My new site got the "thin content with little or no added value" message from Google.

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My new niche site got the thin content penalty from Google. I am not too sure why it did, the site is very new and has 7 posts on it. 4 pages.

Each post is a product review with 1 Amazon affiliate link at the bottom. I am not advertising many links, only 1 per post. Each post has 800+ words, and content is all unique.

I have removed all affiliate links and requested a review, does anyone have any advice to help it get guaranteed accepted back into the index?

Thanks guys
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Add some Fat content with lots of value.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Did they say anything about affiliate links?

    I don't think so right, what's so hard to understand about the word "thin"?
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    • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Did they say anything about affiliate links?

      I don't think so right, what's so hard to understand about the word "thin"?
      Yeah, it was mentioned. Ive seen websites publishing content no more than 500 words and its all "crap content" that comes out, why do these sites not get penalized?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        Yeah, it was mentioned. Ive seen websites publishing content no more than 500 words and its all "crap content" that comes out, why do these sites not get penalized?
        You should look at your own sites, not at others.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Maybe other people will stop with the silly ideas that a page needs a lot of text, 800 words would be enough content for 80 pages on most of my sites (no joke).


    Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

    Yeah, it was mentioned. Ive seen websites publishing content no more than 500 words and its all "crap content" that comes out, why do these sites not get penalized?
    The amount of text has nothing to do with SEO or what Google wants.

    Google does have a problem with doorway pages that only exist for affiliate networks (even Adsense (MFA)).

    You could have a 10,000 word doorway page, Google will still look at it the same way they look at a 50 word doorway page.

    I imagine Google is seeing nearly 100% Amazon outbound links across the entire site, mix that with page title keywords like review, easy footprint.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Maybe other people will stop with the silly ideas that a page needs a lot of text, 800 words would be enough content for 80 pages on most of my sites (no joke).
      Do you make live video game tutorials or something?
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      • Profile picture of the author mandos123
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Do you make live video game tutorials or something?
        He has something to do with downloadable .zip or .exe or whatever. Completely different niche, but I guess he is banking with it.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Do you make live video game tutorials or something?
        No games,

        Most of my sites are download sites, all legal downloadable content that I personally created over the years. The sites have real content, my sites are the destination for traffic. Most of my content is inside zip files. Google can easily look inside zip files but I doubt they can read the industry standard file format that the zip file contains.

        The majority of my pages average around a sentence of text & a single image, they rank just fine, plus the usual internal links, etc...

        I do have a few video niche tutorials on a smaller niche site that I also use for links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scritty
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        Do you make live video game tutorials or something?
        My smallest site has 250,000 words on it. My largest 1.5 million. All hand written by myself or one of my two assistants over the past 17 years. Auto reviews, golf holidays and gaming are the three biggest niches I'm in going back to the 1990's.

        My golfing site got a "thin content" notice in August. I ignored it as it's the biggest site I have and has over 900 articles all unique (real unique, not "copyscape passed" unique) and almost one and a half million words, 300+ videos and thousands of images, mostly taken by me when reviewing the golf courses - so they're unique as well.

        After about 2 weeks with many words and phrases demoted, the site recovered back to it's original position for most of the 900+ keywords and phrases I track it's ranks for. Still one or two long tail phrases not where they were, but traffic is back to over 95% of what it was.

        I have no idea why it happened, and I'm not about to ask Google and potentially re-open the wound.

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    • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Maybe other people will stop with the silly ideas that a page needs a lot of text, 800 words would be enough content for 80 pages on most of my sites (no joke).




      The amount of text has nothing to do with SEO or what Google wants.

      Google does have a problem with doorway pages that only exist for affiliate networks (even Adsense (MFA)).

      You could have a 10,000 word doorway page, Google will still look at it the same way they look at a 50 word doorway page.

      I imagine Google is seeing nearly 100% Amazon outbound links across the entire site, mix that with page title keywords like review, easy footprint.
      I see what you mean and yes I have "review" in all the titles of the products I'm reviewing.

      I removed all the links and requested for review on the site. It just makes it slightly more difficult to monetize aswell...
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      • Profile picture of the author online only
        Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

        I see what you mean and yes I have "review" in all the titles of the products I'm reviewing.

