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Web 2.0/ PBN Questions

by Paul Tovey
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Hello All,

I've read so much recently about Web 2.0/ Blog Networks.
Having an army of your own high PR websites to use for backlink purposes can be incredibly powerful, I imagine Google will do something about this soon, but that's not the topic for today. I've read so much conflicting information from the forum recently and I would like to separate fact from Fiction and know exactly what i'm doing here.

In summary, I want to make a network of high PR websites, I have the funds to do so, but I have no idea if it's worth the effort, is it worth the time/ funds?

Originally my thoughts were:
Sign up to a lot of Web 2.0's, create a full profile on each, get some regular fiverr content on there with some backlinks. Give it the occasional blast with a link gig from somewhere. Because as far as i'm aware, penalties are not carried from Tier 1 links.. I think. Is it worth doing this for Tier 2?

My question really is, is this a bad idea? Is there an easier/ cheaper way to do this? Something like RankWyz? Would it be better to buy high domains/ hosting or build an array of Web 2.0's?

What is the best way to do this?
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  • Profile picture of the author danparks
    Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

    Originally my thoughts were:
    Sign up to a lot of Web 2.0's, create a full profile on each, get some regular fiverr content on there with some backlinks. Give it the occasional blast with a link gig from somewhere. Because as far as i'm aware, penalties are not carried from Tier 1 links.. I think. Is it worth doing this for Tier 2?

    My question really is, is this a bad idea? Is there an easier/ cheaper way to do this? Something like RankWyz? Would it be better to buy high domains/ hosting or build an array of Web 2.0's?

    What is the best way to do this?
    There's not really much point in trying to build a network of new web 2.0 sites, because they all start at PR0. And will stay at PR0 unless they each get a number of decent backlinks directed to them (meaning backlinks from PR1+ pages).

    Most people (myself included) build a network by buying domains that already have PR. Or, now that the "real" PR of a page is harder to determine due to the Google toolbar not being updated for well over half a year, relying on PR, examining the backlink profile, and using other metrics like mozRank, Page Authority, Domain Authority, etc.

    Doing the above, you have (eventually) many pages from different domains that carry some authority, and you can then post links to multiple sites you want to rank. And since you're in control of content, you can create contextual articles of any length, and pick anchor text of your choosing.
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    • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
      Hey, Dan ... You're really not accurate in how Web 2.0/parasite blog networks work or gather PR. I've built PR3 & PR4 Web 2.0 blogs regularly and still continue to use them as a part of my everyday operation.

      In comparison to a PBN I do think that a web 2.0 blog network should be used as a secondary link priority in some cases (but not all.)

      I've been doing it for about 4 years      , and have used about every tool out there to do it. Because of my experience with it - I hope you won't mind if I come into the thread and say something a little different.

      A private blog network and a web 2.0 blog network are completely different animals. Ultimately a blog network is highly effective, particularly when made up of private domains. There's thousands of people that use them for a reason - they work.

      Web 2.0/Parasite blog networks are a little different. You don't get nearly the same effect out of a single web 2.0/parasite blog network post that you would if it were on a pr4 private domain.

      But you do get a lot of other benefits by using them that you don't with private domains.

      Link Mass -       Despite Google's best efforts as of late, link mass is still a very workable model of link building. It's not as easy as just throwing up a link someplace and backlinking the hell out of the page that link is on - but it is still viable.

      For instance - let's combine these two networks.

      If the OP were to purchase 30 or 50 blog posts, I bet he would reap benefits. Of course, not all of the individual posts would index in all cases - and once they fall off the primary pages with PR (such as the home page, or top of category pages) those individual posts would lose all of their internally built link juice.

      What can he do?

      Well, if he was maintaining thousands of individual parasite blogs he could have been drip feeding links to those individual posts and building external inbound link juice into the posts the whole time. That way when they did lose their internally built juice, they would still have some links propping them up.

      Further more, he could tier his web 2.0/parasite blog networks, but only as one means to build value into the first tier. Of course, that first tier should also be getting link juice from other sources, preferably with PR themselves (on the pages the links reside on.)

