web 2.0s as buffer sites - Opinions?

1. I don't think so. You seem to have taken the precaution of drip feeding, and if the web 2.0s are sporting some original content it provides actual value, right? As long as you are providing value I wouldn't worry too much.

2. It depends on your budget, but it will certainly make them look a little less spammy. For my clients that are very particular about not seeming spammy I've built out web 2.0s with dozens of articles and seen some pretty decent succcess. Plus, the web 2.0s tend to stick around for a lot longer with more articles as well.

What do you mean the web 2.0s tend to stick around longer? They get deleted?

Ryan, also..do you think it's worth stocking these sites with unique content or just spinning the articles?

I know it costs more to get unique stuff..but I feel for long term rankings unique is better.

Anyone else have some opinions?

If you can get so many high PR contextual links (you say 50-100 for each web 2.0), why not just point all those links directly to your articles?

Anybody can find reasonable links from fiverr like the ones I mentioned..but I want to be able to remove links if for some reason I don't want them or the algo changes etc. Have you ever tried to manually remove 2000 bot generated links? Not gonna happen. This way I can just remove my links from the web 2.0 sites. What I am trying to say is I have more control over my link profile having buffer sites like this.

When I say high PR, I don't mean amazing PR 7,8,9 sites..those are costly and impossible to get in mass quantities unless you own some network.

I meant PR 2,3,4 sites.

Ok, thank you for the tips.

15 unique article is expensive!

Do you think if I have 2-3 web 2.0s pointing to each of my 25 keywords that would be enough with good contexual stuff and juicing them on tier 3??

I am trying not to spend too much..

Yes, I understand that. Did you read the post?

Hey,

I know this will go against the grain now, but this stuff worked superb 1-2 years ago. I was the biggest proponent of tiered link building when it was working really good. Now on the other hand, i don't think its the most effective method to generate traffic, and for the most part, results just dont come or they don't last.

The reason behind this is Google can now detect which sites are self post sites. For example, forums, web 2.0, wikis, article directories, link directories, social bookmarks etc.

If you go over a certain theshold you will get penalized. Even if you think you are doing it smart.

Instead go for creating your own private blog network and start your own niche site empire. I currently make $10k+ month doing that. I have given up 100% on link building tools completely. I just build sites, buy domains, and sometimes buy the odd premium niche relevant link.

The days of mass spam links are becoming doomed. Get ahread of the competition now and ditch it, and move towards something more long term and sustainaible. Personally, i love googles latest changes because its start to reward putting some serious effort in to your sites. Which is always a good thing imo. 2 cents.

See, your missing the wood's for the tree's a little in your plan.

Why don't you drop the Web2.0 blog idea and try

Buy 125 expired domains with existing authority, that are or can be made into niche relevant sites.
Put your niche articles and "real looking" layouts on those, and Bobs your Uncle.

But that's going to take forever and cost a tonne?

Not really, something like 500k domains expire everyday so there's plenty of sites out there that would fit the bill. Stay away from auctions hyped with PR chasers and stick to drops that you can reg for $10-$70.

The money you would spend on buying domains, hosting, etc..is going to be spent 10 times over anyway, as those High PR contextuals are going to cost you a lot in monthly fees x 125. Not to mention when they get whacked as Public Blog Networks so often do, you will be probably starting over again on a 6 month cycle.

You can also push the boat out a little as you progress, and turn those 125 self "owned" and hosted sites into direct traffic or sales funnels for your main site. You can use their existing authority to optimize and rank for low competition keywords within your niche. Dominating SE's with multiple properties and SERP's all feeding your main site and your pocket at the same time.

I personally don't buy stuff from web2.0s, do you? I don't really click on them in search result either. But maybe thats coz I'm SEO minded.

Aha.. so it's your site I landed on when I bought my last package of Cialis.. er, ah I mean.. Benadryl.. yeah, that's it.

I dont really know how to respond to that. I have a site pushing 1000 pages of high quality content, very few links, MOST of which i own and control and are apart of my network. Most of those links I own are formatted like proper sites, and look less like a blog network. At least 25% of the links that link to me, get alright traffic and rank for certain terms.

The amount of money im making, makes it ******* stupid to jeopardize it by pointing any form of risky links at my site. If anything goes kaput now, i am in control. I can remove links, change anchor text etc. FYI - i dont use ANY keywords in my linking now, and guess what im crushing it. Crazy that!

