Google has human reviewers that will lower your rank for these reasons...

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There are those algorithm penalties and manual penalties. Manual ones are usually user reviewed but there are user reviews that never give you an actual penalty, they call these irreversible penalties, meaning even if you submit a site for reconsideration it will say nothing wrong with your site, no manual penalty but your website ranking and traffic dropped drastically, this means scrapers can rank above your for your own content, what causes this is supposedly a human review, either a huge spike in traffic, adsense earnings or clicks, or multiple reports claiming your site is spam or google searchers reviewing your site and saying not a good user experience for them. (usually known as Negative SEO).

I don't know how true this is, but apparently Google has human reviewers now who work for them, this is why they claim only about 15 percent or a small percent of websites will be hit by panda or penguin penalties because not all of the human reviewers for Google can go through the billions of websites daily. So if you are one of the unlucky few who gets randomly picked for a review you are basically screwed and will never improve your rankings again you are not penalized either its just that your site doesn't satisfy the $$$ for Google, google changed their search and algorithm because of money because of Adsense, they want to satisfy the big companies who pay them money to get legit customers and when the spam small sites were spamming they were getting paid but no legit transactions were being done, so the adwords clients and business took a huge loss financially this is the main reason Google changed their search to satisfy the money advertisers. If you notice only the big news sites or blogs with huge traffic are on the first page even when you do exact words searches they will be on the first page. This means smaller sites will never be able to rank high organically anymore they will always be beat out by the huge corps with established names.

What someone told me was if you have a website that all of a sudden gets a traffic spike and high earnings in Adsense, it will trigger a review. If your site is not a huge LA Times site or established site they will lower your rank its basically a penalty without a penalty, your basically lose half your traffic because thy are trying to avoid smaller blogs to earn more money while protecting the interested of the advertisers, this is done because that is how many of the scraper, spam sites were gaming adsense and earning with black hat illegal strategies. Basically small site or niche site with high traffic spike and earnings for that day or week = spam site in googles mind.

A human usually outsourced either located in India will look over your site and lower the ranking if they don't find your site nice looking enough, has nothing to do with quality at all they could just say don't like it and lower it. These employees don't care its too time consuming for them so they will just do a quick glance over and punish your site or not.

This is why you see a lot of scraper sites ranking above the original site, duplicates ranking higher, many of these scraper sites also have nice looking themes even though they are stealing content its because the reviewer says this site looks better he should be ranked higher even though he stole it from another sites content.

people who work at google will tell you this, they will say the reason those scrap sites outrank you is because they are doing it better than you are and that's all google cares about they don't care who wrote what first or published it first. Right there shows they never did this algorithm to catch scrapers because they don't care about it.

If their algorithm was legit than scrapers would be easy to derank its not that hard to do a date posted authority, whoever posts the article first should get ranked higher, simple. but its more so money it has nothing to do with unique content anymore because big news sites post the same article over and over and still rank on the first page..

Look at the highest paid google employees

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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    What an absolute load of nonsense!

    Yes, Google has reviewers, but not for the purpose you are claiming.
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    • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
      Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

      What an absolute load of nonsense!

      Yes, Google has reviewers, but not for the purpose you are claiming.

      So you don't think Adsense has anything to do with it? most of the sites who are penalized whether algorithmically without notice have adsense, many scrapper spam sites run affiliate marketing and rank higher.

      How come google as sophisticated as they are and advanced can't come up with a algorithm that just allows the first article be higher ranked? what determines ranking? What gives unique content from a smaller site a chance to climb higher organically?

      google is so unclear about their rankings now, many of the strategies that they deemed legit are now considered illegal, and how do they know which links are paid or not? what if someone never did a paid link building scheme or link building scheme but gets punished? is that negative seo?

