My Private Blog Network Is Not Working!!

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Hello Fellow Warriors

I need some help from you, the gifted SEO minds of the warrior forum. Over the past month I have invested about $1000 dollars in building my own private blog network, I have spent many hours training on this subject, I have bought a lot of courses but mainly piggy backing off Alex Becker's training over at source wave.

I watched all his videos and joined his Infinitum course, which mainly consist of blog network training. I think he's training is very good, not knocking him but he never goes into the actually buying and setting up the domain's after the domain's are bought in auction and transferred to you.

Now I believe right off the back I screwed up and didn't even see the screw up coming. Might be very obvious to most, but not to me. I believe I started off with footprints as I am not seeing any results and its been more then 2 weeks since I have built them.

I did see an initial bump after my first two blog network links, it was actually a great boost it jumped to the 2nd page, granted the keyword is easy according to ultimate niche finder, but I really feel the keyword falls into the medium difficulty range.

I thought all my troubles were over after years of SEO, Thinking I have finally ranked a $50 to $100 dollar a day money site. But the SEO gods decided it was not yet my time.

After my initial boost I setup 4 more of these bad boys truly believing page one was going to hit. Now its been more then 10 days later and my keyword decided to go the other way, to the bottom of page 3. The signs of diminishing returns from what I have read, so there has to be a footprint somewhere and I believe now it was right at the beginning of my process.

I bought the domains on go daddy auction, I have a go daddy auction account and a go daddy hosting account. The domains were all bought different times and different days, not all but most. So when I won the domain it would transfer into my go daddy account, I didn't set up hosting in go daddy as I would log in to the domain control and change the name servers to a new host, I also bought privacy for all domains, some times though I would wait a day or two to change the host.

Now when the domain transferred into my go daddy account did that leave the dreaded footprint?

I have 2 domains per host, privacy protection, different themes, different plugins, 100 percent unique content, some have about me, privacy pages, contact etc.. but all at random. Everything is 100 percent text book training except for when I bought them and they transferred into my go daddy account.

As well as each blog in my network is ranking from page 1 to page 3 for the title I gave them which makes me feel there all healthy sites.

these blog network sites were not on topic, but I made them on topic with original on topic content related to my money site, titles, meta etc..

they all have the all in one SEO plugin but there are only so few blogs in my network I don't think that should be the problem, my plugins are not 100 percent the same for all but pretty close, my network is so small I don't think that should be an issue for a tissue.

So my question is to my fellow warriors is there a footprint from the domains transferring into my go daddy account? or do you see something else wrong with my process.

any help would be greatly appreciated
#alex becker #blog #network #private #working
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    There is no footprint by the accounts being in GoDaddy.

    The real problem is that you probably bought domains that were not that strong.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    'Invested' $1,000. That's funny You spent $1,000 based on your 'learnings' from Source Wave. There's no guarantee you'll ever get a return on this spend.
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    • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      'Invested' $1,000. That's funny You spent $1,000 based on your 'learnings' from Source Wave. There's no guarantee you'll ever get a return on this spend.
      $1000 dollar investment in trial and error lol
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      • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
        Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

        $1000 dollar investment in trial and error lol
        It happens. I think you need to give a little more time for this strategy to unfold. Even if Google finds all the links, it doesn't mean they'll count them towards ranking on day one.

        They've gotten a lot trickier about 'delays' so that people can't always be sure what effect their tactics are having.
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      • Profile picture of the author celente
        Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

        $1000 dollar investment in trial and error lol
        testing and tracking, without this we are not really marketers are we??
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
    You might not be doing anything wrong at all - sounds as though you have set up your domains ok (the ebook in my sig details the entire process I go through).

    Have you checked the cache of your expired domains to check that the new content/site/links have actually be indexed? I sometimes find that, depending on the number and strength of the backlinks, it can take a while for the changes on the domains to get indexed.

    I also find with my network that there is sometimes a slight lag between adding links and seeing results. It is not as instant as Alex Becker makes out (I'm surprised his Infinitum training doesn't go into these details for the price you pay!).
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    • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
      Originally Posted by Steve Waller View Post

      You might not be doing anything wrong at all - sounds as though you have set up your domains ok (the ebook in my sig details the entire process I go through).

