Surprising SEO Case Study - What's working in Google Now?

32 replies
  • SEO
  • |

What do you guys think of the results?

Any recommendations for anything else you'd like to see us test in the future?
#case #case study #google #seo #study #surprising #videos #what’s #working #youtube
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
    Banned
    Can people please quit sharing video's, it's such a waste of time unless you're an analphabeet.

    Still an interesting video, however nothing that will really last long as massive amount of article directory links are as unnatural as it can get.

    I'm not very surprised that the article directory submission worked pretty well, thing is that those links are often hosted on the homepage for a while and thus pass on juice, I just wonder how long your rankings will stay.

    I'm not really convinced about the effectiveness of the wiki and web2.0 links though. It could be that the other links kind of prevented the video to rank and that it would naturally rank with zero links at page 3,4,5 as well so did you build a video with no links to see what would happen with that one? Or did you wait a great while after uploading the video's to see where they would naturally rank?

    At the huge sites like Ezines and such you won't stay long enough on the homepage to ge too pass any juice and probably you're spun article didn't get accepted there, the smaller sites probably get spammed a lot less these days so perhaps they really do send over some juice, but that's just speculating.

    A long time ago I asked a VA to do 100% whitehat for me, I gave him a budget and let him free, while clearly saying that I didn't want any automated links.

    Guess what I got?

    150 manually made (yeah right) bookmarks at PR0-PR5 sites
    and a spun article submitted to 50 article directories

    So long for following instructions, kind of shows how freaking dumb or how limited their English is or just totally ignorant, I suspect the first and the latter.

    Anyway, totally by surprise he did get me ranked at the top of page TWO for the keyword:

    "payday loan lenders"

    which has quite a few searches/month and in a competitive niche, obvious those rankings didn't last very long so although spam links can still work in the right amounts it never lasts very long which makes the case study kind of useless, unless you're into churn & burn.

    So for the churn & burn amateurs:

    Massive amounts of Bookmarks + Article Directories + Wiki's + Web2.0's
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8673283].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    You left out public blog networks and private blog networks, which would be the main weapon of choice these days. Best results seem to have come from do-follow contextuals which is not really suprising. Also as you metioned, its not really a case study anyone could apply findings to use on-site, as you can blast the bejesus out of YT, but would you try throw that garbage at your domain?

    Pro-bab-ly Not
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8673984].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      You left out public blog networks and private blog networks, which would be the main weapon of choice these days. Best results seem to have come from do-follow contextuals which is not really suprising. Also as you metioned, its not really a case study anyone could apply findings to use on-site, as you can blast the bejesus out of YT, but would you try throw that garbage at your domain?

      Pro-bab-ly Not
      That would be kind of unfair competition
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8674129].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        That would be kind of unfair competition
        Yeah, you could do like 100 links from a public and 5 from a private against all that crap combined and see what happens.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8674155].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author nik0
          Banned
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Yeah, you could do like 100 links from a public and 5 from a private against all that crap combined and see what happens.
          If you talk about ALN or something you probably need 100 yes, where most of the domains are faked and where they have 100+ submissions per day.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8674164].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author veekay31
    Ranking for a short period of time is possible using unnatural means, but the real challenge is to maintain rankings for some period of time. Invariable unnatural links result in the page getting penalized. Consistent natural looking links will get you better results in the medium to long term.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8674941].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Can people please quit sharing video's, it's such a waste of time unless you're an analphabeet.

      Still an interesting video, however nothing that will really last long as massive amount of article directory links are as unnatural as it can get.

      I'm not very surprised that the article directory submission worked pretty well, thing is that those links are often hosted on the homepage for a while and thus pass on juice, I just wonder how long your rankings will stay.

      I'm not really convinced about the effectiveness of the wiki and web2.0 links though. It could be that the other links kind of prevented the video to rank and that it would naturally rank with zero links at page 3,4,5 as well so did you build a video with no links to see what would happen with that one? Or did you wait a great while after uploading the video's to see where they would naturally rank?

