Domains with DA/PA but no PR?

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I've got a ton of domains for a network I setup, and since PR just updated I went back to check them. I'm stoked with the results but I'm confused, too.

I have a bunch that have PA/DA in the ~30 range but no PR. Links are valid in aHrefs, and Moz, so they should have gotten some PR.

Does this mean something happened to the sites in the past?

Or what does it mean? I'm new to DA/PA so it's not completely clear on how this is working out.
#search engine optimization #da or pa #domains
  • PR not only depend on Backlinks but also on Quality of the content too.
  • PR isn't updated very often - lots of threads on here with people talking about in more depth but the executive summary is "don't panic".
  • May be you dont have newly indexed backlinks and that could be one of the reason that the site losts its PR. Loosing PR to 0 doesn't mean you have been penalized. Your sites have good DA/PA and its time to create some fresh quality backlinks. It will help you increase your site's DA/PA and also probable PR increase in next update. As long as your site is ranking well, you dont need to worry much.
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    • Content has nothing to do with PR.


      To the OP, DA/PA is highly inaccurate. I wouldn't get too excited about it. I've spammed the crap out of a few domains, and their DA/PA shot up to over 60.

      Meanwhile, Google deindexed them.

      MozRank and MozTrust are a little better. Majestic SEO's metrics are better yet, but can sometimes still be misleading.
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  • A) Depends on the links. Are they real/natural/editorial links?

    or..

    B) Profile, blog comments, socialbookmark type of links?

    If A (highly doubtful) then doesn't really matter - I would still build a network out of them
    If B - Yes, I would drop em.
  • What kind of links? If they are links with PR themselves then trust the DA more. Mike F is right that DA can be gamed with a lot of links but thats no big deal and easy to determine based on the amount of links. However the last PR update was old data Google used and frankly in the absence of spam links Moz amd Majestic Metrics should be trusted over PR.
  • I prefer a combination of PA, DA, Mozrank and TrustFlow a lot better than PR. I only use domains for myself so I really don't care about PR anymore. A lot of gems out there.
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    • People trust PR more because its from Google. They trust without realizing that of all the companies involved in putting out metrics Google is the only one that has a very strong incentive NOT to give current reliable metrics for SEO.

      Like you said though..the silver lining is that as long as people keep drinking the PR kool aid there will be some sweet deals out there. Picked up a domain yesterday with some solid PR6 and PR5 links. PR says worthless DA says pretty Good.

      Yeah I think I will go with the metric picking up on the PR6 links
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  • Mike, I'm talking about the OP here.

    He mentioned domains that have a PA/DA of around 30, but are showing no PR. Without seeing some other metrics to back it up, there is nothing to get excited about there.

    Back when PR was updated regularly and everyone felt it was more trustworthy, we could see it all the time. PA/DA just didn't match up many times with PR. I've seen nothing to make me think that anything has changed. The only thing any of us used it for was to spot obviously fake PR domains.

    MozRank and MozTrust were always better metrics than DA or PA.

    If you are using a combination of Citation Flow, Trust Flow, MozRank, MozTrust, and PR, I see no reason to include DA or PA from there.
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    • So? Can't the same be said about PR or any metric? The PR4 I just bought for $9 says that pretty clearly

      It did many times although due to the nature of the numbering you would more compare to mozrank.. Ive read a few studies in the past on it and I can look them up for you. Like you said you can spam that out but like I said spotting link spam count is just so drop down easy for anyone to see its no big deal. Redirects and faked PR is a far harder problem to detect.

      Frankly i don't know how often Pr was updated to any accuracy as you claim because there were Pr updates where I saw things that made no sense whatsoever like the PR4 I mentioned that stayed that way for 18 months with no links anywhere I could fine. Huge chunks of the data was not accurate even last year.

      Most people do but you cannot overlook the reality that Google doesn't really want Webmasters, domain and link buyers and sellers having up to date information. Moz and majestic have that interest because delivering the metrics is core to their business. When a company doesn't even want to update their metrics its not sensible to me to think they are going to deliver accurate information in order to be any standard to compare the others to

      Sure its Google but hey its the same Google that wants to hide things for their core business = being a search engine.. Its the same Google hates links and domain being sold on PR and fighs against people utilizing that metric.

      Really Mike. One update in nearly 11 months that according to Cutts himself only happened because engineers were doing something else and found it easier to push out some new ( new old) data. How in the world can you claim with Google saying they are less committed than ever to updating their metric that nothing has changed. That alone makes both Moz and Majestic metrics close alot of gaps.

