Great Tip For People Selling SEO Services

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Just browsing hxxp://source-wave.com/alex-becker-webinar as I got bored a bit and just picked up a great tip from his 2 hour webinar.

In short:

If you want high paying clients you need to present yourself as an expert in that niche, and not just by saying, nope you build a SEO selling website around that niche, tailor your other promotional materials towards that niche and there you go.

When they find you or you contact them who are they going to go with? Some random site or someone who appears as the expert for that specific niche?

Thanks Alex, I am going to launch a few dozen SEO niche sites soon

It's a great idea, it was SEODollz who I noticed took that edge and it is a really smart approach.

Sometimes something good does roll out of JB

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

It's a great idea, it was SEODollz who I noticed took that edge and it is a really smart approach.

Sometimes something good does roll out of JB

There is a big difference though.

SEODollz really is an expert in her chosen niche. If you talk to her, she knows her market inside and out. Not just for SEO either.

What Becker is talking about and what Nik0 is planning to do is pretending you are in an expert in something you really are not an expert in. It's the old 'fake it until you make it' crap, but at the expense of real business owners.

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted online all too often.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

There is a big difference though.

SEODollz really is an expert in her chosen niche. If you talk to her, she knows her market inside and out. Not just for SEO either.

What Becker is talking about and what Nik0 is planning to do is pretending you are in an expert in something you really are not an expert in. It's the old 'fake it until you make it' crap, but at the expense of real business owners.

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted online all too often.

I'm nicer than you are, ha, ha.

I deleted my comment about the professional 15 year old sailor talk.

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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

There is a big difference though.

SEODollz really is an expert in her chosen niche. If you talk to her, she knows her market inside and out. Not just for SEO either.

What Becker is talking about and what Nik0 is planning to do is pretending you are in an expert in something you really are not an expert in. It's the old 'fake it until you make it' crap, but at the expense of real business owners.

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted online all too often.

Aha I see. I'm watching this video now (bored). So your saying SEODollz is a really good scrubber? Get your flack jacket on.

I was thinking more like she does, but more from a point say in a market you had previous success in or some shit like that.

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MikeFriedman 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Aha I see. I'm watching this video now (bored). So your saying SEODollz is a really good scrubber? Get your flack jacket on.

She could scrub a turd into a diamond.
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Aha I see. I'm watching this video now (bored). So your saying SEODollz is a really good scrubber? Get your flack jacket on.

I was thinking more like she does, but more from a point say in a market you had previous success in or some shit like that.

How good are you at mowing yards, lmao (j/k)?

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attorneydavid 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted online all too often.

Here corrected that for you.

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted -everywhere- all too often
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  This would be my plan:
  
  - get a website theme adjusted for the niche
  - join some Facebook groups in that niche
  - target them with ads
  - obvious rank my SEO site for the terms in at least the top 3 as proof
  - setup some fake local site in a medium/large city in the US and rank that in the top 3 as well.
  - add some local listings that I also rank in the top 10 to show some niche domination
  - try to find high PR domains in that niche or repurpose other expired domains for that niche so that the links are as niche relevant as I can get them
  - offer guaranteed rankings
  
  Well there's the proof then, I ain't focusing on $10k/month clients like Becker is suggesting, just somewhere around $500-1000/month is fine with me, that gives me a bit of a larger budget then normally to guarantee results faster.
  
  Obvious it all depends on how many clients I can hook in such niche.
  
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The SEO

11 years ago

Its sounds great, where you sell these micro niche sites?

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by The SEO

Its sounds great, where you sell these micro niche sites?

Not planning to sell them, just rank them and promote them with Facebook ads.
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SEODollz

11 years ago

Thanks fellas

Seriously though, re: this video... if you are going to specialize you should be bringing more to the table than just the same SEO you do for anybody else. You had better bet that whatever industry niche you choose you won't be the first person to target it, expect to be up against people that started out working in that industry and then learned SEO along the way. Those people have the benefit of firsthand experience, they understand the specific challenges your would-be clients are facing plus they already have built-in common ground with their fellow business owners in that niche. Hopefully you are a better SEO than them, because that is one area that you could have an advantage. But think how powerful it is for a fellow business owner to say to his peer: "I know this marketing strategy can work for you because it works for me in my business and here is the proof." Not only do these guys learn SEO but they tend to offer a broader range of marketing solutions that are tailored to their industry including offline strategies and even things like customer retention strategies. So to wrap it up, you VS them:

They have a better understanding of their industry than you do.
They have more industry contacts than you do.
They have instant "street credibility" (and you won't.)
They probably have more comprehensive marketing solutions than just SEO.. AND they have the perfect opportunity to test them and show the results.

And you...? Well, you are hopefully good at SEO.

Is it impossible? Of course not. But it takes lots of research, testing and outreach to become the guru of (industry niche here) SEO and marketing. Just my two cents.

Edit: And no, for the record I've never owned a cleaning business, I don't even clean my own house. Shout out to my housekeeper Yasmira, thanks for the clean clothes, you are the bomb!

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Thanks fellas

WHAT THE???? Call ABC, CBS and Fox. Evidence of the first human chameleon - Cause that doesn't look anything like you

or is it that I can't recognize videos of you without the finger?

Anyway If it were you it would be a testament to how better a girl can look when she lays of the tequila and rum breakfast treats :rolleyes:. Your clients couldn't do a better clean up job - just saying

lol /jk... She aint all that.
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Adreamcreation

11 years ago

Yeah @nik0 you are absolutely right. If you want to get high paying client then you must show yourself expert style strategy. You made a nice plan but missed about google plus community.

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11 years ago

Yes you have to show proof in each niche that you have ranked other businesses. This is a must. And a lot of work. Goodluck

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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

2 hour webinar! What a horror show

There has got to be something better to do than that.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

There is a big difference though.

SEODollz really is an expert in her chosen niche. .

Its a solid approach but what I don't get is why this is anything new or revolutionary. I must be missing something. SEOs have chosen for years to specialize in a niche - for lawyers, Dentists even geography is a part of that thinking. It comes pretty naturally when you work with businesses. Related businesses (albeit not direct competition) will seek you out through referrals.

From there you see the money in it and market yourself accordingly.

Typical douchebag marketing you find promoted online all too often.

Thats the thing about you I like Mike (besides the extraordinary first name) you are always so diplomatic. You never tell us exactly how you fell about things. lol

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2 hour webinar! What a horror show

There has got to be something better to do than that.

It took a while (years) but we finally agree on something

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Its a solid approach but what I don't get is why this is anything new or revolutionary. I must be missing something. SEOs have chosen for years to specialize in a niche - for lawyers, Dentists even geography is a part of that thinking. It comes pretty naturally when you work with businesses. Related businesses (albeit not direct competition) will seek you out through referrals.

It's nothing new indeed, I saw it with my first wedding photographer client who pointed it out to me about 2 years ago but it's good to get reminded some times.

What they did was real simple, they just added a link page to each client and thus all the clients ranked each other, he has close to a hundred wedding photographers by now in this portfolio.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

It's nothing new indeed, I saw it with my first wedding photographer client who pointed it out to me about 2 years ago but it's good to get reminded some times.

What they did was real simple, they just added a link page to each client and thus all the clients ranked each other, he has close to a hundred wedding photographers by now in this portfolio.

I've seen that done for real estate sites, the guy doing all the SEO work has all his clients building links, that makes for tough competition since every single site is focused on one niche. The more clients he gets over the years, the stronger his network gets.

