SEO in 2013 : An Inconvenient Truth

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Thread after thread of SEO advice that could be only described as complete crackers is all I'm seeing. I add my "opinion" to topics I feel confident, I could really add some value to. Or sometimes (most of the time) I'm just trying to have a laugh ad a joke with people about stuff.

But the same type of question threads keeping popping up. About SEO (linkbuilding side), and whats working with content, best off-site practices, best types of links etc etc...

And people advising the same type of crap link that probably got them screwed, and that's why their asking the question.

spammy blog commenting
forum profiles
auto subs (senuke/sickS)
mass web2.0 with "UNIQUE" content LOLZ

WAKE DAFUQ UP GUYS

Maybe this crap worked in 2008 or something. Either that or the developers of these software, have the worlds hottest sales copywriters. That just sell Injens up the river to Christmas. On the idea that all links are good links. Or that a whole bunch of shitty links piled up on top of each other (Tiers). Will make a small bunch of really great links (Tier 1 Ninjas).

Stop this crap now and listen to me.

It will take you forever and a day to build a proper network like this. And would probably cost you the same price overall. If you just went out and invested in buying a network of sites from the start. And worst of all, this network of sites your trying to build up with tiered software link building. Are not even your properties. So a lot of these sites delete and ban your account. Or simply shut their doors and you lose the site. Or the just switch to rel no-follow (Squidoo)

Joking aside. Software is great. I love it and use all of them all of the time. But just probably in very different ways.

I love scrapers.
Scrapebox
GScraper
HRefer

Lovem. The most powerful thing in an SEO's box of tricks. Is his footprints. And I don't mean his shoe size or ability to find article sites for AMR either. I mean his ability to find related target sites, platforms or other link opportunities. If you can master this, Life is damn easy.

Most of the submitters have the option of mass importing and managing accounts also. So they can be used nicely like this. Although I would personally not advise using spun content for such posting.

A very well spun (by human) article. That is sparingly used, you might get away with. But to be honest, by the time it would take to spin the article properly. You would have probably written a tonne of good articles. You can buy fairly cheap content too. Not word perfect, but for as cheap as $7 per 1000 words is not bad.

I might also use them for account creation. Just to speed that up. But beyond registration, I'm taking over and building that account as a real person.

But building out a network from scratch like this. Would be mental suicide. And would probably cost the same as buying your own private network from the very start. But it's a big cash up front deal. And most people getting into SEO, see it as high risk. They don't know what the return will be for even being at the top yet. And your saying yo, you need 4xPR5 25xPR3 250xPR2, and that will be $100k a year + fees.

"And they like YO chill man...I got this dude over here says he's gonna give me 10000 backlinks for $5, sup with that?"

So they take that road. Some get lucky and hit some really soft niches, and make a few $$$. And there usually the only stories you will see in the sales thread. I'm yet to see a "you ruined my life and I'm now homeless because of you" review in a sales copy.

But anyway, the numbers above where an exaggeration I can get 10000 backlinks for $4.

Anyway point is.
Most of you have sites that you want in this game for the long haul. So start treating them with a bit more care.

I might continue this rant later.
#search engine optimization #2013 #inconvenient #seo #truth
  • Love and hate you that you pointed out the scraping tools.

    Now more "manual is the best way to go" SEOs are going to jump back to scraping websites to post to.
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    • Google is going to crush tiered link building and once they do almost all the features of the automation software everyone loves will become dead weight. Theres just no way Google goes after everything that marketers use and then stop before destroying tiered link building.

      Its as simple as limiting the ability of pages with too a high ratio of unnatural links to pass juice.
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    • I agree with you
  • The things is... People don't actually listen.

    In the next 30mins there will be another thread: "My site has 5000 quality links, why I'm not ranking anymore"
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    • 5000 "quality links....How much man $$$????