      So for the churn & burn amateurs:

      Massive amounts of Bookmarks + Article Directories + Wiki's + Web2.0's
      All of the rankings here have been settled for a while. Really I don't even know where to start with the negativity and complaining of your post.

      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      You left out public blog networks and private blog networks, which would be the main weapon of choice these days. Best results seem to have come from do-follow contextuals which is not really suprising. Also as you metioned, its not really a case study anyone could apply findings to use on-site, as you can blast the bejesus out of YT, but would you try throw that garbage at your domain?

      Pro-bab-ly Not
      That's why we mentioned it as the limitation of the case study. However, where are you going to find 10 pieces of content that have identical onpage SEO? There were benefits to doing it this way in other ways.

      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Yeah, you could do like 100 links from a public and 5 from a private against all that crap combined and see what happens.
      Of course but compare that to cost. The cheapest we get any private domain is $20. Now add up the cost of hosting 5 of them for a year. You're talking $400-500 worth of links which doesn't make this a truly fair case study.

      Originally Posted by veekay31 View Post

      Ranking for a short period of time is possible using unnatural means, but the real challenge is to maintain rankings for some period of time. Invariable unnatural links result in the page getting penalized. Consistent natural looking links will get you better results in the medium to long term.
      These rankings have maintained. It seems people are so afraid of Google that they get caught up more in what Google says they are doing instead of what they are actually doing.


      We're still open to suggestions on what you guys would like to see us study next?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8697517].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by guypeleides View Post

        Of course but compare that to cost. The cheapest we get any private domain is $20. Now add up the cost of hosting 5 of them for a year. You're talking $400-500 worth of links which doesn't make this a truly fair case study.
        Sure but software doe not run for free either. Biggest example SSenuke.

        $127 a month, upwards of $1300 a year. Decaptcha credits, Private Proxies etc etc.. All these ongoing costs people normally don't see before they get into it. Private domains start at $9, not sure where you got the $20 from, but even at that, it still wont cost the price of a years Senuke.

        And at the end of it. Absolutely no control over the pages you build and the sites they are hosted on. All adds up to a bad SEO approach.

        Your private network will never lose value, if anything it will increase in value and can be sold for profit at any time you wish. The opposite can only be said about the links used within the case study.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8697587].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author patadeperro
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          Private domains start at $9, not sure where you got the $20 from.
          BEcause it seems he buys the domains right when they are dropped in the actions while you buy them once they are explired via 404 analyzing their linking profile (I presume)
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8704755].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author nik0
        Banned
        Originally Posted by guypeleides View Post

        All of the rankings here have been settled for a while. Really I don't even know where to start with the negativity and complaining of your post.
        Lol you set up a test based on a whole lot of spam, how useful is that.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8699986].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SatishSEO
    Interesting! So magic submitter, SENUKU and other automated softwares are out of game now? That's a good news! People will now focus on producing quality content and videos! Good case study btw!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8697886].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
      Like some of the others said. You left out the most important test of all. 5 to 10 contextual backlinks from high PR sites. Would of loved to seen that result.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8697997].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author RandySwanston
    seems like a good case study, let us know how stable is the ranking in the coming days. I know it is not a strong link, but just curious how long it lasts.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8699916].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    To summarise the video:

    1. Senuke blast - didn't work
    2. Bookmarks - page 3 to 4
    3. Xrummer profile links - didn't work
    4. Web 2.0 - page 5
    5. Scrapebox - didn't work
    6. Social signals - didn't work
    7. High PR blog comments - didn't work
    8. Wiki links - page 4
    9. Articles and Press Release - Page 1 - in top 3 results

    I'd like to see a 301 redirect from and old high (>PR2), domain.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8702862].message }}
  • You guys are missing the point. This is one of the better posts on the forum. It shows testing and results. That is what we are doing every day right? That is effectively our job - we try things, if they make money we do more if it, if not we stop. I mean that is the definition of IM.

    I thought the video was great. This is my new slogan:

    It seems people are so afraid of Google that they get caught up more in what Google says they are doing instead of what they are actually doing.