Web developers do similar things only they usually point the links back to their own site.

Example:
web design services "houston" intitle:"portfolio"

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Web developers do similar things only they usually point the links back to their own site.

Example:
web design services "houston" intitle:"portfolio"

Actually that's one great way to mask a private network, just pretending to be their web designer.

Going to start a thread on it's own to get more idea's.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Actually that's one great way to mask a private network, just pretending to be their web designer.

Going to start a thread on it's own to get more idea's.

Lol, that's funny, using a portfolio to mask a PBN.

...in that case, you could use any subject that sells a service. Just about every service niche brags about their clients trying to generate more business (portfolio), they're basically referrals without actually having referrals.

I can see it now, nik0 has all kinds of different businesses, he paints houses, has mobile oil rig repair shops, has a string of snow plow trucks in Fargo, ND, etc...

Classic.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Lol, that's funny, using a portfolio to mask a PBN.

...in that case, you could use any subject that sells a service. Just about every service niche brags about their clients trying to generate more business (portfolio), they're basically referrals without actually having referrals.

I can see it now, nik0 has all kinds of different businesses, he paints houses, has mobile oil rig repair shops, has a string of snow plow trucks in Fargo, ND, etc...

Classic.

Not yet, the house painting etc businesses will be coming in the near future, as long as there is enough demand.

Till then a web designer portfolio is a great thing to add to my current arsenal.

Thanks!

ps: In the end it's all about ranking websites as safe as possible for the money, nothing else matters.

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anoopsparx

11 years ago

Hi nik0

Thanks for sharing great tips and it's really helpful. i am working an internet marketing company and responsible for lead generation.

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Ben Acharyaa

11 years ago

I received an email from Neil Patel last week and this is what he wrote:

I want to tell you a story about a guy we'll call Bob...

Now Bob understood how to create a product really easy to and make some quick cash sales.

And like many people, he knew he could do this pretty fast in the online marketing niche...

...Even if he has NO CLUE what he's talking about.

See, Bob is just doing the old "Fake it till you make it" act becoming a self-proclaimed "Guru".

Anyhow, Bob goes to the local "marketing" website and buys a handful of articles and e-books about traffic.

Then, he pays someone (dirt cheap) to re-write and compile everything, and to create a new e-cover.

Voila! A brand new product to sell to unsuspecting suckers in the marketing forums...

And they eat it up big time, making Bob a handsome profit.

My friend, Bob and others like him, are bleeding you dry.

It would be one thing if what Bob was selling actually worked. But when it comes to traffic systems, what Bob did was screw good people with bad information.

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa

I received an email from Neil Patel last week and this is what he wrote:

Pretty much sums up the WSO section here.
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa

I received an email from Neil Patel last week and this is what he wrote:

I've seen him do the exact same thing as his buddy Bob. :rolleyes:

He's pulling a classic sales tactic with that email. Create a bad situation, then position himself as the good guy. Obviously his followers will flock to him with praise. That sales trick has been around for decades, long before the internet existed.

Most of his blog tips are compilations of rehashed content.

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Ben Acharyaa

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I've seen him do the exact same thing as his buddy Bob. :rolleyes:

He's pulling a classic sales tactic with that email. Create a bad situation, then position himself as the good guy. Obviously his followers will flock to him with praise. That sales trick has been around for decades, long before the internet existed.

Most of his blog tips are compilations of rehashed content.

I think you havent seen this

OR this

And this

The guy has awesome testimonials and proven track record to back him up. This is not some random local business or the kind of stuff Alex Becker is talking about. We're talking about Amazon, Ebay, NBC, Microsoft, techcrunch etc etc.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa

I think you havent seen this

The guy has awesome testimonials and proven track record to back him up. This is not some random local business or the kind of stuff Alex Becker is talking about. We're talking about Amazon, Ebay, NBC, Microsoft, techcrunch etc etc.

Don't you think it's kind of odd how he has to toot his own horn so much? What's with all the desperate pop-ups on his site? I think one of the pages had 2-3 pop-ups. Looks like a desperate IM idea or throwback from a cheesy CB squeeze page.

If he actually has these types of clients, why bother with anyone else, why spam out the site with non-stop pop ups? Are these huge clients opting into those pop-ups (doubtful)?

I'm not doubting his claims, wouldn't matter either way, it just doesn't look like something someone with huge clients would do.

He still played that email story as the good guy to win over subscribers ($$), old school sales tactic. He pulled a Bob, lol.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Don't you think it's kind of odd how he has to toot his own horn so much? What's with all the desperate pop-ups on his site? I think one of the pages had 2-3 pop-ups. Looks like a desperate IM idea or throwback from a cheesy CB squeeze page.

If he actually has these types of clients, why bother with anyone else, why spam out the site with non-stop pop ups? Are these huge clients opting into those pop-ups (doubtful)?

I'm not doubting his claims, wouldn't matter either way, it just doesn't look like something someone with huge clients would do.

He still played that email story as the good guy to win over subscribers ($$), old school sales tactic. He pulled a Bob, lol.

Exactly what I don't get about the whole story. If you're such a high end professional then all the huge companies would stand in line.

Instead he bothers to answer my request to do the marketing for my site and then emails back that my $5000/month budget is too small for them and he sends me over to his other partly family owned business.

I get in contact with them and ask what they can do for me and they give some comments about making my pages more media rich (yes back then not a single blog page had an image attached) but come on. For $5k/month some better web content with images etc is all they can come up with. Sure he won't outline the complete plan but I would expect a little more explanation then that for $5k/month.

As about those popups / free guides / eBooks, he admits in some posts that that's his business strategy, selling leads to his brother or nephew or which ever Patel that runs the ship there and only taking on the big fishes him self.

Nothing to complain about his blog posts, he has quite a few things to say where I get an "aha" moment although more a reminder feeling then that it's truly ground breaking. Same like you say, he once wrote a blog posts about getting idea's what to write about and a strategy how to pick popular posts, he probably does the same him self and again nothing wrong with that but the services are imo definitely over hyped.

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pizzacashmon3y

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Exactly what I don't get about the whole story. If you're such a high end professional then all the huge companies would stand in line.

Instead he bothers to answer my request to do the marketing for my site and then emails back that my $5000/month budget is too small for them and he sends me over to his other partly family owned business.

I get in contact with them and ask what they can do for me and they give some comments about making my pages more media rich (yes back then not a single blog page had an image attached) but come on. For $5k/month some better web content with images etc is all they can come up with. Sure he won't outline the complete plan but I would expect a little more explanation then that for $5k/month.

As about those popups / free guides / eBooks, he admits in some posts that that's his business strategy, selling leads to his brother or nephew or which ever Patel that runs the ship there and only taking on the big fishes him self.

Nothing to complain about his blog posts, he has quite a few things to say where I get an "aha" moment although more a reminder feeling then that it's truly ground breaking. Same like you say, he once wrote a blog posts about getting idea's what to write about and a strategy how to pick popular posts, he probably does the same him self and again nothing wrong with that but the services are imo definitely over hyped.

lol $5k a month for images what a joke hahaha

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

I get in contact with them and ask what they can do for me and they give some comments about making my pages more media rich (yes back then not a single blog page had an image attached) but come on. For $5k/month some better web content with images etc is all they can come up with. Sure he won't outline the complete plan but I would expect a little more explanation then that for $5k/month.