      Have you checked the cache of your expired domains to check that the new content/site/links have actually be indexed? I sometimes find that, depending on the number and strength of the backlinks, it can take a while for the changes on the domains to get indexed.

      I also find with my network that there is sometimes a slight lag between adding links and seeing results. It is not as instant as Alex Becker makes out (I'm surprised his Infinitum training doesn't go into these details for the price you pay!).
      Ty Steve

      I downloaded the ebook look forward to reading it

      just curious how long does it take to see the link juice once the site has been crawled?

      I have noticed it takes 3 to 7 days to crawl, maybe I just have to wait a little bit longer

      it is true becker's training says like 24 hours to 3 days, maybe that's why I feel so thrown off

      his courses and free training is very good tho, some of his training might be a little bit off from other things I have read but its all headed towards the right direction, to the bank either to file for bankruptcy or to pick up a nice big check :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
        Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

        Ty Steve

        I downloaded the ebook look forward to reading it

        just curious how long does it take to see the link juice once the site has been crawled?

        I have noticed it takes 3 to 7 days to crawl, maybe I just have to wait a little bit longer

        it is true becker's training says like 24 hours to 3 days, maybe that's why I feel so thrown off

        his courses and free training is very good tho, some of his training might be a little bit off from other things I have read but its all headed towards the right direction, to the bank either to file for bankruptcy or to pick up a nice big check :rolleyes:
        Well there is no exact answer to how long it takes. I once did a little case study on a brand new web 2.0 page (targeted at a Clickbank product name) and pointed around 10 homepage links at it gradually over the space of a few weeks.

        At first I was really disappointed with the results as it was down at the bottom of page 2/ top of page 3 but then all of a sudden one day it popped up into position 4 on page 1. It has pretty much remained there (currently #5) and has made me commissions each month since.

        How old is the site you are pointing the links at? You say you feel the keyword is medium competition - what sort of sites are you up against?
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        • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
          Originally Posted by Steve Waller View Post

          Well there is no exact answer to how long it takes. I once did a little case study on a brand new web 2.0 page (targeted at a Clickbank product name) and pointed around 10 homepage links at it gradually over the space of a few weeks.

          At first I was really disappointed with the results as it was down at the bottom of page 2/ top of page 3 but then all of a sudden one day it popped up into position 4 on page 1. It has pretty much remained there (currently #5) and has made me commissions each month since.

          How old is the site you are pointing the links at? You say you feel the keyword is medium competition - what sort of sites are you up against?
          my site is only about two months old, it might be an easy niche as I don't see any real big brands ranking just a lot of decent authority bloggers with only a few links.

          I'm happy to hear that im doing everything somewhat on par so I guess ill just keep building my network, maybe I just got to give it time.

          I look forward to reading your ebook thank you for the download
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

        not knocking him but he never goes into the actually buying and setting up the domain's after the domain's are bought in auction and transferred to you.
        Thats the failure of almost all the training out there now (mine which at the moment is not available was half about that.)

        I have noticed it takes 3 to 7 days to crawl, maybe I just have to wait a little bit longer

        it is true becker's training says like 24 hours to 3 days, maybe that's why I feel so thrown off
        Tell Beck MA says Hi and that he should stop hitting the liquor bar so hard. Bottom line is you have nothing to worry about yet. It takes weeks on many occasions (months on some) for you to see lasting results. Way back when you could put some PR3 inks on page and voila get fast results. Everything is slower now. However I should add that it appears Google is limiting the effects by algos and that those algos focus on how thin and low quality network sites are traditionally setup.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          However I should add that it appears Google is limiting the effects by algos and that those algos focus on how thin and low quality network sites are traditionally setup.
          I guess Google will be working hard to try and negate the effectiveness of private blog networks and targeting the way they are traditionally setup seems like a good way to begin attacking them.

          This is where lots of people go wrong; they do not see the true value that is inherent in a well developed, properly guarded blog network. They think too short term and thus are not prepared to spend the time or money required to bulk out a network site with sufficient content (including relevant rich media).

          They also (in my opinion at least) rape and pillage each site with way too many money site links.
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        • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Thats the failure of almost all the training out there now (mine which at the moment is not available was half about that.)

