How do you do on page SEO if the keyword is very long?

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Suppose, the keyword is "how much does a BMW car cost"?
How do you make an optimized article? I mean if it is a 500 words article, then to keep density 1% I need to add it 5 times. Will it be easy to read? Please let me know how do you do it. I am very confused about density and flow of articles written for a long keyword.

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  • Profile picture of the author Riki Stein
    Google nowadays understands the intent.

    So: "how much does a BMW car cost" should be rewritten in a few different variations which are all proper English but totally make sense and flow in the article.

    You can have your exact keyword in the opening paragraph, and the rest variations.

    Please don't beat me up if I'm wrong. I'm not into relying on Google for traffic, anyways.

    This was all based on my understanding.

    Let the others chime in.
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    How Much Does a BMW Car Cost

    Then the article starts.... Many times people ask "How much does a BMW car cost?" blah blah blah 100 words

    In relation to how much does a BMW car cost blah blah blah 100 words

    In order to determine how much a BMW car cost blah blah blah 100 words

    and that concludes how much does a BMW car cost.

    So you want your "TARGETED" keyword as close to the top of the text as possible. Using a title makes it "The Top" and as close to the end of your text as possible.

    A second layer of SEO can be added to shorter tail words such as how much a car cost, does not matter how much a BMW costs, BMW financing, BMW repair, etc. etc. You can add another 5 of these in for good measure.

    The secret to it all, is to have it read naturally, or as naturally as possible. I tell my clients, there is "English" and then there is "SEO English".

    Oh don't forget to text link internally on your site to this page 2x using "How much does a BMW car cost" as the link alt tag. A link out to another BMW site helps as well. ( Not in this case, but in others you can use a link to Wikipedia as your outbound )

    Hope that Helps!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Just get a little creative, but above all else, make the narrative flow as if you were talking to your best friend.

    In this case I would write an informative report or review and call it "How much does a BMW car cost?"

    Now when you write your article, just mention the name of your report in a natural manner and you will get your keywords into the article.

    By the way, there is no magical number for KD. Put your keyword in the article title at the front, again in the first paragraph, again in the concluding paragraph, and maybe one more time in the article body. But don't get hung up on the keyword inclusion so much that your article sounds like a deliberate attempt to stuff keywords.

    By talking about a report (title=your keywords), it will not sound unnatural to the reader unless you go overboard. The most important thing is to write a quality article that will provide value to the reader.

    Good luck,

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Originally Posted by FaisalKhan View Post

    Suppose, the keyword is "how much does a BMW car cost"?
    How do you make an optimized article? I mean if it is a 500 words article, then to keep density 1% I need to add it 5 times. Will it be easy to read? Please let me know how do you do it. I am very confused about density and flow of articles written for a long keyword.

    Thanks
    Welcome to the SEO section.

    Now ignore everything that those above said. Dip your head in an ice bucket.

    A single mention of your keyword within your "content" is WAY more then enough.

    I'd use
    "how much does a BMW car cost" as my article title and never mention it again throughout.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by FaisalKhan View Post

    Suppose, the keyword is "how much does a BMW car cost"?
    How do you make an optimized article? I mean if it is a 500 words article, then to keep density 1% I need to add it 5 times. Will it be easy to read? Please let me know how do you do it. I am very confused about density and flow of articles written for a long keyword.

    Thanks
    First, forget about density. Focus on relevancy.

    Have a look at the page structure on most Wikipedia articles, they use jump links, it's user friendly & good for SEO.

    Example:

    <title>BMW M6 Convertible - domain.com</title>

    <h1>How much does a BMW car cost?</h1>

    Suspendisse non mi augue. Phasellus quis nulla ac dolor adipiscing sodales. Nunc nibh lorem, congue a tempus sed, rhoncus in lacus. Morbi aliquet nisi nec purus vulputate sit amet congue risus faucibus. Nulla facilisi. Vivamus congue odio luctus tellus scelerisque luctus.

    <img src="bmw-m6-convertible.jpg" alt="how much does a BMW car cost,bmw m6 convertible">

    <h2>Options</h2>
    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Etiam egestas mauris eu tortor pellentesque nec iaculis orci eleifend. Etiam lobortis egestas purus vel pharetra. Suspendisse non mi augue. Phasellus quis nulla ac dolor adipiscing sodales. Nunc nibh lorem, congue a tempus sed, rhoncus in lacus. Morbi aliquet nisi nec purus vulputate sit amet congue risus faucibus. Nulla facilisi. Vivamus congue odio luctus tellus scelerisque luctus.

    <h2>Maintenance</h2>
    Nulla egestas vulputate diam sed adipiscing. Integer convallis turpis at eros venenatis sit amet vulputate justo vehicula. Phasellus cursus congue nulla, vitae cursus metus aliquam id. Integer magna risus, auctor vel commodo ultricies, euismod vel orci. Sed tincidunt, mauris quis facilisis consectetur, ipsum velit porttitor libero, vitae tempus nunc velit ullamcorper risus.

