they are never coming back.
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    • I have a few tricks up my sleeve that will take care of images and text, but where are you getting your videos if you aren't using a feed?
  • Quick Question. I want to talk to the people at e-dasher about using their services, but can't find their website. Is that a hint or something? How do I get a hold of these folks? Thanks!
  • Some sites we just embed from other sites, others we rip and then upload. Embedding is really the way to go because it puts no strain on your server, but you do have to keep checking for dead links which you don't need to worry about if you are the host. I have an employee who just rips and embeds all day long, I joke with him that he is going to have the highest sexual expectations any man has ever had. The main point is that we only use high quality (mostly HD nowadays) in reference to the videos and the actresses.

    Oh also we stick to niches. If you make a site that only has blonde amatuer teenage facials, then you can bet your life if that's what some dude is into, he is bookmarking and coming back... every day... forever.
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    • That's what I figured, but since you're using someone elses bandwidth (and content) are you worried about being sued? Or at the very least being reported and having your site taken down?
  • Take a site like YouJizz. They give out the embed codes, they wan't people to do it, it leads to traffic for them. YouJizz doesn't own the content either. If VIVID sues me for stealing their content? First off I'm already a bazillionaire if I'm on that radar, and second I'm not liable, it's not on my server, it's on YouJizz's server. They would sue them way before me.

    The toothpaste is out of the tube with free porn, nobody is putting it back in or even trying to anymore.
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    • Now why didn't I think of that!! I had an idea for a custom site and this takes things to a whole new level!
  • When you get it up and running feel free to hit me up, I'll help you get traffic started and show you some good converting offers. Adult is the one niche that is so big that helping others doesn't affect your own bottom line.
  • Money is money imo How badly do you want it?
  • The whole industry has gone to shit. The tube sites have basically killed CPAs to content producers. Viewers basically expect everything for free.

    Now don't get me wrong, its possible to make money, but you need a lot of traffic. Like 100k a day type of traffic.

    The best way to monetize is with cams and dating offers, thats been the way for a long while now.

    If you want to do CPA/conversions on content, you really need to go niche/fetish, then go for the hard sale, which requires you to understand the viewers mindset.

    Personally its not for me.
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  • Yes it's easy to get this traffic. However these keywords tend not to be buyer keywords. So they may be worthless.

    And needless to say you're on dodgy ground starting this topic in an AdSense forum.
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    I can no longer resist the temptation! (P0RN) :D

    So, i'll try not to make this awkard. When i'm doing keyword research for my authority sites I often run across porn keywords with VERY little SEO competition. I've been collecting these little nuggets for almost a year now and placing them in an excel file. Thing is, I've now collected so many of them that the porn niche is starting to look very attractive. The fact that most people won't even touch this stuff just makes the temptation even greater.