Aged domains - question

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Hi all,

I am interested to buy a aged domain. When I read few posts here, my understanding is, you have to buy and register a domain before it is dropped a.k.a. expired.
If a domain is expired, and if I buy though the old domain was created several years ago, since I registered it today, the age resets to today.

I have a question on this. eg. Welcome to ASHOPPINGMALL.COM
When I checked via Domain tools, it shows:
- 3 registrars and 1 drop
- Created: 2005-09-25
Expires:
2014-09-25

Updated:
2014-01-11

My question is: if I buy this domain and register, as it shows 1 drop, does the created date stay at 2005 or resets to 2014-01-11 or 2014-01-18?

Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Freeman
    When I bought an 11 year old domain it showed the date I had registered it, but it is easy for people to do research on the wayback machine and see that it is an old domain.
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  • Profile picture of the author curious19
    When I checked this site Welcome to ASHOPPINGMALL.COM in waybackmachine, it shows an indexed page in 1997 June 28th. https://web.archive.org/web/20070201...oppingmall.com

    1) If this site is created in 2005, how come it is showing a page in 1997?
    2) If I want to buy an aged domain and want to keep the age, I am confused as I asked the question in the first post.
    Wayback machine can show archived/indexed page but the domain might have expired and then bought and registered by somebody else at which point it loses its age and shows the current date of registration. Am I misunderstanding this?

    Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by curious19 View Post

      When I checked this site Welcome to ASHOPPINGMALL.COM in waybackmachine, it shows an indexed page in 1997 June 28th. https://web.archive.org/web/20070201...oppingmall.com

      1) If this site is created in 2005, how come it is showing a page in 1997?
      2) If I want to buy an aged domain and want to keep the age, I am confused as I asked the question in the first post.
      Wayback machine can show archived/indexed page but the domain might have expired and then bought and registered by somebody else at which point it loses its age and shows the current date of registration. Am I misunderstanding this?

      Thank you.
      You can not register a domain name that was previously registered by another person and retain the original age of the domain name.
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      • Profile picture of the author curious19
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

        You can not register a domain name that was previously registered by another person and retain the original age of the domain name.
        Jeffrey,

        Say I buy from the current owner, and it is not expired but still active. Don't I keep the age? If not what exactly is "aged domain" and why we buy them instead of Expired domains?

        Thank you.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by curious19 View Post

          Jeffrey,

          Say I buy from the current owner, and it is not expired but still active. Don't I keep the age? If not what exactly is "aged domain" and why we buy them instead of Expired domains?

          Thank you.
          No. because as soon as you buy the domain the ownership of the domain would be transferred to your name.

          It is fine to buy expired and aged domains if you will use the domains for a number of good reasons. Some expired domains and aged domains may have been previously public domains with or without rank, so what you do with the domains determines the values of the domains.
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Curious19,

            I think you're putting too much hope in the fact that an aged domain is going to give you some kind of advantage. If it has a lot of back links in your niche, then there could be a reason to consider an old dropped domain.

            Otherwise, you are not going to see any advantage to picking up an aged domain. Typically PR falls quickly if your new site does not reflect relevance to the subject of the old site.

            In addition, the domain you are looking at does not have a very good name (it's long and not very brandable).

            If I were you, I would focus on picking up a short, brandable, relevant to your niche, dot com name and you won't be disappointed down the road.

            The best to you,

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        • Profile picture of the author fastreplies
          Originally Posted by curious19 View Post

          Say I buy from the current owner, and it is not expired but still active. Don't I keep the age? If not what exactly is "aged domain" and why we buy them instead of Expired domains?
          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          No. because as soon as you buy the domain the ownership of the domain would be transferred to your name.
          Nonsense, of course domain will be retaining it's age even if new owner will
          change content because as far as ICANN concern that domain continue to be
          owned by original owner even if it wasn't renewed during 40 days of grace
          period and 29 days of redemption period and only after 30 days when redemption
          is over and it's become available to the public only then new day of registration
          will be applied to that domain.



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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Yes, by default the expired domain is dropped from the registrar's database and will reflect the status dropped. However, in the event you are the original person that registered the domain and let it expire within the grace period to renew the domain then you have to email support and inform them to change the registrar record. I have to do it from time time to time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
    You buy them to retain the backlinks and PR, not the age.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by ZNICK View Post

      You buy them to retain the backlinks and PR, not the age.

      Z
      No, because all backlinks and PR of an expired domain are de-indexed.
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      • Profile picture of the author ZNICK
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

        No, because all backlinks and PR of an expired domain are de-indexed.
        No they're not. If I buy a PR3 domain at auction from the registrar and put a new site there, it KEEPS the PR as well as any backlinks. I'm in a group and we own hundreds of these. I am 200% positive...