    <h2>Cost</h2>
    See also: M3 M6 Cost Comparison

    How much ivamus cursus dapibus ligula, BMW car cost eu dapibus lectus euismod quis. Cras purus augue, aliquam id congue sed, vestibulum ut felis. Suspendisse nulla turpis, feugiat nec facilisis non, condimentum vel ligula. Integer convallis turpis at eros venenatis sit amet vulputate justo vehicula. Phasellus cursus congue nulla, vitae cursus metus aliquam id.
    The <h1> tag is the highest authority heading tag, just like a newspaper, there's one main heading on the front page. The 3 <h2> tags are also important, only carry less weight as the main heading tag.

    Notice the internal link to a relevant page (M3 M6 Cost Comparison) that includes the main keyword (cost). That anchor-text (M3 M6 Cost Comparison) would be the same as the 2nd page <title> or the same as the 2nd page <h1> tag the link is pointing at (relevancy connection).

    The links at the top of the content jump down the page to their matching <h2> tag (Options, Maintenance, Cost). I've even seen Google display jump links from a single page as Google Sitelinks, added benefit.

    With quality external links plus the internal links, that page would be well optimized in Google SERPs for multiple keywords. Example, the same page should also rank for the keyword how much does a bmw m6 convertible cost.

    Remember, Stop Words are mostly ignored (mostly, not always).

    These are Stop Words:
    • How
    • much
    • does
    • a

    These are main keywords:
    • BMW
    • car
    • cost

    You could rank that same page without a single Stop Word. The actual keywords (BMW, car, cost) need to be on the page your trying to rank, it just makes ranking pages easier.

    There's exceptions to Stop Words, example the keyword phrase how much + [keyword] is very popular as a keyword on it's own. You'll find that keyword phrase in just about every niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Remember, Stop Words are mostly ignored (mostly, not always).

      These are
      Stop Words:
      • How
      • much
      • does
      • a

      These are main keywords:
      • BMW
      • car
      • cost

      You could rank that same page without a single Stop Word, the actual keywords (BMW, car, cost) need to be on the page your trying to rank, it just makes ranking pages easier.

      There's exceptions to Stop Words, example the keyword phrase
      how to + [keyword] is very popular as a keyword on it's own. You'll find that keyword phrase in just about every niche.
      Up until September last year with the roll out of Google "Hummingbird" I would be right there with you. However, Hummer ( As I call it ) Is basically a bridge between how things are typed in, and the understanding of the content available. If you live in Seattle for instance you type "Italian Restaurant" Hummer is looking at many factors.... Location being one of them, it then produces results for "Seattle Italian Restaurants" and going even further and offering a map of "Local" in proximity restaurants.

      Relevance is another interesting variable. To the best of my knowledge ( Its not like the exactly list this stuff ) there is "Page" relevance, and "Site" relevance. Page relevance is obviously the words used / targeted on a single page. Site relevance, is looking at the over all picture. depending on the size of your site would play with the weight of each of these variables. a 160 page website on weight loss, each page being targeted relevant to weight loss, is going to carry far more weight than a 10 page site thrown together.

      Break that down further and the "Relevance" weight of any given keyword connection is going to factor the site, and the overall relevance of a single page. Pages developed and targeting exact match keywords ( stop words included ) can and in my experience DO play heavily.

      I used to in years past write content that dropped out the stop words. It was a better match to what google was looking for. Today with Hummer, that has changed.

      Like you mentioned, same page linking is a very good technique. Same site internal linking is a huge factor. I always suggest 2 internal text links to every page (Using Alt tags to your advantage when ever possible. ) and a solid outbound link on most every page. ( I personally use Wikipedia when ever possible for this. However good SEO youtube videos are even better - they generally have a link back to your page )

      Just a quick note. when using tags for text links you want the tag to match the page that it is going to. when using image tagging ( img alt - you want the keyword used I this to be the same as the page it is on )

      like I keep saying SEO is not Rocket science, but it is Science!
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Up until September last year with the roll out of Google "Hummingbird" I would be right there with you. However, Hummer ( As I call it ) Is basically a bridge between how things are typed in, and the understanding of the content available. If you live in Seattle for instance you type "Italian Restaurant" Hummer is looking at many factors.... Location being one of them, it then produces results for "Seattle Italian Restaurants" and going even further and offering a map of "Local" in proximity restaurants.
        That's still personalized SERPs, I don't consider that anything new.

        Google knew my ISP location years ago. They don't know my actual location because I'm on a desktop PC & my ISP is 50+ miles away. I get local results for the same city where my ISP is located, which is incorrect unless I want to pass 100 restaurants on the way to the restaurant Google thinks is local to me. If I was on a mobile phone, I'm sure they could easily pinpoint my location, the same as 911 triangulates a callers location with multiple cell towers.









