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I just wanted to let everyone know that using images from Google Images (even if edited) can get your site banned from the search results.

I had a site that got about 2 million hits and made $18,000 from Adsense in about 6-7 months. The site was then dropped from Google for using a few copyrighted images. Don't let this happen to you.

Make sure that you are using your own original photos or that you are using images that are open source. I went from this:



to this $0 overnight! Be Careful! My Adsense account didn't get suspended, but the site did.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Isn't it allowed to hot link images (as in not hosting them on your site but just using the <img src=""> thing?
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      I'm not sure... perhaps if you are linking to the site from which the image came, it might be alright, but I'm not doing it.

      The reason that I did it the way that I did was because my keyword phrase was in my domain name (it was a free site made with Google Sites). I figured the best way to rank #1 in Google would be to use a sub-domain of Google and put their ads on it. I was right.
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      • Profile picture of the author goindeep
        Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

        I'm not sure... perhaps if you are linking to the site from which the image came, it might be alright, but I'm not doing it.

        The reason that I did it the way that I did was because my keyword phrase was in my domain name (it was a free site made with Google Sites). I figured the best way to rank #1 in Google would be to use a sub-domain of Google and put their ads on it. I was right.
        hAHA THAT IS GOLD!

        People that say that Google does not favour sites with adsense or favor those who use adwords in the rankings are delusional. Google is out to make money for themselves not their competitors, otherwise Bing and Yahoo would just buy up all the sites ranking on google and switch them to bing ads... lol
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      • Profile picture of the author ZephyrIon
        Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

        I'm not sure... perhaps if you are linking to the site from which the image came, it might be alright, but I'm not doing it.

        The reason that I did it the way that I did was because my keyword phrase was in my domain name (it was a free site made with Google Sites). I figured the best way to rank #1 in Google would be to use a sub-domain of Google and put their ads on it. I was right.
        Better go signup for another contextual ad.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Isn't it allowed to hot link images (as in not hosting them on your site but just using the <img src=""> thing?
      Then you would be stealing images + stealing bandwidth.

      With Adsense it's just not a smart move to try & think of ways around their policies.
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      • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Then you would be stealing images + stealing bandwidth.
        I hadn't considered the bandwidth as even being a factor. I suppose that you are correct...
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Then you would be stealing images + stealing bandwidth.

        With Adsense it's just not a smart move to try & think of ways around their policies.
        Where else is someone supposed to get images. Ever tried to find relevant royal free images, sometimes there's just nothing available that matches.

        Screw that.

        I just use <img src=, they can't say I steal it when I don't host it.
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        • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Where else is someone supposed to get images. Ever tried to find relevant royal free images, sometimes there's just nothing available that matches.

          Screw that.

          I just use <img src=, they can't say I steal it when I don't host it.
          Judging by the number of posts that you have, I would assume that you are an Adsense guy?? What you're saying makes since, but when Google says "no", they act immediately and they don't offer much of an explanation.

          Can you then link the image to a page of your site as opposed to the domain of the site contained in the <img src="" /> tag?
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          • Profile picture of the author AdamJ85
            Not entirely sure how this works, but can't you remove the offending images and resubmit your site / appeal to Google to be reinstated into the search results?

            With that kind of Adsense income, surely it would be worth paying the royalties for images?
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            • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
              Originally Posted by AdamJ85 View Post

              Not entirely sure how this works, but can't you remove the offending images and resubmit your site / appeal to Google to be reinstated into the search results?
              I guess that is an option, but I'm not talking about a 50 page site. This site had about 20,000 pages with an image on all of them. It could take months.
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              • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
                I'm wondering if the site was sabotaged by the competition in my niche. Free websites that are made using Google Sites have a link at the bottom that says "Report this site" so I'm assuming that their decision to remove the site from the SERP's may have come from competitors clicking on the link and being an automatic determination (or termination).

