Should I be wary of hiring an SEO link builder who uses their own private blog/link network?

11 years ago

I recommend you to check his blog network quality, sometimes peoples are using expired domains to make blog network,

Web 2.0 links are good until you spam on them.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sonny Am

My point is this, Google has been shutting down private blog and link networks quite rapidly as of late

That's where you are wrong.

Google has been shutting down public blog networks.

I don't know of a single private network that they took down though. I'm sure they have found a few, but a private network is much different than a public blog network.

If links are being sold to the masses, it's a much bigger target. If an SEO firm is running their own truly private network of sites, it will probably never show up on Google's radar.

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Sonny Am

11 years ago

Thanks for that reply Mike...I think this is partly my paranoia..."what if Google does this..." What if Google does that...".. and I don't think I am not alone with these feels at all, the pace at which google chops and changes things, creates a certain feeling of uncertianty among people that are looking for reputable seo professionals to carry out work that would be sustainable.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sonny Am

Thanks for that reply Mike...I think this is partly my paranoia..."what if Google does this..." What if Google does that...".. and I don't think I am not alone with these feels at all, the pace at which google chops and changes things, creates a certain feeling of uncertianty among people that are looking for reputable seo professionals to carry out work that would be sustainable.

SEO work is not 'sustainable.'

In fact, buying links from a PBN is hardly sustainable either. They can always screw up the job and get you penalized, or they can pull the links when you stop paying.

Quit looking for guarantees and start accepting the huge amounts of risk that come with engaging in SEO practices.

Besides, 'respectable' ecommerce sites don't engage in BlackHat SEO (which is what you're advocating.) If they do, their even more respectable competitors turn them in.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Besides, 'respectable' ecommerce sites don't engage in BlackHat SEO (which is what you're advocating.) If they do, their even more respectable competitors turn them in.

Buying links is considered Blackhat and if you think "respectable businesses" do not buy and negotiate links then you need to be a little better familiar with what really goes on in the market place. True, large corporations may not buy links but many "respectable" companies do and in ways that are undetectable.

The problem with crystal clean by Googles standards SEO (which is NOT the final word on what is clean only on what they allow) is that many small businesses cannot afford it. This board has corrupted white hat to mean manual in most cases which means nothing. Real white hat is time intensive relationship building and negotiation that few SEOs good at it will charge less than a thousand and much more per month.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sonny Am

.so therefore if I go with one of these SEO providers offering a package that utilises their own private blog/link properties..is it not just a matter of time before that Google finally catches up with them and their blog network is exposed...which means that if I do carry out a link building campaign with these providers now...there is no real assurance for me, that in 6 months google wont find their network, and therefore having the links to my site devalued.

No there is no assurance because neither you nor your client are in control and you would be outsourcing the SEO work to a third party that basically just provides a public service (as Mike indicated that is not even close to being a private network). Want protection for your clients then you should be in control of the network because only then can you make sure the sites are setup properly

The only other alternative I see to the private blog/link network strategy, is the tiered link building method being offered...as long as the links for these tiers (web 2.0 links, etc) are built manually and to a high quality, would you say these links are more sustainable than the private blog network links as Google knows about the web 2.0s all along

but why would that be any more future proof since Google already suggested a few months ago that they were working on a way to "deny the value upstream to link spammers". Most people took this as a pretty good description of tiered link building

They are both risky for a real business. Honestly how natural does a link profile look that only has links from web 2.0s? Please bare a critical point in mind. Your client is not the standard WF member that has affiliate pages or MFAs. he has areal business and holds his own inventory. The stakes are higher. You screw up his business you screw up his life and in most cases he can't just buy another domain, install wordpress and start over again.

If you do SEO for real businesses or are a real business, this may anger some providers, but skip link networks services on WF all together. Its well known that Google employes monitor the top forums of marketers. If you can sign up for a few dollars and the services is in anyway popular its easy for Google to paint a bullseye on its back and end up torching your client.

