Using cr*p links to vary anchor text

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi,

Is it OK if I use article directory backlinks or no-follow blog comments to vary anchor text. No one wants to buy a high pr domain and then stick a 'click here' anchor on it back to my site. It's my experience that Google still uses this a lot. Is there any problems with this? Article directories and no-follow blog comments shouldn't give me negative results.

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Seamy

This should be what you use those Web2.0s for in your other post.

Buy up a few decent expired domains, make yourself a small Private blog network. No need to add tier crap to those. Then dilute the anchor text fears with some Web2.0s.

The cost of setting up the PBN is unknown but as you said easy local earlier, so you might not need that much power behind the network to rank.

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seamy82

10 years ago

Yep, I do that mate. I buy up expired domains. But rightly or wrongly I do put a bit of effort into my web2.0s and I'm loathe to use a click here anchor on them, yet I still do from time to time. The thing I don't like about expired domains, is they'll gradually lose a good bit of their link profile overtime, so you have to buy more expired domains to point at your previously bought ones because I don't live in the magical land where people link naturally to your websites because of good content. Just wish it was tidier and more controlled but it is what it is.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Yep, I do that mate. I buy up expired domains. But rightly or wrongly I do put a bit of effort into my web2.0s and I'm loathe to use a click here anchor on them, yet I still do from time to time. The thing I don't like about expired domains, is they'll gradually lose a good bit of their link profile overtime, so you have to buy more expired domains to point at your previously bought ones because I don't live in the magical land where people link naturally to your websites because of good content. Just wish it was tidier and more controlled but it is what it is.

But you slipped into the magical land of thinking you need "click here" anchors.

Just use a bunch of longtail instead. Most of my pages anchor for over 100 keywords instead of anything useless to me like "click here"

Buy a software like longtail pro and get a bunch of longtails that are keyword related. At least then your anchors won't be a total waste.

Expired link degradation: Personally I will look for links within the domain profile that have been up for a couple of years and don't look like they are going anywhere soon. Avoid the spammy large link profiles that you know are only going to be deleted over time. You dont need a 1000 link expired domain when a single link will pass the same juice.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Don't screw up your link profile with junk.

If your paranoid about anchor-text simply use your page URL as the anchor-text. I have plenty of backlinks like this built by my traffic.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Don't screw up your link profile with junk.

If your paranoid about anchor-text simply use your page URL as the anchor-text. I have plenty of backlinks like this built by my traffic.

This too.

But he doesn't want to do it like that so, what else can I say.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

This too.

But he doesn't want to do it like that so, what else can I say.

...or use the index page URL as anchor-text while the URL is pointing to an internal page. Usually an internal page URL is the same text as the page title on the money page so the keyword relevancy is still there on the backlink even If it's not anchor-text.

Example:

(backlink anchor-text)

hxxp://domain.com
domain.com

(backlink URL)

hxxp://domain.com/best-auto-insurance-houston

Finished backlink:

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

...or use the index page URL as anchor-text while the URL is pointing to an internal page. Usually an internal page URL is the same text as the page title on the money page so the keyword relevancy is still there on the backlink even If it's not anchor-text.

Example:

(backlink anchor-text)
hxxp://domain.com

(backlink URL)
hxxp://domain.com/best-auto-insurance-houston

Finished backlink: http://domain.com

Or..use a random url shortner and place you desired keyword directly before the 301 giving the url keyword associated anchor.

Example
Keyword bit.ly/blahblahblah-random

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Or..use a random url shortner and place you desired keyword directly before the 301 giving the url keyword associated anchor.

Example
Keyword bit.ly/blahblahblah-random

Personally I wouldn't do that only because I wouldn't know how long something like bit.ly would keep the shortened URL on their server. It might last for years but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way 3 years from now If links started dropping off.

I'm not into tiered link building, I point my backlinks directly at the page I'm trying to rank. I know my links are decent, pages rank, good enough for me.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Personally I wouldn't do that only because I wouldn't know how long something like bit.ly would keep the shortened URL on their server. It might last for years but I wouldn't want to find out the hard way 3 years from now If links started dropping off.

I'm not into tiered link building, I point my backlinks directly at the page I'm trying to rank. I know my links are decent, pages rank, good enough for me.

Me too, but we are just answering questions here. I'm in a Christmas mood of just telling people what they need to know instead of yabbering on at them for doing it all wrong today.

I had all my fun for the day this morning

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...back-link.html

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online only

10 years ago

You can't be serious. Why on earth you want to build shitty links to your site? It's should be done by competitors, not by you.

