Should buy high PR expired domain or high domain authority ?

by markviduk86

Posted: 10 years ago 32 replies

Hello all
I have a project with blog network
Should I buy high PR expired domain (PR3-5, but low DA) or buy high DA domain (but low PR, PR=0-1)

Please help me
Thank in advance

#authority #buy #domain #expired #high

dennis09 10 years ago

Easy. The one with the better link profile.
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- Mike Anthony 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by dennis09
  
  Easy. The one with the better link profile.
  
  Straight and to the point.
  
  P.S. Beware domains being sold on PR now (after nearly a tear with no updates) . Since Google has announced they will not be updating until next year its open season on people passing off pagerank domains with zero links.
  
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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Sites with a low PR and a high DA/PA often have a very spammy link profile.

Sites with a high PR and a very low DA/PA are often domains with a faked PR.

Obvious I don't know what means low or high to you but in most cases I ignore domains with such metrics and just focus on the ones where the stats are more in line with each other.

With focus I mean that I start to look closer at the actual back link profile by downloading the links from Ahrefs, importing them into Scrapebox, running a PR check and go through the ones with the highest PR to see if they are still there and see if they aren't made nofollow.

I suppose you ask this question cause you found some bargains right? Good domains almost never go for cheap!

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

With focus I mean that I start to look closer at the actual back link profile by downloading the links from Ahrefs, importing them into Scrapebox, running a PR check and go through the ones with the highest PR to see if they are still there and see if they aren't made nofollow.

I couldn't imagine doing all of that manually. Use Inspyder and everything you listed is taken care of.

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nik0

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Expensive solution to import it directly through Ahref's API.

5000 units = 50.000 back links = 1640 Thai Baht, that's like 40 euro, that could be wasted on one single domain.

LOl dude....calm thyself down. Its actually pretty economical. Ahrefs does not charge for each backlink pulled. It charges PER INQUIRY. $50.00 lasts a long long long time and rolls over month after month . its actually the cheapest way of accessing ahrefs data. Inspyder just this week added DA, PA and Moz trust checking so with an Ahrefs and moz api key you can check links on a domain and get PR and Moz metrics all in one go

And when you download it as .csv file from Ahrefs it isn't able to import it without copying it to a .txt file first.

You do not need csvs with Inspyders Backlink monitor tool. it pulls the links from ahrefs directly

All that takes me maybe 5-10 minutes in total while if I had a tool let go through 1000's of url's and get all those stats it would take like an hour or maybe even more.

with proxies most domains take five minutes in Inspyder. You can even schedule several checks although they do need to add bulk test file import. Right now spyglass is the only one you can do bulk checks but their backlink data is the pits.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

LOl dude....calm thyself down. Ahrefs does not charge for each backlink pulled. It charges PER INQUIRY. $50.00 lasts a long long long time and rolls over month after month . its actually the cheapest way of accessing ahrefs data. Inspyder just this week added DA, PA and Moz trust checking so with an Ahrefs and moz api key you can check links on a domain and get PR and Moz metrics all in one go

Per request not per link

LOL

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I never tried to see if proxy's speed it up, in the end it still has to be downloaded through my internet connection. Worth a test for sure.

You know of any fast private proxy supplies?

Just purchased 5000 API credits

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Per request not per link

LOL

Yep so when you request data for a domain whether its 5 links or 20.000 it turns out to be like 10 cents for each inquiry. I check several hundred and sometimes several thousands of domains per month and that $50 API charge up last months. Beats the tar out of ahrefs monthly fees

I never tried to see if proxy's speed it up, in the end it still has to be downloaded through my internet connection. Worth a test for sure.

How do you survive without a Windows VPS?

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Oh you can buy credits and don't even need a subscription with Ahrefs for the rest? I already have a paid subscription but worth considering to cancel that one then.

You ever experienced the delay when logging into a VPS? Even with a steady internet connection. Now imagine what happens when you're on a wireless that runs at like 1mbps.

In fact internet isn't a huge issue's when I work at night, that's why you see me typing here at 7:43am in the morning lol without having slept (yet)

For the rest I don't have too many tasks that I can automate, I'm lucky to have a good domain broker that doesn't charge crazy prices so I use him most of the time.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

You know of any fast private proxy supplies?

