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Multiple Hosting Accounts With Same Company...

by dreamtoreality
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I'm running out of new, cheap hosting accounts. Therefore, say that I already use a shared web hosting service with Bluehost, is it okay to purchase another shared service? Anything I should know in regards to footprints for a PR network, or is it the same concept as using a different host?
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    All that really matters is the quality or lack thereof of the host, I would spread it around, just to be diversified.

    I've been switching to cloudflare to improve page load, so the IP diversification that has been bandied about, and somewhat discredited, is gone since all the sites resolve to cloudflare IP's.
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

      and somewhat discredited,.
      Try "entirely discredited". Even Google itself was telling folks this was nonsense back in 2002. Yet, here we are, some 12 years later, and the myth won't die. As more things come out -- especially IPv6 and CloudFlare -- this seems even more silly.

      Find a good host, the end, The "diversification" stuff is all BS.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

        Try "entirely discredited". Even Google itself was telling folks this was nonsense back in 2002. Yet, here we are, some 12 years later, and the myth won't die. As more things come out -- especially IPv6 and CloudFlare -- this seems even more silly.

        Find a good host, the end, The "diversification" stuff is all BS.
        I didn't want to start a war, but I can't see not using CloudFlare, if just to cut down on bandwidth, and that essentially masks the IP, so even for those still embracing the myth, and those making BIG $$$ selling hosting based on it, the jig is up, or should be
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

          I didn't want to start a war, but I can't see not using CloudFlare, if just to cut down on bandwidth, and that essentially masks the IP, so even for those still embracing the myth, and those making BIG $$$ selling hosting based on it, the jig is up, or should be
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          The jig has been up on SEO hosting for about a year and a half however I might have it wrong but to my understanding Cloudfare does not completely mask you. There are ways around it . Safest thing for doing networks etc is not to hide that you are on the same box but to not be on the same box to begin with
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        • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
          Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

          I didn't want to start a war, but I can't see not using CloudFlare, if just to cut down on bandwidth, and that essentially masks the IP, so even for those still embracing the myth, and those making BIG $$$ selling hosting based on it, the jig is up, or should be
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          There are still some holdouts with their head in the sand (up their a--), refusing to believe this.

          ... even though Google said it didn't matter 10+ years ago
          ... that the use of vhosts means such nonsense would affect honest sites
          ... that the use of newer tech like CloudFlare and IPv6 makes it look completely antiquated.

          They can repeat it all they want ... but it's not true.

          What I always find amusing is that these people are fixed on IP addresses. If you asked what an ASN was, you'd get a hearty "duh" because they don't really understand IP at all. (And now all the goobers will go to Wikipedia, trying to learn what a ASN is. Then they'll make up some other BS to explain this, and post here why I'm wrong and they're right.)

          Ah, WF. What a funny place!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

            There are still some holdouts with their head in the sand (up their a--), refusing to believe this.

            ... even though Google said it didn't matter 10+ years ago
            A) There are precious few people who go on about IP . What they go on about is not having your network domains on the same box for the security of the network.
            b) It has absolutely nothing to do with what Google says works or does not work for the algo. NO ONE claims its a factor in the algo. You've been told this countless times but just can't get it

            Congratulations! You just proved MikeF's point. You continue to be TOTALLY clueless on the issues involved and the only one with their "head up their a==" to use your unsophisticated vernacular. The accuser is found guilty of his own accusation.

            Google WILL penalize and has penalized seo network sites. To deny that is just being brain dead. As for whats an honest site?

            A) no one need be lectured in honesty from a site owner that hid
            (by code) in his unbiased hosting list that he is an affiliate for everyone of them (and includes poor hosts in said lists).

            B) On what planet have honest business owners never bought other companies and used the assets of those other businesses? Further there has never been a form of advertising where paying money to get exposure was dishonest and Google takes the cake because they SELL the top three positions in the organic serps column totally violating their own mantra of not manipulating the search experience of their users for nothing else but hard cold cash. Violating a companies guidelines when they themselves do not adhere to their guidelines is dishonest only to the brainwashed.


            Sorry you did some reading on internet protocols and technology (even teen boppers are hosts these days - its not rocket science) but you cannot think worth a lick. You are like a one trick pony. If its not the evils of EIG or showing cluelessness on whats really behind IP discussions you have nothing to offer. So keep running around saying everyone here has their heads up their a--. We know the view from where your head is at makes it impossible for you to know.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

        Find a good host, the end, The "diversification" stuff is all BS.
        You still just do not get it. It is not about some diversification. It is not for any benefit to SEO. People do not want a bunch of sites on the same IP address because they do not want them to be easily tied together and identified as related.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          You still just do not get it. .
          Its hopeless Mike. Neither he nor his partner in the look at us we are hosting experts click our sig strategy will ever get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

    I'm running out of new, cheap hosting accounts. Therefore, say that I already use a shared web hosting service with Bluehost, is it okay to purchase another shared service? Anything I should know in regards to footprints for a PR network, or is it the same concept as using a different host?
    I have 6 accounts with Hostgator, 4 accounts with GoDaddy and so on.

    Why? Cause they host the most sites on the web so it's only natural to have more links coming from sites that are hosted there.

