32 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}
32 {{ upvoteCount | shortNum }}

What do you think of this pricing structure for SEO Services?

by lovboa Banned
26 replies
  • SEO
    • |
If you're a business looking for SEO services,
which pricing model would you be more inclined to agree on?

-----

1. $1000/month - no contract

2. $2400 upfront for 3 months of SEO - billed quarterly for each period you wish to continue with the service.

3. $3600 upfront for 6 months of SEO - billed semi-annually for each period you wish to continue with the service.

-----

I've been working with businesses in my city who need SEO services and I've been charging about $1000-$1500 month. These are all small to mid size businesses, local, who I've met face to face before working together.

As anyone who might work in this field may have experienced, I get a lot of inquiries, but not a lot of responses after giving them a pricing quote. It seems I only get one shot, and if they feel the price is too high, they'll either just respond that it's not in their budget, or they won't respond at all.

I do dive into each client's campaign full time and make sure to deliver results so I do want to make it worth the time and effort, and am not really interested in working for under $1000/month. The problem is that a lot of small businesses contact me, but they can't (or don't want to) afford it.

I'm thinking of introducing a new pricing structure where I'll be paid more upfront but will result in a lower monthly cost for the client, and want to get some feedback on whether or not you think this may be a good option.

All feedback is welcome. Thanks.
#pricing #seo #services #structure
  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    I will assume you got those leads from a contact form.

    So, do you have a "What is your budget" field in your contact form? This will definitely solve your problem as different clients have different price ranges.

    plus $600-$1,000 per month for SEO is highly reasonable.

    75% of my SEO software users have clients that are paying them $500-800 per month for SEO.
    Signature
    Who else needs a SEO Client Dashboard for their SEO services ?
    Let your clients monitor their SEO campaigns (Rankings, Backlinks and Work Done)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627074].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
      Originally Posted by seoace View Post

      So, do you have a "What is your budget" field in your contact form? This will definitely solve your problem as different clients have different price ranges.
      I agree. Though you have already set your rates, it would still be reasonable to ask your clients about what they can afford. You will encounter different kinds of clients of various economic status and not all of them will be able to afford the services that you offer. However, for me, your rates are okay.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627286].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
    Banned
    No kidding with such prices for local businesses, most respectable SEO companies charge $250-500/month for local SEO.

    You start at $1k. PPC would be a cheaper alternative for most local businesses, most probably don't even reach the $1k/month with PPC when you look at how many people search for them per month.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627314].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      No kidding with such prices for local businesses, most respectable SEO companies charge $250-500/month for local SEO.
      NIk0 this is why most mainline SEOs can't stand IM SEOs. They give an entirely WSO skewed picture of the market. Here read the results of a survey and look at the prices.

      How Much Should You Spend on SEO Services? - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)

      I don't know of one quality SEO that charges $250 a month. That price range is whack. Don't know about in thailand but in the US small businesses pay $700+ all the time.

      Bearing in mind that small businesses don't want spam, links from 300 word article obvious networks etc good SEO cannot even be done for that price.
      Signature

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627444].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author nik0
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        NIk0 this is why most mainline SEOs can't stand IM SEOs. They give an entirely WSO skewed picture of the market. Here read the results of a survey and look at the prices.

        How Much Should You Spend on SEO Services? - Search Engine Watch (#SEW)

        I don't know of one quality SEO that charges $250 a month. That price range is whack. Don't know about in thailand but in the US small businesses pay $700+ all the time.

        Bearing in mind that small businesses don't want spam, links from 300 word article obvious networks etc good SEO cannot even be done for that price.
        Oh come on, what does it take to get some local business ranked?

        - A bit of reverse engineering to find local directories to submit to
        - Perhaps some paid web directory listings
        - And a couple of strong high PR links.

        Does that have to cost $700+/month, I don't think so.

        I know that search engine watch article, you see them pop up more lately, just some propaganda to keep on selling over priced services. You know those $700/month guys also just use their private network to rank their clients, nothing special there.