      I'm not directly disagreeing with everything you've said - but I do not think you are correct in dismissing them so quickly. In fact my experience proves to me that it would be in error to write them off.

      That having been said, OP - I do not really agree with your approach to using them.

      If you are going to step into link spam at all, which don't mistake this and somehow think that building a web 2.0/parasite blog network isn't just that - you should probably fully commit to really running and managing a network.

      You've got this half-n-half approach going on with fiverr content and it's really not necessary to add a costly human element into this.

      This isn't exactly the most accepting forum of this kind of topic though, so that's about where I'll leave it.

      Final Word: As with anything - you can use it like an ass and not have it work. But that's true of anything, even private blog networks.
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      • Profile picture of the author danparks
        Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

        I take it you haven't built a whole lot of parasite blog networks yourself, have you?
        Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

        Well, if he was maintaining thousands of individual parasite blogs he could have been drip feeding links to those individual posts and building external inbound link juice into the posts the whole time. That way when they did lose their internally built juice, they would still have some links propping them up.
        From OP's post I didn't think he was interested in anything at all like "maintaining thousands of...". To me it sounded like he wanted to jump in and set up a little network of several sites and try to make that work. We could go on and on about all the details of networks, but I think he just wanted to get started and if that's the case, then he wouldn't want to start building a network of PR0 web 2.0 sites. I think he's under the impression that just creating a bunch of web 2.0 sites and throwing low quality backlinks at them would serve as the network (not cutting down OP, he did say he was confused about the issue).


        Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

        I'm not directly disagreeing with everything you've said - but I do not think you are correct in dismissing them so quickly. In fact my experience proves to me that it would be in error to write them off.
        I'm not dismissing them at all. I just think OP is wanting to start out simple, and for that I think picking up several PR domains would serve him well. I think the info you offered is great, but beyond what OP needs to start. And I do follow you on different forums and like all the in-depth info you have to offer. Not really arguing with you, just saying I think OP should start simple and start with a few PR domains, and eventually incorporate other factors (that you mention) later on. That's what I did, and it worked and worked great. It was only after a little time passed, and I started to catch on to things (learn from my mistakes) that I considered expanding (gotta walk before you can run).
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      • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
        I agree with just about every response so far, except my view is slightly different regarding web20's. If they are set up properly, with informative content and images/videos, etc, and an author profile and pic, and not just spammed with what was obviously done with blasting software, they can be made to look like a natural site (ie not set up by you), with honest natural links.

        We all know that private blog networks work and work extremely well, so as not to sound putting them down, I will have to also say that they can get expensive. And for boosting only one site, how many links can you squeeze out of a private domain before they stop counting? Or before your domain starts looking obviously built for ranking purposes? At least with web20's, if you lose it, you lose it, oh well, build another one, you're not out anything. You can feel free to blast the hell out of them without worrying about deindexing like you would a pbn domain that cost you $$$.

        Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

        If you are going to step into link spam at all, which don't mistake this and somehow think that building a web 2.0/parasite blog network isn't just that - you should probably fully commit to really running and managing a network.
        Agreed.. just that I might also consider pbn's a form of link spam, only on a highly focused scale

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  • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
    I see.

    I hope you didn't take that as me jumping on you. I even edited it to kinda tone it down and hopefully make it more clear that I wasn't trying to be aggressive.

    I just had a lot to say, so it read a little long. That wasn't at all meant to attack but rather meant to explain why I thought that way.

    As soon as he said 'RankWYZ' I took that to mean something a little more industrial, as it is geared and aimed specifically at that crowd.

    I think you are correct, if he is just starting out - building a private blog network is the way to go. Alternatively, there's slightly cheaper and riskier options like FightBack, but that's a pick your poison scenario as to what direction to go then.

    Cheap/Good Security VS More Expensive/Better Security, pick one.

    So OP,

    What's your experience level?
    What is it that you want to do? Please be as precise as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Web2.0's aren't too effective for me as the link juice that you point at them get diluted hugely due to these help/about/contact/fag etc links on those platforms.