                I don't know that for sure, but the messages that I got from Google were obviously automated and that is a possibility. There were a few sites that I completely dominated in the results nearly knocking them off of the first page completely.

                On some pages for phrases like "Free Ford Wiring Schematics", I took 6 of the top ten spots. Probably ticked off some of the other webmasters....:rolleyes:
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

                  I'm wondering if the site was sabotaged by the competition in my niche. Free websites that are made using Google Sites have a link at the bottom that says "Report this site" so I'm assuming that their decision to remove the site from the SERP's may have come from competitors clicking on the link.

                  I don't know that for sure, but the messages that I got from Google were obviously automated and that is a possibility. There were a few sites that I completely dominated in the results nearly knocking them off of the first page completely.

                  On some pages for phrases like "Free Ford Wiring Schematics", I took 6 of the top ten spots. Probably ticked off some of the other webmasters....:rolleyes:
                  Doesn't really matter If competition reported you or not. You would have been found out eventually (manual review, image owner), even If it was years from now.

                  Not a good idea to break Adsense policies on purpose & then try to build a long term site.
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                  • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    Not a good idea to break Adsense policies on purpose & then try to build a long term site.
                    I didn't intentionally violate the Adsense TOS, I just learned the hard way...

                    I'm really hoping that this thread keeps the same thing from happening to someone else. I was just under the assumption that if I edited the images then they were different than the original and that they were free game... Apparently that isn't the case.

                    I wish that I'd known.
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                    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                      Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

                      I didn't intentionally violate the Adsense TOS, I just learned the hard way...

                      I'm really hoping that this thread keeps the same thing from happening to someone else. I was just under the assumption that if I edited the images then they were different than the original and that they were free game... Apparently that isn't the case.

                      I wish that I'd known.
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                      If you don't own something & can't prove you have a right to use it from a reputable source (public domain, etc...), assume it violates Adsense policies.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

            Judging by the number of posts that you have, I would assume that you are an Adsense guy?? What you're saying makes since, but when Google says "no", they act immediately and they don't offer much of an explanation.

            Can you then link the image to a page of your site as opposed to the domain of the site contained in the <img src="" /> tag?
            I don't link the image at all. Just strip out the <a href=""></a> part and call it a day.

            And no I'm not an Adsense guy, I'm an SEO provider that writes and publishes 10.000's posts per month on a somewhat low budget so paid images are totally out of the question.

            Besides that I'm an Amazon guy and there I do link the images to other pages or to Amazon it self and of course I grab all the images from Amazon same like everyone does.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Where else is someone supposed to get images. Ever tried to find relevant royal free images, sometimes there's just nothing available that matches.

          Screw that.

          I just use <img src=, they can't say I steal it when I don't host it.
          You have to be kidding, is this your first day on the internet?

          This is an Adsense thread, it's not something like Amazon product images.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            You have to be kidding, is this your first day on the internet?
            Not sure how picky you are when selecting an image but I ran quite a few times into situations where I couldn't find anything that I liked.

            No idea why I was searching for images btw, quite some time ago and I went through all the large stock sites.

            No not my 1st day here but maybe there are better sources? Who shall say I always just stole images

            Anyway, when I read a story like OP's it does make me think twice as I was about to launch some fairly large Adsense site soon and planned to use a shitload of images.
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        • Profile picture of the author RandySwanston
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Where else is someone supposed to get images. Ever tried to find relevant royal free images, sometimes there's just nothing available that matches.

          Screw that.

          I just use <img src=, they can't say I steal it when I don't host it.
          Yeah, even I do the same, but I always mention the source with a link.
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        • Profile picture of the author PeteyPub
          technically you are stealing other person's bandwidth. I've linked to a cartoon from a newspaper in one of my articles, just used "src img" tag and pulled the image of Daily Harald. My site got blocked by my hosting company until I removed the image from the post for copyright infringement. Not as bad as being banned by google, but since I was using one hosting account for many sites, all the sites under that user name got blocked until I removed the culprit. It took a couple of days before I realized the sites didn't work, so I'm sure I've lost a buck or two in the process...

