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Relax Guys. Everything is Going Fine... :)

by Hossain
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Well I have completed ranking 8 different sites for 48 different keywords. All of these sites are now within top 3 for competitive to semi competitive keywords. As an experiment I am working on an info domain simultaneously. 3 competitive keywords chosen for the experiment. After just 1 month of work now the site is on

#6 for keyword 1 46K exact match search volume
#9 for keyword 2 12K exact match search volume
#12 for keyword 3 8K exact match search volume

for all 3 keywords Amazon affiliate sites are on top 3 positions. So the keywords are untapped. Some Youtube videos and old high PR domains are ranking high too. I am pretty sure the old domains are purchased to rank affiliate sites as name of the domains and contents of the websites are not matching at all. According to ahref and SEO Spyglass my competitors are doing well. Lots of high PR backlinks (I didn't dig through but I assume they are blog comments) along with some high PR satellite sites are pointing towards the domains. On the other hand my info domain website is

- Just 4 month old
- Hosted on my personal server. Extremely poor configuration even I feel shy to share more about this! lol
- Just 3 blog posts!
- I still didn't customize the site
- Categories not added
- Just 3 pages - Home, blogs and About me
- No tags added
- All 3 articles are collected from ezine and poorly spun.
- Internal linking is not done yet now. Installed wordpress CMS so some link juice passing without anchor text

So onpage optimization is barely done. To be honest I didn't expect it will rank as quick as it did! :p

Well what I did to rank the page? Also how I ranked other 8 websites (home pages and internal pages)?

Well I opened this thread mainly to say newbies that don't be panic. Old school methods are still working. Try to do as white hat as much as you can but still we can rank sites using widely practiced black or gray hat methods. Here now I will tell you which old school methods I used and which are still effective that you might try for your sites.

Here are some methods that I personally tested and I can ensure that these are still good for SEO.

- Guest posts specially relevant niche guest posts.
- Web 2.0s. Little bit week than before but still good for satellite sites.
- Article directories.
- Document sharing sites.
- Podcast directories.
- Aged authority domains for satellite sites are still good option even though expensive. As google not updating PR so try to get domains with 50 PA and DA. 25 PA/DA is not bad too. But for competitive keywords you need high authority domains.
- Broken link building approach is another good way to achieve good ranks.
- For local SEO local directory listings work really good.
- Blog commenting is still working.
- Infographics are not bad.
- Group posts are working well.
- PAD submission works.
- High PR directory submission can be another good way even though I never tried this method except some high authority directories like dmoz, yahoo directory etc.
- You can try elgg, jcow, phpfox, wiki etc. platforms too.

Finally the main concept remains same as it was. Build backlinks from

- Contextual
- Dofollow
- Low OBL or one way
- Relevant
- Good PR and high PA, DA
- High authority pages.

To check authority and link juice of a page see google PR and Moz PA, DA. PR is already outdated but still can be counted for few upcoming months. I would recommend you to see majestic and ahref. Between these 2 I love ahref. SEO Spyglass is another tool to have a look on the backlinks of a page. However if finding high authority page is difficult then build a relevant page and do some high PR, PA, DA blog commenting to redirect link juice to the newly built page. The page will get some authority which in the end will funnel some authority to your site thus good ranking.

Thats all for now. Hope this will help to you to get back confidence.
#fine #guys #relax
  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

    I would add a Start Here or Resource page depending on the niche with some very helpful information as well as resources and tools that of course pay you commission.

    -Art
    As said Amazone products are available and search volume is high. So I am planning to add an affiliate link as soon as possible. First of all I have to replace spun contents and add an attractive post. Even a single dollar will be bonus for me now.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      What are "group posts"?
      Google plz. In brief some websites will allow you to create groups and then share articles, files etc. with group members. Usually these posts are publicly viewable.
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      • Profile picture of the author dennis09
        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        Google plz. In brief some websites will allow you to create groups and then share articles, files etc. with group members. Usually these posts are publicly viewable.
        Yahoo groups is a good one. Can even program the process into magic submitter
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      • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        Google plz. In brief some websites will allow you to create groups and then share articles, files etc. with group members. Usually these posts are publicly viewable.
        Would you mind if I bookmarked this? I want to keep checking back on your progress as this is all very recent information.

        Also, you mentioned groups, could you share some of these sites that will allow group creation and public posts. Not every single one as you would want to save some for yourself and no reason to share and have them over run with spam. But even a few would be very much appreciated. Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      Thanks for sharing this. Many believe that some methods have stopped working. This is not true. One just needs to be more careful re: HOW & WHERE the backlinks are built (eg: avoid spammy sites & keyword over optimization). Good post.
      I seriously wonder when the day comes that you start listening to yourself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      Thanks for sharing this. Many believe that some methods have stopped working. This is not true.
      I dont want to encourage spammers but this post is made to ensure marketers that some might thinking old school methods are not working which is simply wrong.