          Tell Beck MA says Hi and that he should stop hitting the liquor bar so hard. Bottom line is you have nothing to worry about yet. It takes weeks on many occasions (months on some) for you to see lasting results. Way back when you could put some PR3 inks on page and voila get fast results. Everything is slower now. However I should add that it appears Google is limiting the effects by algos and that those algos focus on how thin and low quality network sites are traditionally setup.
          Ty Mike for your info, I hear great things about your training. Look forward to buying it when it releases
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          • Profile picture of the author JJPerkins
            Just want to agree with those who said everything is taking longer now, definitely true.

            Plus, you didn't do 12 exact match anchors did you? That's not Beckers way.

            The best thing about Infinitum is the forum, if you have only been watching the replays you ought to spend some time in the forum too.
            Some of the video info is outdated and you'll get the most up to date and detailed guides on the forum. Some of the other participants are amazing SEOs and for me there's been more value in the threads there than the webinars!
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            • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
              Originally Posted by JJPerkins View Post

              Just want to agree with those who said everything is taking longer now, definitely true.

              Plus, you didn't do 12 exact match anchors did you? That's not Beckers way.

              The best thing about Infinitum is the forum, if you have only been watching the replays you ought to spend some time in the forum too.
              Some of the video info is outdated and you'll get the most up to date and detailed guides on the forum. Some of the other participants are amazing SEOs and for me there's been more value in the threads there than the webinars!
              no I did all beckers tiger anchor text methods, ya I need to really go deep into the forums, good stuff
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              • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

                no I did all beckers tiger anchor text methods, ya I need to really go deep into the forums, good stuff
                Dude..When a method is named something like "Tiger Hidden Shadow Punch"

                You know your in fantasy comic book land.
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                • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
                  Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                  Dude..When a method is named something like "Tiger Hidden Shadow Punch"

                  You know your in fantasy comic book land.
                  lol its actually awesome amazing ninja tiger method
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                • Profile picture of the author dennis09
                  Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                  Dude..When a method is named something like "Tiger Hidden Shadow Punch"

                  You know your in fantasy comic book land.
                  Oh boy, wait until you hear about the Dragon Silo
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          However I should add that it appears Google is limiting the effects by algos and that those algos focus on how thin and low quality network sites are traditionally setup.
          I think you have a legit point here, I see it more and more that at a certain point it looks like you reach a stop, and if you keep continuing in the same setup the rankings slowly degrade.

          Hot item that I'm busy with right now to prevent that from happening.

          Few solutions, more tiered approaches, higher relevancy (I think that also plays a role here), 301's.

          What I hate about tiered approaches is that if I want to rank one client more and I build a link from my tier 2 network to my tier 1 network that all the rest of the clients also profit from that tiered link and that it's not solely beneficial for the client (due to site structure / categories / recent posts links etc).

          Obvious this can be limited by not showing the sidebar on post level but still.
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  • Profile picture of the author jezter6
    It's taken google about a month to finally show backlinks of some of my own domains in WMT, so I wouldn't doubt it could take a few weeks for those sites to get crawled + indexed and backlinks counted properly.
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      Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post

      It's taken google about a month to finally show backlinks of some of my own domains in WMT, so I wouldn't doubt it could take a few weeks for those sites to get crawled + indexed and backlinks counted properly.
      WMT is usually very slow at updating data.

      Check to see If the backlink page Google Cache (text version) includes your backlink. That's enough proof Google has found a link, which will usually happen faster than WMT data being updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author stodog77
    ^^Exactly, give it time bro. Two weeks isn't nearly enough time. Usually what I do is let them marinate for 3-6 months, let them grow some authority before I start dropping any links on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
      Originally Posted by stodog77 View Post

      ^^Exactly, give it time bro. Two weeks isn't nearly enough time. Usually what I do is let them marinate for 3-6 months, let them grow some authority before I start dropping any links on them.
      This is the whole point of buying domains for a blog network to begin with. They already have authority. Otherwise the OP would just purchase a brand new domain and go from there.
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    How many sites have you PBN?
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      You have been doing it for a month or less, and you are ready to
      declare success or failure? How much juice do you really think brand
      new sites will give each other in a month? Come back in 12 months,
      after developing, expanding, writing, linking, etc.