One of the few gems on fiver:
http://fiverr.com/mazgalici/give-you...om-our-servers

Originally Posted by nik0

You ever experienced the delay when logging into a VPS? Even with a steady internet connection. Now imagine what happens when you're on a wireless that runs at like 1mbps.

I've experienced that but having a VPS, to me, is still worth it. The lag is traded off with the fact that you'd be able to handle more bandwidth heavy programs. Nice to be able to leave a program running 24/7 too (gscraper ftw). Granted my internet connection is a bit faster than 1mbps

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

One of the few gems on fiver:
give you FOUR fast proxies from our servers - fiverr

I've experienced that but having a VPS, to me, is still worth. The lag is traded off with the fact that you'd be able to handle more bandwidth heavy programs. Nice to be able to leave it running 24/7 too (gscraper ftw). Granted my internet connection is a bit faster than 1mbps

Thank you, just bought the gig as well.

Why are you scraping 24/7? Tiered link building?

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Thank you, just bought the gig as well.

Don't mention it, i've learned quite a few things from you guys as well. One of the very few reasons I still use the WF besides sh*ts n giggles

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Why are you scraping 24/7? Tiered link building?

I used to use it with GSA but haven't touched it in a few months. Now just mass scraping (gscraper+proxy service) for Haydens method. Semi-automated with a VA.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I used to use it with GSA but haven't touched it in a few months. Now just mass scraping (gscraper+proxy service) for Haydens method. Semi-automated with a VA.

HEY!!! Not cool... Stay away from crawling old domains with your grscraper and hayden method. Those domains are all mine!! Back off.

On the serious side I worked out a little twist to Mr hayden's method and have found some gems (Yep winautomation is now involved there but I am late to gscraper - was using scrapebox). Bonus is since PR has not been updated competitors look at those links and wonder - how a site is ranking "on those crappy links"? lol.

BY the way for those who might think this conversation has gone off topic. Its hasn't. This has very much to do with tools and procedures in the domain after market.

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

HEY!!! Not cool... Stay away from crawling old domains with your grscraper and hayden method. Those domains are all mine!! Back off.

I have my own little twist which involves footprints. Not sure how much you've dabbled but you probably figured it out already. Trade?

Oh, and a lot of gems now at auction too because people are still filtering based on PR

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

BY the way for those who might think this conversation has gone off topic. Its hasn't. This has very much to do with tools and procedures in the domain after market.

I don't think too many people would mind. At least it didn't degenerate into some internet b*tch fight. His question has been answered + lots of good info here.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Oh, and a lot of gems now at auction too because people are still filtering based on PR

Hehehe......I have no idea what you are talking about. I hope everyone keeps on filtering by PR.

I have my own little twist which involves footprints. Not sure how much you've dabbled but you probably figured it out already. Trade?

Use footprints too but not on that twist. We can trade in about a year. how about that?
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nik0 Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I used to use it with GSA but haven't touched it in a few months. Now just mass scraping (gscraper+proxy service) for Haydens method. Semi-automated with a VA.

I did that when he just launched his method and could find quite a few nice domains.

Did another run a week or two ago, based on foreign domains in a specific country, couldn't find a single thing.

Yeah 1 weak domain with a single PR2 link.

Method seems heavily saturated by now.

I'm sure you can still find some that are worth it but a VPS is then indeed a must as you will have to go through huge amounts.

What I nowadays do when I need some weak/cheap domains is just filter the deleted lists from expireddomains.net based on last 24hrs or 7 days, especially now that Google hasn't updated their PR for quite some time you can pick up some nice enough domains that way.

I think people have no idea what you can pick up there, just sorted a list and got myself a domain with:

TF18
CF10
MozRank 3.25
MozTrust 3.7
DA 25.97
4 PR3 links
16 PR2 links

Sure nothing too impressive but normally such domain would still bring in $40-$50 maybe at auctions? Not bad to pick up for 10 bucks, 5 minutes work (scraping included) and another 20 domains to look at.
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ahrefs

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ahrefs does not charge for each backlink pulled. It charges PER INQUIRY.