        I removed all the links and requested for review on the site. It just makes it slightly more difficult to monetize aswell...
        You can monetize the site with amazon for sure, but you just can't keep making sites like best-dvd-players.info. (silly example since I doubt someone uses DVD's anymore, but still)

        You have to provide better information than just reviews with affiliate links. Yukon has a good point. What I would do in this kind of situation if I were (if you really want to stick with amazon for some reason).

        1) Get brandable domain (not close to EMD), for example: DVDparadise.net
        2) Get real links (I'm not talking about web2.0s, blog comments, forum signatures etc)
        3) Provide real reviews
        4) Create some articles without any affiliate links at all (for example: History of DVD players + infographic about it)
        5) Find articles that cover similar stuff, but are outdated and with less information - find people who have linked/shared this content, do some e-mail outreaching and voilaaa
        6) Repeat the process (see points 3-5)

        Here you go, you won't get this message again.
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    you made a review site with a handful of posts and pages.

    Ive never seen those before.
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    • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      you made a review site with a handful of posts and pages.

      Ive never seen those before.
      The site is "CLEARLY" not finished! I was updating the site once every few days with new reviews.

      This is the message I got.

      Here - 2013-09-09_1849 - larryboy03's library

      I noticed the domain I got, also had a past owner. It was registered back in 2010 but then let go, no history of backlinks from what I know.
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              • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
                Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

                hes right, i learned the hardway too.

                The sites that work for me have had over $500 spent on written content, I am now making money
                What I am saying is, the site is "new" and content has just been added, I started the site with only a few posts and I update every 2 days.

                I did not stop at 7 posts, I have already bought my content of 30 posts to be added.

                I am not putting them all on a once as I am adding them every few days to look updated on a consistent basis, once all 30 posts are up I will then order another 30 and continue to build the site up.

                I know it's not finished!!

                I never even said the site was finished!
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                • Profile picture of the author webby0031
                  Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

                  What I am saying is, the site is "new" and content has just been added, I started the site with only a few posts and I update every 2 days.

                  I did not stop at 7 posts, I have already bought my content of 30 posts to be added.

                  I am not putting them all on a once as I am adding them every few days to look updated on a consistent basis, once all 30 posts are up I will then order another 30 and continue to build the site up.I never even said the site was finished!
                  u must of had the site up for 5 days then based on what you are saying with regards to the content on the site and what you are posting

                  So your telling us you made a new site and got penalized all in a week
                  ? hahaaaaa
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                  • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
                    Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

                    u must of had the site up for 5 days then based on what you are saying with regards to the content on the site and what you are posting

                    So your telling us you made a new site and got penalized all in a week ? hah
                    I registered the domain 2/3 weeks ago, I installed wordpress last week and added a few pages and posts, then started adding posts every 2 days.

                    Then I got that message yesterday from Google.

                    Yeah funny man.
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                    • Profile picture of the author webby0031
                      Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

                      I registered the domain 2/3 weeks ago, I installed wordpress last week and added a few pages and posts, then started adding posts every 2 days.

                      Then I got that message yesterday from Google.

                      Yeah pretty funny man.
                      Fair play mate, is that really the truth. I am surprised big time... I dont understand... ive had half finished sites with a few amazon links on sitting there for a year with no penalty's.

                      So you got penalized within 3 weeks.. this the the first I have heard ever such a thing
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                      • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
                        Originally Posted by webby0031 View Post

                        Fair play mate, is that really the truth. I am surprised big time... I dont understand... ive had half finished sites with a few amazon links on sitting there for a year with no penalty's
                        Mate, I have no reason to lie.

                        That is why I am asking for advice.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
                      Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

                      I registered the domain 2/3 weeks ago, I installed wordpress last week and added a few pages and posts, then started adding posts every 2 days.

                      Then I got that message yesterday from Google.

                      Yeah funny man.

                      Hmm. Any idea what kind of history the domain has, if any?
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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by larryboy03 View Post

                      I registered the domain 2/3 weeks ago, I installed wordpress last week and added a few pages and posts, then started adding posts every 2 days.

                      Then I got that message yesterday from Google.

                      Yeah funny man.
                      Check Wayback & see If the previous owner/site was spammy.
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            • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
              Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

              Dont be an IDIOT. you admit the site is nothing. Either put a real ******* website online that has has tons of content and value or DON'T.
              Building a website is an ongoing process. Most people dont set up a thousand pages of content first and then upload it. What google is seeing is, every time one of your pages goes up, it has affiliate links. Do some with, then next time, some without.