      Did anyone sell you info and say it was going to work in a couple of
      weeks? That was bad info.

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      • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        You have been doing it for a month or less, and you are ready to
        declare success or failure? How much juice do you really think brand
        new sites will give each other in a month? Come back in 12 months,
        after developing, expanding, writing, linking, etc.

        Did anyone sell you info and say it was going to work in a couple of
        weeks? That was bad info.

        Paul
        no the domains I bought for my pbn are all aged with authority pr 2's. 3's and 4's. Money site is only 2 months old tho. Yes the training said 24 hours to 3 days to get the results. Maybe it was an old video, but I thought for sure I did something wrong according to the training.
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        • Profile picture of the author Aztral
          Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post

          no the domains I bought for my pbn are all aged with authority pr 2's. 3's and 4's. Money site is only 2 months old tho. Yes the training said 24 hours to 3 days to get the results. Maybe it was an old video, but I thought for sure I did something wrong according to the training.
          Part of this could be is that your money site is only 2 months old - as Becker points out, new site take longer to gain traction, and even then the momentum is slower. Your site likely isn't "trusted" yet, that takes time
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          • Profile picture of the author bgr
            Lots of reason I think most have already mentioned. The one thing you should also consider is perhaps your content is not what people want.

            Also traffic out there comes from lots of places. Look for non google traffic.

            I also suggest use stumbleupon. You should use it to get an idea of what sites work. The other thing I have found out that works well is advertise there as we'll.

            Do not worry about the traffic. It helps in a few ways. Makes sure you site can handle traffic though before you pay them. You may get 100 visits in a few minutes with them. The reason I like the advertising is you can see if people like your content.

            I ran a few pages through it. Some pages performed well above 80% likes while others I thought were great receive less then 50% . I wrote more articles that matched the higher performers and my click rate and traffic doubled. So it was money well spent for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

      You have been doing it for a month or less, and you are ready to
      declare success or failure? How much juice do you really think brand
      new sites will give each other in a month? Come back in 12 months,
      after developing, expanding, writing, linking, etc.

      Did anyone sell you info and say it was going to work in a couple of
      weeks? That was bad info.

      Paul
      Originally Posted by logyko View Post

      How many sites have you PBN?
      I have 12 aged decent authority domains on 6 different host via go daddy name server switch
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    You invested (burnt) $1000 buying into a training course from someone who is not qualified to train.

    Blog networks are for losers...
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  • Profile picture of the author alerrandre
    Originally Posted by nexblanc01 View Post


    After my initial boost I setup 4 more of these bad boys truly believing page one was going to hit. Now its been more then 10 days later and my keyword decided to go the other way, to the bottom of page 3. The signs of diminishing returns from what I have read, so there has to be a footprint somewhere and I believe now it was right at the beginning of my process..
    Have you ever hunt a deer dude ?

    2 pr links in a short period of time is ok, but 6 pr links with exact/relevant anchor text is a big red flag.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by alerrandre View Post

      Have you ever hunt a deer dude ?

      2 pr links in a short period of time is ok, but 6 pr links with exact/relevant anchor text is a big red flag.
      Since when?

      Sorry, but you are wrong on that one.
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      • Profile picture of the author alerrandre
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Since when?

        Sorry, but you are wrong on that one.
        Sorry I didn't knew You work for google

        1000 links a day is a good star ?
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      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Yeah!! FECK FEES!!! ...wait, where am I again? :p
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    Maybe your domains were not strong enough? Or it's just taking more time to get results?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by yoangov View Post

      Maybe your domains were not strong enough? Or it's just taking more time to get results?
      Maybe the guide misleaded him with mis-information overload. And he ended up not buying good domains at all, but a big pile of dunghole. Stuff aint never going to rank nada.