        Look at this:

        Site content audit $500-$7500, are you ******* kidding me, $500 for a site audit while most local businesses have websites of 5-10 pages that can be examined in 5-10 minutes.

        SEO copywriting $0,15-$0,50 per WORD. LMFAO, sure my content isn't the greatest but paying $250 for a 500 word article for SEO purpose. Yeah when you charge that kind of amounts it's no wonder that they have to charge $700+/month LOL

        LinkProfile Audit, $500-$7500, uhu, no offense but most sites have a dozen or so links so why does that has to start at a crazy amount of $500?

        And then it ends with this:

        Guarantees. SEO firms generally can't provide guarantees due to the constantly changing nature of the industry.

        Hahahaha, after all that analyzing and that hell expensive content they can't even guarantee some results? WOW, I guess something went terribly wrong in the over priced analyzing then.

        Sorry man, the one who wrote that article is completely out of his mind.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627471].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Oh come on, what does it take to get some local business ranked? ...............Does that have to cost $700+/month, I don't think so.
          How would you know? You are a link builder not a full service SEO. Do you even touch content of sites? By the time they come to you site content has already been dealt with.

          and no there you go right back to your WSO SEO thinking. Many of the SEOs there get white hat links by reaching out to web masters. Its time consuming. You didnt even ask what the service was provided. To you, like most IM Seos its just all the same. One size, stick some links and move on.

          Look I do network stuff as well but you are really kidding yourself that you know SEO if you think that all that goes on out there is getting links from directories and using a network. At the higher paying end you can't just use network links. You do need to mix that up with some out reach and organic link building. All competitors are not stupid. They can smell out a ranking consisting of only WP blog network links.

          Futhermore except for service related sites almost all local business owners also want to rank for non local keywords as well. Just because someone says local businesses does not mean thats the only ranking being included.

          I know that search engine watch article, you see them pop up more lately, just some propaganda to keep on selling over priced services. You know those $700/month guys also just use their private network to rank their clients, nothing special there.
          Sigh. thats all you know...it doesn't mean thats all thats done. I'll skip your conspiracy theory that surveys fake these numbers. I half expected it but the quote was to show you were blowing smoke in claiming that your market pricing range (deliberately slanted to get to your own price) is what professionals charge. Its wrong and your conspiracy theory does not rebut the facts.

          kidding me, $500 for a site audit while most local businesses have websites of 5-10 pages that can be examined in 5-10 minutes
          Dude easy on the ignorance. there are ton loads of local businesses with hundreds of pages websites. You are embarassing yourself now still going off the Im sites you get. The article is quite clear on the various charges and that most SEOs charge a monthly retainer. You are desperately trying to use the high end and mixing and matching the contract services with monthly retainers to bolster your failed point.

          $75 (the lower end included but you ignored) for a 500 word article on the customer' site that attracts viewers, creates linkbait, while hitting good LSI is not unheard of. Its not that particularly high either. Of course when you put 300 words out there in some weak article written by a person in asia who barely knows english on a network site then you would think its high but its not really. These are real companies Nik that have to put out good stuff not crap articles that will make their existing customers think they have no brains in their heads and result in them losing reputation and sales.

          Look - at the end of the day we both know what IM SEOs here do. You volumize links and content on your property and you put a lot of customers into a semi automated system that pushes out links Its all about scaling and volumizing but the facts are even with networks there are different flavors. You think crap is all there is. I've seen networks where there were three articles for every sold link. the benefit? you would not dream at all that it was a link network site where I am pretty confident I can spot yours a mile way (and have).

          Its okay you serve that cheap I will risk it market. Thats fine but stop trying to dump on all SEOs out there that might buy a $500 domain for three clients, buy an extremely natural looking link for a hundred, Start a 40 hour link bait campaign etc doing more white hat.