        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Relevance is another interesting variable. To the best of my knowledge ( Its not like the exactly list this stuff ) there is "Page" relevance, and "Site" relevance. Page relevance is obviously the words used / targeted on a single page. Site relevance, is looking at the over all picture. depending on the size of your site would play with the weight of each of these variables. a 160 page website on weight loss, each page being targeted relevant to weight loss, is going to carry far more weight than a 10 page site thrown together.
        Sure Google categorizes sites, you can check a small sample with the related: search string, example, related:www.warriorforum.com

        I look at relevancy as all pages involved, either it's relevant or it's not, including inbound links/pages/domains.









        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        I used to in years past write content that dropped out the stop words. It was a better match to what google was looking for. Today with Hummer, that has changed.
        Google said Hummigbird was a big update but I haven't seen any drastic changes, even with Stop Words. There's always been some exceptions with Stop Words I still think the majority of those words are mostly ignored to speed up Googlebot crawling.












        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Like you mentioned, same page linking is a very good technique. Same site internal linking is a huge factor. I always suggest 2 internal text links to every page (Using Alt tags to your advantage when ever possible. ) and a solid outbound link on most every page. ( I personally use Wikipedia when ever possible for this. However good SEO youtube videos are even better - they generally have a link back to your page )
        I always aim to build small groups of internal pages (plus external links as needed) to help boost my money pages, it's old school & still works today.

        I don't mess with Youtube much, I have videos on YT but all I care about is the free bandwidth (lol).











        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Just a quick note. when using tags for text links you want the tag to match the page that it is going to. when using image tagging ( img alt - you want the keyword used I this to be the same as the page it is on )
        I'm not sure If that's a question or statement.

        I use image alt-text for whatever keyword I'm trying to rank for. The image alt-text will show up as plain text on the Google Cache (text version) unless the image is wrapped in a hyperlink tag, in that case the image-alt text will show up as anchor-text on the cache.

        I also build keyword anchor-text links pointing at my images If I want to rank the image. Images rank the same as web pages (links + text).
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  • Profile picture of the author affilorama-portal
    There are a lot of good suggestions here and I think that you can choose one (that you think is best and suits your preferences) as all of them has a good point. Like what others already mentioned, you need to use your target keyword within your title (as much as possible put the keyword as the first word in your title) then have this kw mentioned again on the first paragraph. I suggest that you also put the kw at the last paragraph of your content. Then with the rest, you can use variations.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    Originally Posted by FaisalKhan View Post

    Suppose, the keyword is "how much does a BMW car cost"?
    How do you make an optimized article? ...

    Thanks
    If the page meta title tag and H1 on the page has that phrase and the url has that phrase and the site has decent PR, then you should rank pretty well. Plus you will need some backlinks with anchor text variations like:

    bmw prices, bwm quotes, cost of bmw, price bmw and so on.

    Don't worry too much about key phrase density on the page.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      People, let me ask you a question; how many page 1 listings do you have? I didn't say #1 listings just a top 10 listing. Yukon and I laid out pretty clearly ( Yukon's was clearer than mine ) how to get this accomplished. You can say all you need to do is put it in the title, add an h1 and some relevant terms here and there and you will be good ( read the last line with a hint or sarcasm ) In most smaller niches and really long keywords this may work. but for how long?

      If you develop each and every page as if it is targeting a single word keyword. If you use the 2x text linking to every page, if you maximize all of the potential of EVERY page. your SEO will not just succeed, it will succeed over the long term.

      There is another thread put out yesterday and the discussion is about the cost of PPC and the cost of SEO. PPC obviously costs money SEO is relative terms is free with the exception of time. The more time you spend on SEO the less time you spend on the other things that bring you traffic. Doing it RIGHT the first time as it has been laid out here, almost ensures you do SEO once and forget about it. Granted there may be a tweek here and there, but not a scramble to figure out why your page is listed on page 3 now.

      You can muddle through and do the job, or you can take a bit more time, and do it right. If I build 2 sites on the same subject, one using the muddle method, and another using the formula to success as laid out in this thread, which one is going to rank better? This isn't Rocket Science, however, it is science.

      The exact same principles apply when you are blogging. Pre write your blog naturally. Look at the plausible keyword terms you used naturally. Now go in and see where you can run a solid keyword string into that text 5 times.

      Ill let you in on a little secret. I blog for a client. I have a list of their top 200 keywords sitting right in front of me. 1/3 of them have check marks next to them. Yes I have 66 or so TARGETED blog posts, working on 200. Each one of these are going to be cross linked, each one has images ( original images I might add, that are back linked from Pinterest, instagram etc ), each one has a outbound link.

      In EVERYTHING I do online, I follow the formula that was laid out in this thread. I do this because IT WORKS. I cant twist your arm, and hey if you dont pay attention, its better for the guy/gal that does! haha

      Hope that Helps!
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