      I haven't seen the buyuggbootsoutlet.info domains about lately. Someones buying a whole lot of dung.
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  • Profile picture of the author seamy82
    Becker's approach to content is a bit weak and I don't think you should really be putting 3 links from a single article to a single domain. His sites are way too thin. One spun article, one pic and one video. It's very easy for Google to update its algorithm to include a min content amount value. PR 4 site with one page and 5 links is never going to be legit. I doubt you will get negative SEO for this but I doubt anything positive. Changing the niche of a domain too much is also not great. It needs to have some sort of connection.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
      Originally Posted by seamy82 View Post

      Becker's approach to content is a bit weak and I don't think you should really be putting 3 links from a single article to a single domain. His sites are way too thin. One spun article, one pic and one video. It's very easy for Google to update its algorithm to include a min content amount value. PR 4 site with one page and 5 links is never going to be legit. I doubt you will get negative SEO for this but I doubt anything positive. Changing the niche of a domain too much is also not great. It needs to have some sort of connection.
      I agree that think sites like Becker's are asking for trouble in the long run although they probably work for now so fair play to him.

      I would just remember to see the true value that you are building up; scrimping and saving a few bucks here and there on content writing is a bad choice.
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      • Profile picture of the author JJPerkins
        Originally Posted by seamy82 View Post

        Becker's approach to content is a bit weak and I don't think you should really be putting 3 links from a single article to a single domain. His sites are way too thin. One spun article, one pic and one video. It's very easy for Google to update its algorithm to include a min content amount value. PR 4 site with one page and 5 links is never going to be legit. I doubt you will get negative SEO for this but I doubt anything positive. Changing the niche of a domain too much is also not great. It needs to have some sort of connection.
        Originally Posted by Steve Waller View Post

        I agree that think sites like Becker's are asking for trouble in the long run although they probably work for now so fair play to him.

        I would just remember to see the true value that you are building up; scrimping and saving a few bucks here and there on content writing is a bad choice.
        Agreed that 3 links to one domain might be a bit much, personally I only do 2 on my pbn.

        But the rest? Don't know where that info has come from.
        Some confusion with test sites perhaps.
        The emphasis is on building your pbn sites up into *true authority* style sites, to gain the most oomph from your links.

        Of course that takes time and effort, which is sometimes in short supply it seems!

        Don't see how genuinely private networks can ever be discounted, until G stops counting links at all anyway!
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    • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
      Originally Posted by seamy82 View Post

      Becker's approach to content is a bit weak and I don't think you should really be putting 3 links from a single article to a single domain. His sites are way too thin. One spun article, one pic and one video. It's very easy for Google to update its algorithm to include a min content amount value. PR 4 site with one page and 5 links is never going to be legit. I doubt you will get negative SEO for this but I doubt anything positive. Changing the niche of a domain too much is also not great. It needs to have some sort of connection.
      what I am doing now is building backlinks to these domains with the new on topic, so to speak. Wonder if that can make a change. Might as well as I got the domains anyway. As well as I think I made my pbn way to thin they only have a 600 plus article with an about me and contact, so I will build like a 4 to 5 page site and link build to all those, add more articles as I go

      I will post the results as time goes by

      all you guys rock ty for the help
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    I have 2 domains per host, privacy protection, different themes, different plugins, 100 percent unique content, some have about me, privacy pages, contact etc.. but all at random. Everything is 100 percent text book training except for when I bought them and they transferred into my go daddy account.
    What type of host you are using? Multiple shared host?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesse Kemper
    Yeah definitely give it more time. I also agree that you may have just bought junk domains. Try to do more research before investing in more domains.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aztral
      Don't think you ever answered the question about what you mean by "medium" competition niche?

      By watching the Becker videos (thinking of trying Infinitum too) he ranks really low-competition niches by throwing a few PR4 - 3 at them.

