Is MajesticSEO trust/citationflow now as/more important than googles PR ?

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Just a quick question I`ve been busy the last few weeks checking out expired domains and even buying afew (thanks to my good friend Kevin) and I`ve noticed that any decent domain with a PR3 or above is pretty dam expensive now I know you have to compare stuff to say somethings expensive but these domains really are commanding quite a price.

Anyway someone who`s been helping me out alot has started me looking more at higher MajesticSEO stats than PR, As I can see plenty of PR3 domains with average majestic stats going for high prices but... I can see some domains with pretty good majestic stats but only PR 1or 2 and these domains go for alot less.

So guys whats your thoughts on PR Vs MajesticSEO ? For your PBN does good Majestic stats out perform PR ?, I know there`s alot of variables but just looking to hear your thoughts

Thanks James
#as or more #googles #important #majesticseo #trust or citationflow
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      That way a few of us can continue picking up steals
      Mike dont be tricky what does that mean lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

        Mike dont be tricky what does that mean lol
        It's not just Majestic Jim, Although the domains I sent you did have good majestic ratings. They also had good Moz ratings, decent PR, remember PR can be dropped if a page falls out of the index or gets 301ed for too long. (which was the case with most of the N/As I sent you. Most had good age, most had decent link profiles (aged).

        I do look at all those metrics combined. Its when they all fit in nicely together is when you find a winner. Letting one single metric such as PR, be the deciding factor, is just madness imo.

        I have bought domains purely based on great social factors. G+ FB likes etc..etc.. Thats me planning for the future.
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        • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          decent PR, remember PR can be dropped if a page falls out of the index or gets 301ed for too long. (which was the case with most of the N/As I sent you. Most had good age, most had decent link profiles (aged).
          Yep I do understand that your looking at other metrics too and I was kinda doing that also but I think its what you wrote above thats made me understand !!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

            Yep I do understand that your looking at other metrics too and I was kinda doing that also but I think its what you wrote above thats made me understand !!
            Well you need to de understand. We cannot have that. Don't listen to Kevin. If what he was saying is true then every domain that went offline long enough before the domain expired would later show a PR N/A because after two months or so it would fall out of the index. There would be hundreds of them with great links (from before they went offline) but the domains would show as not indexed and PR N/As especially if PR was not updated for nearly a year. PR N/As with ton loads of juice?

            Preposterous!!


            Again anyone that tells you its not only about PR is being WRONG








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            • Profile picture of the author jimkirk1943
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              To my wallet.
              LOL ! Why do you keep leaving those tricky final comments lol !!

              Well anyway I do know its all about personal testing, My original thoughts where really does a domain PR 3/4 domain with average MajesticSEO & DA stats beat a PR1/2 with great Majestic & DA stats, and that might not be a great way for putting it but I know you guys will understand where I`m going... or maybe I just need to test and find out for myself lol !! Hope Everyone Had a Great Xmas !!
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                Originally Posted by jimkirk1943 View Post

                LOL ! Why do you keep leaving those tricky final comments lol !!

                Well anyway I do know its all about personal testing, My original thoughts where really does a domain PR 3/4 domain with average MajesticSEO & DA stats beat a PR1/2 with great Majestic & DA stats, and that might not be a great way for putting it but I know you guys will understand where I`m going... or maybe I just need to test and find out for myself lol !! Hope Everyone Had a Great Xmas !!
                Analyze the back links yourself and don't rely too much on stats from external sites.

                Do a little test yourself, go to expireddomains.net, select the deleted .com or .whatever domains, export them based on a few filters so that you're left with a list of let's say 100-150 domains. Run them through Netpeak checker and filter on Majestics Trust Flow and Domain MozRank.

                Now keep the ones with Mozrank 3+ and Trust Flow 15+ and analyze their back links. One might assume that a domain with such stats should be a PR3 right? You'll be heavily surprised that the domains with those stats often only have 1 single PR1 or PR2 back link, which might not even make it a PR1.

                I analyzed about 50 domains myself this way from expireddomains.net so it's not like I'm making this stuff up. No idea why the mozrank and trustflow shows so high for certain in fact very weak domains.

                External site stats should only be used to verify what you thought or to do some heavy pre-filtering as a domain with MozRank 2 for example is much more reliable to know that a domain isn't a PR3 so not really worth it to do further analyzing on those.

                Trust flow from Majestic is a bit less reliable when using as a prefilter, I've seen domains with a TF of 12 with much stronger back link profiles then domains with a TF of 25. Earlier I thought that TF was pretty reliable, but it really is not, only when dealing with higher numbers like TF30 it becomes more reliable but PR3 domains often don't come with such high TF's so it's a bit useless in that range. TF also varies greatly whether you put http://www. in front of the domain so it's worth to check it both ways.
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Analyze the back links yourself and don't rely too much on stats from external sites.

                  Do a little test yourself, go to expireddomains.net, select the deleted .com or .whatever domains, export them based on a few filters so that you're left with a list of let's say 100-150 domains. Run them through Netpeak checker and filter on Majestics Trust Flow and Domain MozRank.