Sorry Nik but I think they gave you the perfect answer. I hate when SEOs try to do what you were doing and I sometimes give them vague answers just like that. I wouldn't have given much more. You were fishing for some free tips not a real potential customer and usually you can smell those people out within a few minutes.

So you failed to get a free consultation. Thats good on them. Unless you really want to tell us (as someone who offers SEOs to others) that you wanted or needed someone else to do your SEO work at $5,000 per month.

As a professional rule I don't go to other SEOs just to pick their brains. I go do my research myself. Neil has nothing to be embarrassed about in that situation.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry Nik but I think they gave you the perfect answer. I hate when SEOs try to do what you were doing and I sometimes give them vague answers just like that. I wouldn't have given much more. You were fishing for some free tips not a real potential customer and usually you can smell those people out within a few minutes.

So you failed to get a free consultation. Thats good on them. Unless you really want to tell us (as someone who offers SEOs to others) that you wanted or needed someone else to do your SEO work at $5,000 per month.

As a professional rule I don't go to other SEOs just to pick their brains. I go do my research myself. Neil has nothing to be embarrassed about in that situation.

Neil said multiple times that he was looking to pick someone to work together with so I applied. Then I get an answer that I wouldn't be the right match cause the budget would be too low and some other crap and he forwards me to his brothers/nephews company who contacted me, however I wasn't interested in that but they kept on emailing over and over so one day I decided to ask what they could do for me and then I got that vague answer.

Had nothing to do with fishing.

Why I wouldn't mind spending $5k/month on Neil Patel, I thought maybe he has something ground breaking like getting me featured at some large sites and other unique ways of extra promotion through his contacts or something.

I was definitely NOT interested to spend $5k/month just on some basic SEO like onpage optimization or links from some private network cause I can take care of that myself.

The white hat thing is what attracted me, that's it.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Neil said multiple times that he was looking to pick someone to work together with so I applied. Then I get an answer that I wouldn't be the right match cause the budget would be too low and some other crap and he forwards me to his brothers/nephews company who contacted me, however I wasn't interested in that but they kept on emailing over and over so one day I decided to ask what they could do for me and then I got that vague answer.

Had nothing to do with fishing.

Not buying it. Sorry. Niko looking to just rank his site with another SEO charging $5000/month?. The same Nik0 who cries every SEO charging more than $200 is jusrt short of a rip off artist? Nah I aint buying that brooklyn bridge.

Why I wouldn't mind spending $5k/month on Neil Patel, I thought maybe he has something ground breaking like getting me featured at some large sites and other unique ways of extra promotion through his contacts or something..

See just like I said. you were not interested in working with him for SEO. Prove me wrong . i'll fess up. Where did he request a SEO to step forward just so he could promote their SEO "through his contacts"

at any rate by the time he handed you off (which he has all right to do - its his time and his offer) you knew pretty much you were not going to be spending the money. You are a marketer. You know how to tell someone to stop spamming you. I get offers from other SEOs all the time and know I am not going to spend $5,000 a month so i don't engage either their or my time.

Fishing expedition nothing else.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Not buying it. Sorry. Niko looking to just rank his site with another SEO charging $5000/month?. The same Nik0 who cries every SEO charging more than $200 is jusrt short of a rip off artist? Nah I aint buying that brooklyn bridge.

See just like I said. you were not interested in working with him for SEO. Prove me wrong . i'll fess up. Where did he request a SEO to step forward just so he could promote their SEO "through his contacts"

at any rate by the time he handed you off (which he has all right to do - its his time and his offer) you knew pretty much you were not going to be spending the money. You are a marketer. You know how to tell someone to stop spamming you. I get offers from other SEOs all the time and know I am not going to spend $5,000 a month so i don't engage either their or my time.

Fishing expedition nothing else.

Up to what you think I care less. Matter of fact is that I would've spend it on Neil Patel. Matter of fact is also that I would not have spend it on the sister company so there the fishing might apply a bit.

Actually my plan was a little different, I figured perhaps if we worked together he could pass on the real low budget clients to me

The part I bolded makes sense yes.

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hipeopo02

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

If you want high paying clients you need to present yourself as an expert in that niche

Bad idea when you get caught lying because real experts can spot fake ones.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

Bad idea when you get caught lying because real experts can spot fake ones.

That's funny because I know a guy that owns an offline business that has been doing web design & similar services for years, they also advertise they do SEO yet they can't rank their own site for their target keywords. The guy still makes big money with major brand business (ex: Lowes, colleges, etc...).

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hipeopo02

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That's funny because I know a guy that owns an offline business that has been doing web design & similar services for years, they also advertise they do SEO yet they can't rank their own site for their target keywords. The guy still makes big money with major brand business (ex: Lowes, colleges, etc...).

Doing what?

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

Doing what?

TV commercials, corporate/educational training videos.
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  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  TV commercials, corporate/educational training videos.
  
  Those things have value so that helps. Trying to sell SEO is another story because most people in the biz can't even decide on what the **** SEO is in the first place When you could link spam it was link spam when it was page spam with doorway pages it was page spam with doorway pages but was still "SEO" to the customer which meant their 17 page generic crap business website would get ranked
  
  Your best bet on selling SEO is to actually study up on the business owner. Honestly? most business owners don't have complicated business' they are resellers in a lot of cases. You could learn about their products and services online in a day and not be too far from an "expert" and see what gets attention in their industry right now.
  
  At least when you know something about their business that the average person doesn't they will be a little bit more trusting when you go into your SEO sales speech hahaha....
  
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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

Bad idea when you get caught lying because real experts can spot fake ones.

What's there to lie about? If I focus on a certain niche and say we are an expert in ranking that niche, and I rank them as promised with a network tailored towards that niche.

I don't see why that would cause issue's.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

What's there to lie about? If I focus on a certain niche and say we are an expert in ranking that niche, and I rank them as promised with a network tailored towards that niche.

I don't see why that would cause issue's.

IMO it's no big deal as long as you deliver what you say you'll deliver. All the client cares about is ranking pages & making sales.

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

IMO it's no big deal as long as you deliver what you say you'll deliver. All the client cares about is ranking pages & making sales.

That's probably the key point yes, clients pay more so they also need to get more for the money and a guarantee would work out well for that.

I used to offer a free trial and was quite picky who I chose cause of the risk of pre-existing penalties. I got it right about 9 out of 10 times so the contract should have some refund policy or back up plan out lined in case it doesn't work out as expected.
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SEODollz

11 years ago

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to call BS, not on yukon but seriously nik0 you are not impressed with Neil Patel? I say credit where credit is due. His tutorial on crawlable ajax was amazing, in fact I'm not too proud to say that quite a few parts of his "Advanced Guide to SEO" have changed the way I've implemented certain things in my own business. The man knows what he's doing, you say "back then" so are we not talking currently because I think if we all look over our shoulders we'll see that we've come a long way.

I feel like in this industry there is so much macho posturing that nobody can say "Hey this guy is really good at what he does" because we all want to hurry up and say he's not. Where is the love boys??

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to call BS, not on yukon but seriously nik0 you are not impressed with Neil Patel? I say credit where credit is due. His tutorial on crawlable ajax was amazing, in fact I'm not too proud to say that quite a few parts of his "Advanced Guide to SEO" have changed the way I've implemented certain things in my own business. The man knows what he's doing, you say "back then" so are we not talking currently because I think if we all look over our shoulders we'll see that we've come a long way.

I feel like in this industry there is so much macho posturing that nobody can say "Hey this guy is really good at what he does" because we all want to hurry up and say he's not. Where is the love boys??