          Here the the combination of cheap and not knowing any other SEO makes for well accepted argument that $250 is "professional" SEO but sorry..... the amount of people crying after a Penguin update from those services convincingly argues otherwise.

          Serve your market (and claim its not your fault when they tank) but ripping others who do things differently and therefor charge differently is poor form.
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627765].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author nik0
            Banned
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            How would you know? You are a link builder not a full service SEO. Do you even touch content of sites? By the time they come to you site content has already been dealt with.

            and no there you go right back to your WSO SEO thinking. Many of the SEOs there get white hat links by reaching out to web masters. Its time consuming. You didnt even ask what the service was provided. To you, like most IM Seos its just all the same. One size, stick some links and move on.
            Come on don't you agree that it's totally over kill for small (local) businesses to spend that much per month and reach out to people while they can rank much easier and just as effective for much less money, as that was my whole point and that's OP's focus as well according to him saying that he focuses on "Small businesses".


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Look I do network stuff as well but you are really kidding yourself that you know SEO if you think that all that goes on out there is getting links from directories and using a network. At the higher paying end you can't just use network links. You do need to mix that up with some out reach and organic link building. All competitors are not stupid. They
            can smell out a ranking consisting of only WP blog network links.
            Of course not but we're talking about small businesses here not some nation wide company in a tough niche.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Futhermore except for service related sites almost all local business owners also want to rank for non local keywords as well. Just because someone says local businesses does not mean thats the only ranking being included.
            Got some point there, a lawyer wouldn't deny a client 200 miles away. However I doubt that will be achieved for $700/month.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sigh. thats all you know...it doesn't mean thats all thats done. I'll skip your conspiracy theory that surveys fake these numbers. I half expected it but the quote was to show you were blowing smoke in claiming that your market pricing range (deliberately slanted to get to your own price) is what professionals charge. Its wrong and your conspiracy theory does not rebut the facts.
            Nope my claim was based on small businesses that want to rank for local keywords. You're pulling it out of context here by stating that they want to rank for nation wide keywords. I would definitely like to see some of those $700 contacts so see if it matches up with anything that you say as you make it almost sound like a local business will rank for nation wide keywords for 700 bucks/month. I don't think so.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Dude easy on the ignorance. there are ton loads of local businesses with hundreds of pages websites. You are embarassing yourself now still going off the Im sites you get. The article is quite clear on the various charges and that most SEOs charge a monthly retainer. You are desperately trying to use the high end and mixing and matching the contract services with monthly retainers to bolster your failed point.
            There are many more local businesses with 5-10 page sites (or even less) then ones with 100's of pages so who's embarrassing himself by coming up with a few rare exceptions.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            $75 (the lower end included but you ignored) for a 500 word article on the customer' site that attracts viewers, creates linkbait, while hitting good LSI is not unheard of. Its not that particularly high either. Of course when you put 300 words out there in some weak article written by a person in asia who barely knows english on a network site then you would think its high but its not really. These are real companies Nik that have to put out good stuff not crap articles that will make their existing customers think they have no brains in their heads and result in them losing reputation and sales.
            Same like you ignore most things and always pick the most extreme ones so don't blame me of doing that once

            Link bait lol, good luck attracting natural links for some local dentists or an electrician with some great link bait content.

            I know quite a few solid writers from the US that write for $15/500 word articles.

            Besides, since when do we try to rank private network sites? As you're comparing private network link building content to web site content or content at sites where people are supposed to actually read it.

            Anyway, $15 vs $75-$250 price range is kind of a huge difference, but if it concerns a sales copy then I can understand but I would definitely like to see some more specific details of what those companies actually have to offer for $700/month.

            Lately I requested a quote somewhere, you know what he came up with? Yeah we're going to make your posts more pleasant for the readers by adding images and such. Lol WTF, that was just something on my todo list that I didn't get too. Then I asked what can you really do for me? And I got some bullshit about social media campaigns, and that for $2500/month. Well shoot me.

            You can say what you want and they can put it as beautiful in words as they like but I don't buy this over priced crap.