Just want to make things clearer with Ahrefs API.
API has nothing to do with subscriptions, and if you plan to use API only, free account will be enough to get your Ahrefs Key. Afterwards you just buy certain amount of API Units and start working.

Each API function has its price estimated in API Units.
If you aim at getting the list of backlinks or domains for certain URL, price of such a request will depend on amount of requested results.
If you want to get number of backlinks/ref domains, the price will be fixed.
More details on prices may be found here - https://ahrefs.com/api/

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by ahrefs

Each API function has its price estimated in API Units.
If you aim at getting the list of backlinks or domains for certain URL, price of such a request will depend on amount of requested results.
If you want to get number of backlinks/ref domains, the price will be fixed.
More details on prices may be found here - https://ahrefs.com/api/

My mistake. I had thought the cost was .10 api units per request (probably read the wrong line)but to break it down if I am now reading it right -

Per item cost: 0.01 API unit The total request cost is: per item cost * number of items but not less than 1 API Unit.

50.00 would give you 5,000 api points and half a million links pulled (presuming searches had over a hundred links where the "not less than 1 APi unit" would come in).

Starter level

1 US cent = 1 api unit
.01 api/cents = 1 link

even if you were checking domains that had less than a hundred links you would get 5,000 domains checked. I'll have to keep that in mind if I come across domains with very high link counts though. 10 domains would eat up the $50 charge if it had 50,000 backlinks each.

I wouldn't have noticed because I seldom check that many links. Domains I research are in the high hundreds to maybe 5,000 links tops. Averaged around 700 (so 6-7 cents per domain). The higher amounts tend to be spammed domains or a seriously high priced domain.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

I couldn't imagine doing all of that manually. Use Inspyder and everything you listed is taken care of.

Hey dennis Backlink miner turns out to be not too shabby. I know when I suggested Inspyder to you I was down on Miner but it works pretty nicely although the developer opted to load csv files from ahrefs rather than direct import. That still is its greatest weakness

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Just checked, why you use this over Spyglass? Both seem to do the same but Spyglass is free.

I used to use Spyglass but like Mike said the data is crap. Pulling straight from Ahrefs was like a dream come true for me. It's super cheap.

It does everything that you're doing manually, only faster. Also breaks down links by type (Web2.0,Blogg Comment etc) and analyses anchor text in a tidy little report with a PR chart.

Inspyder also keeps track of links and automatically maps out your Tier structure. I'm using it now to keep track of my money sites and do domain analysis.

*insert affiliate link here*

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Miner was on my radar until you suggested Inspyder, and I never turned back. I'll have to do a 360 and give it another look though.

Which reminds me, how big of a learning curve is WinAutomation?

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Just bought it 5 minutes ago

along with 5000 API credits.

I like Ahrefs a lot too yes, this will definitely make my job easier.

Now I only have to find some decent proxies and I can analyze domains faster and in a better way!

BIG THANKS to both of you!

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Miner was on my radar until you suggested Inspyder, and I never turned back. I'll have to do a 360 and give it another look though.

Which reminds me, how big of a learning curve is WinAutomation?

I wouldn't turn back. it still would not be my go to tool. I find myself using it mostly for a quick look at a domain I find - Though their backlink data is better than Spyglass.

Winautomation? not that hard but I've dabbled in programming so that might affect my view. Let me put it this way - no harder than any other automation tool like Zennoposter. You can record your automation too which is easier but you just have to make sure your environment is going to stay the same since it goes off image recognition. So it works better on VPS BUT you have to keep the window open since Remote connections have an effect of freezing mouse movement when closed

The lag is traded off with the fact that you'd be able to handle more bandwidth heavy programs. Nice to be able to leave it running 24/7 too (gscraper ftw). Granted my internet connection is a bit faster than 1mbps

I've been on the road a lot the last few weeks and am presently using hotel connectivity which peaks at 800kps. Works fine for me with three different connections. All my Vps providers are US based though. I might be wrong but I have found location is a greater issue than my local speed. When I used Berman over in Europe which is very far away I had issues but not since finding VPS providers nearer