He has his talents and the major one is how he presents it.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

I'm sorry but I'm going to have to call BS, not on yukon but seriously nik0 you are not impressed with Neil Patel? I say credit where credit is due. His tutorial on crawlable ajax was amazing, in fact I'm not too proud to say that quite a few parts of his "Advanced Guide to SEO" have changed the way I've implemented certain things in my own business. The man knows what he's doing, you say "back then" so are we not talking currently because I think if we all look over our shoulders we'll see that we've come a long way.

I feel like in this industry there is so much macho posturing that nobody can say "Hey this guy is really good at what he does" because we all want to hurry up and say he's not. Where is the love boys??

It's all good.

I just don't get the newbie pop ups for a guy with high end clients, niko explained a bit of what was going on in his earlier comment. Still, I imagine he must have another site for the high end clients. Probably gets most from referrals (direct email/phone contact).

I just now looked at his crawlable ajax page since you mentioned it here. Nice If your working with ajax/javascript.

Personally, I stay away from javascript as much as possible, IMO fancy animations, etc... are fluff that I'm not going to have on my own pages, also way too many things that can easily break. I would have taken a different approach & pulled plain text from xml files, keep in mind xml files can be out of site for traffic & competition (snooping), xml files can also have pagerank which in turn can have hidden authority. Example, hxxp://www.radio4all.net/podcast.xml (PR5).

Anyways, props to Neil If he truly has those high end clients. I just don't get his guerrilla marketing for someone that's supposed to have a strong rep. It's not a good user experience. Same goes for all those CB products with multiple pop ups begging traffic not to leave their squeeze pages (cheesy).

BTW, I gave you a shout out earlier today, see I can be a nice, lol.

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SEODollz

11 years ago

@yukon I'm amazed and flattered that you watched that video

Thanks!

I know Neil can be uber pushy too, he's kind of a weird cat but some of his technical stuff is just really cool to me. I don't pay much attention to the stuff he writes about blogging etc though.

Funny: one time he had an error in the format of one of his posts so I nicely pointed it out in a comment, he fixed it then immediately deleted my comment lol Like I said, a weird guy but at least sometimes I see him do something unique or even brilliant which is nice after wading through tons of rehashed marketing garbage online.

Re: ajax, I wouldn't choose it if I was building a site but doing client work you end up with all kinds of crazy sites because somebody thought it looked great and now they don't understand why it won't rank lol

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

@yukon I'm amazed and flattered that you watched that video

Thanks!

I know Neil can be uber pushy too, he's kind of a weird cat but some of his technical stuff is just really cool to me. I don't pay much attention to the stuff he writes about blogging etc though.

Funny: one time he had an error in the format of one of his posts so I nicely pointed it out in a comment, he fixed it then immediately deleted my comment lol Like I said, a weird guy but at least sometimes I see him do something unique or even brilliant which is nice after wading through tons of rehashed marketing garbage online.

Re: ajax, I wouldn't choose it if I was building a site but doing client work you end up with all kinds of crazy sites because somebody thought it looked great and now they don't understand why it won't rank lol

That Trendsmap tip was good, thanks.

Lol @ the deleted helpful comment. Help a guy & he turns around & deletes ya.

I agree about the crazy coded sites. Popular sites like Themeforest don't help, they're mostly heavy on js. It's not like everyone needs 100+ fonts for a WP theme (Themeforest WP themes).

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

@yukon I'm amazed and flattered that you watched that video

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Then you will be amazed and flattered I watched more than one. good stuff. Saw your blog to. Props. I have my new site coming online next week. would love to have you guest post sometime.

I know Neil can be uber pushy too,

Bleh.. theres a certain set in every group that just cant take somebody or some other people getting credits and accolades. Same thing in another thread recently with Matthew Woodward. I don't agree with everything but its part of being an adult to give credit where credit is due. Neil's put out some solid stuff but haters are going to hate.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Neil's put out some solid stuff but haters are going to hate.

Followers gonna follow.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Followers gonna follow.

Another fail

I seldom read Patel and have never followed him. Its just the times I have read him its been solid stuff. Its okay for Adults to give credit. doesn't make the adult a follower. Thats childish thinking.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I seldom read Patel and have never followed him. Its just the times I have read him its been solid stuff. Its okay for Adults to give credit. doesn't make us a follower. Thats childish thinking.

I'm guessing you didn't read the revolutionizing TechCrunch technique?

Load it up on your Kindle, it's a doozy.

Go ask niko about the $5K image optimazation he was offered, act now, only 1 spot left, ha, ha...

What popup blocker is best for Chrome, maybe I'll check out the rest of the site?

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Go ask niko about the $5K image optimazation he was offered, act now, only 1 spot left, ha, ha...

It wasn't about image optimization, it was the fact that none of my posts had any images that they made me aware of. Duh...

My question after their 6th email or so was: "What can you do for my website?"

Answer: We can make your pages look better as right now they are a bit bold with no images and such (or at least something along those lines).

And they kept on hammering that they wanted to call me, but I live in Thailand and those americans with their accent are hardly understandable on a less then perfect (cracky) phone line. Called my bank in the states before and got called by clients from the states on occasion and it's a hell I can tell ya.
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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

I'm guessing you didn't read the revolutionizing TechCrunch technique?

Load it up on your Kindle, it's a doozy.

I read things from you that are a doozy along with all kinds of threads basically saying I just did this and its great look a t me. Does that mean I can't ever give you a thanks for offering something now and again of value? Take a look I have. Thats why i can see through to your sour grapes. You hate anything that gets too much props. Moz, Neil anyone really,

Sorry mate. it s a character and immaturity issue when you just can't give props where they are due.

Go ask niko about the $5K image optimazation he was offered, act now, only 1 spot left, ha, ha...

Actually if you read you would see that was EXACTLY what I was talking about and say good on Neil. What is a SEO this whole freaking board knows had no intention of hiring another SEO at $5,000 a month doing fiddling around with the man's time? So he sent him packing to another site./company where they thankfully gave him no free tips. major props. I would have went him spinning too

As for the whole he markets, uses pop ups and scarcity... lol...thats how i know the real reason is ego and not liking anyone else to get too much props.

You're a mod on Warrior forum the number one marketing forum where a pile of these things are taught and used across the whole board and you are calling him down for doing what your board advocates?

Please. its just all too transparent.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

What is a SEO this whole freaking board knows had no intention of hiring another SEO at $5,000 a month doing fiddling around with the man's time? So he sent him packing to another site./company where they thankfully gave him no free tips. major props. I would have went him spinning too

Lol he's the one bragging all the time that he has a huge network of contacts and I just think, well might be worth it to get some links from huge authority sites. Then they ditch me of to some sub par company. Well thanks but no thanks.

I got better ways to spend my money then on some onpage optimization and perhaps PPC management or whatever (same like most SEO's like to lure people into).

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol he's the one bragging all the time that he has a huge network of contacts and I just think, well might be worth it to get some links from huge authority sites. Then they ditch me of to some sub par company. Well thanks but no thanks.

That I believe, considering the desperate sales techniques back on his site.

There's something fishy going on with that site, it's obviously not built for any corporate accounts. I don't know what it is but something just isn't right. That's why I said earlier he must have another site or working from direct referrals for large clients.

That site that's being linked to in this thread is a regular IMer site.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

That I believe, considering the desperate sales techniques back on his site.