      Its just a theory because we never understand whats their process.
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      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

        So you don't think Adsense has anything to do with it? most of the sites who are penalized whether algorithmically without notice have adsense, many scrapper spam sites run affiliate marketing and rank higher..
        1. I have read the document they give to human reviewers
        2. I don't believe in silly conspiracy theories - take off your tin foil hat.
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        • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
          Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

          1. I have read the document they give to human reviewers
          2. I don't believe in silly conspiracy theories - take off your tin foil hat.

          Please share what they give to human reviewers
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          • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
            Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

            Please share what they give to human reviewers
            Its been widely documented online in a zillion places (eg); but Google has gone to great lengths to get copies removed.

            Do you mean you posted your conspiracy theory above without even being aware of this document, let alone know whats in it! ... go figure!
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

            Please share what they give to human reviewers

            leaked google manual review

            Doesn't mean it's legit or If it's legit that it's still used.
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            • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
              Originally Posted by cbpayne View Post

              Its been widely documented online in a zillion places (eg); but Google has gone to great lengths to get copies removed.

              Do you mean you posted your conspiracy theory above without even being aware of this document, let alone know whats in it! ... go figure!
              Sorry I am new to this SEO stuff, I run a legit blog not a spam blog and my site was hit hard for the past several months I went all the way down and my adsense earnings are non existent, I am losing ground to scraper sites. I never came up with this conspiracy it was actually a chat I had with someone else who told me his views on the matter he thinks it comes down to satisfying the google advertisers since they make billions a year.

              I haven't recovered my ranking, and never received any penalties. so its algorithmic but how does one know what to do to recover?

              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              leaked google manual review

              Doesn't mean it's legit or If it's legit that it's still used.
              Thanks seems pretty long list! Do you have any cliff notes? Ill try to look at it in the morning from my laptop. is it legit?
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              • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
                Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                it was actually a chat I had with someone else who told me his views on the matter he thinks it comes down to satisfying the google advertisers since they make billions a year.
                Its a silly conspiracy theory.

                Look for other (and real) reasons why your site is not ranking.
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                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Whoever you have been talking to is a moron.

                  Let's just pretend these manual reviewers exist in the way you suggest. They don't, but lets just say they do. Those manual reviewers would still play a tiny, almost insignificant role in rankings. There are somewhere around a trillion pages on the internet right now. Even if Google had a staff of 50,000 manual reviewers, who could each review 60 pages an hour (that is a ridiculous rate of 1 page a minute), 8 hours a day, it would still take them over 40,000 days to review them all.

                  This is why you see a lot of scraper sites ranking above the original site, duplicates ranking higher, many of these scraper sites also have nice looking themes even though they are stealing content its because the reviewer says this site looks better he should be ranked higher even though he stole it from another sites content.

                  people who work at google will tell you this, they will say the reason those scrap sites outrank you is because they are doing it better than you are and that's all google cares about they don't care who wrote what first or published it first. Right there shows they never did this algorithm to catch scrapers because they don't care about it.

                  If their algorithm was legit than scrapers would be easy to derank its not that hard to do a date posted authority, whoever posts the article first should get ranked higher, simple.
                  And this part is the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time. First of all, fine me the Google employee that said "the reason those scrap sites outrank you is because they are doing it better than you are". Please show me one example of Google communicating this at all.

                  Second, a "date posted authority"? How the hell do you do that? You think Google should trust the 'posted' date on a website? Lol. As soon as people figured that out, it would be easier to manipulate than backlinks. Google does not a crawl a webpage as soon as it is created. They have no way of knowing for sure when exactly a page is created, other than pages on their own properties.

                  but its more so money it has nothing to do with unique content anymore because big news sites post the same article over and over and still rank on the first page.
                  Doesn't have to do with unique content anymore? When did it ever have to do with unique content?

                  Like I said at the beginning, whoever you have been talking to that filled your head with this junk has no clue what they are talking about.
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                  • Profile picture of the author shockwave
                    Mike is only partially right - Google does have human reviewers....and they are called Search Quality Raters (used to be called Search Engine Evaluators), I know, because I was hired for it and it is mind-numbing work! ...but the sites I reviewed are totally random (as far as I know) the point was to focus on search intent and relevance based on specific criteria.