          Lesson learned - check your sites often, make sure they are accessible by others at least every 3 days or so if you are using other people's work...

          "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    That's just something that one WF thread has been talking about. As far as I can remember, he was asking about where he can get images for his website. He asked whether he can get them from Google images and just Photoshop them. We told him not to and that he should just create his own images. Indeed, doing that is really risky and this is a proof.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    It is still and will always be best if you just create the images that you will be using and posting on your website. If you do not have the resources and you also do not think that you have the skills, you can just ask a graphic designer to do it for you. Well, at least, that is way better than losing a huge amount.
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      The worst part was that I'd just quit my job so that I could devote all of my time to improving the site and start building another one... then POOF!
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      • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
        Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

        The worst part was that I'd just quit my job so that I could devote all of my time to improving the site and start building another one... then POOF!
        That really sucks. Maybe, next time, if you are not sure about making a move, you should Google it first, you should ask other warriors or you shouldn't just do it at all. $18,000 is still quite an amount. How long have you been in the business and what are your plans now?
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        • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
          Originally Posted by Cobaki View Post

          How long have you been in the business and what are your plans now?
          I've been an Adsense Publisher since 2007, but I bought my first e-book on internet marketing back in 2002.

          My plans now... I've switched my niche and am working on several new forums. I'm really hoping to get back to where I was with Adsense(or better). I'm also working on an e-book of my own which I will be submitting to ClickBank in the next couple of months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Donald Draper
    out of curiosity, what would have happened if, for example, you had taken the images from bing, or some other search?

    would you still have been busted?
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      Originally Posted by Donald Draper View Post

      out of curiosity, what would have happened if, for example, you had taken the images from bing, or some other search?

      would you still have been busted?
      I'm unsure, but I'm assuming that because that is still a violation of the Adsense TOS that it would not be a good idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author tofrar
    It´s not so expensive to buy image or graphic online today.
    I buy most of my photo on 1 usd each, add my watermark and then add on my website
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      That would have been very expensive in my case. I had an image for every make and model of vehicle made from 1950 up.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by tofrar View Post

      It´s not so expensive to buy image or graphic online today.
      I buy most of my photo on 1 usd each, add my watermark and then add on my website
      That ain't too much, where you buy them?
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      • Profile picture of the author tofrar
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        • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
          Thanks for the links tofrar. I guess that I could just use images for the different makes of vehicles, but a picture of an F250 on my ford escort page might detour a lot of visitors.

          Like I said, I'm taking up another niche anyway. Truth be told, there wasn't one wiring schematic on the site... I never finished it and honestly I had no intention of doing so. Google will penalize you for that also, but that's not what happened here.

          There's a part in the Adsense TOS that says that they'll drop you for having too many "Under Construction" pages... and I had plenty of them also.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

            Thanks for the links tofrar. I guess that I could just use images for the different makes of vehicles, but a picture of an F250 on my ford escort page might detour a lot of visitors.

            Like I said, I'm taking up another niche anyway. Truth be told, there wasn't one wiring schematic on the site... I never finished it and honestly I had no intention of doing so. Google will penalize you for that also, but that's not what happened here.

            There's a part in the Adsense TOS that says that they'll drop you for having too many "Under Construction" pages... and I had plenty of them also.
            Yeah no Ford Escort there.

            That's always my thing, when you need to buy an image it isn't there, good example lol.

            But hey, you can always go to the Ford dealer right or source parking lots, great day to spend your sunday isn't it

            Maybe wait a few hours till someone moves so you can get a good shot
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      Originally Posted by tofrar View Post

      I buy most of my photo on 1 usd each, add my watermark and then add on my website
      I got many images from Ebay and edited them. If the site that I'm buying my images from edit's images that they find online I could still face the same consequences... I don't know that I could trust them...:confused: I can't think of a good way around this.