There's something fishy going on with that site, it's obviously not built for any corporate accounts. I don't know what it is but something just isn't right. That's why I said earlier he must have another site or working from direct referrals for large clients.

That site that's being linked to in this thread is a regular IMer site.

Maybe it's the 2014 styled personal touch marketing thing or something like that.

I wouldn't expect Microsoft to buy from some place like that indeed.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

There's something fishy going on with that site, it's obviously not built for any corporate accounts. I don't know what it is but something just isn't right. That's why I said earlier he must have another site or working from direct referrals for large clients.

That site that's being linked to in this thread is a regular IMer site.

lol.......and he wrote that again ladies and gentlemen on a marketing forum.. Thats almost like a fisherman saying

"Theres something fishy about people selling animals that swim in the sea".

Neil is looking to make bank with his SEO skills . Oh the shame

.

This thread might turn from its regular red color to green with all the envy pouring out in this thread but you all have a good night.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

lol.......and he wrote that again ladies and gentlemen on a marketing forum.. Thats almost like a fisherman saying

"Theres something fishy about people selling animals that swim in the sea".

Neil is looking to make bank with his SEO skills . Oh the shame

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This thread might turn from its regular red color to green with all the envy pouring out in this thread but you all have a good night.

Ha, ha,

3D javascript is some good SEO. That would look sweet on a weebly blog.

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SEODollz

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Ha, ha,

3D javascript is some good SEO. That would look sweet on a weebly blog.

Edit: posting the example for posterity lol: http://bartaz.github.io/impress.js/#/source

The point is though... have you seen that elsewhere? As a way to get a backlink? Probably not. Whether or not it is one's cup of tea is secondary to the fact that it's not the tired, regurgitated tactics that you see on many other SEO sites. That was all him, so can I use the idea as a springboard to think of something that would be more pleasing to me? I already have.

I get tired of this kind of post:

How to Build Backlinks for SEO Post Penguin....

GUEST POSTING /post

I like that he tries different stuff and then puts himself out there by sharing. I follow a lot of folks for that reason, sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I don't but give me a guy that comes up with a kooky new solution to an old problem over the guy that mouths the same rehashed, played out stuff any day of the week. Nobody needs to drink the koolaid or proclaim him king, I'm just showing love for the hustle

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Edit: posting the example for posterity lol: impress.js | presentation tool based on the power of CSS3 transforms and transitions in modern browsers | by Bartek Szopka @bartaz

The point is though... have you seen that elsewhere? As a way to get a backlink? Probably not. Whether or not it is one's cup of tea is secondary to the fact that it's not the tired, regurgitated tactics that you see on many other SEO sites. That was all him, so can I use the idea as a springboard to think of something that would be more pleasing to me? I already have.

I get tired of this kind of post:

How to Build Backlinks for SEO Post Penguin....

GUEST POSTING /post

I like that he tries different stuff and then puts himself out there by sharing. I follow a lot of folks for that reason, sometimes I agree with them, sometimes I don't but give me a guy that comes up with a kooky new solution to an old problem over the guy that mouths the same rehashed, played out stuff any day of the week. Nobody needs to drink the koolaid or proclaim him king, I'm just showing love for the hustle

I have no idea how that .js animation could be considered good user experience. It's not practical for a real site.

CREATE A "TOP" LIST AND GET LINKS

Looks like that FollowerWonk (what the?) in the tutorial from Neil you linked to earlier is owned by moz PRO. That figures.

More sales funnel...

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

I get tired of this kind of post:

How to Build Backlinks for SEO Post Penguin....

GUEST POSTING /post

.............I don't but give me a guy that comes up with a kooky new solution to an old problem over the guy that mouths the same rehashed, played out stuff any day of the week. Nobody needs to drink the koolaid or proclaim him king, I'm just showing love for the hustle

SD thanks for that. Reading it I realized thats all I am really reading these days and it just sunk in that I am falling way behind the curve. I admit watching your video the other day I realized I didn't have much of a clue on how to use hashtags. You get so stuck in what you know and hear around you that you sometimes forget - this is the internet and in a year or less you can be a dinosaur. I really have not been following Neil. I have read like three things from him within a year.

I think I might even buy his course (he isn't even hiding he is going after the non corporate market now so tht criticism is a non starter). You said a critically important thing. Sometimes people who think outside the box come up with some strange stuff that you don't even agree with but they give you a idea that takes you to another level.

I've thought it before but it really sunk in for some reason with your post - WF is almost always years behind as people just regurgitate the same old things. Look at people still talking about profile links, search count as competition. Its not a place to grow as a professional because when you read so much of that and you know all the old stuff you begin to believe you are up on the game when you are falling way behind

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol he's the one bragging all the time that he has a huge network of contacts and I just think, well might be worth it to get some links from huge authority sites. Then they ditch me of to some sub par company. Well thanks but no thanks.

Lol dude he didn't want to work with you. Its his right. Meanwhile you can add that to the list and prove me wrong. Where did he ask for other SEOs to step forward just so he could give them links from huge authority sites?

Go ahead show us all that evidence. Besides yeah if he was offering HUGE authority sites he SHOULD send you packing at a $5,000 offer. You are on record saying you make $30,000 a month just selling from forums. You easily double that no mater what you were selling with that kind of exposure

You low balled him and lost. Simple.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Lol dude he didn't want to work with you. Its his right. Meanwhile you can add that to the list and prove me wrong. Where did he ask for other SEOs to step forward just so he could give them links from huge authority sites?

Go ahead show us all that evidence. Besides yeah if he was offering HUGE authority sites he SHOULD send you packing at a $5,000 offer. You are on record saying you make $30,000 a month just selling from forums. You easily double that no mater what you were selling with that kind of exposure

You low balled him and lost. Simple.

Lol do I sound pissed somewhere?

For the record, I don't make $30k, it's revenue (nothing to complain though

), and nope most is not coming from forums (yeah initially) but more from repeat business and mouth to mouth.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Lol do I sound pissed somewhere?

Nah nowhere at all, you just keep complaining how he sent you away like this

Then I get an answer that I wouldn't be the right match cause the budget would be too low and some other crap........

Sorry... I see now you were not bothered by it at all :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by nik0

For the record, I don't make $30k, it's revenue (nothing to complain though

), and nope most is not coming from forums (yeah initially) but more from repeat business and mouth to mouth.

seriously the problem with this board sometimes is that people think everyone is stupid. Out of $30.000 a month revenue a fraction of that is spent in expenses doing SEO. If Neil Patel says you are two low and you are anticipating huge exposure (which would at least double your income given the low paying clients you now have compared to business leads that would pay triple) you would pony up the offer. Theres only two logical conclusions

You didn't have the cash to go higher because you are not making what you claim

or you are a notoriously bad business man which leads back to the first option since those don't make what they claim either.

Love me or hate me its because I speak the straight truth.

and yeah some readers will miss the truth when I am gone

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Out of $30.000 a month revenue a fraction of that is spent in expenses doing SEO.

Blablabla, you know it all so well don't you

A fraction is spend on expenses?

- domain purchases / network maintenance ($2k+/month)
- hosting / domain renewals ($1k+/month)
- virtual assistants ($2k+/month)
- promotion materials for clients ($1k+/month)
- advertising costs ($1k+/month)
- several memberships ($500+/month)
- and the largest cost, written content

I have an excellent income but saying that the costs are just a fraction, nope not really.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Blablabla, you know it all so well don't you

A fraction is spend on expenses, really?