    So many decisions are made on Google rumors - show me the proof - the proof is a function of testing

    Everyone starting out should basically do what the video did, tried 9 things, 1 worked and made money, now just do the 1 thing that worked 1,000 times and you have some serious cash
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8704708].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by PathofLeastResistance View Post

      You guys are missing the point. This is one of the better posts on the forum. It shows testing and results. That is what we are doing every day right? That is effectively our job - we try things, if they make money we do more if it, if not we stop. I mean that is the definition of IM.

      I thought the video was great. This is my new slogan:

      It seems people are so afraid of Google that they get caught up more in what Google says they are doing instead of what they are actually doing.

      So many decisions are made on Google rumors - show me the proof - the proof is a function of testing

      Everyone starting out should basically do what the video did, tried 9 things, 1 worked and made money, now just do the 1 thing that worked 1,000 times and you have some serious cash
      Bingo. When it comes to entrepreneurship in general you're going to be swimming in the dark. You gotta jump in and feel your way around a bit. Even in the wake of "failure" the wise person will gain valuable data and insights into things you wont just find browsing the WF. Become your own guru. Just do it. Experience is valuable.
      Signature
      There is no elevator to success, you have to take the stairs
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8705981].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author andrewkar
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Bingo. When it comes to entrepreneurship in general you're going to be swimming in the dark. You gotta jump in and feel your way around a bit. Even in the wake of "failure" the wise person will gain valuable data and insights into things you wont just find browsing the WF. Become your own guru. Just do it. Experience is valuable.
        This is it. Just do it

        (I don't give a s**** about Nike... But! slogan is good)
        Signature
        Do what you want to do!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8718889].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sam1983
    hey guys

    i do agree, that articles, PR are working now.. However, what should be the ratio between URL,anchor or brand.. How the links should be made in articles or PR's?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8706138].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Texjd
    That's not a bad case study, in this current Google nightmare scenario. What I would like to know is the timeline. I've personally noticed I can get most new websites ranked quickly but it doesn't last. Sometimes they stay 2 weeks, usually about 30 days. And then Google smacks them hard. I think that's due to Google having multiple bots that grade differently. And as the website gets viewed by the series it gets measured on different aspects.

    I also think the keyword and category have a huge impact on ranking. High dollar-competition get the most attention, whereas the lower value don't really get the same scrutiny.

    And I'm not sure using a video on youtube can equate to websites in ranking methods. The videos seem to handle crap links better but that can change too. But the OP clearly mentions that in the study.

    The hardest part about doing a case study is there are just too many variables these days. A good example is the social signals methods really shouldn't be used necessarily for ranking but getting traffic from the links directly. Same goes for many links, look at the direct traffic as much as the ranking power. But the gothca there is that not all keywords or categories work with social signals.

    That's the direction I'm moving to and it does seem to be much more effective. Even if Google doesn't give you any juice for a link, the direct traffic can be of value. These types of links require a little more effort and getting inside the head of your potential customer but in the long run provide better traffic (as in conversions and revenue).

    Bottom line is it's a constant battle these days. I'm not sure it's any one method but a combination that fits the keyword, category, and competition.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8706287].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author bigcat1967
      I'm being stupid here - but what is a 4x video on youtube mean?
      Signature

      <a href="https://changeyourbudget.com/save-money-on-your-water-bill/">How to Lower Your Water Bill</a>

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8706752].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author sam1983
      Originally Posted by Texjd View Post

      That's not a bad case study, in this current Google nightmare scenario. What I would like to know is the timeline. I've personally noticed I can get most new websites ranked quickly but it doesn't last. Sometimes they stay 2 weeks, usually about 30 days. And then Google smacks them hard. I think that's due to Google having multiple bots that grade differently. And as the website gets viewed by the series it gets measured on different aspects.

      I also think the keyword and category have a huge impact on ranking. High dollar-competition get the most attention, whereas the lower value don't really get the same scrutiny.

      And I'm not sure using a video on youtube can equate to websites in ranking methods. The videos seem to handle crap links better but that can change too. But the OP clearly mentions that in the study.