The only way i endorse using buffer sites and tiers, are to rank sites that link to your site. If they get penalized, big deal. But no way am i going to risk a site that i've invested $20k+ in quality content on. Every now and then ill buy some services from forums to point at my sites that link to my money site (buffer) and for the most part, the services work okay for a little while, but i find very few that stick long term.

I just dont want any newbie to think hes doing the right thing, pouring his heart and soul in to a site, then getting a lot of article directory, web 2.0, social bookmarks, link directory, blog comments to their site. Then seeing his site get penalized by penguin when the next one rolls out.

Honestly, i know this sounds like im kissing up to Cutts or just endorsing white hat SEO. But honestly, if you are a talented content producer, invest a bit in a brand. If you get your ass in to gear and start churning out quality content, whilst at the same time being smart with KW research and finding a few niche loopholes. You will realise its very possible to make a lot of money with SEO without going crazy with the links.

And from what i can tell, this is a very stable way to make money, assuming you dont take short cuts and make by far the best site in your niche.

Most of you guys will struggle to do this, and complain google is favouring big brands. Well ya know what, im becoming a big brand, and im thankful for this. Because the increased barriars to entry and favouring of my site, means all u little punks can't outrank me with your shitty content and automated tools

Oh and this is coming from one of those shitty little (former) spammer punks.

Hard work pays off. End.

I'm gonna jump way out on a limb and just say this.. many, if not most of the visitors here do not have a $20,000 investment on their websites, and most aren't targeting insanely competitive niches or keywords either. For most of us, including me, our websites are a side hobby, and a supplement to our 9-5 incomes. I for one am happy as hell to get a $100 or $200 paycheck in the mail. Cool shit! Free internet for me! I use web 20's, forums, and article directories to promote. Seo is a side benefit from that promotion. Not saying you should do things that will tank your site, like mass spamming. That should be a no brainer by now.

Just saying that not everyone here are big game hustlers who do this for a living. I could see having to invest $20,000 if you are in the Pharma or Gambling niches just to stay afloat. Most of us aren't though, and most of us don't have to be on that level to be where we want to be. I have a site whose primary targeted keyword is on page one that hasn't moved in years.. and it's riding on links created with -shame on me- automated software, created 6 years ago. I just happened to be smart about it and put some thought into it. All this fear-mongering about getting people to jump on the private network bandwagon is starting to get silly. Don't get me wrong, private networks kick ass! Provided you know what you're doing.

There's no guarantees in that either, though, if your site isn't quality enough to begin with. So all these people go out and spend $1000's of dollars on expired pr domains thinking there's some guarantee they'll shoot and stay at the top? Pshht, then in a month or two their site not only tanks, but they're out thousands of dollars in investment they could've used to build a better site and promote for free. Then maybe someday be able to invest in their own private network. Just the way I see things, guys.

What are buffer sites??

Cool insight. Anyways, I appreciate your opinions. Thanks!

Btw I created a legit discussion..neat

Haha, ya I think it's great.

The blog network method where you own the domains is the best method by far, if you know what your doing. There is a lot more risk for the guy starting out though . I still think if you are just starting out you should use 2.0 sites since they are free and if you mess up it doesn't cost you anything. Tools like gsa ser and kontent machine should cost around $300 for life time access total, but then you have literally no overhead, you can build and rank your sites and you don't have to worry about juggling hosting and domains and avoiding footprints that can shut you down. You can make a natural looking web 2.0 and then blast it and you can schedule and do everything in about an hour.

As for blog networks, I know that each self hosted blog can link out between 50-100 times before its juice starts to suffer...and you really only want 2-3 links coming from each site. So I would hold off on creating blog network until you are at about 20 sites first.

These links are by far the best, I understand that. The management of the network is what I think makes it unfriendly

I might be making a right angle turn here, but I am wondering, about how many pages do you have and create in your network sites? Like, when you buy a domain obvously you put a page on it, how large do you grow that site out, and what frequency do you add pages to it? And do you do cross-linking to other sites in your network, or do you strictly point links toward your (or your clients) money site?

I'ts a very interesting discussion..But actually I haven't fully understood what "Private Blog Network"..Is it dummy blogs..Blogs that we creates to support(give backlinks) to our main site..?

Yeah right!

I don't think that google think our web2.0 are spammy as you say you are using unique and geniun content this is a good idea.