      I don't have the time or the resources to take 20,000 pictures of different cars.
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      • Profile picture of the author tofrar
        Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

        I got many images from Ebay and edited them. If the site that I'm buying my images from edit's images that they find online I could still face the same consequences... I don't know that I could trust them...:confused: I can't think of a good way around this.

        I don't have the time or the resources to take 20,000 pictures of different cars.
        20.000 cars photo.. That is of course impossible
        I did not see that coming
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  • Profile picture of the author Dayes
    Of course it can get you banned... what you were doing was blatant plagiarism.

    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    Where else is someone supposed to get images. Ever tried to find relevant royal free images, sometimes there's just nothing available that matches.

    Screw that.

    I just use <img src=, they can't say I steal it when I don't host it.
    And you sell SEO services? God help your clients...
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Dayes View Post

      Of course it can get you banned... what you were doing was blatant plagiarism.
      As long as it's not hosted at the site it's not plagiarism and if it is then so be it, I never received any warning or request to remove an image in years and i never got a single site deindexed in Google or some DMCA complain or whatever you like to call it so what are we even talking about here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dayes
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        As long as it's not hosted at the site it's not plagiarism and if it is then so be it, I never received any warning or request to remove an image in years and i never got a single site deindexed in Google or some DMCA complain or whatever you like to call it so what are we even talking about here.
        Are you serious? Of course it's still plagiarism...

        You only get away with it because the chances of the image owner actually finding your site and bothering to report it is extremely slim.

        There's some real crooks on this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author UMS
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        As long as it's not hosted at the site it's not plagiarism and if it is then so be it, I never received any warning or request to remove an image in years and i never got a single site deindexed in Google or some DMCA complain or whatever you like to call it so what are we even talking about here.
        We are talking about living dangerously. Just because you haven't been caught out doesn't mean it won't happen one day.

        Don't you think a better business strategy would be to minimize any risk to your business suffering?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by UMS View Post

          We are talking about living dangerously. Just because you haven't been caught out doesn't mean it won't happen one day.

          Don't you think a better business strategy would be to minimize any risk to your business suffering?
          Living dangerously, wake up dude, the whole internet is based on borrowed images. That's why people get away with it 999 out of 1000 times cause the image that is hot linked wasn't even owned by the person who hosted it at their site.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        As long as it's not hosted at the site it's not plagiarism and if it is then so be it, I never received any warning or request to remove an image in years and i never got a single site deindexed in Google or some DMCA complain or whatever you like to call it so what are we even talking about here.
        You obviously have no idea how Adssense works.

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        It doesn't matter If your hosting the content (ex: images), If it's displayed on your web page & you have no rights to the content your violating Adsense policies.

        You get a double whammy for taking the image + stealing bandwidth at the same time.

        Seriously, some people on the net get all mental about other people stealing content, they don't play games.

        If it was my image you was hotlinking I would swap out the hotlinked image with some big momma wearing nothing except pasties. Maybe a thong If your lucky.

        If your site was in the same/similar niche as my site I would swap out the hotlinked images with free advertising promoting my site/URL. :p
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          You obviously have no idea how Adssense works.
          Why would I, I don't even use Adsense.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I don't link the image at all. Just strip out the <a href=""></a> part and call it a day.

            And no I'm not an Adsense guy, I'm an SEO provider that writes and publishes 10.000's posts per month on a somewhat low budget so paid images are totally out of the question.

            Besides that I'm an Amazon guy and there I do link the images to other pages or to Amazon it self and of course I grab all the images from Amazon same like everyone does.
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Not sure how picky you are when selecting an image but I ran quite a few times into situations where I couldn't find anything that I liked.

            No idea why I was searching for images btw, quite some time ago and I went through all the large stock sites.