Shit links = shit rankings. Period.

If you don't want to build legit links then don't build them at all. Waste of money & time.

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seamy82

10 years ago

What's all this link variation bollocks that people are talking about? Don't I need all kinds of links. Surely I can't just use links from a blog network? Won't I get an unnatural e-mail warning from Google? If I don't need to use click here, visit website, etc. Then f*ck it, I'm not going to. Cheers lads

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

What's all this link variation bollocks that people are talking about? Don't I need all kinds of links. Surely I can't just use links from a blog network? Won't I get an unnatural e-mail warning from Google? If I don't need to use click here, visit website, etc. Then f*ck it, I'm not going to. Cheers lads

Its kind of mis-info or more misguided info taken from large scale link spammers. Where they need to build 10s of thousands of links to rank a single page. That does look kind of obvious if 8000 of your links are all the same anchor.

But that same rule does not filter down to quality links that you may only need a handful to rank a page. Think about it, If it only took 1 link with anchor to rank your page. Would Google give you a penalty for over optimized anchor? No way they would. There's obviously a low limit line somewhere that only link spammers need worry about.

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Samuel Adams

10 years ago

Rather than using something so generic as 'click here' as your anchor link text, have you considered using the name of the page you are linking to or the name of the article being linked to as your anchor text? So for instance, you are linking to an article on your main site from your Tumblr or other 2.0 site and the title is 'Best 10 Internet Marketing tricks for the beginner'. That could be your anchor text on at least one or more of the sites. The logic behind this is how many bloggers who provide editorial backlinks, already use this strategy by mentioning the article name as the link text when linking to a useful article. If you just want to use variations, you could try anchor text such as 'read more', 'read this', etc along with other variations of your keywords.

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johnben1444

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seamy82

Hi,

Is it OK if I use article directory backlinks or no-follow blog comments to vary anchor text. No one wants to buy a high pr domain and then stick a 'click here' anchor on it back to my site. It's my experience that Google still uses this a lot. Is there any problems with this? Article directories and no-follow blog comments shouldn't give me negative results.

Thanks in advance,
Seamy

That's exactly what Google warned YOU about.

It will only lead you to the path of magic were sites disappear off the radar.

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DizenSounds

10 years ago

oh good lord dont use article directory links for this.

article directory links are whats being targeted by google right now and they are so easy to find!

use high quality links but diversify everything you can, nofollow/dofollow, anchor texts and so on.

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MikeFriedman 10 years ago

Originally Posted by DizenSounds

use high quality links but diversify everything you can, nofollow/dofollow, anchor texts and so on.

There is no need to go chasing nofollow links.
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- DizenSounds 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  There is no need to go chasing nofollow links.
  
  You are right they will come naturally with a linkbuilding campaign. The problem is that most people focus solely on getting dofollow links to the point that it's completely unnatural. Thats all I'm saying.
  
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dennis09

10 years ago

I link build generously using the post title. Besides naked urls that's one of the most natural ways to ccreate anchor text. When people share stuff the link is usually the title.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

I mostly use this:

sitename
site name
Site Name
sitename.com
www.sitename.com
hxxp://sitename.com
hxxp://www.sitename.com
hxxp://sitename.com/
hxxp://www.sitename.com/
exact keyword (seo service)
long tail variant (monthly seo service)
combi of exact keyword + brand (seo services @ seoservicegroup.com)
combi of long tail variant + brand (SEOServiceGroup.com - Monthly SEO service)
exact keyword in sentence (affordable SEO services for everyone)
long tail variant in sentence (check out our monthly seo service here)
click here / visit site / read more / source / more info

For those latest mentioned generic ones I mostly use image sharing sites as those are cheap and easy to gather and pretty much risk free. We then make a screenshot of the website that we use as image.

For the exact/long tail in combination with either brand or in sentence I mostly use the top 10 bookmark sites like reddit, digg, stumbleupon.

The branded/url anchors are mostly achieved from local listing sites, a handful of solid web directories, infographic sharing sites, press release submissions and social media like Twitter, Facebook etc.

Google itself once gave the advice to use descriptive anchor text's so those brand combi's and in sentence format pretty much match with that. In fact they actually advised against using generic anchors like click here, visit site, but as they are often a result of a natural link profile it won't hurt to add a few of them.

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sdzh

10 years ago

Yeah, I trust any advice that Google publicly broadcasts about as far as I can throw it.