    Sure you can spam the hell out of them with high PR blog comments to pass juice but I personally keep even my tiered links clear of mass spam as I have some large clients who will kill me when I start practicing that type of things.

    And as said, it just doesn't seem effective to me to point permanent high PR links at those web2.0's to boost them up as the juice gets diluted too much.

    - let's say 1 PR3 link passes 3 link juices

    Point such link directly at your site and your site has 3 link juices
    Point it at a web2.0 that has 10 internal links and your site only gets 0,3 link juices

    In other words you only get to keep 10% of the juice.

    Now if you're on a small budget and you only have a dozen or so high PR sites then those external platforms can help to get the most out of your network as you don't want to keep on linking from the same domains over and over, especially in case you have multiple money sites to rank then you don't want to keep linking out from the same batch.

    ps: link juices is just a word I made up to show what I mean.
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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Tovey
    Thank you all, these are really great answers.
    And don't worry godoveryou/ danparks, I understand completely that you were not attacking the idea, I can see both of your points.

    So, OP, What's your experience level?
    What is it that you want to do? Please be as precise as possible.
    I have a pretty good understanding of how Tiered linking and link building works, but with little practical application.
    What i'm after is a small network of websites (Web 2.0 or PBN or Both!), maybe around 20 of them and build on their domain authority/ PR, preferably through an automated service of some kind.
    For example, RankWyz/ Fiverr for weekly content and Click Submit for links.
    This network would be for the purpose of helping my Farming websites grow better, do you know when you say 'I wish I could find a good PR relevant link', why not just make one?

    I'm aware that this is a silly amateur approach to it, but i'm still new to this.
    I do know it works if done correctly, i'm just sure HOW to do it correctly.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    If the costs are what stops you then why don't you register some domains for $10/each and build up PR to those instead of to some crappy web2.0 where all the link juice gets dilluted?

    Then you can even use your high PR domains to link to them as you won't lose all the link juice.

    You can find quite some PR1-PR2 domains for just the registration fee so that you already have some natural links pointed to them. Then buy some solid PR5 or PR6 domains and use these to build up the PR of those.

    I really don't get what people want to achieve with those link sucking web2.0's.

    Sure mass spam, till Google finds an efficient way to target that and then they are toast as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Tovey
      Hey Nik0,

      Much appreciated as always. Money is not an problem, i've been looking through expireddomains.net and found a PR 5 for £250 and a PR2 for £100 on the Buy now section, are these good deals or terrible ones?

      Even after buying a domain, lets say 'Mattlockexgom.org' for example and this was about.. spoons and was a PR2:
      1) How can I maintain/ improve the PR of that blog automatically over time, is there a good software/ service for this? Nothing killer, just to build some good links over time.
      2) Would the fact it's about spoons not help when I try to change it to vegetables? Or should I leave it as spoons?
      3) What am I looking for on this website: Fixed prices, auctions? Are closeouts and deleted domains worthwhile?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Paul Tovey View Post

        Hey Nik0,

        Much appreciated as always. Money is not an problem, i've been looking through expireddomains.net and found a PR 5 for £250 and a PR2 for £100 on the Buy now section, are these good deals or terrible ones?

        Even after buying a domain, lets say 'Mattlockexgom.org' for example and this was about.. spoons and was a PR2:
        1) How can I maintain/ improve the PR of that blog automatically over time, is there a good software/ service for this? Nothing killer, just to build some good links over time.
        2) Would the fact it's about spoons not help when I try to change it to vegetables? Or should I leave it as spoons?
        3) What am I looking for on this website: Fixed prices, auctions? Are closeouts and deleted domains worthwhile?
        100 pounds seems over priced for a PR2, no idea about the PR5, it's all about the links that point at it.

        1) I don't know, I never do that as I don't want to inter link any of my sites, I just buy new ones in case they get weaker and move the old one to my tier 2 network

        2) You can make whatever you want from it, keep in mind that when you repurpose sites that the link loss is higher

        3) If you spot a good deal you can go for fixed prices. Sometimes there are nice domains to find in the deleted section although not great. For the rest it's all about the auctions yes. Or you can back order domains.
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