            No not my 1st day here but maybe there are better sources? Who shall say I always just stole images

            Anyway, when I read a story like OP's it does make me think twice as I was about to launch some fairly large Adsense site soon and planned to use a shitload of images.
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Why would I, I don't even use Adsense.
            Your all over the place.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Your all over the place.
              I'm not an Adsense guy right now and although I was about to start up some Adsense site this thread gives me the shiffers with OP loosing a $3k/month site due to some totally innocent borrowed images.

              Winning is about being able to take small losses some times (in this case 10 articles and kw research for 300 pages).
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                I'm not an Adsense guy right now and although I was about to start up some Adsense site this thread gives me the shiffers with OP loosing a $3k/month site due to some totally innocent borrowed images.

                Winning is about being able to take small losses some times (in this case 10 articles and kw research for 300 pages).
                If you think taking other peoples images is ok, you'll never make it with an Adsense site. If you'll ignore Adsense policies about content you'll most likely ignore everything else that can ban an Adsense account (links, traffic sources, etc...).

                Don't waste your time.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  If you think taking other peoples images is ok, you'll never make it with an Adsense site. If you'll ignore Adsense policies about content you'll most likely ignore everything else that can ban an Adsense account (links, traffic sources, etc...).

                  Don't waste your time.
                  I'm pretty aware of most Adsense rules.
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                • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  If you think taking other peoples images is ok, you'll never make it with an Adsense site. If you'll ignore Adsense policies about content you'll most likely ignore everything else that can ban an Adsense account (links, traffic sources, etc...).

                  Don't waste your time.
                  Can be a bit harsh but true. What yukon is saying is something that a lot of Internet marketers out there are doing. Yes, taking other people's images gives us the convenience that we need to develop our posts and our websites. However, once you get caught (especially if you are not careful), you will really find it very troubling.
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              • Profile picture of the author Fraggler
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                OP loosing a $3k/month site due to some totally innocent borrowed images.
                He didn't borrow other people's images. He used content created by other people for his own benefit. Hot linking doesn't change the intent.

                As you said previously, it's hard to find free images to use to fill out your web site and that's because the people who create those images do it for a living; they want to be compensated for their time and talent. If you can't find an image you need then either pay for a license to use someone else's OR go and take the photo yourself.

                Ignorance doesn't absolve responsibility.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Fraggler View Post

                  He didn't borrow other people's images. He used content created by other people for his own benefit. Hot linking doesn't change the intent.

                  As you said previously, it's hard to find free images to use to fill out your web site and that's because the people who create those images do it for a living; they want to be compensated for their time and talent. If you can't find an image you need then either pay for a license to use someone else's OR go and take the photo yourself.

                  Ignorance doesn't absolve responsibility.
                  We should start a poll, how many people on IM forums take images and how many hobby people take images.

                  I am pretty damn sure we come down to >98%, which makes it totally acceptable

                  Obvious people should not be so stupid to rip images from those stock sites, that's asking for problems. Luckily they mostly watermark them so easy to detect.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    We should start a poll, how many people on IM forums take images and how many hobby people take images.

                    I am pretty damn sure we come down to >98%, which makes it totally acceptable
                    Whether or not a lot of people are doing it, does not make it acceptable.

                    When Google decides to ban one of your sites, are you going to take that stupid poll to Google and try to convince them what you were doing was okay because 98% of people at Warrior Forum said it was?

                    I hope the OP's story serves as a warning to others, so that they don't make the same mistake. I also hope they ignore everything you stated in this thread.

                    If you are going to take other people's images, whether you self-host, hotlink, or do anything else without their expressed written permission, you are taking a risk.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      Whether or not a lot of people are doing it, does not make it acceptable.
                      I agree. It is just that a lot of people are able to get away with it. However, this does not give anyone that guarantee that they will be able to get away with the same act, as well. Just look at what happened to InterNauert. Who would want to experience having the same amount of loss, right? Just saying.
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                  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    We should start a poll, how many people on IM forums take images and how many hobby people take images.