      Sweet..I can trade you if you want. I've this technique I created with The Best Spinner for boss content. It spins it so much. That you put a 1000 word English article in. And it churns out, a 6000 word perfect, ultra spun article in Italian. I'm killing it over there, VIVA ITALIA!!!!
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    • Sorry I can't hear you - I'm too busy building 5000 quality links to my site that doesn't rank anymore.
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    • You are right, we will get again some old thread how to seo properly, why am i not ranking etc. same question and have to give same answer. Many of them actually just post a thread to get a back link from this forum, don't want to read what others are saying and what is happening in this forum..
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  • I'm intrigued. Tell me more!
    I've been out of touch with the SEO world for a whole year, and never had any real website to start with anyway! Read up on how things work during the years 2009 to 2012 - started getting the hang of things - got busy with other stuff - never got round to really implementing anything I learned (building links, networking with people, blog commenting, forum posting, then the commentluv backlinks and all that jazz).

    Now getting ready to really start doing something. I'm really interested to know what "scrapers" are.. Got a lot of reading to do!!!
  • Social Media

    We have a lot of fun here with this one. A lot of virtual blood shed. On how if possible social would overtake traditional SEO practices of link valuations. But the truth of the matter is. It shouldn't scare anyone in the slightest. It would never be an overnight thing, and We would all adjust accordingly as its rolled out.

    But the real truth of things in SEO are. That any SEO company worth their salt. Would have at least 1 active full time employee. Whether it real world or virtual assistant. Who's only job is client social media management. Any decent SEO company needs to have this included by default really.

    Social media marketing is not just rss you blog posting into your Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr blogs with this cool plugin marketing. Cmon guys that's horsecrap. If your a one guy army with just his own business website. You need to start using your social accounts to start engaging your market.

    Offer some free advice to build up trust.
    Follow them or whatever you do on that site to kiss ass.
    Repost or share some of their stuff related to your niche.

    All that kinda stuff needs to be done. Then start pushing them towards your site slowly. Offer them something cheap, or some good info. Make your site into some big kind of official launch with them invited.

    If you have a budget, I would suggest BuzzBundle for managing and monitoring recent online chatter about your keywords. This gives you up to date info of potential clients or link opportunities. Don't go spamming them. Just reach out and offer help. If they say yes please. Tell them what they need to know. If they ask to know more. Send them the link.

    I wouldn't like to misquote anyone, especially not Frank Kern. But I think it was him who said something like "you need to speak to the prospect, on a very basic human level". Before they want to buy from you. And thats the best way to convert social traffic. Don't hard sell on anything. The relationship could be worth more then the single sale.

    Just to add.
    I don't know if most of you know. Maybe...But Facebook now only display your status updates to a very small percentage of your likers. Only people who take that extra step to subscribe to your page, see every update you make. Worth noting when that 100k likes page aint making no damn money.

    I am hearing really good things about Reddit lately. Friends of mine said they where cleaning up over there with direct sales. So any product vendors should hit that.
  • This is exactly the main problem, the people who are here in the long haul is people who have experimented, have had their sites banned, de indexed, etc... and with patience and experience learned what really works and what doesn't, most of the people that arrive to the forum looking for 10000 backlinks for $5 are people that heard that there is money to be made in the internet so they are looking for a quick buck.

    The difference between those who are serious about this game and those who are just to brag is that the first ones take this as a business, each site is an asset, you take the time and see what works, how to increase your cashflow, etc.., the others just heard that somebody is making millions on line and that Google sends you traffic with backlinks, so they are looking like crazies where can they get the biggest quantity of backlinks for less, and of course they are the ones that buy the 10000 packages for 5.... and after $15 come here and ask I have 30000 backlinks why is my site on page 15?
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    • I honestly believe that the vast majority of people getting into this. Have a longer vision then a "quick buck". I genuinely fear for most people who read forums looking for good advice. The sheep tend to follow whichever way they're led.
      A brutal phrase, but explains a lot.
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  • It's only a good thing. Those that are willing to take their time, build quality content and promote them efficiently should have an easier time sticking around. SEO changing makes it easier for those that know what their doing, even if each individual site becomes more of a time sink.
  • Google keeps changing their algorithms, including the Panda and Penguin. Our SEO efforts keeps getting more difficult than ever, as they keep changing the rules of the game. After all, it's all about business for them.
  • its all about money.
    they want only the big companies to be in first results and they want us to pay for adwords in order to be on the first page.