      Could it be that your competition is toward the high end of the medium scale? Maybe you're needing more link juice?
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  • Profile picture of the author Aztral
    I prefer "Diamond Finger Stealth Ranking" - but that's just me
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  • Profile picture of the author daver123
    Just to let you know, I purchased the seozen plug in on Dec 7th By Dec 10 I still could not get it to work. Kept getting error messages. Thru much time wasted, them telling me thru their support that they are working on fixing it, it still does not work. I asked for my money back on about the 12th and many times after that. Even though they claim to have a 30 day money back guarantee if you don't like the results you get, (in my case it never worked, still doesn't work and still getting error messages) they refused to refund us. I am going thru the pay pal resolutions and my credit card company to get our money back. they claim there are numerous claims against them.
    Why am I telling you this? Just don't want to see anyone else throw good money away for a faulty plug in and have to waste precious time trying to get it to work only to find out their money back guarantee is totally worthless.
    Yes, I will be starting a blog ( seozen scam) in the next few days to warn others of the scam Alex Cass Mo Miah and Alex Becker the front man are pulling.
    Also, if you are a member of warrior forum you will see they have duped a number of people
    Actually, I was going to purchase Video Vantage, but no way now. My goal is to make sure others don't get duped by these people.
    Cheers
    Here are the 3 people (scammers in my mind) involved with SEOZEN and Moe Miah is the same developer with Video Vantage
    Alex Cass
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  • Profile picture of the author jlxseo
    I know I'm late to this, but spending $1,000 on basically learning isn't a good idea.

    In the last two weeks I've built a small PR1-3 PBN for under $250 - all good domains with clean SEO that I'm also now selling blog posts on (well, before Digital Point went crappy started charging for link threads - but I have other ways of selling posts). So, really it's paying for itself while I use to force other sites up... another strategy Alex advises.

    Alex is amazing, and his stuff is definitely gold - but he does stuff so bare-bones a lot of time you kinda have to fill int he blanks. It's great stuff if you have some common sense or previous experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author DiggitySEO
    A few things come to mind as I've been going through your thread. Over the years, I've gotten into a few cases of diminishing returns with PBN links and have found a few ways out of them.

    - How clean are the backlink profiles for your PBN sites? Many times a PBN site can be 'poisonous' to your money site. The main indicator of this is the PBN's anchor text distribution. But you should also look at the sites linking in. Are there .ru domains? Are they mostly directory links and blog comments? If you suspect that a site might have been causing the decrease in ranking, wait 14 days (as to not trigger the random documents algorithm) and remove it. If it was hurting you, you can still use the PBN as a Tier 2 to link to a web 2.0 pointed at your money site.

    - What kind of anchor text are you sending in? Depending on if youre a brand URL or EMD, you want to have the right distribution. I've been getting a lot of mileage in the last year by using synonyms. If you're dead in the water for your target keyword, try using long tail synonyms of it as your anchor text.

    - Maybe this has nothing to do with your PBN at all. Review your on-site SEO. I'm not saying this is you, but many clients come to me with highly over optimized pages. Let's use 'dog training' as an example. Onpage, someone might only have 2 instances of the phrase 'dog training', but 'dog' is used 40 times and 'training' is used 30 times. This is definitely over-optimized. The words don't need to be together to trigger Panda.

    Other than this, in 2014 typically it takes between 7-10 days to see the full PBN effect on your money site's SERP ranking. Take this into consideration.

    Hope this helps.

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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Anton
    Not to completely get off topic but you are promoting a tier link building WSO sure fire guide yet you are lost when it comes to rankings. A PBN should be used as an ace in the hole, i.e. you are on page 2 but want to get to 1, not necessarily your entire strategy as it is more or less a house of cards even though it's effective.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    No one can say what the real problem is without taking a look at it.

    The possible causes are:

    1. You acquired a poor domain. It might be PR5 but not worth anything. There are lots of scammers selling fake PR domains.

    2. Improper setup - You probably have set it up wrongly after the domain transfer was completed and the relevant links were removed by the webmaster for irrelevance.

    3. You are using SEO hosting.

    4. Too many OBL.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      3. You are using SEO hosting.
      SEO hosting does not make a network ineffective.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      No one can say what the real problem is without taking a look at it.

      The possible causes are:

      1. You acquired a poor domain. It might be PR5 but not worth anything. There are lots of scammers selling fake PR domains.

      2. Improper setup - You probably have set it up wrongly after the domain transfer was completed and the relevant links were removed by the webmaster for irrelevance.

      3. You are using SEO hosting.

      4. Too many OBL.
      What can you setup wrong about a domain?

      I repurpose all my domains so they are all irrelevant, still most links stay in place.

      What do you do? Restore the old site from wayback machine and wait for copyright infrigment claims?
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  • Profile picture of the author watkip
    How is it turning out at the very moment? Positive results?

    Private registar on all domains?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      So who bumped an old thread?

