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On Site SEO question (Very easy for you i'm sure!)

by Dirty380s
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I have 30 or so articles written on specific key words.

When I am adding the page title I have a quick question...

Lets say the Keyword I am targeting is "how to make pancakes"

Instead of putting my article title as "4 steps on how to make pancakes" which is boring and seems over optimized, can I do "The Finest How To Guide On How To Make Fluffy Pancakes"?

I guess my real question is, my keyword is spread out throughout the title in example # 2. Does that still count as good onsite SEO in my page title?
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

    I have 30 or so articles written on specific key words.

    When I am adding the page title I have a quick question...

    Lets say the Keyword I am targeting is "how to make pancakes"

    Instead of putting my article title as "4 steps on how to make pancakes" which is boring and seems over optimized, can I do "The Finest How To Guide On How To Make Fluffy Pancakes"?

    I guess my real question is, my keyword is spread out throughout the title in example # 2. Does that still count as good onsite SEO in my page title?
    The Finest How to Guide on How to Make Fluffy Pancakes doesn't sound catchy at all either.

    Nor does it make sense.

    I'd try to be a bit more creative than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dirty380s
    LOL, man you are missing my question. I wasn't trying to be creative. I was simply asking if having my keywords spread out throughout the title is the same as blatantly stringing them together?
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

      LOL, man you are missing my question. I wasn't trying to be creative. I was simply asking if having my keywords spread out throughout the title is the same as blatantly stringing them together?
      Oh is that what you meant? Okay cool.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

      LOL, man you are missing my question. I wasn't trying to be creative. I was simply asking if having my keywords spread out throughout the title is the same as blatantly stringing them together?
      But in a serious note, maybe I shouldn't have used the word "creative" but in all serious, don't focus too much on "how am I going to add this keyword in the title."

      But as one of the poster said, OUTSIDE of SEO, you want people to CLICK on the article, which goes to me saying "creative" so that it compels the reader.

      If a reader saw your title like the example you gave then who gives a rats s*(@# about what ranking it is if bounce rate is going to be high or if people aren't even going to read it with that title

      I get your question. But I'm going a little bit more than just your question if that makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

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    Lets say the Keyword I am targeting is "how to make pancakes"

    Instead of putting my article title as "4 steps on how to make pancakes" which is boring and seems over optimized, can I do "The Finest How To Guide On How To Make Fluffy Pancakes"?

    I guess my real question is, my keyword is spread out throughout the title in example # 2. Does that still count as good onsite SEO in my page title?
    From an on-site SEO point of view, I would go with "4 steps on how to make pancakes". You could certainly use "The Finest How To Guide On How To Make Fluffy Pancakes"? as the meta description tag to encourage click-throughs.
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    So what is all this I am reading about being "over optimized"?..like having my url, page title etc all matching perfectly. Is this typical google BS?
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    • Profile picture of the author squadron
      Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

      So what is all this I am reading about being "over optimized"?..like having my url, page title etc all matching perfectly. Is this typical google BS?
      I do not believe that having the term in the title and url as being over-optimized.

      If you had it in the title, description, H1, H2's, image alt text, image file name and repeated it 20 times in the article, then that could be seen as over-optimized
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    • Profile picture of the author run
      Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

      So what is all this I am reading about being "over optimized"?..like having my url, page title etc all matching perfectly. Is this typical google BS?
      Google's not BS. As long as your content is unique and provide very helpful, informational and much value to the readers, they will count this as well optimize to let them know the well targeted source of information rich content to provide the better user experience to their searchers (I guess so but who know what's the thought behind their system!).
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      Originally Posted by Dirty380s View Post

      So what is all this I am reading about being "over optimized"?..like having my url, page title etc all matching perfectly. Is this typical google BS?
      Here's the on-page basics I use for my keyword.
      • Page title
      • One H tag
      • Image alt-text
      • One keyword anchor-text
      • At least once as plain text someplace in the content

      Those positions don't always have to be exact match keywords, keyword variations are fine.

      Over optimized web pages is stuff like counting words on the page, look around this forum you'll see knuckleheads talking about junk like keyword density (fail).

      The page title having the keywords separated with other text isn't a big deal but you'll need to compensate with other things, maybe stronger links, maybe more internal pages with the exact keyword phrase linking to the page your trying to rank.

      It's easier to rank a small group of same subject pages (internal links/pages) than a single page all by itself.
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    I didn't say google was BS. I said their propaganda can be BS
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  • Profile picture of the author tcrews
    I tried to be more creative with my title once, it definitely improved my ctr in Google SERP. I think Google likes that too. Go with whatever you feel comfortable with. From my experience, I didn't find any evidence to suggest that a longer title ranks lower than a keyword-stuffed, keyword-dense title.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMdeaming
    I'd try to get it in at the beginning, something along the lines of:

    How to make pancakes even your grandmother would kill for...
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by IMdeaming View Post

      I'd try to get it in at the beginning, something along the lines of:

      How to make pancakes even your grandmother would kill for...
      "How to kill your Grandmother, with some simple to make Pancakes"
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