      Originally Posted by strategic seo services View Post

      (eg: avoid spammy sites & keyword over optimization). Good post.
      I have noticed backlinks from high authority sites work much better than low authority sites. I can remember I got PR3 after last toolbar update by only 12 posts from 12 good authority sites which is almost impossible by 12 backlinks from wordpress, blogspot, weebly bla bla bla spammy sites. Well I do believe more important thing is the backlink page itself. No matter from where you are getting backlinks once you know how to funnel juice to your newly created backlink page.
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    Great post, although I can still see some huge red flags in your backlinking strategy. Why don't you just create legit links instead of getting crap from here and there? I mean, 50% of you links are somewhat legit, but what's the point of having them when the other 50% of links that may cause you penguin or whatever penalty?

    Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      Great post, although I can still see some huge red flags in your backlinking strategy. Why don't you just create legit links instead of getting crap from here and there? I mean, 50% of you links are somewhat legit, but what's the point of having them when the other 50% of links that may cause you penguin or whatever penalty?

      Just my 2 cents.
      First of all in SEO its hard to believe one can rank a site depending on 100% legit links. Even if you know you can do it then it will be expensive. After testing oDesk, freelancer etc. and special offers in forums nowadays client's became mingy to spend on SEO projects. So I always need to balance these.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
    A lot of times there is the honeymoon period, then your sites get put to where the site will sit after G has run it through it's checks.

    Do you think it will hold up to the ongoing Panda algorythm? Your sites seem thin?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexzeto
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      Do you think it will hold up to the ongoing Panda algorythm? Your sites seem thin?
      I have the answer to your question.

      No,those websites will not hold up...
























      Let them be happy for the next 3 months
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      A lot of times there is the honeymoon period, then your sites get put to where the site will sit after G has run it through it's checks.

      Do you think it will hold up to the ongoing Panda algorythm? Your sites seem thin?
      Jeannie, the thread is created to say "old school methods are not dead". I didn't talk about any long lasting bullet proof SEO method. In fact in SEO industry you cant give guarantee for any method even if you think it is 100% white hat. I think you missed the point.

      Well since 2009 how many updates lunched by google? I have been using same method since 2009 and never got any problem. Never got "unnatural links detected" love letter. Every year I optimize hundreds of pages for hundreds of keywords. For me and for my clients. Never faced any problem. Of course I didn't cover every technique I use for SEO on this post. I know many dodgy as well as simple but effective white hat strategies I am pretty sure very few warriors are conversant about those. However all ancient link building methods are not expired or hazardous. It all depends on you. How you are handling those traditional techniques. But sometimes we make things complicated even though the problems can be solved in simple manners.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
        I understand you are trying to give people hope. I am not trying to argue with you, just give a bigger picture...

        Without fleshing the site out more, often it will be a churn an burn site - only up for months, not years. If People want to do churn and burn sites, then carry on.

        My experience: It seems like sites over 20 pages are doing much better than a site of 10 pages. I have both.

        Old school methods are not dead, although harder to carry off for many, but without doing enough to meet some of G's current checklist of do's and don'ts most people will be wasting their time. Things are changing and we need to keep up with it.






        Originally Posted by Hossain View Post

        Jeannie, the thread is created to say "old school methods are not dead". I didn't talk about any long lasting bullet proof SEO method. In fact in SEO industry you cant give guarantee for any method even if you think it is 100% white hat. I think you missed the point.

        Well since 2009 how many updates lunched by google? I have been using same method since 2009 and never got any problem. Never got "unnatural links detected" love letter. Every year I optimize hundreds of pages for hundreds of keywords. For me and for my clients. Never faced any problem. Of course I didn't cover every technique I use for SEO on this post. I know many dodgy as well as simple but effective white hat strategies I am pretty sure very few warriors are conversant about those. However all ancient link building methods are not expired or hazardous. It all depends on you. How you are handling those traditional techniques. But sometimes we make things complicated even though the problems can be solved in simple manners.
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        • Profile picture of the author Hossain
          Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post


          Without fleshing the site out more, often it will be a churn an burn site - only up for months, not years. If People want to do churn and burn sites, then carry on.
          I disagree. I said I never faced any penalty or bad link report from google for using those link sources since 2009. You will agree with me that Google frequently updated its algo and lunched new filters within last 2 years. Again all depends on your SEO merit and how you build backlinks. I am not denying quality backlinks at all. Also not talking about extremely competitive keywords. Obviously you are not going to be able to beat high authority websites using these backlink sources but if you know how to utilize these then you surely can get long term results too. One of my sites is ranked on #1 for 27000 EMS since 2010 where first page of the SERP is full of EMDs and folks are trying to outrank me during last 3 years. When I optimized the site I even didnt hear anything abotu blog networks. So the site is ranking solely using web 2.0s, article directories, blog comments bla bla bla low quality backlinks. How I did? I just built a link pyramid. And than did dofollow blog blast to it. Thats all.


          Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post


          My experience: It seems like sites over 20 pages are doing much better than a site of 10 pages. I have both.
          Don't misunderstand me. Not trying to prove you false in all cases. But its completely wrong concept. I can outrank 20 page websites by 3 page websites as google emphasize on backlinks more than page numbers of a site. Here I am talking about backlinks from both external and internal sources.

          Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

          Old school methods are not dead, although harder to carry off for many, but without doing enough to meet some of G's current checklist of do's and don'ts most people will be wasting their time. Things are changing and we need to keep up with it.
          I agree with your last sentence. But again disagree with earlier sentences. Google will never give you guideline to rank your site. You have to do your own research to find out what is working and what is not working. Lets talk about page rank sculpting. In a blog Matt said PRS is strictly forbidden! Lol now it is clear that Google stopped updating PR as PR is a vital factor in SEO. So never listen to Google rather doing your own experiments.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Jeannie Crabtree View Post

      Do you think it will hold up to the ongoing Panda algorythm? Your sites seem thin?
      It sounds like a lot of work for sites that won't hold up, but the solution is easy, just invest a little more in content to have like 20-40 pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeannie Crabtree
        I agree, I just wanted to check first on what he was thinking.


        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        It sounds like a lot of work for sites that won't hold up, but the solution is easy, just invest a little more in content to have like 20-40 pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author RickCopy
    Don't misunderstand me. Not trying to prove you false in all cases. But its completely wrong concept. I can outrank 20 page websites by 3 page websites as google emphasize on backlinks more than page numbers of a site. Here I am talking about backlinks from both external and internal sources.
    Im sure you can... for a month.
    Dont pretend to know what the algo is... you're guessing, im guessing, we're all guessing.

    Put up good content, network with other sites in your niche to get links, market your content and be patient. The rest takes care of itself.
    With all the effort people are putting in to manipulate the system you could just put out more content and get the same results... and not sweat every time google makes a change.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hossain
      Originally Posted by RickCopy View Post

      Im sure you can... for a month.
      Dont pretend to know what the algo is... you're guessing, im guessing, we're all guessing.
      Good. Continue guessing.

      Originally Posted by RickCopy View Post

      Put up good content, network with other sites in your niche to get links, market your content and be patient. The rest takes care of itself.
      With all the effort people are putting in to manipulate the system you could just put out more content and get the same results... and not sweat every time google makes a change.
      Oh! I didn't know that! Good advice. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bent SEO
    How long do you think these will stay ranking well? Jumping up and ranking then dipping is one thing, but sticking for years is another.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    How long do you think these will stay ranking well? Jumping up and ranking then dipping is one thing, but sticking for years is another.
    updates won't let you stay at the top for long. you have to keep working if you want to stay at top.
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    • Profile picture of the author Bent SEO
      Originally Posted by Moneymaker2012 View Post

      updates won't let you stay at the top for long. you have to keep working if you want to stay at top.
      That's what I mean - these thin links are essentially trash for long term SEO. Why not build quality links on quality sites that last years? Less work over a long period of time and you can focus on building an authority site in the niche instead of always trying to "be 1 ahead of google"
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Bent SEO View Post

        That's what I mean - these thin links are essentially trash for long term SEO. Why not build quality links on quality sites that last years? Less work over a long period of time and you can focus on building an authority site in the niche instead of always trying to "be 1 ahead of google"
        I also don't really understand the point of it.

        Then some people say, yeah you must use good content on those sites, but why spend a fortune on good content to achieve a PR n/a link that's miles away from the homepage.

        Especially when building a thin site of a few pages it's totally not worth all the effort. Oh well, everyone should do what he feel comfortable with, I rather spend my money on high PR domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgand
    Wow, it sounds like your doing a good job. Thanks for the advice. It's hard to keep up with all the changes google makes now. It seems like they make changes to the algorithum every few months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
    RickCopy Bent SEO Moneymaker2012 I am quite sure you didnt read my post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Hands up who's waiting for this junk to tank..

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    • Profile picture of the author jordanwarrior
      I'd also like to see an update on how your sites are doing. Personally, I've seen too much carnage to believe you. However, if you do indeed have a system, I have a site that needs recovery work done on it.
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      • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
        Looks like he hasn't been on since I've called him out on something. Oh well lol.
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    Sucked deep into Google penalties.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I feel bad now. Maybe I shouldn't have called him out that bad :/.
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    • Profile picture of the author jordanwarrior
      He's around; probably just ignoring this thread.

      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      I feel bad now. Maybe I shouldn't have called him out that bad :/.
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