      Guys heres the deal as far as I see it. There either has been or will be an algo update affecting PBNs. Since Google can't just slap all WP sites they are and have been going after the patterns . The number one thing none of us can really handle is content. I have seen hundreds of networks from others or my students and include my own and you know what?

      All of them INCLUDING mine has a big HUGE content issue. We like to talk up a good game and when I had less sites I did better but lets face it - Putting up enough non spun non gibberish content is a BEAST. 97% or more sites have a little content or short articles with links in almost every post and yeah the LSI on those suckers must be a doozy of confusion given the different subjects.

      Its a footprint. Not for deindexing but for an algo.

      Two years ago you could put three or four PR3s and woooops! things just took off like a rocket in almost any serp. Not so anymore. You see a bounce (after a much longer time) and then a shake and then a dip backdown.

      Sooo I am going about converting my network sites into real sites. what about content? Well I'll have to give up some space to writers who want links. the link juice loss is negligible anyway. I increase the life of my sites, can perhaps monetize them (not with footprint kind of monetizations), use them for white hat link building leverage etc etc

      Most of the sites I see today just can't stand whats coming and would be deindexed TODAY if a report was given in. Some may disagree but I think alot of the low content networks are already suffering form an algo change and Google is just going to turn that up and add more.

      You can kid yourself that your content isn't see through but the average team of 1- 4 can't really handle real quality content past 10-20 sites We including me have been kidding ourselves and its going to bite us in the rear if it has not already...traditional networks and buying of aged domains has to be something google tries to do something about sooner than later (those on the fence better get off it if you want to be able to build one through auctions)

      Plus....ummm.... hasn't Google been quiet for a looooooong time?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        One of the reasons why I'm getting involved in 301's, that doesn't require any content at all.

        We can go 2 ways here, redirecting high PR domains, although my first test (after 3 days) show a drop of 5-10 positions for all keywords, I think it kills the relevance when a ton of non relevant anchors get forwarded to a site about a complete different topic.

        The other way is:

        1) Find an aged domain that expired, that IS relevant to the niche
        2) Use the high PR network to link build to that aged domain with relevant anchors obvious

        Then setup the redirect and it should be good to go (this is what all the blackhat spammers do although they build massive spam links like comments / guestbooks etc) instead of solid high PR links.

        Both methods don't require any involvement of content, sure it go's back to the level of the private network behind it, but if you need let's say 60 high PR links to rank something and you can point 30 at the money site and 30 at a redirect then you already decreased footprints by 50%.

        What I see, as I stated in another post, is that it has been adjusted to a level where you can do x posts and after that it starts to degrade, so this would be a solution at this point.

        What I also witnessed earlier and presently with clients, affiliate site buying clients and my own sites that we see a steady grow of rankings for the first 40 or so high PR blog posts (based on short pieces, 100 words) and after that it hardly seems to have an effect.

        Turning 400+ sites into full fledged authority styled sites is obvious not doable for me! Even when attempting it would only be a half ass job.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          What I did was one of my niche relevant sites in the home improvement niche.

          1) Silo'd the categories
          2) Interlinked the posts in the categories
          3) Gave it a nice styled theme
          4) Build 12 relevant links from dropped domains (the ones you buy for $10/each).
          5) Posts are published as full width (no sidebar)

          The relevant links are just one page sites btw, but linking to post level.

          Site is now doing 25 unique visitors per day from Google, total 50 cause of direct traffic from old links.

          Which post attracts most of the traffic? A 600 word post with sub headings and decent layout.

          Site used to be about software, now about home improvement.

          But this is not doable to scale up, as my network would have to be 3-4 times the size then now to make it all niche relevant and in turn linking out to the same clients from a smaller set of sites is also leaving footprints.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          it, but if you need let's say 60 high PR links to rank something and you can point 30 at the money site and 30 at a redirect then you already decreased footprints by 50%.
          Its late and I have had a long day so maybe I missing something but on the face of what I am reading I don't get how you think overdoing 301s is not a footprint in and of itself
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Its late and I have had a long day so maybe I missing something but on the face of what I am reading I don't get how you think overdoing 301s is not a footprint in and of itself
            I talk about one single 301 redirect with 30 perm high PR blog posts pointed at it. That's not really over doing, that's just limiting the amount of posts pointed at a client site.