    There servers fill up quickly, you just shouldn't buy them all in a week time, just keep 1-2 months in between to make sure you have a truly unique IP and not just the last 2-3 digits differently
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  • Profile picture of the author The SEO
    If you setup instant account then it will create a problem for you, just make all procedure organic as nik0 said above, time management is more important factor in this case.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rehmat
    Unique IP is still effective. CloudFlare over main domain isn't a good idea if you are using unique IP for it. I'd prefer to use a CDN on any sub-domain instead of setting up CloudFlare or CloudFront on main URL.
    Regarding with hosting multiple sites under single account for SEO purpose, HostMonster's standard VPS plan may be a good choice where you need to pay $30 per month ($14 for first month) for 30GB storage and 1TB bandwidth. You can purchase as many unique IPs as you need for additional $2/IP/month. So if you are serious about the NETWORK, go for it. It will surely produce good results.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    It is not for any benefit to SEO.
    they do not want them to be easily tied together and identified as related.
    I understand this. But there are many ways to see relationships online. All this affects is IP reputation anyway. However, if your reputation is fine, you don't need 123456789 IP addresses.

    I can understand the desire to, for example, not have porn on IPs shared with a comic book website trafficked by kids. Although, these days, it doesn't matter as much, given how most everything is domain-based. Even SSL is moving to SNI.

    Not to mention something like CloudFlare doesn't discriminate. Nor do many hosts.

    It's a valid reason, yes.
    But a valid reason to have lots of IP addresses? No.

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    Sometimes I feel like I'm speaking with Mojo Jojo.
    - Somebody insists A is not the reason.
    - The real reason is B.
    - But here's the thing .... A and B are the same reasoning. It's often just semantics.

    This happens too often on this subject.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post


      It's a valid reason, yes.
      But a valid reason to have lots of IP addresses? No.
      The only freaking problem is that the only people in this thread arguing about lots of IP addresses is the person who always wants to argue about IPs and the person that claimed that they didn't want to start an argument about IPs.

      to both of you ....look up at the thread title, read it and the the OP and tell us where he mentions IPs. :rolleyes:. If it isn't about IPs and EIG what you got? I could have sworn he was talking about footprints. Swing high or swing low having all your sites on one box is a footprint and again to my knowledge Cloudfare is not 100% guaranteed to hide being on the same box. How else to get it through to you we do not know but not being on the same box is not synonymous with IP. Give my regards to Mojo jojo.

      This happens too often on this subject.
      Oh the irony
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      • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        tell us where he mentions IPs.
        footprints for a PR network
        IP addresses = "footprints". What else could it be? "Multiple hosts" is a modern synonym for "IP addresses" among the affiliate crowd that still believes in antiquated "SEO" methods. If not IP, name one "footprint" that is caused by having single hosts as opposed to multi hosts.

        You're playing semantics as far as I'm concerned.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

          IP addresses = "footprints". What else could it be? "Multiple hosts" is a modern synonym for "IP addresses" among the affiliate crowd that still believes in antiquated "SEO" methods. If not IP, name one "footprint" that is caused by having single hosts as opposed to multi hosts.

          You're playing semantics as far as I'm concerned.
          Dude you are totally clueless. I have no more time for you. Just the fact that you consider private SEO networks to be antiquated and no longer working is enough for anybody to see you know nothing about SEO in the real world. The other bit of ignorance for an encore is that you think everyone that uses SEO networks or discusses them is in the "Affiliate crowd" :rolleyes: (lawyers, real estate, businesses of all kinds that you are obviously totally unaware of)

          Once again IP address is not synonymous with footprints (apparently you don't understand plurals either or you would realize plural does not refer to only one thing). You can have twenty different IP addresses on the same box and it still be a footprint because its not just an issue of having different Ip addresses - they can still be tracked to the same box. Therefore as a logical construct different IP addresses cannot be synonymous with multi hosting (I know this will just go right over your head)

          Sigh...anyway.... ..total waste of time. Ride on with the nonsense. This is my last post in this thread. You have already proven mine and MikeF's point. Word to the wise, so you probably will not take it, don't come into a thread telling people "they have their heads up their a.." when you don't know what you are talking about.

          You make yourself look like a fool that way.
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  • Profile picture of the author humbledmarket
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    Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

    I'm running out of new, cheap hosting accounts. Therefore, say that I already use a shared web hosting service with Bluehost, is it okay to purchase another shared service? Anything I should know in regards to footprints for a PR network, or is it the same concept as using a different host?
    I'd suggest you might want to purchase it from a different host in this case. BlueHost is runned by EIG and I'm not going to go into the whole EIG thing through it's best to diversify your web hosting if possible so if one goes down it doesn't mean all your sites do.
    Don't worry too much about the footprints and PR network for the most part; many people are using shared hosting. Unless you're doing something questionable, it shouldn't be any issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author bunnyadam
    not a good idea to host all sites at single place for a number of reasons. If your host is down all your business websites are down. If your IP got black listed because of a bad neighboring website, you have to bear it etc...
    Having your website at different hosts is beneficial, no single point of failure, diverse non related links are still a better option..
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