                    I am pretty damn sure we come down to >98%, which makes it totally acceptable

                    Obvious people should not be so stupid to rip images from those stock sites, that's asking for problems. Luckily they mostly watermark them so easy to detect.
                    What's obvious is you don't have a clue wth your talking about.
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        • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Seriously, some people on the net get all mental about other people stealing content, they don't play games.
          No doubt. Some guy emailed me once, flipping out about some image I was using on my site. It was an image I had like 2 yrs ago that wasn't there anymore. He said he saw it from a backlink report or something. I said I didn't know what he was talking about. I mean, really?? W/ever :rolleyes:

          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          If it was my image you was hotlinking I would swap out the hotlinked image with some big momma wearing nothing except pasties. Maybe a thong If your lucky.

          If your site was in the same/similar niche as my site I would swap out the hotlinked images with free advertising promoting my site/URL. :p
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    • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
      Originally Posted by Dayes View Post

      Of course it can get you banned... what you were doing was blatant plagiarism.
      Actually it's copyright infringement, that's if the image you are using is in fact created and/or owned by the website owner and not just some stock image they are using (unless they bought exclusive rights to the stock image, but I digress). At any rate, there is an option in Google Images under Advanced Options that you can filter and use only "Free to use, even commercially", etc. And yes you can hotlink images. I'd feel safer hotlinking a copyrighted image than I would downloading and self-hosting it anyways. Does google themselves not hotlink without the owner's explicit permission?
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      • Profile picture of the author Cobb
        Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

        Does google themselves not hotlink without the owner's explicit permission?
        Good point, so could somebody explain how Google Images are not prosecuted for plagiarizing millions of other websites by showing their images too? Seems like a double standard. For example the images from my website are shown on google images but I have not given them permission to use them.
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        • Profile picture of the author tofrar
          Originally Posted by Cobb View Post

          Good point, so could somebody explain how Google Images are not prosecuted for plagiarizing millions of other websites by showing their images too? Seems like a double standard. For example the images from my website are shown on google images but I have not given them permission to use them.
          Most webmaster add there link to google or submit sitemap.

          If you don´t like google then just remove your website from them og block them from indexing.
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          • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
            Originally Posted by tofrar View Post

            Most webmaster add there link to google or submit sitemap.

            If you don´t like google then just remove your website from them og block them from indexing.
            Wasn't really the point, anyways google will index and display images whether you added your link or sitemap to them or not.
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            • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
              Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

              Wasn't really the point, anyways google will index and display images whether you added your link or sitemap to them or not.
              That's what I'm saying. I feel like I was penalized for doing something that they do every single day. I wonder how many images Google has on their site that they don't own the rights to.

              Maybe I should watermark my images and sue them?
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  • Profile picture of the author adystanley
    Google is killing all the websites. They just need a very little reason to do this, and most of times they do without any reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dayes
      Originally Posted by adystanley View Post

      Google is killing all the websites.
      Oh no, not the websites!
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I buy images from DepositPhotos.com. I pay $99 per month for a subscription and get 10 images a day. It's a great deal.

    I only use images I've purchased or have the okay from a vendor.

    FYI: I hired a service to build a niche site some time ago. They screwed up and used a non-licensed image. Because I own the site Getty Images came after me. I had to pay Getty Images $850 FOR ONE UNLICENSED IMAGE. I recouped the cost from the service, but it wasn't cool at all.

    So, if you're scooping images, not only can you lose an Adsense account, Getty or whoever owns copyright can ask for hefty damages. If you scoop images with copyright regularly, imagine paying $850 X hundreds of images. That could sink a lot of people. Yes, you can fight them in court, but do you really want to do that ... will cost even more and you could lose.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by jgant View Post

      I buy images from DepositPhotos.com. I pay $99 per month for a subscription and get 10 images a day. It's a great deal.

      I only use images I've purchased or have the okay from a vendor.