Yeah really. At this point I know your network almost as well as you do so its not going to work. Like I said that all adds up to a fraction but I am not going to go off into individual rebuttals of costs or I will hear rightfully so I am going off topic. Suffice to say before you all go on with your character assault on Neil Patel your reasonings should have some more substance and credibility.

"He tuned me down because I didn't offer him enough money" and Yuke's usual "oh my goodness he can market he's evil " are not of any weight.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yeah really. At this point I know your network almost as well as you do so its not going to work. Like I said that all adds up to a fraction but I am not going to go off into individual rebuttals of costs or I will hear I rightfully so I am going off topic. Suffice to say before you all go on with your character assault on Neil Patel your reasonings should have some more substance and credibility.

"He tuned me down because I didn't offer him enough money" and Yuke's usual "oh my goodness he can market he's evil " are not of any weight.

Lol I outlined 25% costs that are cut from revenue and I haven't put a number down for the largest cost of all "content", and you still call that a fraction

Not sure what definition you have for the word "fraction" :rolleyes:

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Yeah really. At this point I know your network almost as well as you do so its not going to work. Like I said that all adds up to a fraction but I am not going to go off into individual rebuttals of costs or I will hear I rightfully so I am going off topic. Suffice to say before you all go on with your character assault on Neil Patel your reasonings should have some more substance and credibility.

"He tuned me down because I didn't offer him enough money" and Yuke's usual "oh my goodness he can market he's evil " are not of any weight.

Good grief, so you think niko should have bought the $5K plan-B from uncle Albert or whoever the guy passed him off to? At least he was smart enough to laugh it off.

Once again you try & twist more words, I'm surprised today is my turn, a week goes by fast. :rolleyes:

I don't have a problem with IM or anyone selling whatever, passing something off as SEO when it's actually a sales funnel is what's silly. I realize it doesn't matter because there's always going to be more nonsense in more threads supporting more sales pitches (hand on wallet).

Show me SEO, not BS.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Good grief, so you think niko should have bought the $5K plan-B from uncle Albert or whoever the guy passed him off to? At least he was smart enough to laugh it off.

You really cannot read can you? I made it quite clear that my point was in regard to NEIL's service not to who he was passed off to. Don't talk about twisting words and then do your own doozy

Show me SEO, not BS.

Sorry Yuke. Neil has shown more SEO to more people than you ever have or will. The real issue is you know that and that bothers you no end - same as with Moz.

If you were so passionate about the evils of sales funnels and pop ups and scarcity you wouldn't be on a forum that teaches it and you would be railing against countless members on here that practice it. As it stands we only see you on these rants when the people or organizations are bigger than any member on WF. Its their reach and popularity that bothers you or you would rail against all the others without the popularity and reach that teach that stuff right here at WF.

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yukon

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You really cannot read can you? I made it quite clear that my point was in regard to NEIL's service not to who he was passed off to. Don't talk about twisting words and then do your own doozy

Sorry Yukon. Neil has shown more SEO to more people than you ever have or will. The real issue is you know that and that bothers you no end - same as with Moz.

If you were so passionate about the evils of sales funnels and pop ups and scarcity you wouldn't be on a forum that teaches it and you would be railing against countless members on here that practice it. As it stands we only see you on these rants when the people or organizations are bigger than any member on WF. Its their reach and popularity that bothers you or you would rail against all the others without the popularity and reach that teach that stuff right here at WF.

Either your high or I'm high, because I haven't seen anything on his site rockin the SERPs.

Where's these killer techniques, seriously, I want in on it. I'm all for learning new SEO tips. Give me something to work with here, anything.

I've found way better tips researching competition in the SERPs.

Not impressed.

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Mike Anthony 11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Either your high or I'm high, because I haven't seen anything on his site rockin the SERPs.

Who cares? What can you show on your site to show your sites are rockin the serps (oh wait we've never seen even one single site of yours ). You are a mass poster on Internet marketing forum like all us regulars. Nothing more and with no great SEO credentials or for that matter ANY that anyone can verify. You've merely deluded yourself that forum rep equals world rep and yes you are high on that but no one else should be.

Neil has that over you and every person on this board and in this thread. Some of us are just honest enough to admit it while you are in denial. He's worked with top corporations and has a track record that is verifiable. We can say he knows SEO because he's done it in the open. We don't even know really if you rank for anything. You can say you are a great SEO but we know he has done real SEO. We don't know that about anyone in this thread. Deal with it and stop making the envy eat you up.

He's put out some good stuff has the credentials you don't have and comes recommended. Win, win, win over you. From one mass poster to another you have to come up for air. Posting on a forum doesn't make you the guardian arbiter or judge on SEO for someone who the world know has done real SEO.

I Post like I know my SEO sure but when someone comes along that has better credentials I take note - not childishly try to shoot him down just so I can maintain the facade of being the top gun in SEO on nothing but a free anonymous forum.

In short - You aint all that to be shooting down someone with the credential of Neil Patel. We live in a real world. Sorry thats how it is.
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- yukon Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Who cares? What can you show on your site to show your sites are rockin the serps (oh wait we've never seen even one single site of yours ).
  
  Bla, bla, keep it short, I don't read the majority of your bickering.
  
  You'll never see my sites because I know what to expect from guys like you. You already said in this thread you've been trolling niko's backlink network.
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Yeah really. At this point I know your network almost as well as you do so its not going to work.
  
  Like I need an extra 100 yahoo's scraping my sites.
  
  Dream on.
  
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  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  You'll never see my sites because I know what to expect from guys like you. You already said in this thread you've been trolling niko's backlink network.
  
  Again who cares to see your sorry site? You are confused as usual. I don't care to see some anonymous posters sites (almost guaranteed to be less than its advertised both in quality and ranking ). MY only two points were - its easy to talk crap about other people sites because you have yours hidden (no one knows if you have done any SEO or even could do any seo services) and
  
  Neil Patel has credentials. You don't.
  
  Life is what it is. Get over it. its undeniable he has the credentials you don't.
  
  and Nik0s network is fine and dandy. Me knowing about his sites has done and will do him no harm under any reasonable situation I can think of. Don't ascribe motives you know nothing about. I too know what to expect of you as well and have for some time.
  
  As for scraping your site? Really? You haven't yet noticed I question the very way you think. Why in the world would I want to scrape what you write? Thats some what delusional.
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  If you folks think that type of stuff is SEO you got a long ways to go...
  
  Us folks?? Forget me. SD and MikeF are far better SEOs than you (and Neil Patel goes without saying). You can try and put down everyone that disagrees with you or even delete every post that gives props to moz and maybe soon Neil Patel but life is real - not dictated by forum posts.
  
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  yukon Banned 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Again who cares to see your sorry site?
  
  You do, that's why you brought it up.
  
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  Mike Anthony 11 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  You do, that's why you brought it up.
  
  Sorry dude but you cannot think a lick. You raised the issue of what was on Neils site. I merely pointed out that one can always call crap when one is hiding in the bushes and no one can see them. If you think that means that I want to see your site hiding in the bushes then you are delusional.
  
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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You didn't have the cash to go higher because you are not making what you claim

Going higher like what, $10k or $15k/month, I don't think so as I can double my revenue by myself with such budget. Besides I think most agree that spending near 100% of your income on advertising is pretty poor business practice so this $5k/month was already over budget.

Perhaps you should take a look over here:

http://www.businessweek.com/smallbiz...210_165498.htm

Quote: "I've seen companies spend upwards of 15% when warranted—especially young companies that need to invest to build their brand." - according to them that's a LOT already.