            Look when we're talking about some large nation wide company that needs to rank for tough competition things and huge sites then it does require a lot of analyzing work that won't be completed within an hour (let alone correct it).

            And then it might require $250 costing articles that get published at top quality sites and then you don't want to appear cheap and must hire rock solid writers to pull a success. But then you're talking about $10k+ campaigns.

            But when you relate all this to some small local business that doesn't even get any guarantees whatsoever. Then it's just filling their pockets.

            You mentioned conspiracy but they interviewed 500 SEO consultants, I bet they were pretty selective in who they actually interviewed as when they would've picked 500 random SEO consultants, we would've dealt with complete different prices. Just Google a bit around yourself I would say and you see those prices pop up more often then not.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Look - at the end of the day we both know what IM SEOs here do. You volumize links and content on your property and you put a lot of customers into a semi automated system that pushes out links Its all about scaling and volumizing but the facts are even with networks there are different flavors. You think crap is all there is. I've seen networks where there were three articles for every sold link. the benefit? you would not dream at all that it was a link network site where I am pretty confident I can spot yours a mile way (and have).
            Same like I spot yours from a mile away and have lol or same like everyone's network on this whole forum.

            You would be surprised how much better a good portion of my network is now, but still identifiable as a private blog network, I won't deny that. It's simply too expensive to make it look 100% natural.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Its okay you serve that cheap I will risk it market. Thats fine but stop trying to dump on all SEOs out there that might buy a $500 domain for three clients, buy an extremely natural looking link for a hundred, Start a 40 hour link bait campaign etc doing more white hat.

            Here the the combination of cheap and not knowing any other SEO makes for well accepted argument that $250 is "professional" SEO but sorry..... the amount of people crying after a Penguin update from those services convincingly argues otherwise.

            Serve your market (and claim its not your fault when they tank) but ripping others who do things differently and therefor charge differently is poor form.
            People know they buy links and not the full package, all I can say is correct this or that (which we started doing very recently) and then it's up to them whether they follow the suggestions. Lately I had someone who gave me a set of keywords and the homepage url, I looked around a bit to see if I could find a page more relevant for those kw's as the homepage was definitely not. I never got a response so what am I supposed to do then?

            I stick to my point, $700/month or not, in 9 out of 10 cases those analysis don't take longer then 1 hour altogether and charging $1k for that is just borderline crazy and as said cause I was definitely not impressed with what such company had to offer to me, I truly wonder what most of those rippers really do for the $700/month range clients as most what you mention seems to apply much more to $10K+/month campaigns.

            Anyway, I leave it at this as I said what I wanted to say and that's it. Don't feel for typing for hours lol.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627940].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Come on don't you agree that it's totally over kill for small (local) businesses to spend that much per month and reach out to people while they can rank much easier and just as effective for much less money, as that was my whole point
              and tanking is effective or being reported for bought links is effective? give me a break. You want to pretend networks is all there is to Seo? okay let me play your game for a few minutes -

              The guy with 200 $127/month customers is going to have a harder time providing natural looking links than the guy with 40 customers making the same cash. Just the lower quantity is going to provide a better service because a domain with a few links will pass better under the radar over one with five more times the links. undeniable - Captain obvious. Better long term service. Therefore more effective. Period. Want more benefits? okay

              The SEO with a smaller clientele making the same money is going to have less points of vunerability because he does not have every idiot client on WF sharing his links or sending them off to be disavowed. Lesser exposed network equals more effective - EVERY TIME. Want more Nik? Fine...I can keep going.

              roll baby roll. The number one way that a mass cheap service operates its to keep sticking links on their property which causes the links to roll off the pages into oblivion. Just as effective? pure crap. less clients charging more allows the pages to never roll off. Better service but more expensive. Want more nik? I can go all day.

