How To Interpretate Stats From Ahrefs, Majestics, OSE when buying a high PR domain!

by nik0 Banned
21 replies
  • SEO
  • |
Now that the Google PR hasn't been updated for quite a while we are looking at other stats like:

DA/PA/Mozrank/Trustrank from Opensiteexplorer.org

Citation Flow & Trust Flow from Majestics

Ahrefs rank from Ahrefs

--------------------------------------------------

Although Ahrefs improved their stats a bit lately it's still one big mess that makes no sense.

DA/PA from Opensiteexplorer can be faked extremely easy by blasting trackbacks, blog comments, guest book links.

Citation Flow & Trust Flow from Majestic can be hugely outdated, even up to 6+ months.

---------------------------------------------------

So what to do with these stats when they are so unreliable?

Let me first start with a little case study:

- A scammer at DP offers the following PR5 domain: thewindowsmom.net
- DA 29 / PA 41 (not terrible although too low for a legit PR5)
- Ahrefs domain rank 45 (same as above)
- Citation Flow 15
- Trust Flow 2

GOT YA, Trust flow 2 is freaking impossible for a PR5 domain, heck a PR0 domain with a handful of legit links would have a much higher Trust Flow.

This shows how important it is to pre-run domains through a tool like Netpeak Checker so that you know which domains are not worth it to further analyze.

I love Netpeak as it allows you to load 100's of domains at the same time and filter laser-fast through them.

That seller has 40+ domains for sale and I suspect all of them to be similar, however he didn't past the whole url's so I couldn't test.

Anyway, the final most important test on this domain was downloading all the links from Ahrefs and running them through Scrapebox for a PR check and guess what:

- 3 PR3 links (all from same url, just with and without www. and such)
- 1 PR1 link

----------------------------------------------

Some tips when using Netpeak checker:

- In case the Majestic Trust Flow is high then check whether the DA/PA are high as well, if they are very low you can be sure that that domain once had a ton of legit links but that they are removed (hence my comment about Majestic being so outdated)

- In case DA/PA are high, make sure that the Majestic Trust Flow is high as well, otherwise you could easily end up with a DA40/PA50 domain that has a trust flow of only 8, which means that it's a heavily spammed domain with hardly any solid links

- Ahrefs rank, well better just ignore that one as it has always been super flawed and still is.

It haven't taken MozRank and TrustRank into account as I never compared it in such way although I do always look at them, let's say mozrank =3 and trust rank =3 and the domain is PR4, then it's very unlikely that the domain is still a PR4, much more often a PR3 and in few cases even as low as PR2.

Hope this helped!
#ahrefs #buying #domain #high #interpretate #majestics #ose #stats
  • Profile picture of the author markowe
    Nice advice, thanks, I am going to have to get back into buying domains after a year or so off, and the game has completely changed with the "death of PR" so this is really helpful.
    Signature

    Who says you can't earn money as an eBay affiliate any more? My stats say otherwise

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8513796].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Andrewsfm
    Can you give us some examples of what da/pa = PR

    e.g

    PR1 = da of roughly 10/pa 20 Trust Flow: 10 etc... I know thats not correct
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8516405].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Andrewsfm View Post

      Can you give us some examples of what da/pa = PR

      e.g

      PR1 = da of roughly 10/pa 20 Trust Flow: 10 etc... I know thats not correct
      Some very rough guidelines:

      PR3 = DA25 / PA32 / CF 18 / TF15

      PR4 = DA30 / PA40 / CF22 / TF20

      PR5 = DA40 / PA50 / CF25 / TF25

      Obvious this can fluctuate real hard, there is so many differences in quality, sometimes you see PR3 domains with higher stats then PR5's.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8516958].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Some very rough guidelines:

        PR3 = DA25 / PA32 / CF 18 / TF15

        PR4 = DA30 / PA40 / CF22 / TF20

        PR5 = DA40 / PA50 / CF25 / TF25

        Obvious this can fluctuate real hard, there is so many differences in quality, sometimes you see PR3 domains with higher stats then PR5's.
        Agreed but I find trustflow best at the higher level. Due to how trustflow chooses its core domains and pages (to "flow" from) its possible to have legit PR3 status but a low trustflow. The sites its getting juice from can still be considered less authoritative. At the five and higher then you are right it would be near impossible to have a low trustflow.