The only thing I can admit is that I'm perhaps a bit unrealistic with my expectations when I outsource it to others.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Going higher like what, $10k or $15k/month, I don't think so as I can double my revenue by myself with such budget. Besides I think most agree that spending near 100% of your income on advertising is pretty poor business practice so this $5k/month was already over budget.

Bro think before you put down any more numbers because they telegraph to anyone in our business that you do not take in 30,000 like you keep claiming. If you were spending even half of $30,000 in expenses the content on your network would be stellar (which it is not having seen it. I'd be surprised if you even spent $10 per article or as matter of fact anywhere near it. More like about $5 tops. the short articles even less SAY $3) and you would have to be getting huge portions of your network deindexed (which you claim to not be). Plus your "VAs" would have to be twiddling their thumbs. Ignoring entirely that working yourself out at less than 50% of income per client at your prices would just be poor poor pricing given liabilities, chargebacks and PP disputes.

Thats it for me on costs and income claims. Its already off topic.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Bro think before you put down any more numbers because they telegraph to anyone in our business that you do not take in 30,000 like you keep claiming. If you were spending even half of $30,000 in expenses the content on your network would be stellar (which it is not having seen it. I'd be surprised if you even spent $10 per article or as matter of fact anywhere near it. More like about $5 tops. the short articles even less SAY $3) and you would have to be getting huge portions of your network deindexed (which you claim to not be). Plus your "VAs" would have to be twiddling their thumbs. Ignoring entirely that working yourself out at less than 50% of income per client at your prices would just be poor poor pricing given liabilities, chargebacks and PP disputes.

Thats it for me on costs and income claims. Its already off topic.

You talk about prices per article but have no idea how many articles we write per month so those numbers make no sense at all. For certain services we use 100 word articles for as low as $0,80/article.

Then you throw around with deindex factors while totally ignoring costs for replacements due to PR updates and expanding the network which easily adds up to $2000/month (did I ever mention that I own 500+ domains?).

And you start about liabilities, chargebacks and PP disputes, well that's around $200-$300/month so what are we talking about.

You really think that $10k/month (besides the $5500 other costs) is a lot for posting and maintaining a network of 500 sites large? Do you have any idea how many posts we place each month?

- 150 monthly clients * 10 posts = 1500 posts/month
- 150 one time clients * 10 posts on average = 1500 posts/month

Heck I don't even know if I truly reach the $30k/month revenue, probably a bit less.

That's 3000 posts, and I already said that $2000,- is to replace domains after PR updates and to expand the network so that leaves me with $8000,-/3000 posts = $2,66/post that I can spend on average. That's a pretty tight budget isn't it?

It's very easy to blindly scream that oh you have a network and all you need to do is place 10 posts for a client that brings in $129/month, so with your short posts that's like $30/max and thus you make like 70% profit while ignoring all the other mentioned costs that are needed to keep the business running, not to mention those damn public links for the sake of anchor diversity.

And who's going to place those posts on my network, automated software can't do it as we use to many themes / CMS that require custom approaches. See now where those $2k VA costs come from, and they also have to do those public links. To offer SEO services mostly based on high PR links for a bottom price it's a pretty tight budget thing to run so blindly spending $5k/month is quite an investment, and you call me crazy for not upping the budget LOL.

ps: Don't start about 3000/500 = 6 posts per month per site and saying you've seen sites receive 20+ posts per month lol. Although that's true there's also a huge portion of niche relevant sites (320 in total, I'd be surprised if you found more then 50 of those btw) that only receive about 2 posts per month. Read my sig: Permanent Niche relevant homepage links

From all the past and current comments that you made about my network it becomes pretty clear that the majority of sites found belong to the PR3/PR4 network where posts are sold for $6/pop, the ones with the 100 words/post. You always like to yell about the reverse engineering of a network by tracing other sites on a network site and checking their back link profiles but almost all of those 320 niche relevant sites have blocked all crawlers like Ahrefs, Moz, Majestic and 150+ others so even Spyglass can't find them as they depend on 3rd party crawlers. The only way you can find them is when you go completely out of your way by manually typing in stuff in Google (like url's) or reverse IP engineering and making well educated guesses.

I'll leave it at that as I'm going on holiday for a few days to a quite island named Koh Samet, you should check it out, real peaceful

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

- 150 monthly clients * 10 posts = 1500 posts/month
- 150 one time clients * 10 posts on average = 1500 posts/month

Heck I don't even know if I truly reach the $30k/month revenue, probably a bit less. That's 3000 posts,

Dude I told you to forget presenting numbers because when you do they never add up. Given your pricing the above scenario income is near $40,000 not $30,000. Do the maths at $129 and add one time client income to monthly. Sorry no one is required to believe income claims - worse when the maths s off.

P.S. you are wrong. I have seen above PR4. sites and this was before crawlers were blocked plus links take a while to drop out of backlink data services - especially majestic.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Dude I told you to forget presenting numbers because when you do they never add up. Given your pricing the above scenario income is near $40,000 not $30,000. Do the maths at $129 and add one time client income to monthly. Sorry no one is required to believe income claims - worse when the maths s off.

P.S. you are wrong. I have seen above PR4. sites and this was before crawlers were blocked plus links take a while to drop out of backlink data services - especially majestic.

10 blog posts cost $59,-, and there are plenty of clients who are still signed up for the old price of $99/month. The monthly clients receive posts on a different network and I'm pretty sure you've only seen about 10% of that network.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

almost all of those 320 niche relevant sites have blocked all crawlers like Ahrefs, Moz, Majestic and 150+ others so even Spyglass can't find them as they depend on 3rd party crawlers. The only way you can find them is when you go completely out of your way by manually typing in stuff in Google (like url's) or reverse IP engineering and making well educated guesses.

Actually, besides relying on other databases, SpyGlass also has their own database, and unless something has changed recently, nobody has identified their bot. In a lot of cases that I have tested, their database is just as big as Majestic's. On top of that, Google does not show nearly as many links publicly as those services, but they do show some. You can never block someone for searching for links that way.

So you can block anything you want, but as long as you are publicly selling links, just about anyone with a little extra time on their hands can find the whole network. They really only need to find one site. It's like a loose thread in a piece of clothing. You just tug a little and you can unravel the whole thing.

I had a nice collection of about 2000 .info domains once. Took me all of 45 minutes to collect it.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I read things from you that are a doozy along with all kinds of threads basically saying I just did this and its great look a t me. Does that mean I can't ever give you a thanks for offering something now and again of value? Take a look I have. Thats why i can see through to your sour grapes. You hate anything that gets too much props. Moz, Neil anyone really,

Yawn.

I think that's what I find irritating about those guys, I know they're good salesmen but others don't see it.

I'm ok with you following their sales funnel, just don't confuse it with SEO.

BTW, Neil has wrote for Moz (links/$$). See the money trail yet?

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attorneydavid

11 years ago

The problem with Neil Patel is he's obviously an expert in taking a site that's already getting strong link equity and making it better. It's a technical and not a content development thing.

However, by selling these services to lower budget people who don't already have megaprofitable website that naturally attract links I really don't think he'll deliver value for the money.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by attorneydavid

The problem with Neil Patel is he's obviously an expert in taking a site that's already getting strong link equity and making it better. It's a technical and not a content development thing.

However, by selling these services to lower budget people who don't already have megaprofitable website that naturally attract links I really don't think he'll deliver value for the money.