              The Seo setup that charges companies real money gets better solid companies not fly by nights and hence the sites they link to are of better quality and as such the networks site links are more plausible as real links. Go to any of these cheap services and you will invariable find links to companies that are on a shoestring and so awful no one would link to them unless the links were paid for. The MOST POWERFUL FOOTPRINT FOR GOOGLE TO DETECT.

              Your claim that cheap is just as effective as more money is TOTAL nonsense even on a network level. The SEO charging more and lower quantity of links on resources is providing more juice due to low OBL, a safer service and a more lasting value. You keep bringing up temporary rankings over these benefits because you are stuck in WSO SEO thinking - "I got on first page wow great providers. Waah ..waah SEO is dead ....why did I tank a few months later?"

              All I am saying is you want to start a war over your service being as good or better than other SEOs that charge more and imply that what they do (without even knowing what they do) is equal and is a rip....get ready because they can point out the weakness of your service as fast as you try and point out the weakness in the value they offer..
              Signature

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628121].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                The Seo setup that charges companies real money gets better solid companies not fly by nights and hence the sites they link to are of better quality and as such the networks site links are more plausible as real links. Go to any of these cheap services and you will invariable find links to companies that are on a shoestring and so awful no one would link to them unless the links were paid for. The MOST POWERFUL FOOTPRINT FOR GOOGLE TO DETECT.
                One might argue that a truly solid company woudn't need seo in the first place. Adobe anyone? Why would a solid company need network links, and how would that be less of a footprint.. because the network links blend in so well with all the rest of the natural links out there? If they had so many natural links, they wouldn't need network links. Now if by solid company you mean a company that has more expendable revenue left over by some angel investor to throw at seo to kick start their company, then I see the possible need. Not that it makes them any more deserving than a company on a shoestring..
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628219].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                  One might argue that a truly solid company woudn't need seo in the first place.
                  Sure. I guess but That one wouldn't be making any sense.

                  Adobe anyone? Why would a solid company need network links, and how would that be less of a footprint..
                  ??? A solid company can only be on the level of Adobe? You are confusing solid with famous or large. There are plenty of solid companies that need to advertise and get links. Whole pile of business owners that are just getting on the net. Solid in no way means big. It means a company with some revenue, a business plan that can last at least a year and that has made some investments to be a business online .

                  A shoe string operaton is one who is in danger of being out of business tomorrow. They do tend to put up lousy sites and take corners on their own site's content and setup. Thats the footprint and its pretty easy to see that the "company" site is one no one would link to.
                  Signature

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628256].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                    [DELETED]
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628273].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Nope my claim was based on small businesses that want to rank for local keywords. You're pulling it out of context here by stating that they want to rank for nation wide keywords.
              Learn to read the OP. the OP said nothing about local keywords. He merely said he did SEO for local businesses. Would that include local terms why yes but that also can refer to regional terms , state terms and yeah even some national. But thats the key point. You don't know what kind of SEO , the terms or anything like the keywords targeted - you just jumped on and claimed the price was too high.

              There are many more local businesses with 5-10 page sites (or even less) then ones with 100's of pages so who's embarrassing himself by coming up with a few rare exceptions.
              You are because almost every company with ecommerce capabilities selling a range of products has more than that just from its product sales pages

              Rare exception? man go do some real local SEO and come back to me. You spend too much time on WSO buyers not real small business companies.

              I rarely find a business with 5-10 pages. about, privacy, home page, contact are four right there with no sections yet on what they offer, none on products, policies or any articles. Sionce you mentioned lawyers I just looked up lawyers in my area. Not one had 10 or less pages. If thats what you think is standard for local companies your customers suck.