        I'm really liking trustflow - a lot

        I am also liking Moz's rate of updates and accuracy far better than Google's and would like to see PR done away with but my suspicion now ( thought about it some more) is they will keep it around if for nothing else than to keep some influence (and therefore be able to sabotage) in the domain market.

        When I switched over to the other metrics I thought they would be inferior but the combination of two third party metric systems with no motive to sabotage anything has worked out better than Pagerank so far.

        BTW the downside is things have gotten a bit more complicated BUT a huge part f the market is still running down PR metrics which means the upside is there ARE some very nice deals being missed with sites that got links over the last year and which are expiring without PR ever having been reflected properly
        Signature

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517099].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author danparks
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          BTW the downside is things have gotten a bit more complicated BUT a huge part f the market is still running down PR metrics which means the upside is there ARE some very nice deals being missed with sites that got links over the last year and which are expiring without PR ever having been reflected properly
          This is very true. Just like PR can be wrong because an expired domain has lost a lot of backlinks ("this can't still be a PR3, it only has a couple of backlinks"), it can be wrong "the other direction" ("this should be higher than a PR1, it's got a bunch of great backlinks over the last 6 to 9 months"). So a lot of PR1 and PR2 domains are skipped over, when in fact they could easily be worth the $10 registration fee as they're possibly PR3 or so (as Google internally views them).
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517220].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author nik0
            Banned
            Originally Posted by danparks View Post

            This is very true. Just like PR can be wrong because an expired domain has lost a lot of backlinks ("this can't still be a PR3, it only has a couple of backlinks"), it can be wrong "the other direction" ("this should be higher than a PR1, it's got a bunch of great backlinks over the last 6 to 9 months"). So a lot of PR1 and PR2 domains are skipped over, when in fact they could easily be worth the $10 registration fee as they're possibly PR3 or so (as Google internally views them).
            Lol I forgot those are that cheap indeed, perhaps worth it to launch up some tools right now
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517610].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author nik0
          Banned
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          BTW the downside is things have gotten a bit more complicated BUT a huge part f the market is still running down PR metrics which means the upside is there ARE some very nice deals being missed with sites that got links over the last year and which are expiring without PR ever having been reflected properly
          I'm also crazy about Trust Flow, seems the most reliable one when taking the other stats into account as well, purely to verify the legitimacy of the stat.

          I think that it's right now still a bit too early to filter domains on PR1-PR2, in the hope to find PR5-6 back links pointed at them. The chance is just not that high to see a site gather PR5+ links and then expiring a couple of months later, when the PR hasn't been updated for 1 year then it becomes hugely interesting as by then you can even check PR n/a's, or actually you must. I should setup some dedicated servers of VPS by then where Netpeak Checker is running all day long.

          Back ordering domains would get a new dimension as well.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517606].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author sun2son
          Mike,
          When looking a Trust Flow in Majestic - are you focused on the last 180 days or the 'all-time' number?
          Same question regarding the number & 'quality' of the backlinks. I'm looking at a domain that has thousands of 'all-time' backlinks but I'm concerned it will take too much effort to 'delute' the over-optimization of the anchor-text &/or that junk BL's (links on non-related sites) will do more harm than good.
          Appreciate your time and attention
          tia,
          John
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8874130].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    This is such a deceptive trade to try and negotiate. So much fraud going on. I just took delivery of a PR3 I want to build out to sell. Hope I didn't screw up.
    Signature

    Tim Pears

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8516764].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author yukon
      Banned
      Originally Posted by timpears View Post

      This is such a deceptive trade to try and negotiate. So much fraud going on. I just took delivery of a PR3 I want to build out to sell. Hope I didn't screw up.
      Either the supporting links exist or they don't.