Once he admitted that he improved Techcrunch's traffic by 30% by doing a simple technical trick indeed, hopefully he did a lot more then just that

I don't know what they exactly do so can't judge it. When I look at myself I wrote quite often about making your site Panda safe, how to source expired domains and more of such things, enough info for people to do it their selves, however they still hire me.

In Neil's case it's probably the same, you can do it yourself or we can do it for you.

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Once he admitted that he improved Techcrunch's traffic by 30% by doing a simple technical trick indeed, hopefully he did a lot more then just that

Was it optimizing images, lol?
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PerformanceMan

11 years ago

SEO Super SmackDown: Matt LaClear versus Neil Patel!

That would be an epic battle!

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SEODollz

11 years ago

Pretty thorough onsite optimization if you ask me:

How I Grew TechCrunch’s Traffic By 30% in 60 Days

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Pretty thorough onsite optimization if you ask me:

How I Grew TechCrunch’s Traffic By 30% in 60 Days

No offense but that list of items is basic SEO.

He didn't do anything any other SEO hasn't already been doing for years.

Eliminate Duplicate Content
Ensure Proper Site Indexing
Optimize On-Page Code
Leverage Network Assets
Maximize Social Media Marketing
Pay attention to Google’s Webmaster Tools program
Stay on top of changing SEO best practices
Work with social media influencers, not against them

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SEODollz

11 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

No offense but that list of items is basic SEO.

He didn't do anything any other SEO hasn't already been doing for years.

Eliminate Duplicate Content
Ensure Proper Site Indexing
Optimize On-Page Code
Leverage Network Assets
Maximize Social Media Marketing
Pay attention to Google’s Webmaster Tools program
Stay on top of changing SEO best practices
Work with social media influencers, not against them

Exactly what I said though: a thorough onsite optimization. And I think we both know more SEOs than we can count that do a terrible job at this. I clean up after them all the time

Was a solid job and he got quantifiable benefits for his client out of it.

I don't think this particular post was cool because it was something from out of this world, I think it was cool that he could point out that even a big money, tech based site like that was considerably improved through SEO best practices.

Funny bc that was the same phrase his client uses to describe the work:

"Neil has advised TechCrunch for more than two years and been an important part of the growth of the TechCrunch Network by helping us implement SEO best practices. Search engines have grown to be responsible for 1/3 of all TechCrunch traffic, so Neil’s support is critical to our business." Michael Arrington (Tech Crunch)

Anyways I was responding to nik0 who said this:

Once he admitted that he improved Techcrunch's traffic by 30% by doing a simple technical trick indeed, hopefully he did a lot more then just that.

That makes it sound like he did one quick easy fix and it was done, but he said he didn't know the details so I pointed to the post because it shows that there was more work involved than that.

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nik0

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Anyways I was responding to nik0 who said this:

Once he admitted that he improved Techcrunch's traffic by 30% by doing a simple technical trick indeed, hopefully he did a lot more then just that.

I think that were his own words once in some post to promote the other post, as I never read that article but was aware of it.

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SEODollz

11 years ago

Ok ok the techcrunch post was nothing extraordinary but if you look at something like this chapter of the Advanced guide to SEO :

Link Building with Content - The Advanced Guide to SEO

I have to give him props for that, there are certainly things there that I have seen elsewhere but also a couple (two) that I hadn't seen anywhere else before him. And the man writes pages and pages of step by step technical instructions (also a ton of videos) and provides that content free to our community, so what if he has a pop up or two? I can't hate on him for that, he's got to get returns on his investment of time.

Also, for me, the fact that he is willing to share specific techniques is admirable, this is one of those industries where people play their cards close to their chest, nobody wants to lay them down and say "look this is what I'm capable of" but he does. Of course that makes me think that surely he has a trick or two up his sleeve that he's not ready to share with the world too hehehe

I say: "Attaboy, Neil, thanks for contributing." But that's just me.

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Kevin Maguire

11 years ago

Is Neil Patel not the guy who spends 10's of thousands of dollars outsourcing his content? One of these problem solution marketer t-hypes like Becker. I'm pretty sure but I'll have to check my sources.

Anyway congrats on destroying Nik0's thread.

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MikeFriedman

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Is Neil Patel not the guy who spends 10's of thousands of dollars outsourcing his content? One of these problem solution marketer t-hypes like Becker. I'm pretty sure but I'll have to check my sources.

No. Becker is good at marketing himself. Neil actually knows SEO.

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Kevin Maguire 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

No. Becker is good at marketing himself. Neil actually knows SEO.

Yeah $30,000 a month on content marketing. And 70% of his leads come from his blog. Food for thought...This is not where I originally heard it but its a source...

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nik0 Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Anyway congrats on destroying Nik0's thread.

Was about time
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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

Link Building with Content - The Advanced Guide to SEO

So far I'm just not seeing it.

3D javascript page? Yuck.

Name files with keywords, done it.

Optimize PDF to load as multiple pages?

Sorry, Google automatically loads all PDF pages from one file on a text cache as a single page, it's no different than a single long HTML page. One file, one source code during crawl.

That might be the page that started the 200 Google list last year? That crashed & burned (RIP), well, the last 100 opinions did anyways. The lesson on that one was, don't BS people that know better.

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SEODollz

11 years ago

I think the idea behind the js animation is the idea that I can create something dynamic to inspire another site to give me a link.. It occurred to me that I could piggyback on the infographic sharing concept, a spin on content marketing.

Say there is a blog/site that I really want a link from, a really lustworthy link, might they not appreciate a nicely designed gift to post on their site that happens to be completely crawlable and contains a backlink to my site (full disclosure of course, just a link to credit me as the creator)? That's all I can say here, I'm no Neil Patel and this is borderline outting something that is working nicely for me currently.

Also going to be damn difficult for my competitor to match that link so extra juicy.

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Mike Anthony

11 years ago

Originally Posted by SEODollz

I think the idea behind the js animation is the idea that I can create something dynamic to inspire another site to give me a link.. It occurred to me that I could piggyback on the infographic sharing concept, a spin on content marketing.

Say there is a blog/site that I really want a link from, a really lustworthy link, might they not appreciate a nicely designed gift to post on their site that happens to be completely crawlable and contains a backlink to my site (full disclosure of course, just a link to credit me as the creator)?

OF course and exactly. Beats the crap out of can I have a link, guest posting etc. As it is plenty of sites got mad links for early HTML5 examples. It will of course wear off but theres all kinds of ways of leveraging that including creating web apps for particular niches that link back to you.

Bottom line is some people don't want to play around and give credit to an idea unless they are the ones pushing it. Its all about ego.

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yukon

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

OF course and exactly. Beats the crap out of can I have a link, guest posting etc. As it is plenty of sites got mad links for early HTML5 examples. It will of course wear off but theres all kinds of ways of leveraging that including creating web apps for particular niches that link back to you.

Bottom line is some people don't want to play around and give credit to an idea unless they are the ones pushing it. Its all about ego.

How much credit does a guy need for linking to an open source .js file on github?

If you folks think that type of stuff is SEO you got a long ways to go...

Good luck.

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IMdeaming

11 years ago

Too many walls of text. I just can't.

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yukon Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by IMdeaming

Too many walls of text. I just can't.

Ha, ha, someone got Dragon NaturallySpeaking for Christmas.

Discount code: RANT
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insley

11 years ago

Well put PaulWalker, well put.

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