Newbie Local PPC Questions - Whats The Point of Targeting Broad Keywords?

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I'm in various local niches and for most of my life have avoided PPC.
I personally think the ROI I get with SEO I could NEVER get with PPC.

But I'm going to mention 1 site as an example because I'm in the process of setting up my first PPC campaign. I don't under WHY or IF I should target broad keywords at all.

"mylocalwebsite.com" ranks #1 for the most competitive, local keywords in its industry.

Basically keywords like "service + state". For local businesses, it doesn't get much broader than that, and we rank #1 for 5 keywords like this. They are the highest searched keywords in this 1 niche. So we get a good amount of traffic from those keywords.

On the other hand, our most QUALIFIED traffic comes from our geotargeted keywords. Although the site has lots of geotargeted pages (ie. "service + town + state") our best traffic usually comes from geotargeted youtube videos which links directly to our homepage.

I attribute this to the fact that our long tail pages on the site, aren't as well designed as our homepage. And our youtube videos, are done fairly well. They qualify traffic well, and do a great job selling.

So this is my question. I have set up a PPC campaign, and I've used all our broad keywords (that our site ranks for) as negative keywords. Because with PPC, those keywords cost between $17-$30 click... which is outrageous.

And I'm targeting about 30 long tail, geotargeted keywords. All exact match. Because the CPC is wayyy cheaper, and that traffic converts great (at least with our YT videos it does).

The PROBLEM is, I'm reading online, that you need to make a separate geotargeted landing page... for each keyword you target.... and I don't understand why. WHY can't I just send all this long tail traffic to my homepage? Its not google who is saying this needs to be done, but a lot of tutorials I've been watching from marketers.

I do have lots of long tail pages, but I don't want to set up a separate campaign for each page. I would essentially have to redesign each page so it looked a lot better, like our homepage.

So I have 2 questions -

1) Why do people target these broad, expensive keywords at all? I see a lot of my competitors going for these $30 / click keywords and it blows my mind how they manage to make a profit at all. With our website #1 for these keywords, it can take about 10-20 clicks just to set up a few leads and sell a job. So if you do the math, our competitors are probably spending about $300-$600 just to sell a job, when with SEO, it only costs us $19 on avg to sell a job.

2) Do I really need to set up separate geotargeted landing pages? What does this ultimately do? Does it reduce your CPC or something? Since these types of keywords are only like 25 cents a click.... I don't honestly give a shit about saving a few pennies. It wouldn't be worth the effort of doctoring up all my geotargeted pages.

Is there something I'm missing here?

My PPC plan like I said is to IGNORE all our broad keywords, and target ONLY long tail keywords, or variations of our broad keywords that are dirt cheap. Then send all that long tail PPC traffic to our home page which ranks organically for our broad keywords.

We already get a lot of cheap traffic from organic rankings on with google, google local and youtube. I just wanna add a few extra cheap calls with PPC.

Can some PPC experts chime in and let me know if I'm making any mistakes?
The way I see it, these keywords are cheaper, its more qualified traffic, so it makes NO SENSE to bid on broad keywords at all.

-SB
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  • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    1) Why do people target these broad, expensive keywords at all? I see a lot of my competitors going for these $30 / click keywords and it blows my mind how they manage to make a profit at all. With our website #1 for these keywords, it can take about 10-20 clicks just to set up a few leads and sell a job. So if you do the math, our competitors are probably spending about $300-$600 just to sell a job, when with SEO, it only costs us $19 on avg to sell a job.
    What a competitor is willing to pay per lead depends on their entire sales funnel - lifetime earnings per lead. If that lead is going to make them $5000 then the $300-$600 is an absolute bargain.

    Broad keywords let you test, cull, and refine faster than trying to come up with all possible phrases or exact searchers. It gets you in front of all those customers who think just a little bit different to the majority. As long as you keep refining then eventually you'll have a list of negatives that keep the tyre kicks out.

    It does make it harder to write compelling copy though as your ad may not be directly answering the searchers query.

    There are also a lot of people who simply don't understand how much they are paying and earning and just keep paying regardless.

    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    2) Do I really need to set up separate geotargeted landing pages? What does this ultimately do? Does it reduce your CPC or something? Since these types of keywords are only like 25 cents a click.... I don't honestly give a shit about saving a few pennies. It wouldn't be worth the effort of doctoring up all my geotargeted pages.

    Is there something I'm missing here?
    It's to do with the quality score - which affects cost and whether your ad gets shown or not. Your website must be relevant to the keyword being searched. If you find your ads aren't being shown because your quality score is too low then consider making dedicated landing pages. This isn't SEO so you don't have to worry about making laser targeted landing pages to match your ads.

    Your ads also should match the query so localising the ad copy helps a lot too.



    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    My PPC plan like I said is to IGNORE all our broad keywords, and target ONLY long tail keywords, or variations of our broad keywords that are dirt cheap. Then send all that long tail PPC traffic to our home page which ranks organically for our broad keywords.

    We already get a lot of cheap traffic from organic rankings on with google, google local and youtube. I just wanna add a few extra cheap calls with PPC.

    Can some PPC experts chime in and let me know if I'm making any mistakes?
    The way I see it, these keywords are cheaper, its more qualified traffic, so it makes NO SENSE to bid on broad keywords at all.

    -SB
    Unless you have a large pool of long tails to use then the traffic might be insignificant. If the traffic isn't there then I would focus on the content network and get some traffic that wasn't directly looking for what you offer. Cheap traffic that once refined is often profitable.

    Do you know what long tails are converting the most for you from organic traffic? Personally I would be bidding on those because you already know what your Cost/Conversion is and you can get some of that traffic that isn't clicking on your page, even though you are ranked first (not everyone clicks on organic results). You know what you can bid to make a profit so why not? Get some of those sales you are missing.
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  • Profile picture of the author olelar
    Hi. Some people are willing to bid on broad keywords because you can mine other related keywords that you can then buy as exact match. You get access to those keywords in your keyword report in the AdWords Website. This is how you expand your keyword list! All keyword tools do a poor job of providing you with the keywords people actually search for.

    That being said. I would recommend you use modified broad match. Add a + before your keyword (e.g. +yourkeyword). That will make Google go broad, but not as broad as regular broad match. It will be more targeted and cheaper than normal broad match. Just do a Google search to learn more about modified broad match. I use it in every campaign that I do.

    You want to use the most relevant landing page that you have. It does absolutely not have to be geo targeted, but it has to be topic targeted. Sending all your traffic to your homepage will give you a lower quality score (leads to a higher CPC) because it is most often no target enough. That is why you should have specific landing pages.

    Also, A lot of people manage their campaigns from inside the AdWords website. Just in case you do I want to share this with you. Download AdWords Editor. Google's AdWords tool. That will save you hours and hours of work!

    Hope that helps,
    Ole.
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  • Profile picture of the author ppcmanager
    Good explanations offered above.

    I would just like to add a small clarification:

    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    I have set up a PPC campaign, and I've used all our broad keywords (that our site ranks for) as negative keywords.
    Make sure you add them as exact negative match, i.e. -[your keyword]. Otherwise it will result in conflict with your positive keywords.
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