      FYI: I hired a service to build a niche site some time ago. They screwed up and used a non-licensed image. Because I own the site Getty Images came after me. I had to pay Getty Images $850 FOR ONE UNLICENSED IMAGE. I recouped the cost from the service, but it wasn't cool at all.

      So, if you're scooping images, not only can you lose an Adsense account, Getty or whoever owns copyright can ask for hefty damages. If you scoop images with copyright regularly, imagine paying $850 X hundreds of images. That could sink a lot of people. Yes, you can fight them in court, but do you really want to do that ... will cost even more and you could lose.
      That's quite costly indeed but it's not that incredible hard to avoid images from the stock sites, mostly they are easily recognizable by the brand name or they are water marked in some way.

      $99/month for 10 images a day is not a bad deal. I will give it a closer look.
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      • Profile picture of the author jgant
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        That's quite costly indeed but it's not that incredible hard to avoid images from the stock sites, mostly they are easily recognizable by the brand name or they are water marked in some way.

        $99/month for 10 images a day is not a bad deal. I will give it a closer look.
        The website service downloaded the image from a free image provider. You never know what's copyrighted or not when going for free. The service had no idea. I know it was a one-off mistake because they had hundreds of other images across sites they built for me.

        At least with a reputable stock image provider, if they breached copyright you have recourse.

        Getty sent me a huge packet with printouts of the web page and image. I have a hunch they have software that scans the internet looking for copyrighted images. It appeared as if the entire demand letter/package from Getty was auto-generated.

        Getty isn't all heartless, they offered some free credits if I paid before the deadline.
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  • Profile picture of the author FranksToys
    Ouch! SO your website is suspended? YOu mean deindexed?
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      Originally Posted by FranksToys View Post

      Ouch! SO your website is suspended? YOu mean deindexed?
      Yes it was deindexed. I still own the site, but it is deindexed. I tried to edit it and appeal their decision, but to no avail...

      Google is actually doing away with Adsense ads on their Google Sites which doesn't make any sense to me. You can put Adsense on every other free website builder, but not Google's...

      What is up with that?
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      • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
        Originally Posted by InterNauert View Post

        I tried to edit it and appeal their decision, but to no avail...
        Even if I did, I think that I'd have to rebuild all of my backlinks to get back to where it was in the SERP's. I linked to the site in over 100 forums.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    Well, as for me, I have never really consider getting Google images for my website or for other purposes. But when I do, I make sure that I use proper citation. And most of the time, I just create my own images just to be safe. You can never really risk getting caught by those long and agonizing ToS.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Because of the copyright issue...

    You can outsource image designer to make new images or search photo marketplaces to buy.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    Did you lose ALL of your traffic? Did you rely 100% on Google? I can't understand how you can go to $0.

    You should have been diversifying and getting traffic from Facebook and other social sources, and also diversifying away from AdSense.

    Lesson learnt I guess.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    Taking images may be something that a lot of people from here are doing right now. Still, I would never want to do something like that, especially if I am not sure about how to give the credits to their owners. I would still and will always choose to create my own images for my websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    Thanks for the warning. And, I know some people are going to get offended over what you've said and try to justify how they're using copyright images. But, I'm going to take the warning and learn from your lesson. And, i really appreciate that you would take time to be so candid about this mistake. Hopefully, this won't happen to anyone else.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    Well, this can happen just to any other Internet marketer out there, especially to those ones who do not take the time to read the ToS and to those who do not care about giving credits. I really appreciate what InterNauert did right here. He took the time to share his experience for us to learn from it no matter how bad the mistake he did was.
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    • Profile picture of the author InterNauert
      Originally Posted by Cobaki View Post

      I really appreciate what InterNauert did right here. He took the time to share his experience for us to learn from it no matter how bad the mistake he did was.
      Thanks. I really hope that my experience keeps someone else from suffering in the SERP's. I know how much work went into that site. I'm guessing about 300 hours...
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  • Profile picture of the author Cobaki
    It really is going to be a matter of knowing how to cite your sources. That is what I do sometimes, too. However, there really are times when you encounter images that are not really for public use. And you know what they say, it is better to be safe than sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    One thing I'd like to point out is that there is such a thing as fair use in copyright law, which means that there is a certain degree of acceptable use when hotlinking or throwing someone's images on your site. Say you wrote a killer album, and you download and print off someones picture to use as your album cover. That you can't do. You are using their image for monetary gain. But if you decide to hotlink someones picture of their pet schnauser as a pic you want on your super cool dog blog, well there's some leeway there.