                  Now keep the ones with Mozrank 3+ and Trust Flow 15+ and analyze their back links. One might assume that a domain with such stats should be a PR3 right? You'll be heavily surprised that the domains with those stats often only have 1 single PR1 or PR2 back link, which might not even make it a PR1.

                  I analyzed about 50 domains myself this way from expireddomains.net so it's not like I'm making this stuff up. No idea why the mozrank and trustflow shows so high for certain in fact very weak domains.

                  External site stats should only be used to verify what you thought or to do some heavy pre-filtering as a domain with MozRank 2 for example is much more reliable to know that a domain isn't a PR3 so not really worth it to do further analyzing on those.

                  Trust flow from Majestic is a bit less reliable when using as a prefilter, I've seen domains with a TF of 12 with much stronger back link profiles then domains with a TF of 25. Earlier I thought that TF was pretty reliable, but it really is not, only when dealing with higher numbers like TF30 it becomes more reliable but PR3 domains often don't come with such high TF's so it's a bit useless in that range. TF also varies greatly whether you put http://www. in front of the domain so it's worth to check it both ways.
                  I see your struggling with "Haydens" No worries that was him struggling to write a guide on an idea that wasn't his to begin with Circa 2007

                  Tip: Don't look to the Index to find domains that are not Indexed.

                  The TF is going to reflect a "set" given score per link, could be why your seeing high TF with low PR. As PR would factor in the OBL of the source page and TF would score all OBL equally.

                  Everyone needs to check existing links, that goes without saying. So why people keep saying it idk. But the whole "only take domains with xyz amount of backlinks" is complete nonsense really. You can just as easily have a domain with 1 single PR10 link pointing to it as you can have one with 10000. And I'll take both anyday.
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                    Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                    I see your struggling with "Haydens" No worries that was him struggling to write a guide on an idea that wasn't his to begin with Circa 2007

                    Tip: Don't look to the Index to find domains that are not Indexed.

                    The TF is going to reflect a "set" given score per link, could be why your seeing high TF with low PR. As PR would factor in the OBL of the source page and TF would score all OBL equally.

                    Everyone needs to check existing links, that goes without saying. So why people keep saying it idk. But the whole "only take domains with xyz amount of backlinks" is complete nonsense really. You can just as easily have a domain with 1 single PR10 link pointing to it as you can have one with 10000. And I'll take both anyday.
                    Actually what I described is based on domains that are deleted in the last 24 hours. No idea if it wasn't Haydens method, he was the first to make me aware of it though and I did find some gem's when he just released it, however nowadays the method seems pretty dead, even with foreign domains. Tried to find some from denmark but really couldn't find much.

                    Is that what Majestic says about TF btw?
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  • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
    I trust Ahrefs data more so than Majestic. Even with their "fresh" index the data isn't "fresh". Which means those awesome metrics are also outdated significantly.

    Most people rely on domain and page authority data however I recommend taking a look at the highest quality links from ahrefs first to do some analysis on the domain. Don't just trust majestics citationflow or trustflow as an indicator.
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    PR and majestic have nothing to do with each other.

    Whenever I look for a backlink the domain has to have pr and a good backlink profile on majestic.

    For example a pr 5 with 30 backlinks and 1 refering ip is not very good.

    I use both PR and majestic and a few other tools to determine if it worth getting a link on that website.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
    I have found expired domains with high PRs - one was a 10 and yet in majestic and other sites it showed no back links - How is this even possible? Where does the PR come from?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

      I have found expired domains with high PRs - one was a 10 and yet in majestic and other sites it showed no back links - How is this even possible? Where does the PR come from?
      It's faked. You will NEVER find a real expired PR 10. Ever.
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        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It's faked. You will NEVER find a real expired PR 10. Ever.
        Thats the living truth. A real PR 10 expired domain is just as likely to find as a PR 11
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      • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        It's faked. You will NEVER find a real expired PR 10. Ever.
        Just for interest, here's the PR10 expired domain (according to my PRChecker.info and my Google chrome PR checker: hxxp://www.sparklingfantasy.com

        Like you I don't believe its real but I'm impressed someone's managed it.
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          Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

          Just for interest, here's the PR10 expired domain (according to my PRChecker.info and my Google chrome PR checker: hxxp://www.sparklingfantasy.com

          Like you I don't believe its real but I'm impressed someone's managed it.
          Sure it's fake, they did a redirect over to the addthis.com domain (PR10), waited for a PR update, removed the redirect.

          Easy, fake PR.


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        • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
          Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

          Just for interest, here's the PR10 expired domain (according to my PRChecker.info and my Google chrome PR checker: hxxp://www.sparklingfantasy.com

          Like you I don't believe its real but I'm impressed someone's managed it.
          There's nothing to be impressed really. Its a normal redirect as Yukon explained. Waited for the PR update and then removed redirect. Domain scammers do that all the time.
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    There are a ton of different metrics you should look at.