      Research the links/PR first, buy later.
      Signature
      Hi
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8516844].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    downloading all the links from Ahrefs and running them through Scrapebox for a PR check and guess what:

    - 3 PR3 links (all from same url, just with and without www. and such)
    - 1 PR1 link
    The real growing problem is that the closer we get to a year without a PR update the less reliable checking the backlinks of a domain for PR becomes. The links PR is actually old data too although for really aged domains that holds up better.

    At any rate Google is getting what they no doubt want - Its getting much harder to check PR then look at link PR and call it a day. Anything that impedes the domain with links market is good for them.

    BTW the answer to the gaming of PA/DA that can be had from blasting links is helped greatly in netpeak by backlink count. Skip the very high link counts and it falls into line much better.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517069].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      The real growing problem is that the closer we get to a year without a PR update the less reliable checking the backlinks of a domain for PR becomes. The links PR is actually old data too although for really aged domains that holds up better.

      At any rate Google is getting what they no doubt want - Its getting much harder to check PR then look at link PR and call it a day. Anything that impedes the domain with links market is good for them.

      BTW the answer to the gaming of PA/DA that can be had from blasting links is helped greatly in netpeak by backlink count. Skip the very high link counts and it falls into line much better.
      Good idea about checking the very high link counts indeed.

      I wonder whether Majestic and OSE use the PR metric as part of their formula, if so it becomes even more unreliable.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8517580].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author adhicraft
    I like netpeak checker too
    But, Trustflow filtering not working now
    Do you have same problem?
    Any other alternatives for mass trustflow checker?

    Thanks
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8749156].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by adhicraft View Post

      I like netpeak checker too
      But, Trustflow filtering not working now
      Do you have same problem?
      Any other alternatives for mass trustflow checker?

      Thanks
      Either paid subscription or many free accounts and private proxies might do the job.

      Make sure you also select number of links and referring domain stats in Netpeak, sometimes it's buggy and doesn't show CF/TF when the rest isn't selected, like it needs to be triggered somehow.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8750611].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author sjewson
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Either paid subscription or many free accounts and private proxies might do the job.

        Make sure you also select number of links and referring domain stats in Netpeak, sometimes it's buggy and doesn't show CF/TF when the rest isn't selected, like it needs to be triggered somehow.
        I tried activating Majestic SEO backlinks, referring domains, citation and trust flow in netpeak 2.1.2.9 but no variables are being returned.

        I only have free majestic account. do you need to enter your free login details in netpeak settings in the form emailaddress: password ??
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8764307].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author nik0
          Banned
          Originally Posted by sjewson View Post

          I tried activating Majestic SEO backlinks, referring domains, citation and trust flow in netpeak 2.1.2.9 but no variables are being returned.

          I only have free majestic account. do you need to enter your free login details in netpeak settings in the form emailaddress: password ??
          No you don't but it's recommended to be logged in at Majestic while starting Netpeak Checker.

          It can also be that you reached your day quota already.

          One more important thing, make sure to select back links and referring domains, sometimes the rest doesn't get triggered when you don't do that, it's a bit buggy sometimes.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8764528].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author sjewson
            Hi thanks for the reply.

            Still no difference. I even opened a new majestic account to try this out to make sure I wasnt over quota and Im only testing it on one domain.

            All Majestic options are checked as per previous post.

            No dice
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8764663].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author nik0
              Banned
              Originally Posted by sjewson View Post

              Hi thanks for the reply.

              Still no difference. I even opened a new majestic account to try this out to make sure I wasnt over quota and Im only testing it on one domain.

              All Majestic options are checked as per previous post.

              No dice
              Make sure you don't use proxies, I tried that once and couldn't pull stats that way either.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8765035].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author sjewson
                no I dont have proxies, its been like this for ages I just wondered if they stopped support in Netpeak
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8765257].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tbtb123
    nice advices, I like to manually check the high PR backlinks myself and ofcourse check for any spammy/suspicious activity
    Signature
    » Number 1 Source of High Quality SEO Domains! «
    100% Spam Free Domains! Without Manipulations! With Natural High PR Backlinks! Ideal For PBNs!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8758200].message }}

Trending Topics