    It depends on the degree, really. How many celebrity blogs have the same images all over the place? Now if the photographer of the image tells you to take it down, take it down. But the likelihood of a lawsuit is slim and none, and them winning anything is even slimmer because of fair use law. Google is basically just protecting their ass with Adwords, yet they can show images in image search because they aren't gaining any money from them (well, not directly anyways). But Google couldn't charge 10c a click on those images because that would be obviously using peoples images for monetary gain.

    Again, I repeat, there's a little button called 'Advanced Search' which also has the option "Free to use or share, even commercially". Use it. Or buy some stock pics for a buck.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

      One thing I'd like to point out is that there is such a thing as fair use in copyright law, which means that there is a certain degree of acceptable use when hotlinking or throwing someone's images on your site.
      Even If that's true it doesn't matter.

      It only takes one pissed off image/content owner to report a copyright violation to Adsense.

      This is an Adsense thread, Adsense policies trump everything, If a person wants to keep an Adsense account.

      There's no way Google will take heat for any Adsense affiliate stealing content, they'll ban the account & send the affiliate packing which is the smart thing to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    One thing I do is source images from manufacturers - they will often provide their photos they take for publicity and press releases if you're writing about their products.

    Some of them give me 'press access' to restricted areas of their site which are set up for this purpose.
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    Yes, Adsense is different because you have to play by Google's rules. Don't we all
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  • Profile picture of the author Legit SEO
    Lol, so we all need to buy DSLRs and go take our own pics for adsense sites now?
    Because if you're buying stock along with all the other "do gooders" thats a lot of duplicate pics floating around.
    Every site I've had, 99% of affiliate sites I've seen, and a site making $5K+ per day with adsense are All using images pulled straight from google images.

    I had one company request I take a pic down during the last 5 years which I did. However if somebody tried to weasel $850 out of me for using a pic I'd tell them to get bent.

    OP your mistake was using a google site, you had no control, and just like YT someone can flag you and all your work can be wiped out overnight. Stick with your own domain & hosting.
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    • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
      Technically if someone complains that you have stolen content or stolen images on your site and can prove that it's the case all they'd have to do is contact your hosting company and they'd shut your site down I think...

      Originally Posted by Legit SEO View Post

      Lol, so we all need to buy DSLRs and go take our own pics for adsense sites now?
      Because if you're buying stock along with all the other "do gooders" thats a lot of duplicate pics floating around.
      Every site I've had, 99% of affiliate sites I've seen, and a site making $5K+ per day with adsense are All using images pulled straight from google images.

      I had one company request I take a pic down during the last 5 years which I did. However if somebody tried to weasel $850 out of me for using a pic I'd tell them to get bent.

      OP your mistake was using a google site, you had no control, and just like YT someone can flag you and all your work can be wiped out overnight. Stick with your own domain & hosting.
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      Originally Posted by Legit SEO View Post

      Because if you're buying stock along with all the other "do gooders" thats a lot of duplicate pics floating around.
      Every site I've had, 99% of affiliate sites I've seen, and a site making $5K+ per day with adsense are All using images pulled straight from google images.
      Legit SEO...

      If you don't want to do the work yourself then pay someone to do it for you. Can I use someone else's content if I don't have my own, don't want to create my own, and definitely don't way to pay for the right to use someone else's?

      You don't need an DSLR to get decent product shots by the way.
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