                    LionBridge and 1 or 2 other companies hire at-home workers for $14-$17/hr to do this.

                    Now, what REALLY happens is that as an evaluator, you are basically checking the relevance of a website based on searcher intent. But you don't have the power to lower someone's search results. If that's done, it's done by Big G...not an evaluator.

                    Oh....and your "secret" document....it's no secret

                    Algorithms ? Inside Search ? Google

                    Scroll down to the part that says Search Quality Rating Guidelines - and download the .pdf (aka - secret document).
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                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by shockwave View Post

                      Mike is only partially right - Google does have human reviewers....and they are called Search Quality Raters (used to be called Search Engine Evaluators), I know, because I was hired for it and it is mind-numbing work! ...but the sites I reviewed are totally random (as far as I know) the point was to focus on search intent and relevance based on specific criteria.

                      LionBridge and 1 or 2 other companies hire at-home workers for $14-$17/hr to do this.

                      Now, what REALLY happens is that as an evaluator, you are basically checking the relevance of a website based on searcher intent. But you don't have the power to lower someone's search results. If that's done, it's done by Big G...not an evaluator.

                      Oh....and your "secret" document....it's no secret

                      Algorithms ? Inside Search ? Google

                      Scroll down to the part that says Search Quality Rating Guidelines - and download the .pdf (aka - secret document).
                      You're right. I'm aware of the Search Quality Raters. I was talking about the manual reviewers in the way that the OP was describing them.

                      The purpose of the Search Quality Raters is more to make sure the algorithm is working the way it is supposed to than to directly impact any search results.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    Whoever you have been talking to is a moron.

                    Let's just pretend these manual reviewers exist in the way you suggest. They don't, but lets just say they do. Those manual reviewers would still play a tiny, almost insignificant role in rankings. There are somewhere around a trillion pages on the internet right now. Even if Google had a staff of 50,000 manual reviewers, who could each review 60 pages an hour (that is a ridiculous rate of 1 page a minute), 8 hours a day, it would still take them over 40,000 days to review them all.



                    And this part is the biggest load of crap I have heard in a long time. First of all, fine me the Google employee that said "the reason those scrap sites outrank you is because they are doing it better than you are". Please show me one example of Google communicating this at all.

                    Second, a "date posted authority"? How the hell do you do that? You think Google should trust the 'posted' date on a website? Lol. As soon as people figured that out, it would be easier to manipulate than backlinks. Google does not a crawl a webpage as soon as it is created. They have no way of knowing for sure when exactly a page is created, other than pages on their own properties.



                    Doesn't have to do with unique content anymore? When did it ever have to do with unique content?

                    Like I said at the beginning, whoever you have been talking to that filled your head with this junk has no clue what they are talking about.
                    If you read the google help forums the google contributors will say"the reason those scrap sites outrank you is because they are doing it better than you are", and they will attack your site I tried reading their forum and am too scared to post on there because they tear into anyone asking for advice on their site

                    Man now I am clueless, I don't know what to do really. Is there any way to recover? My site has no penalties, in webmaster tools, Ive been in google for years, don't post spam.

                    the only thing someone told me was if you use a wordpress theme becareful of duplicate content on your site, he said for example if you have a frontpage that posts all the new articles and even if you just put summary that could cause a duplicate content issue in search if they search the first few sentences of the article, also those categories showing in search can cause this.

                    Problem is how does one go about fixing this? I have actually put noindex on those category and archive but they still show up in search when I search my site and the frontage shows up when I search an article.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      You can better remove some of the category code inside the category.php file so that the read more tags don't show up, you can then manually post new stuff in that php file, so that the snippets linking to your posts are unique.

                      Another way is to noindex the categories but how can the homepage juice flow to your inner posts that way?