    the only logic behind this is money, search engines dont improve themselves, they just want to make more money. what was wrong with search engines 5 years ago? nothing. there is still spam and irrelevant sites. and it will stay like this forever.

    it is very similar to the situation where we have technology to stop thief from stealing - hidden camera, emergency button and so on...but crime rates doesnt stop, it only grow.

    so today there is no space for you and me on the internet to make money, just to have fun with our blogs and nothin gelse. only the big companies will remain and make the big buck. the little ones will have to be satisfied with earning few dollars a day.
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    • Crazy stuff... There are many "small" boys who make 200x more than few dollars a day.

      It takes time, failing etc.. But it's possible.
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    • You already know the answer because you mentioned it in this thread - use paid traffic to achieve your goals. It doesn't matter if you're a 'big boy' or not if you have a sales funnel and paid traffic.
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  • Manual submissions is the key in present scenario. Content is all matters now.
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    • Yo Kevin he just solved all of your problems. You gotta build them profile links manually bro.
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  • The only Posts that I see that are high PR are the PRweb press releases that are spammed. And yes there are blog comments on non native english .edu blogs. Some of the higher ones are in arabic and chinese.

    And yes, Orange County SEO is the keyword I was referring too and it is difficult when you have these things going on filling up an entire page with bs links.

    Basically, what I understand from your comment is that if you have a FB, Youtube, or Wordpress blog you can get away with creating shitty links from automated software but you need some High PR blog posts comment spam.

    Ok, I will try that out
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  • Good post.

    I try to refrain from where possible to use automated tools and software to boost my sites SEO. I usually do a lot of manual back-linking myself, and if I have to do anything else I'll usually just outsource it.
  • So reading through all of your posts, you guys still haven't presented a solution like usual.

    You guys just talk like an authority and how Goldy you are at SEO and put down others.

    I am still waiting for a legitimate answer
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    • I don't know about the others but I am still waiting on the DNA report that shows I am related to you and so owe you a darn thing. I haven't heard anything from the lab yet.

      No one was putting you down by the way. They were however objecting to you trying to float that mass spam links still work after all the people that have had their sites hurt by them.

      Criticize that bit of irresponsibility? Yep.
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    • Your jumping to conclusions....what makes you think any of them have one LOL
  • And I am not trying to argue, I am just really scratching my head wondering how things like this slip under the radar or what strategies really work/don't work.
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    • NO just demanding that you be taught how to rank in your own area for the very kind of service you claim to provide. Thats all :rolleyes:

      There you go. Hipeo will save the day with his traffic equal ranking theory. Just buy some traffic to your cali site, Google will see the traffic and voila you will rank.
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  • This was my rant. Now everyone else has hijacked me.
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    • It's that the way it always goes with this crew Great rant BTW
    • Shit gets real around here man. We have a few casualties in this thread and a few that went MIA. Im wearing my camo so you never see me until it's time to take shots. My advice would be to button up that bullet proof vest and run for cover when Mike and hipeo start goin at it.

      edit: This reminds me of the CTR theme saga lol
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    Thread after thread of SEO advice that could be only described as complete crackers is all I'm seeing. I add my "opinion" to topics I feel confident, I could really add some value to. Or sometimes (most of the time) I'm just trying to have a laugh ad a joke with people about stuff. But the same type of question threads keeping popping up. About SEO (linkbuilding side), and whats working with content, best off-site practices, best types of links etc etc...