    - Domain Authority
    - Trust Flow
    - PR
    - Link profile - quality links?
    - Anchor Diversity - is it natural or unnatural?
    - Search domain in Google - does it have site links? If so, generally this is a good indicator that the site has trust and authority
    - Alexa Ranking - does the site actually get traffic?
    - Check Rankings - does the site rank? If not usually a good sign it's a dud or in bad territory.
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  • Profile picture of the author MallofStyle
    Domain authority and trust flow are key.
    A domain authority higher than 40 and trust flow higher than 30 should be good.
    However, for that you also need a decent backlink profile of around 50K at the minimum.
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      Originally Posted by MallofStyle View Post

      Domain authority and trust flow are key.
      A domain authority higher than 40 and trust flow higher than 30 should be good.
      However, for that you also need a decent backlink profile of around 50K at the minimum.
      PR, Domain Authority are the words and a phenomenon that I understand totally and completely. But I have come across the word trust flow first time. What it exactly means and how it affects in site ranking ?
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          I am sorry , I am new to the SEO world and maybe that's why could you elaborate it a bit. Is trust flow is related to the trust percentage of a website?
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            Originally Posted by Fancy Clone View Post

            I am sorry , I am new to the SEO world and maybe that's why could you elaborate it a bit. Is trust flow is related to the trust percentage of a website?
            The Flow Metrics are Majestic's own beauty contest scores. Here's their own sales pitch about them.
            Flow MetricsĀ® will change the way you look at links - Majestic SEO Blog

            I'm new to this, but Majestic's metrics seem quite reasonable. Of course, they're not Google.
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      Originally Posted by MallofStyle View Post

      Domain authority and trust flow are key.

      Yes. Majestic's Trustflow along with Moz's DA are the new gold standard. Much better than pagerank toolbar that updates maybe once a year and then with old data.

      A domain authority higher than 40 and trust flow higher than 30 should be good.
      However, for that you also need a decent backlink profile of around 50K at the minimum.
      Negative - quantity has nothing to do with quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
    How often does Google update its PRs?..
    and, if this sites seen as a PR10, even if its just waiting for Google's next update, could it be used to link from to gain rank? You'd be using (borrowing) the PR that's come from addthis.com
    In a nutshell, does fake PR work until it's discovered?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
      Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

      How often does Google update its PRs?..
      and, if this sites seen as a PR10, even if its just waiting for Google's next update, could it be used to link from to gain rank? You'd be using (borrowing) the PR that's come from addthis.com
      In a nutshell, does fake PR work until it's discovered?
      It doesnt, you can fake the general public but you aint fooling google. To have PR you need backlinks, this domain has one PR2 backlink and others are just worthless crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

      How often does Google update its PRs?..
      and, if this sites seen as a PR10, even if its just waiting for Google's next update, could it be used to link from to gain rank? You'd be using (borrowing) the PR that's come from addthis.com
      In a nutshell, does fake PR work until it's discovered?

      They update PR every day.

      Google is not fooled by this. They do not, nor did they ever see the site as a PR 10. It is just the PR toolbar that gets fooled by this kind of redirect. It's why those stupid PR checkers are worthless.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        They update PR every day.
        Google is not fooled by this.....
        Are you sure they update daily? Some say its months between updates.

        I don't know if Google are quite a clever as everyone gives them credit for.

        Have any of you tried using an expired domain that's carrying a fake PR to boost another site? Did it make any difference?
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by David Black 68 View Post

          Are you sure they update daily? Some say its months between updates.

          I don't know if Google are quite a clever as everyone gives them credit for.

          Have any of you tried using an expired domain that's carrying a fake PR to boost another site? Did it make any difference?

          The toolbar is only updated periodically. All the toolbar provides is a snapshot of what the PR was at a specific time. The actual PR that Google uses updates all the time. You just never can see it.

          Using a fake PR domain to boost another site will not work because the fake domain does not actually have any PR. The toolbar is just reporting incorrect information.
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    Don't forget to look out to see if the site has been penalised by Penguin. You can still get high PR have a back link profile with good domain metrics, but the domain has been hit with a penalty and will probably pass negative juice.
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    Creating a fake PR would actually be the opposite of helping the domain that shows the fake PR.

    Since it's a 301/302 redirect it would forward any real links/PR that it had to the domain with the high PR that they're trying to piggyback on (even If it's only temporary). In this case addthis.com would get more PR/authority since all the links/PR from hxxp://www.sparklingfantasy.com are being redirected. Assumes the fake PR site actually had any real backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Make Money Ninja
    Im a fan of looking at trust flow metrics. If a site has high authority and low trust, i almost always avoid it, sure sign it has loads of crappy links pointing at it.

    I use it in conjunction with a lot of other metrics obviously.
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    I would go more off of TR/CF then googles PR now days... although they both can be used to analyze two different things. PR doesnt mean much now days unless you are selling a site or looking to get links from a domain.... but i always check TR/CF for both of those anyway.
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