      The hardest part about doing a case study is there are just too many variables these days. A good example is the social signals methods really shouldn't be used necessarily for ranking but getting traffic from the links directly. Same goes for many links, look at the direct traffic as much as the ranking power. But the gothca there is that not all keywords or categories work with social signals.

      That's the direction I'm moving to and it does seem to be much more effective. Even if Google doesn't give you any juice for a link, the direct traffic can be of value. These types of links require a little more effort and getting inside the head of your potential customer but in the long run provide better traffic (as in conversions and revenue).

      Bottom line is it's a constant battle these days. I'm not sure it's any one method but a combination that fits the keyword, category, and competition.
      Hey Texjd,

      How do you even get them in few weeks? Can you please share you link building strategy briefly.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8707075].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author guypeleides
        Originally Posted by PathofLeastResistance View Post

        You guys are missing the point. This is one of the better posts on the forum. It shows testing and results. That is what we are doing every day right? That is effectively our job - we try things, if they make money we do more if it, if not we stop. I mean that is the definition of IM.

        I thought the video was great. This is my new slogan:

        It seems people are so afraid of Google that they get caught up more in what Google says they are doing instead of what they are actually doing.

        So many decisions are made on Google rumors - show me the proof - the proof is a function of testing

        Everyone starting out should basically do what the video did, tried 9 things, 1 worked and made money, now just do the 1 thing that worked 1,000 times and you have some serious cash
        I'm glad you picked up on it.

        I swear if I had packaged this as WSO to make $100 in 10 minutes while pushing a button in your underwear twice per day, it would have received a better response.

        The biggest thing I agree with is that what works in Google is spread by rumors instead of empirical data. It's important to test and see what's actually working.

        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        Bingo. When it comes to entrepreneurship in general you're going to be swimming in the dark. You gotta jump in and feel your way around a bit. Even in the wake of "failure" the wise person will gain valuable data and insights into things you wont just find browsing the WF. Become your own guru. Just do it. Experience is valuable.
        Well said.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8707116].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author anwar001
    Very interesting video. Thanks for sharing with us all. This information is really useful. I would suggest that you also combine link types and see their effect on the video rankings.

    Regarding the video for which you built social signals, I would suggest you build some backlinks to it too. It could be that a combination of backlinks and social signals would prove good for rankings. It would be surprising if a site gets lot of social votes but no backlinks in the same way as only backlinks without social signals would look unnatural.

    One more thing I would suggest you to try out is link pyramid. It could prove quite effective for the videos.
    Signature
    Get Hundreds of Super Targeted Traffic in Any Niche from Facebook - 3 Step Organic FB Marketing

    25 Guidelines For Massive Affiliate Success - Whether you are a beginner or an expert, read these principles and refer back to them many times
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8706981].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Texjd
    sam1893 - If you want to get better results (read direct traffic) from Social Bookmarks you post your self and look and try and figure out what is a burning question they might have about subject matter. Don't do 50 of the same links, pick the top 5 or 6 SB sites and vary your comments. Some of my sites get up to 15% of their traffic from these types of SBs. When I add a new page or post I usually use SBs to get it indexed and some quick traffic.

    Same goes for Pinterest, Instagram, and flicker. I look around and comment on others too. If your links and info are well targeted you can get some good traffic that can convert better than random searches on Google.

    Create a campaign rather than just a set of links. That way you can get some juice for serps and some direct traffic. So when I add some info I've already got a plan for bringing in traffic above and beyond the serps.

    I've got a couple of older sites that Google kicked to the curb a long time ago but they keep trucking along with traffic from Bing, Yahoo, and the social networking sites. As long as you give the visitor what they are looking for you can do well without Google.

    I rarely use anchor text anymore, maybe about 10%. Most of my links are either brand or straight URL. My page or post name says it all for the user anyway. And most of my links are at places that are directly related towards my subject.