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  • Profile picture of the author curious19
    Thank you all for the responses.

    Aged domains: we buy to keep backlinks and PR but not age
    Expired domains: no backlinks or pr juice as they are de-indexed.

    Steve, I am not buying this domain. It is Welcome to ASHOPPINGMALL.COM
    I am using it as an example to understand.

    But I haven't seen the answer to my question yet.

    When I checked via Domain tools for this domain, it shows:
    - 3 registrars and 1 drop
    - Created: 2005-09-25
    Expires:
    2014-09-25

    Updated:
    2014-01-11

    My question is: if I buy this domain and register today, as it shows 1 drop, does the created date stay at 2005 or resets to 2014-01-11 or 2014-01-18?

    Thank you.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    The create date would stay at 2005 if you bought it. Since you can find archives back to 1997 and the domain shows 1 drop, that drop happened sometime between 1997 and 2005.

    A domain will retain its age throughout the expiry process. If it is not renewed or purchased at auction then it falls back into the domain pool. The 'dropped' domain is now available to anyone at any registrar.

    If someone finds it available and buys it after this point it is a 'new' domain with a new age showing another drop. This would be a 'new' domain with a new 'creation date'.

    A 'drop' is the period between ownership when the domain is in the public pool.

    If a domain has drops, the 'creation date' is the date of registration after the last drop. And the age would be calculated from there.

    You don't want aged domains with too many drops in their history.

    Having said that, Google may age domains their own way and not rely on ICANN. After all, they have records of the domain in their own archives independent of ICANN records.

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    • Profile picture of the author curious19
      Thank you Onsubie and Fastreplies.

      As you can see in this thread, there is so much confusion on this.

      You answered my question, that the creation is 2005 after one drop.

      Just to make sure I got this right,
      - Say I find a domain available in Godaddy auctions, and Domaintools show that its creation date is 2005, I keep that age when I buy via auction even though I buy and register in 2014. Right?
      - Someone mentioned, even though the creation date is 2005, after I register it goes to current date....how to find that this won't happen with a particular domain I am interested in?

      Some explanation will definitely help a lot of people who read this thread.

      Also if I am buying aged domains at Godaddy, what is the process like step by step to do this.

      Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author onSubie
        Originally Posted by curious19 View Post

        - Say I find a domain available in Godaddy auctions, and Domaintools show that its creation date is 2005, I keep that age when I buy via auction even though I buy and register in 2014. Right?
        Yes.

        - Someone mentioned, even though the creation date is 2005, after I register it goes to current date....how to find that this won't happen with a particular domain I am interested in?
        This won't happen if you by an aged domain in an auction. You are not registering the domain. You are buying it from another registered owner who then transfers ownership to you.

        If a domain is really dropped it would not show up in searches for aged domains (it doesn't exist) and it could be registered anywhere namecheap, godaddy any other registrar.

        There are thousands of websites in the wayback machine whose domains expired long ago and were never renewed.

        Edit:
        Just to mention.

        Usually you keep most of the backlinks because those links are pointed at the main domain. All the links pointing to the-main-domain.com will still point there after the sale/transfer.

        Links to the-main-domain.com/2005/topics/my-old-article will still exist but they will be broken links on whatever site has them. Some sites clean up broken links others leave them forever.

        If you do find backlinks to an inner page like that you can keep the value of the link by either recreating content at the URL (it doesn't have to be the same content but the url has to be the same) or using a '404 not found' redirect plugin.

        Links don't suddenly disappear from the internet unless a webmaster updates his site and if they are not broken links when crawled by Google they still get counted.

        Mahlon
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        • Profile picture of the author angel man
          Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

          Yes.

          This won't happen if you by an aged domain in an auction. You are not registering the domain. You are buying it from another registered owner who then transfers ownership to you.

          If a domain is really dropped it would not show up in searches for aged domains (it doesn't exist) and it could be registered anywhere namecheap, godaddy any other registrar.

          Mahlon
          Nice, this is a good topic.
          - so if I find a domain in auction, it won't lose its age.
          - when the owner transfers the ownership, you keep ownership and then when renewal time comes, you renew and keep the age?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    You can not register a domain name that was previously registered by another person and retain the original age of the domain name.
    I have bought domains from Godaddy auctions that have never dropped their original date. I think the registrar still owns the domain during the grace period, and if the owner does not renew, you have an option to purchase before it goes for deletion.

    I have 15 year old domains that have me as the owner, and have the original creation date.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainscience
    The saying is that Bing.com loves aged domains.
    Having said that, sometimes whey you buy, the age reverts to the date of purchase.
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