      If I am using DA/PA , trustflow and Mozrank I see not reason to use PR when it is updated once a year and then with months old data. As a mtter of fact thats what I use now and its fine and dandy. To be honest Mike I have found Citation flow to be the skunk of the lot probably because its designed to be the skunk and report on citation regardless of quality.


      anyway I use all the metrics at some point.. Since I think people should always check the backlinks I just see no reason to concentrate on DA as being the only one potentially flawed . they all have their flaws and with a little knowledge of the flaws still work nicely..
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  • Banned
    How did I get dragged into this, I'm not even wearing my anti-moz t-shirt today?

    Anyways...

    Doesn't moz DA/PA also look at PR?

    I'm sure I also once read on moz (why?) that moz diy metrics is counting social votes.

    Lets hear it from the moz pros (lol), what say you?
  • I remember late last year I saw gstatic.com in a GD auction. No one had made any bids on it, PR3. So I made bid (the only bid) $80



    Unfortunately the holding company must have woke up at the last minute.



    I'd have taken that for $80, regardless of PR.
  • Are you kidding me? For years it was the worst kept secret in the SEO industry.

    Distilled was doing all kinds of things that Moz was saying didn't work or were bad SEO practices. Maybe you weren't paying attention to them back then. I don't know.

    The hypocrisy wouldn't have been that bad except for the fact that Moz was regularly outing other 'shady' SEO companies.
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    • Mike I gather you are not going to answer the question. You clearly have a chip on your shoulder which explains why you are always going on about DA and Moz metrics something I have never seen you do with majestic although citation flow can be gamed out of this world.. There is no kidding. I am merely stating that NO COMPANY in the SEO public space dealing with corporate clientele was going to come out and openly propose Black hat techniques. I don't see that as hypocrisy.

      Even we don't always come out and say we do grey hat and we are nowhere near on Google's radar so I am simply saying that its not surprising to me that Moz would not promote anything but white hat publicly. its a very simple point.

      I really don't give a rip about getting into ancient history and who outed who. Black hat could always get you into trouble but in past years it worked more so it doesn't surprise me that any company out there a few years ago may have used certain techniques even while pointing out the down sides of Black hat publicly. It is and was a two edged sword so its not even vaguely surprising Moz would recommend avoiding it for a certain segment of their viewers and preach white hat.

      Plus maybe its you that hasn't paid attention. I have seen many a white board friday admit to black hat working but then saying its not recommended with wry smile from the presenter. I expect nothing more with Google watching

      All of this doesn't mean anything to the Metrics and Moz hypocrisy or lack of it does not matter beans to the usefulness of their metrics. If they did then people should not use Pagerank at all because no one is more full of hypocrisy than Google for claiming that no one should manipulate results with bought links and then selling the top three results in the organic column for the highest bids.
  • You two still at it?
    I've ran out of popcorn and I'm down to my last cheese cracker :p
  • Unfortunately all metrics are easy to manipulate. To evaluate a domain you need to check the Page Rank, Moz Domain Authority, Moz Rank, Majestic Seo Citation and Trust Flow.
  • Thank you for your responses... I guess, lol..

    Anyway, in the OP, I was talking about domains I already owned. There's no "panic" about them not having PR, I was just curious about the anomaly. They're still getting used for links.

    The sites in question do have legitimate links. I just checked the first site and it's got 4 PR4 links, 6 PR3 links, and a bunch others. No PR, but high DA / PA, good MozRank & MozTrust.

    I'm just wondering if this means they sold links or something to get the PR stripped in the past? Archive.org checked out or I wouldn't have bought the domain. I'm not new, but this is something weird I figured someone else might have an explanation for.

    As far as Citation Flow and Trust Flow go, what are good numbers to use as a baseline? Anything to compare sorta apples to apples, or at least close to it so I can build a frame of reference in my head?
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    • They hijacked your thread and you where not even here to see it. :p:p:p
      I bought a fresh 6 pack of microwave popcorn today, I'll share some with you if you want to troll them awake again.

      I like to see +25 TF
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    Domains with DA/PA but no PR?

    I've got a ton of domains for a network I setup, and since PR just updated I went back to check them. I'm stoked with the results but I'm confused, too. I have a bunch that have PA/DA in the ~30 range but no PR. Links are valid in aHrefs, and Moz, so they should have gotten some PR.