    It takes a lot more time and effort but the results justify both. Not for everyone but it works for me.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8708555].message }}
  • No matter what, it is a process of trial and error until another update!
    Signature
    Dallas Niche Specific PR 4 Links:
    Contact : vibrantriches8@gmail.com Subject Line: Link Service
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8714243].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author affiliatez
    I am tired of doing seo for websites, I now only rank youtube video and other social site weapon, it must be more easy and safe, donot care about the update.
    Signature
    Fapturbo2 introduction version 2014
    Buy virtual credit card at www.Luckygiftcard.com
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8714272].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author markhar
    Automated link building is like renting Google ranking. You may get some good result now, but you will lose your rankings sooner or later. Some people even can not get the short term high ranking because they don't know anything about Google's rules and can not hide their footprints smartly. So they get penalized immediately by Google.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8714330].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author bigcat1967
    To summarise the video:

    1. Senuke blast - didn't work
    2. Bookmarks - page 3 to 4
    3. Xrummer profile links - didn't work
    4. Web 2.0 - page 5
    5. Scrapebox - didn't work
    6. Social signals - didn't work
    7. High PR blog comments - didn't work
    8. Wiki links - page 4
    9. Articles and Press Release - Page 1 - in top 3 results
    So then - the question would be - (if #9 works) - what would be some of the top article directories to place your articles on?

    Hubpages? Squidoo? EZA?
    Signature

    <a href="https://changeyourbudget.com/save-money-on-your-water-bill/">How to Lower Your Water Bill</a>

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8718770].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Uh...people....now don't tell me that ezinearticles and the crappy articlesbase etc. would see a second "renaissance" being the most powerful way to build links today...because this I would simply not buy!

    What does he mean with "articles", besides press releases? WHERE do the articles go? There is no way in hell that the best SEO strategy ATM would be "article directories" and some bookmarking.

    What did you use for your articles, AMR?
    Signature
    *** Affiliate Site Quick --> The Fastest & Easiest Way to Make Affiliate Sites!<--
    -> VISIT www.1UP-SEO.com *** <- Internet Marketing, SEO Tips, Reviews & More!! ***
    *** HIGH QUALITY CONTENT CREATION +++ Manual Article Spinning (Thread Here) ***
    Content Creation, Blogging, Articles, Converting Sales Copy, Reviews, Ebooks, Rewrites
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8718875].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      What does he mean with "articles", besides press releases? WHERE do the articles go? There is no way in hell that the best SEO strategy ATM would be "article directories" and some bookmarking.
      Yeah well, he focused on links that are free or very easy to achieve so I can understand that those article directories / web2.0's provide better results then the rest.

      I haven't experienced myself with social signals pointed at links or press releases for that matter as I often don't have the budgets for that and all those fake likes / tweets only last till all the accounts are banned for spam (you know the crap you buy at fiverr and such). Too much experience from >1 year ago that it never lasted.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8741601].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    I just want to add that I consider this one of the more interesting posts on SEO recently. I still can't bend my head about your results with article directories and press releases. Accoding to Cutts, PRs have "no SEO value anymore"...and article directories are pretty much dead for two or more years.

    I would be very interested in what results you get applying this to older, established domains...or any other, interesting combination such as PR and articles on their own...and/or in combination with social signals. I wouldn't be surprised if there would be some very surprising findings, say, combine a PR with some social signals....and possibly a NEW page/post on an older site as the URL. Things like that.
    Signature
    *** Affiliate Site Quick --> The Fastest & Easiest Way to Make Affiliate Sites!<--
    -> VISIT www.1UP-SEO.com *** <- Internet Marketing, SEO Tips, Reviews & More!! ***
    *** HIGH QUALITY CONTENT CREATION +++ Manual Article Spinning (Thread Here) ***
    Content Creation, Blogging, Articles, Converting Sales Copy, Reviews, Ebooks, Rewrites
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8722864].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author onlinemarketer23
    Originally Posted by guypeleides View Post

    Surprising SEO Case Study - What's working in Google Now? - YouTube

    What do you guys think of the results?

    Any recommendations for anything else you'd like to see us test in the future?
    thx a lot mate for sharing this info and get it closer to us!! people like u are those who deserves the most success in life!! cheers to all :-)
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8741718].message }}

Trending Topics