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Sonny Am

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

No there is no assurance because neither you nor your client are in control and you would be outsourcing the SEO work to a third party that basically just provides a public service (as Mike indicated that is not even close to being a private network). Want protection for your clients then you should be in control of the network because only then can you make sure the sites are setup properly

but why would that be any more future proof since Google already suggested a few months ago that they were working on a way to "deny the value upstream to link spammers". Most people took this as a pretty good description of tiered link building

They are both risky for a real business. Honestly how natural does a link profile look that only has links from web 2.0s? Please bare a critical point in mind. Your client is not the standard WF member that has affiliate pages or MFAs. he has areal business and holds his own inventory. The stakes are higher. You screw up his business you screw up his life and in most cases he can't just buy another domain, install wordpress and start over again.

If you do SEO for real businesses or are a real business, this may anger some providers, but skip link networks services on WF all together. Its well known that Google employes monitor the top forums of marketers. If you can sign up for a few dollars and the services is in anyway popular its easy for Google to paint a bullseye on its back and end up torching your client.

When I referred to the link technique above, I didnt mean just web 2.0's but I meant a tiered strategy that includes web 2.0 links among other types of high quality links, from unique ips, with varied anchor text ect...

I do completely see what you mean in regards to when working with real businesses there is a lot more at stake in terms of if something goes wrong and the site is penalised for some reason. But on the topic of my client, they have not conducted any SEO in the past, and have only ever used PPC, so any results from the SEO will be better than the zero results they are getting at the moment...

It seems that working with real businesses when more is at stake, the best and really only strategy I see being truly safe is guest posting, blogger outreach, producing high quality content which attracts natural links ect, which are SEO techniques I have barely seen discussed on this forum for some reason....

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sonny Am

But on the topic of my client, they have not conducted any SEO in the past, and have only ever used PPC, so any results from the SEO will be better than the zero results they are getting at the moment...

Well by that reasoning then you could go with any links no?

really only strategy I see being truly safe is guest posting, blogger outreach, producing high quality content which attracts natural links ect, which are SEO techniques I have barely seen discussed on this forum for some reason....

Because this is not a real SEO board. Its an internet marketers SEO forum and 95% of the board wants cheap, quick and push button easy SEO whether it works or not.

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hipeopo02

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Because this is not a real SEO board. Its an internet marketers SEO forum

What's a "real SEO board?" hahaha....

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

What's a "real SEO board?"

One where people talk about all kinds of SEO not just the kind that sells in WSOs. Go ahead and look for a thread (not just some mentioning in passing) about negotiating links with webmasters. In fact I can't thnk of one thread on this board in recent times that was all about a truly white hat technique of link building. As far as I can tell the only thing even remotely discussed is guest blogging (and Imers seldom are talking about white hat there either. its usually some site that is pretty much a network or you pay for it).

But hey when you know nothing about white hat link building then of course you think whats discussed here is all there is.

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UnkwnUsr

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

One where people talk about all kinds of SEO not just the kind that sells in WSOs. Go ahead and look for a thread (not just some mentioning in passing) about negotiating links with webmasters. In fact I can't thnk of one thread on this board in recent times that was all about a truly white hat technique of link building. As far as I can tell the only thing even remotely discussed is guest blogging (and Imers seldom are talking about white hat there either. its usually some site that is pretty much a network or you pay for it).

But hey when you know nothing about white hat link building then of course you think whats discussed here is all there is.

