Google Might Not Update PR From Now. Will Moz Rank Substitute PR Successfully?

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Google Might Not Update PR From Now. Will Moz Rank be able to Substitute PR Successfully? If so we might calculate value of Private Networks by using Moz rank?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by SocialDemon View Post

    Google Might Not Update PR From Now. Will Moz Rank be able to Substitute PR Successfully? If so we might calculate value of Private Networks by using Moz rank?
    I did not hear anything about them retiring PR. Where did you get that info from?

    btw PR is just one factor in judging a network. Moz rank is another one. There are many more.
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    • Profile picture of the author mittel
      It´s since february that google did not update PR of websites. Normally this would be happening within 3/4 month. This time its over 6 month and no update or whatsoever. This is not the norm though. It does not mean that google stops with the PR update. But its possible.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        We switched over From pagerank to Moz and domain trust. Even if Google updates the pagerank I have seen good evidence they do not wish for it to be accurate/ up to date.

        Did a training video for my customers and mozrank with Trustflow from Majestic works out quite well. Frankly even better than Pagerank because both Moz and majestic update AR more often.
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        • Profile picture of the author simplyben
          Moz rank and "domain trust" are completely ignored by Google, they were made up by SEOers and are not a factor for any type of ranking.
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          • Profile picture of the author bimtri
            Originally Posted by simplyben View Post

            Moz rank and "domain trust" are completely ignored by Google, they were made up by SEOers and are not a factor for any type of ranking.
            yeah, we must patience to wait officially google news about update pr
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by bimtri View Post

              yeah, we must patience to wait officially google news about update pr
              You can wait if you wish but the idea that google is going to give you good data so that you can buy links, secure domains, tell you where to drop spammy blog comments all for you to effectively game their system is probably one of the biggest myths going around now.

              If going on 7 months with inaccurate information in their toolbar doesn't tell you guys that Google has no interest in users having that information nothing will.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by simplyben View Post

            Moz rank and "domain trust" are completely ignored by Google, they were made up by SEOers and are not a factor for any type of ranking.

            actually thats absolutely false. Yes the other metrics were made up by different companies but many of the Prime sites on the web Google uses to flow authority are not that secret to figure out. They are solid metrics that have been proven multiple times and are widely used by SEO professionals because they have been proven to have value in rankings. Whether or not google recognizes the metrics is irrelevant. if they mimic the flow of authority sites then they have value to rankings.
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          • Profile picture of the author FreeMeal
            Originally Posted by simplyben View Post

            Moz rank and "domain trust" are completely ignored by Google, they were made up by SEOers and are not a factor for any type of ranking.
            Not sure anyone is suggesting that. They are another useful metric for users to monitor a site. Nothing wrong with that
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        • Profile picture of the author zenichanin
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          We switched over From pagerank to Moz and domain trust. Even if Google updates the pagerank I have seen good evidence they do not wish for it to be accurate/ up to date.

          Did a training video for my customers and mozrank with Trustflow from Majestic works out quite well. Frankly even better than Pagerank because both Moz and majestic update AR more often.
          I'm not buying the Trustflow from Majestic quite yet. It fluctuates every week for me. I prefer Moz Rank because it is more consistent and seems more like PR.

          Originally Posted by Tacit View Post

          For the most up-to-date measure of a web pages authority I'd use Majestic citation flow or ahrefs new URL Rank metric. I find that moz's index isn't updated often enough, and their crawler doesn't pick up as many links as the previous 2.
          Maybe so, but Majestic keeps old or dead links in their index way too long sometimes which can skew your data.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by zenichanin View Post

            I'm not buying the Trustflow from Majestic quite yet. It fluctuates every week for me. I prefer Moz Rank because it is more consistent and seems more like PR.
            That would probably be Moz not updating very often.

            Personally I would give up before I resorted to anything Moz. Not going to happen...
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              That would probably be Moz not updating very often.

              Personally I would give up before I resorted to anything Moz. Not going to happen...
              Moz updates quite often. Most every regular here knows your irrational Moz hate but the rest of us recognizes a few good things they have put out.

              Originally Posted by thedarklord123 View Post

              Moz is not good enough :
              You will all eventually have to live with it. I have referenced the video several times where Matt Cutts admits the pagerank toolbar will most likely be discontinued in the not too far future.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    The only *real* way to judge the power of a network is to see for yourself the ranking benefits. Those of us that have been doing it correctly know how powerful they are.