Sure, they are going to make public ways in which you can game their algo. Go for it!

:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Google itself once gave the advice to use descriptive anchor text's so those brand combi's and in sentence format pretty much match with that. In fact they actually advised against using generic anchors like click here, visit site, but as they are often a result of a natural link profile it won't hurt to add a few of them.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sdzh

Yeah, I trust any advice that Google publicly broadcasts about as far as I can throw it.

Sure, they are going to make public ways in which you can game their algo. Go for it!

:rolleyes:

That's Nik0 your quoting not me.

But I can squash that point you made easy on his behalf:

They make very public how to game their algo. Just look at the top 3 results On-Off page optimization for any competitive SERP and you'll see exactly how to game their algo. Just copy exactly what they've done for your blueprint.

You can't get more public then that no? :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by sdzh

Yeah, I trust any advice that Google publicly broadcasts about as far as I can throw it.

Sure, they are going to make public ways in which you can game their algo. Go for it!

:rolleyes:

Well in my opinion it just makes sense that descriptive anchors should be used and why would you be paranoid to not trust anything Google says.

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sdzh

10 years ago

Regarding the discussion on whether to use "click here" as anchor text, when I am not in SEO mode and actually linking to a site that I like, just because I want to link to it (not to boost SERPS), I *do* use anchor text like "this site" and "click here" naturally.

With this in mind, I would imagine that many others do too, outside of the SEO sphere i.e. where natural, organic linking takes place.

Regarding the use of crappy sites to use as a means of varying anchor text, as others have said above - avoid that at all costs. Links from bad neighborhoods are only going to have one effect......

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patco

10 years ago

Why do you need such backlinks? They are not going to help you. ONLY good and quality links are useful. It could have been useful 1,5-2 years ago, but now they are not even worth the time to build those backlinks!

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sdzh

10 years ago

Kevin
sorry about the misquote, really not sure how that happened... My bad.

Not sure I follow your point "Just look at the top 3 results On-Off page optimization". Could you elaborate?

My point was that Google is a likely to make public how to hit the top spot with Matt Cutts' little broadcasts as Fort Knox is to hand over the keys to the gold vaults.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by sdzh

Kevin
sorry about the misquote, really not sure how that happened... My bad.

Not sure I follow your point "Just look at the top 3 results On-Off page optimization". Could you elaborate?

My point was that Google is a likely to make public how to hit the top spot with Matt Cutts' little broadcasts as Fort Knox is to hand over the keys to the gold vaults.

I shall try my best.

Go to your browser. Search for lets say: Auto Insurance

Now analyze how the site in #1 have optimized their On-page SEO. Google thinks that's the best On-Page SEO for that keyword.

It's now public knowledge thanks to Googles publicly available information.

Now analyze their Off-Page SEO, Inbound links etc.. Google thinks that's the best Off-Page SEO for that keyword.

It's now public knowledge thanks to Googles publicly available information.

That site in spot #1 has successfully manipulated Googles algo to rank #1. Google have given you access to that sites optimization data to analyze and replicate.

Any Better?

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sdzh

10 years ago

Thanks for taking the time to respond.

We are slightly at crossed purposes. My point was that I don't place much weight in what Google publicly announces as "good" or "bad" SEO. It's not in their interest to reveal anything of worth.

Obviously, reverse engineering SERPs offers value, as you demonstrated above.

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fmolina2010 10 years ago
Use naked urls, branded, exact and long tail keywords with your private network blogs. For the other link types, you can play around with it. I like to use exact, phrase, broad, related and naked urls with them.

2 things why spammers build thousands and thousands of links
1. Link Loss - rapidly losing backlinks will drop your rankings, so spammers need to build more new backlinks to compensate
2. Boost Tier 1 Links - they need massive sub-level tiers of backlinks to "boost" the tier 1 links' value
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seococonuts

10 years ago

You could use web 2.0's to do this and build some links to those to give them a boost.

If you want to contextualise the links, try WAC or WordAI and use the articles on these platforms. (I know theres loads of tools like this but those are my favourite)

You can always change or remove these links at a later date if needs be so make sure you have the log-ins.

If you build crappy directory links, the likelihood is a lot will never get indexed anyway so you'd just be wasting your time.

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Slin

10 years ago

Could I just point out that it does depend on your goals. I'm assuming that you're looking for long term results, so I'd agree with the others, that it'd be a bad idea.

But if you're looking for short term results then sure, no problem, go right ahead. I've seen numerous search results where blogs are ranking based off pure spam.

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