              BTW, calling people idiots doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you a douche.
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              • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
                Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                Building a website is an ongoing process. Most people dont set up a thousand pages of content first and then upload it. What google is seeing is, every time one of your pages goes up, it has affiliate links. Do some with, then next time, some without.

                BTW, calling people idiots doesn't make you intelligent, it makes you a douche.
                Exactly. I never said it was finished, it's funny how some people just assume things and think there smart by adding childish comments.
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    What was the actual message you received, and was it in Webmaster Tools?

    Usually, "thin" is a Panda / algorithm issue that Google doesn't announce.
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  • Profile picture of the author webby0031
    Yes, is this a new message from webmaster tools ? ive not heard of this one before
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Hipeo has a true point, all those bullsh!t site sellers with their crappy 4-5 pages off the shelf get you penalized before you can say oeh or aah. Then when you get penalized they tell you to add content on regular base.

    WRONG

    A site need to have plenty of content right from the start, my suggestion:

    - 25 product review pages
    - 10 informative pages with different layouts and setups of the pages

    What works for me with the informative pages are:

    - best lists, like 10 products with 100 word description each and 10 images
    - a product comparsion page
    - pure informative like how to guide's with multiple images and video's and such

    And then you're done, it's total nonsense that you have to keep on posting to maintain rankings so first save the money for enough content and then publish it all at the same time.

    If you keep on adding content then you do that to attract more visitors from long tails, not because it gives you any other benefit, sure it builds up authority a bit more so perhaps you start to rank a little better when you inter link properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
    Had you put the Adsense ads? If this is the case remove these (adsense) kind of ads and make your site more rich by adding contents over the time. Also try to add more internals links within the pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author larryboy03
      Originally Posted by webdevpro View Post

      Had you put the Adsense ads? If this is the case remove these (adsense) kind of ads and make your site more rich by adding contents over the time. Also try to add more internals links within the pages.
      No I only had Amazon links pointing out. I linked to Wikipedia and some high authority domains too.
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  • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
    What many of you have not understand is that Google hates the "mee too" mentality, meaning: Why would Google send you traffic when they can clearly see the origin of this information ifs Amazon and you are not adding any value to the visitor?

    Why would they send you a visitor instead of sending it directly to Amazon?

    Google is sophisticated enough to know that most of this "review" sites are just copies of the same information, what you need to do is to add value to the people who is looking to buy the products you are promoting.

    example: can you create a video tutorial to help them implement faster what they will buy?, can you give them a piece of information they original buyer forgot to include? can you give another use than the original one it was designed?

    Then you are talking about adding real value to the customer, if you really read the message you got from Google it is talking about this, not about how many words you have, or how many pages your site have or if it is old enough etc... it is talking that they see no difference between the value (information) the user can find in your site and the information they can find in Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol, funny how that WMT screenshot/message actually mentions doorway pages, which is what most Amazon affiliate sites are, at least the sites most folks around here are building.

    Like I said before, I'm sure Google considers the pages Amazon doorways.

    For the guys harping on a site that isn't finished, define a finished site!

    No site is ever finished, considering it can always be expanded. I'm sure Google could care less that the site is finished, whatever finished is supposed to mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    It appears Your new site got caught in the filters. You just have to work with it. They will crawl again to check in a few days or weeks, so make hay while the sun shines right now. Take a deep breath and see this as a learning experience for what will work or not work.

    With the constant updates G does, this is likely to happen more often. Everything has to meet their criteria when they come checking it, or it is a no go.

    Like Nik0 says, Keep building more pages.

    Put your affiliate links back on. That is how you are going to make money. One per page, on the review pages should be fine. I sometimes have more.

    But make a number of pages/posts with no affiliate links. Maybe a few how to, more details of some sort with a link to one of your affiliate pages, a few videos from youtube on the products, that you summarize with a few paragraphs and could point to some of your affiliate pages, some how to videos without pointing anywhere, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I guess Google has enough Amazon product review pages and didn't want to add any more
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    • Profile picture of the author robinmymbd
      Perhaps, Google does not like Affiliation Program
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  • Profile picture of the author Hrkjds
    Never have such experience before. May be its a Google's new policy. I don't understand what they have meant by "Thin" content. Duplicate content, quality content, unique content and now Thin content..
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  • Profile picture of the author A S M
    doesnt matter if you wrote 800+ words... you can rank with 100 words just the same.
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