    Edit: and, yes, one of my Amazon "test" sites has failed this week.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    People don't care about PageRank anymore.

    Google Trends shows that the term 'Google Pagerank' peaked February of 2006 and has declined ever since to its current levels.



    It's probably a good idea to figure PR has reached end of life.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    Great research by PerformanceMan. Yes many fators comes to existence and many wipes off with time and probably PR is another one that is loosing it's importance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by webdevpro View Post

      Great research by PerformanceMan. Yes many fators comes to existence and many wipes off with time and probably PR is another one that is loosing it's importance.

      Horrible research because it draws wrong conclusions. Google trends just measures how people search for words or phrases. It says nothing about the importance of those things. Using that logic take a look at medicine in trends

      Google Trends

      Is medicine becoming less important and on its way out? is making money less important and on its way out?

      Google Trends

      Maybe we should all pack up and leave because people search less for the term internet marketing

      Google Trends

      Truth is how many people ever search for pagerank by itself? Its covered in SEO, link building and ranking - all terms trending upward
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  • Profile picture of the author chandan_dutta
    For many of us, High PA/DA and Trust flow is enough. Anyway, who knows, it might get get updated tomorrow.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    I've been thinking this one through for a while now. Two questions for you guys:

    1. For those of you buying domains, are you using Moz & Trustrank during backlink analysis? Im still judging by the toolbar but I could be picking up crap and overlooking gems by continuing this way.

    2. I have a few sites that I bought in May (1PR6-1PR5-3PR4) that I was expecting to drop a level in PR but seem to be holding strong. Since Google hasn't updated the toolbar could it be possible that they've already dropped and im just not seeing the change? Basically, are you guys finding that the toolbar freeze is applying to PR increases and not decreases? Hell has anything lost PR since February?

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    • Profile picture of the author FreeMeal
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

      I've been thinking this one through for a while now. Two questions for you guys:

      1. For those of you buying domains, are you using Moz & Trustrank during backlink analysis? Im still judging by the toolbar but I could be picking up crap and overlooking gems by continuing this way.

      2. I have a few sites that I bought in May (1PR6-1PR5-3PR4) that I was expecting to drop a level in PR but seem to be holding strong. Since Google hasn't updated the toolbar could it be possible that they've already dropped and im just not seeing the change? Basically, are you guys finding that the toolbar freeze is applying to PR increases and not decreases? Hell has anything lost PR since February?

      -Dennis
      1. Yes, you could be buying crap if you are going just by the toolbar. You need to take a good look at the existing back links to make a better judgement. You can use the likes of Trustflow, Citation or whatever to help give you a clearer picture.

      2. Yes, they will appear to be holding strong simply because the toolbar hasn't been updated for ages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    YAY
    I made my selective trends search say that Google+ is dead too. I guess no one needs worry about any of that social shit anymore either.

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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      YAY
      I made my selective trends search say that Google+ is dead too. I guess no one needs worry about any of that social shit anymore either.
      Actually that one is probably correct.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Actually that one is probably correct.
        Yeah it was probably Google themselves running FBblaster and Tweet Attacks, to get that spike in the first place.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Actually that one is probably correct.
        Did you have a yard sale recently?

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  • Profile picture of the author Tacit
    For the most up-to-date measure of a web pages authority I'd use Majestic citation flow or ahrefs new URL Rank metric. I find that moz's index isn't updated often enough, and their crawler doesn't pick up as many links as the previous 2.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Tacit View Post

      For the most up-to-date measure of a web pages authority I'd use Majestic citation flow or ahrefs new URL Rank metric. I find that moz's index isn't updated often enough, and their crawler doesn't pick up as many links as the previous 2.

      Disagree - I find citation flow sucks. trust flow is what I use. As for Mozrank - all of them update several times more than google's pagerank. However your right on Moz not picking up as many links -true enough - but that tends to mean they under report the strength of a domain (as long as there are not spammy links gaming it)
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    Moz is not good enough :\
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  • Profile picture of the author johnstephan25
    I am more confused now after seeing this post... As a newbie i have grabed good points and as conclusion i would like to say that from this post i get to know that Pagerank still exists.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
    I haven't considered Pagerank as a factor for a while now. I have seen websites with 5-7 links and a PR3 simply because the domain was really old or who knows what.

    I think what really matters is the backlink profile and the current rankings
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