              Link bait lol, good luck attracting natural links for some local dentists or an electrician with some great link bait content.
              Yep standard refrain from a grey hatter with no imagination. Because he can't think of anything that would get links no one can. :rolleyes:

              Look as for the rest of that long nonsense response to the details of the article . The link provided was to show that your claim of $250-$500 was off. it was not offered as what every SEO should charge or to defend every price there listed. The link no matter how you whine about the prices most definitely shows that your range is based on no such real consensus.
              Signature

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628207].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author nik0
                Banned
                [DELETED]
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628445].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  [DELETED]
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628469].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
                    Banned
                    [DELETED]
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628482].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author nik0
        Banned
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Bearing in mind that small businesses don't want spam, links from 300 word article obvious networks etc good SEO cannot even be done for that price.
        100% legit, 100% natural SEO is not needed for small businesses, with a decent quality website most already rank naturally at page one or two without a single link.

        I see it many times, 1 month link building and boom they show up in the top 5 and as a reward they cancel lol cause their goals are achieved
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627510].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author yukon
          Banned
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          100% legit, 100% natural SEO is not needed for small businesses, with a decent quality website most already rank naturally at page one or two without a single link.

          I see it many times, 1 month link building and boom they show up in the top 5 and as a reward they cancel lol cause their goals are achieved
          Problem is your dealing with IMers that don't have long term budgets, no business plan, etc...

          No offline small business is looking at Warrior Forum sigs. trying to buy links, they're looking to get pages ranked, they don't know links rank pages so they don't even know to search for keywords like buy backlinks, etc...

          I think your confusing your IM links with SEO for offline business.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627577].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author nik0
            Banned
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Problem is your dealing with IMers that don't have long term budgets, no business plan, etc...

            No offline small business is looking at Warrior Forum sigs. trying to buy links, they're looking to get pages ranked, they don't know links rank pages so they don't even know to search for keywords link buy backlinks, etc...

            I think your confusing your IM links with SEO for offline business.
            If that was true you wouldn't hear me.

            >50% of my revenue comes from 7-8 SEO agencies that outsource the link building part for their clients to me, and no that's not too brag, that's just a hard fact.

            Besides that I don't even accept the typical IM sites anymore and it has been like that for quite some time. That wasn't just done cause I loved to lose a large part of income. No that was done cause the majority of my clients were already small businesses, so refusing those 5-10% IM type of clients was no problem at all.

            Believe it or not but right now I have 8 lawyers as clients and you would say those aren't the dumbest folks out there right? Neither are they the easiest to rank but luckily for me (and wise from them) the keywords are quite specialized in combination with medium sized cities.

            For example a patent attorney in a top 50 city in the US
            A motoring lawyer, what the hell that might be, nation wide in a different country then the US
            Personal Injury lawyer in a medium sized city in the US
            Injury attorney in a sub part of one of the largest cities in the US

            That kind of things, so not just some hobby electrician. It varies very wildly and it are often people that are totally shocked by the prices that the regular SEO companies charge so they go searching for other stuff and are a little knowledgable on the subject that they need a service that doesn't provide spun crap and submissions to 100's or 1000's of sites and those end up with me as my service might not be perfect but it's a hell of a lot better then all the other stuff that's being sold on online forums.

            It's pretty easy for me actually cause there is a huge gap between 100% legit SEO and spam blasts and I seem to be somewhat in the middle to fill that gap, same like all the SEO companies that charge around $250-500/month like mentioned before (the ones that outsource it mostly to someone like me or who own their own private network).

            Perhaps those small businesses have a hobby called IM on the side
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627675].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Believe it or not but right now I have 8 lawyers as clients and you would say those aren't the dumbest folks out there right?
              Intelligence has nothing to do with it. I see plenty of legal sites with some awful, awful SEO. They get suckered into awful services just as often as anyone else.

              SEO is not an attorney's specialty, nor should it be.
              Signature
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627690].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author nik0
                Banned
                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                Intelligence has nothing to do with it. I see plenty of legal sites with some awful, awful SEO. They get suckered into awful services just as often as anyone else.

                SEO is not an attorney's specialty, nor should it be.
                I said that cause Yukon said:

                "No offline small business is looking at Warrior Forum sigs. trying to buy links"

                I interpretate that like "small business owners must be stupid to buy links at an IM forum".