Most people don't think those methods are worth the extra time and effort. Also, if you're just starting out with PR 0 site it makes it difficult to negotiate links with anybody. However, if you can find other bloggers on your same level and do a little networking you'd be surprised how easily some will give you a link. Try this find a blog in your niche with same PR as you. Look for their best post, comment on it, subscribe to their list, like it on twitter and G+. At that point they will more than likely know who you are and the law of reciprocation will kick in.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr

Most people don't think those methods are worth the extra time and effort. Also, if you're just starting out with PR 0 site it makes it difficult to negotiate links with anybody. However, if you can find other bloggers on your same level and do a little networking you'd be surprised how easily some will give you a link. Try this find a blog in your niche with same PR as you. Look for their best post, comment on it, subscribe to their list, like it on twitter and G+. At that point they will more than likely know who you are and the law of reciprocation will kick in.

You can start a PR0 domain and buy a PR4 domain on the side that you use for link trades. Problem solved.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr

Most people don't think those methods are worth the extra time and effort.

Nope. You mean you don't and others like you don't. Surprise! Most people in SEO are not a part of WF, TP or BHW. Most SEOs do use those tactics but like I said this is not a SEO board where profesional SEOs discuss all the SEO tactics. Its an internet marketing board whee the majority use SEO only for affiliate marketing and MFAs

Also, if you're just starting out with PR 0 site it makes it difficult to negotiate links with anybody.

Not really. The negotiations I talked about do not involve PR necessarily. Surprise again! Many SEOs no longer worry about getting PR.

However, if you can find other bloggers on your same level and do a little networking you'd be surprised how easily some will give you a link. Try this find a blog in your niche with same PR as you. Look for their best post, comment on it, subscribe to their list, like it on twitter and G+. At that point they will more than likely know who you are and the law of reciprocation will kick in.

Why would I be surprised? It goes way beyond just bloggers.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Sonny Am

When I referred to the link technique above, I didnt mean just web 2.0's but I meant a tiered strategy that includes web 2.0 links among other types of high quality links, from unique ips, with varied anchor text ect...

Think for one second how UNNATURAL those type of links really look to an ecommerce site. Imagine all those hardy 'Web 2.0' bloggers out there just deep-linking to a store's inner pages...

I'm trying hard to imagine it...but I'm drawing a blank...

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UnkwnUsr

11 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Think for one second how UNNATURAL those type of links really look to an ecommerce site. Imagine all those hardy 'Web 2.0' bloggers out there just deep-linking to a store's inner pages...

I'm trying hard to imagine it...but I'm drawing a blank...

Yeah, I think an ecommerce store would have to be about the hardest thing to get natural links coming into. A better idea might be to skip SEO and set up and affiliate program to build traffic.

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by UnkwnUsr

Yeah, I think an ecommerce store would have to be about the hardest thing to get natural links coming into. A better idea might be to skip SEO and set up and affiliate program to build traffic.

Definitely. Affiliate, social, and paid traffic are all better bets. Plus putting existing clients on an email list and updating with offers. It's October already and the busy season is here. There's no time to delay for shopping season.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

If there was a thread about link negotiations then it would be for sale in the WSO section lol.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

If there was a thread about link negotiations then it would be for sale in the WSO section lol.

and it would not get past a single page once the readers realized it was not software based or you had to work and build relationships to get a link.
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- nik0 Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  and it would not get past a single page once the readers realized it was not software based or you had to work and build relationships to get a link.
  
  Wouldn't that be awesome though?
  
  A software where you fill in your pop3/mail details and the keywords of your choice and the tool automatically selects the proper niches and starts sending emails automatically to let's say PR4+ bloggers.
  
  It could even go one step further with an integrated network in the back end so that the email automatically offers a trade, a link for a link, auto detects whether the web master placed a link and if so a link back to the web master plus confirmation mail.
  
  Not even that impossible when you think of it.
  
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GGpaul

11 years ago

I work for an ecommerce company. I'm the "link builder" of the company too. If I were you, I'd rather just hire someone from odesk and tell them the exact task you want. For instance, have them do the grunt work, which they provide you a list of all the webmasters e-mails for whatever criteria you want from their site (PR , trust flow, etc), since this will take a crap load of time. From there, you e-mail them and build a relationship and hopefully you get a link from these high PR sites.

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