                      With a small site that ain't a problem as you can use a recent post widget with 10 posts if you have 10 posts, but when you have a fairly large site then the juice can not flow to your posts when you noindex them. (In fact it can through the pagination but that way it gets divided in a very unequal way so far from ideal).

                      Possibly they are still visible in the Google index yes, it takes time for Google to update those changes (sometimes months), if you want to speed it up you can use the url removal tool in Google webmasters.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        You can better remove some of the category code inside the category.php file so that the read more tags don't show up, you can then manually post new stuff in that php file, so that the snippets linking to your posts are unique.

                        Another way is to noindex the categories but how can the homepage juice flow to your inner posts that way?

                        With a small site that ain't a problem as you can use a recent post widget with 10 posts if you have 10 posts, but when you have a fairly large site then the juice can not flow to your posts when you noindex them. (In fact it can through the pagination but that way it gets divided in a very unequal way so far from ideal).

                        Possibly they are still visible in the Google index yes, it takes time for Google to update those changes (sometimes months), if you want to speed it up you can use the url removal tool in Google webmasters.
                        thanks, I am using studio press themes which has a seo settings already I put all the noindex but like you said it will take a long time before those categories disappear, Why does it take so long its already been several weeks and when I do a Site: search it still appears.
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                        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                          Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                          thanks, I am using studio press themes which has a seo settings already I put all the noindex but like you said it will take a long time before those categories disappear, Why does it take so long its already been several weeks and when I do a Site: search it still appears.
                          Do not noindex your categories. You want them indexed.

                          You just need to use the canonical tag. That takes care of any duplicate content issues.

                          https://support.google.com/webmaster...r/139394?hl=en

                          And to be honest, it is highly doubtful you would have to worry about a duplicate content issue anyhow. There is just not enough duplication there to trigger a massive problem, unless maybe if you are using tons of tags and all the snippets are showing up under them too.

                          You still want to use the canonical tag anyhow though so that Google only indexes your preferred version of the content.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Cyberdog1
                            I've always believed that Google has human reviewers - why wouldn't they? Nothing to worry about if you create high quality human-friendly sites
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                          • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
                            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                            Do not noindex your categories. You want them indexed.

                            You just need to use the canonical tag. That takes care of any duplicate content issues.

                            https://support.google.com/webmaster...r/139394?hl=en

                            And to be honest, it is highly doubtful you would have to worry about a duplicate content issue anyhow. There is just not enough duplication there to trigger a massive problem, unless maybe if you are using tons of tags and all the snippets are showing up under them too.

                            You still want to use the canonical tag anyhow though so that Google only indexes your preferred version of the content.
                            I am really stupid because I've been trying to understand that rel="canonical"tag Isn't that already built in with all wordpresses? I mean when you put up an article doesn't it already use a canonical tag? Or do you need a plug in or add it to the source code

                            I was told that I should Nonindex, follow all the categories, tags, authors, to avoid duplicated content.

                            Now I am lost. I noticed the categories are still up and I even added a new one and it is appearing in google search today, I thought the seo settings said noindex categories and pages, yet this page is showing up lol

                            I am wondering if the seo settings really work on Genesis themes>

                            Maybe I should just use that seo yoast plug in since people swear by it.
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                            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                              Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                              I am really stupid because I've been trying to understand that rel="canonical"tag Isn't that already built in with all wordpresses? I mean when you put up an article doesn't it already use a canonical tag? Or do you need a plug in or add it to the source code

                              I was told that I should Nonindex, follow all the categories, tags, authors, to avoid duplicated content.

                              Now I am lost. I noticed the categories are still up and I even added a new one and it is appearing in google search today, I thought the seo settings said noindex categories and pages, yet this page is showing up lol

                              I am wondering if the seo settings really work on Genesis themes>

                              Maybe I should just use that seo yoast plug in since people swear by it.
                              It's not built into WP core, it would have to be in your theme template files.
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                              • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
                                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                It's not built into WP core, it would have to be in your theme template files.
                                Is there any video explaining the canonical tag? like showing where to find it int he source code how to set it up?
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                                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                                  Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                                  Is there any video explaining the canonical tag? like showing where to find it int he source code how to set it up?