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dennis09

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Winautomation? not that hard but I've dabbled in programming so that might affect my view. Let me put it this way - no harder than any other automation tool like Zennoposter. You can record your automation too which is easier but you just have to make sure your environment is going to stay the same since it goes off image recognition. So it works better on VPS BUT you have to keep the window open since Remote connections have an effect of freezing mouse movement when closed

Thanks, that one is next up on my to do list.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I've been on the road a lot the last few weeks and am presently using hotel connectivity which peaks at 800kps. Works fine for me with three different connections. All my Vps providers are US based though. I might be wrong but I have found location is a greater issue than speed. When I used Berman over in Europe with is very far away I had issues but not since findong VPS providers nearer

My server is in Germany but the lag is hardly noticeable. Not enough to bother switching locations. But i'd imagine having one in the US would be a lot faster though.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by dennis09

Thanks, that one is next up on my to do list.

My server is in Germany but the lag is hardly noticeable. Not enough to bother switching locations. But i'd imagine having one in the US would be a lot faster though.

I used to have a dedicated server in Germany and I lived on the border of Netherlands/Germany with a normal ADSL connection.

The lag was terrible, and that has always been my experience with either VPS or Dedi, don't know why. I put plenty of settings off like color/sound etc.

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markviduk86

10 years ago

There are some people selling high DA domain with PR3-4 at $20-$30
Should I buy them ?
I checked fake pagerank, all are real

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nik0

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Originally Posted by markviduk86

There are some people selling high DA domain with PR3-4 at $20-$30
Should I buy them ?
I checked fake pagerank, all are real

You should check the back links before you can say whether they are fake or not. All those online fake checkers are flawed.

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markviduk86

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

You should check the back links before you can say whether they are fake or not. All those online fake checkers are flawed.

Really ?
Seem it is not easy to get high quality domain to build a network !

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nik0

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Originally Posted by markviduk86

Really ?
Seem it is not easy to get high quality domain to build a network !

Yeah duh, if it would be easy everyone would be doing it.

Fact is that most end up with crappy domains that aren't worth a dime cause they don't do proper research.

Also the reason why there are so many scammers active in that niche, it's easy money for them to fake a domain.

If those scammers were a tiny bit more smart they would really fake it in an undetectable way, I ain't going into details but it's pretty simple but requires some upfront investments + it's time consuming to set it all up properly and 99.9% of domain buyers would fall for their trap, no matter how educated they are. In fact you can't even call it faking anymore when you take it to such extend but still people get ripped off big time.

Lucky for us most of those rip off artists are just plain stupid and want to make a quick easy buck.

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attorneydavid

10 years ago

I've been checking the wayback machine to see if there was a legit site that would justify the links.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by attorneydavid

I've been checking the wayback machine to see if there was a legit site that would justify the links.

Any success so far?

You know you can scrape the TDNAM database from Google with scrapebox right, just enter your keyword and see if something rolls out, based on your name you could go for "attorney" "legal" "lawyer" etc.

Just not sure if they come sue you for copyright infringment in that niche

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attorneydavid

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Actually, yeah, it's a good strategy as another step. I plan to use it more. I've actually started trying prioritize acquiring brandable domain names for my brandable domain name selling sites that have good backlink profiles as a tie breaker for names that I'm on the fence about with the idea of building a network of sites since I'm paying 5k a year in reg fees anyway.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by attorneydavid

Kind of what I spend on reg fee's as well lol.

Today I was playing around a bit in the database from expireddomains.net, with the idea to group them as niche relevant in my own network, like US/UK/NL....

... and sell the left overs like Italy, Poland, Peru to anyone who's interested.

After spending a night myself examining 20 or so domains I'm kind of done with it so I'll have to train one of my VA's to do that for me and see how worthwhile it is. I don't want to end up with 1000 domains that no one buys obviously

Nice initiative and good idea to add a logo with it, I'm sure there will be businesses interested, I also always run in the struggle of what name to chose when I launch something.

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nik0 Banned 10 years ago

I don't know what's wrong with the API but when I pull links from 1 site it charged me 15.12 or 15.13 API points.

Ah I see you guys do charge per requested link hmm, will keep that in mind in case a domain has many 1000's of links.

15 cent is not too much though.
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Should buy high PR expired domain or high domain authority ?

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