                Hence my comment.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627709].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  I interpretate that like "small business owners must be stupid to buy links at an IM forum".

                  They are stupid to buy links at an IM forum, but oh well. Plenty of them do it anyhow.
                  Signature
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627809].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
                    Banned
                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                    They are stupid to buy links at an IM forum, but oh well. Plenty of them do it anyhow.
                    Still here you are promoting your SEO services at an IM forum
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627965].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      Still here you are promoting your SEO services at an IM forum
                      I'm not here to promote my service. I'm just here a lot, so why not toss a link to what I do...

                      However, I offer an SEO service. I'm not a backlinker. There's a big difference.
                      Signature
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628023].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
                        Banned
                        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                        I'm not here to promote my service. I'm just here a lot, so why not toss a link to what I do...

                        However, I offer an SEO service. I'm not a backlinker. There's a big difference.
                        I'm an SEO as well.

                        I do back link analysis before I take a client
                        I do site audits
                        I help with keyword research

                        All added recently and standard included in my service, however I don't fix website things, I just provide easy to follow instructions how to fix it.

                        Then we adjust the link building based on their current anchor profile and PR break down of back links.

                        And all that for $129/month, not that bad of a deal I suppose.

                        Nice excuse, I'm just here so why not put a link to my service LOL, same applies to me, I'm just here cause I love SEO so why not put a link to my service
                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628063].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                          [DELETED]
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628352].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                            [DELETED]
                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628386].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
                              Banned
                              [DELETED]
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628475].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                                [DELETED]
                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628606].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author yukon
              Banned
              [DELETED]
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628324].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author nik0
                Banned
                [DELETED]
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628451].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author yukon
                  Banned
                  [DELETED]
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628736].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          100% legit, 100% natural SEO is not needed for small businesses, with a decent quality website most already rank naturally at page one or two without a single link.
          What a load of crap. You must serve some weak cities.

          "and now a word from our sponsors"

          I see it many times, 1 month link building and boom they show up in the top 5 and as a reward they cancel lol cause their goals are achieved
          or because of a Penguin update?
          Signature

          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627771].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author nik0
            Banned
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            What a load of crap. You must serve some weak cities.

            "and now a word from our sponsors"

            or because of a Penguin update?
            Someone buys your "made for you" network and 3 months later he tanks due to previous build spammy links.

            Obvious you're not the one to blame right still you like to blame me.

            Kind of measuring with 2 sizes isn't it?
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627957].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    nik0 has a point. I think that your rates are fine only with particular kinds of projects. Have you ever tried offering per-service rates? That could be a bit troubling for you but if I were a client, I would prefer that more. You just have to sort things out depending on the kind of service that you will be offering.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627391].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    Just an example, $1,000 a month would be a bargain If that small business was a car lot, even If online only averaged 1 sale a week.

    OP, look for business that have massive markup ($$) on whatever they're selling.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8627489].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Working here at my job, I realized that SEO isn't just link building. When you know all of SEO it's like....the universe for online marketing. You understand the whole concept of everything else. Shit gets too technical at times, my brain gets fried . All these codings involved, and letting Google know what to crawl what not crawl, geo targeting, canonicalization, duplicate content issues, just a bunch of stuff.

    I thought I knew a good amount of SEO when I got hired, but after 6 months of being here, I realized I know NOTHING. But this is good for me at least. I get to learn more and more about internet marketing as a whole especially in SEO.

    I def would charge at a higher rate especially with all the issues that I've learned here at my job.
    Signature

    RIP Dad Oct 14 1954 - Mar 14 2015.

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628279].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author lovboa
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628649].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      [DELETED]
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628659].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
    OP if you wanted to be more inclusive to clients with limited budgets you could offer lower levels of commitment and upsell as they see results. Think "a la carte" you wouldn't necessarily have to advertise it but you could use it as a way to snag good quality clients that might be worried about a large initial investment with a service they have no history with. Just a thought.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8628656].message }}

Trending Topics