                                  Mike posted the WMT support link for canonical tags.

                                  Usually a canonical tag will be in the WP theme template file named header.php, on a rare occasion the theme developer might have it setup as an option in the themes functions.php template. Check the live web pages HTML source code first, it might already be setup correctly.

                                  If it's a paid premium theme the best thing to do is ask for the developers support for your specific theme.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
                                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                                    Mike posted the WMT support link for canonical tags.

                                    Usually a canonical tag will be in the WP theme template file named header.php, on a rare occasion the theme developer might have it setup as an option in the themes functions.php template. Check the live web pages HTML source code first, it might already be setup correctly.

                                    If it's a paid premium theme the best thing to do is ask for the developers support for your specific theme.
                                    <link rel="canonical" href=" " />

                                    ^I checked my source is this it? it has the article link
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                                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                      Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                                      <link rel="canonical" href=" " />

                                      ^I checked my source is this it? it has the article link
                                      Yes, that is it.
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                            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                              Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

                              I was told that I should Nonindex, follow all the categories, tags, authors, to avoid duplicated content.
                              Well whoever told you that is someone you probably should not listen to ever again. Do not noindex your categories. They play to vital of a role in your site's internal link structure.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by MisterMister View Post

    There are those algorithm penalties and manual penalties. Manual ones are usually user reviewed but there are user reviews that never give you an actual penalty, they call these irreversible penalties, meaning even if you submit a site for reconsideration it will say nothing wrong with your site, no manual penalty but your website ranking and traffic dropped drastically, this means scrapers can rank above your for your own content, what causes this is supposedly a human review, either a huge spike in traffic, adsense earnings or clicks, or multiple reports claiming your site is spam or google searchers reviewing your site and saying not a good user experience for them. (usually known as Negative SEO).
    In the real world what happens is the scraper site has better SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeepingDakota
    I believe Google has human reviewers. But i don't think they can just penalize your website with just a glance. I think they are considering a lot of factors for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author RyanLB
    I've never seen that Google manual review document before. Looks pretty legit and in depth. It's hard to imagine that they would be looking at any different factors now, than they were then. IMO, manual reviews will punish those that are not providing the correct context for a keyword, or are being overtly spammy.
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  • Profile picture of the author igl0w
    the top important phrases are human moderated. they dont just moderate sites, but moderate phrases and niches.
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    • Profile picture of the author markowe
      What someone told me was if you have a website that all of a sudden gets a traffic spike and high earnings in Adsense, it will trigger a review. If your site is not a huge LA Times site or established site they will lower your rank its basically a penalty without a penalty, your basically lose half your traffic because thy are trying to avoid smaller blogs to earn more money while protecting the interested of the advertisers, this is done because that is how many of the scraper, spam sites were gaming adsense and earning with black hat illegal strategies. Basically small site or niche site with high traffic spike and earnings for that day or week = spam site in googles mind.
      I think there is a fair bit of truth to that, and you can add an Adsense ban to that, too. It's what pretty much knocked me out of SEO, at least the niche site/Adsense side of things for the time being, this realisation that you can build and rank a site that earns you big money, even without any black/grey hat SEO and still get whacked, or rather get whacked precisely for that reason. Still haven't really come up with a suitable comeback to that, bit of a Catch-22...
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    • Profile picture of the author MisterMister
      Originally Posted by igl0w View Post

      the top important phrases are human moderated. they dont just moderate sites, but moderate phrases and niches.
      That makes sense, the top keywords in my search I no longer rank for them. So it makes sense that though popular keywords would be human moderated, the human will see a site and push it back.

      I noticed that sometimes I get an article on front page of google news and than within 5 minutes its gone and pushed down the serp. Probably some outsourced google worker not liking my site and pushing it back.
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