            For the record, 60 high PR blog posts (mostly PR3-PR4 and half stickied on homepage) are often enough to rank a client for medium competitive search terms and keep them there.

            Overdoing would be like 6 redirects with high PR links pointed at each of them. Will obvious bring GREAT results but probably a short term solution.
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      • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        The number one thing none of us can really handle is content. I have seen hundreds of networks from others or my students and include my own and you know what?

        All of them INCLUDING mine has a big HUGE content issue. We like to talk up a good game and when I had less sites I did better but lets face it - Putting up enough non spun non gibberish content is a BEAST. 97% or more sites have a little content or short articles with links in almost every post and yeah the LSI on those suckers must be a doozy of confusion given the different subjects.
        I agree with you. Delivering mass amounts of un-spun "real" content is a major time sink. I wouldn't even call it difficult. If you are a decent copywriter (which isnt hard to become if you write enough and have a decent grasp on whatever language you are working with) then you can go a long way.

        But it still takes time....

        I have a site with 1600+ pages indexed into G. 80% of it is my own content. The other 20% from reposting (with link credit) and submitted contents (for links). It took over a year to get that much content online. I could have grinded it harder but lets say I worked every single day on this one. How much time would I save? Half? Still a lot of time...for just one site.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I agree with Mike (edit: Niko also made some great points right before I posted this).

    Content is and always will be a major issue. I don't own my own network (I rent or buy network links) and I've seen a lot of changes over the last 6 months.

    Back in the day keywords use to BLAZE right through the SERPS trampling everything in its way till they hit #1.

    These days... its completely different. I have a site that shot up to page 2 after 6 weeks, got stuck there for 4 weeks, went up to page 1 for 1 week, bounced back down to page 2, stayed there for 6 weeks... and right now keywords are are starting to slip down to page 3.

    Its the most f**ked up shit I've ever seen before.

    The only problem I can think of is like Mike said, >>> content.
    There is NEVER enough of it.

    And there are likely other patterns that Google is targeting.

    But I'm curious Mike, if you're going to convert your network sites to regular sites... how exactly are you going to rank those sites?

    To deal with the content issue, I've had to change the way I work. These days I go rent OLD library books about my niche, then transcribe the content using a mic. I don't copy word for word I just pick parts, change words and try to bulk my sites out as much as possible.

    But that doesn't fix the fact that I don't own the sites I'm getting links from. So while Mike is busy converting from network sites to normal sites, I'm getting ready to stop renting / buying network links and am going to build my own private network. And I'm going to do it the hard way. HUGE sites, full of content. I'll pay someone to do nothing but transcribe content all day long if I need to. Because at the end of the day, I still have to rank. And I still can't think of any better way to rank a site other than network links (thats not true, Niko made a great point about 301 redirects).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

      But I'm curious Mike, if you're going to convert your network sites to regular sites... how exactly are you going to rank those sites?
      Have no great desire to. There are regulars sites on page 20. Mind you I don't think I am going to be able to do them all (have a few hundred right now) but enough so that I have a cache that will be real enough. Writers willing to create great content and who are looking for exposure and links why not give them some. Its a trade off.

      Now instantly I know a few people who whine about diluting their network's juice. I have one customer I am building a 100 site network for. He strips out every single site I give him. footer sidebar on and on. I can only think he thinks he is increasing juice (making the sites look as obvious as can be in the process). Heres the thing though. As you do serp research and check backlinks of organic sites they get links from sites that have lots of links if you include sidebar and navigation etc. They also link out plenty. When you buy domains you see the same on the links. Hoarding link juice does nothing much but then again my own OBL is low anyway by design.

      The only issue is interfacing with writers and others but I am making good progress on that front in a way that will gain me additional exposure and or links -- in just the way google says they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben Acharyaa
    I dont know but i think Alex's blog is pure comedy. Coming straight from his blog post:

    I AM BOLDING THIS AND PUTTING IT IN RED BECAUSE ITS VERY VERY IMPORTANT :rolleyes:

    Here is my criteria for PR domains. Feel totally free to break this, as I do all the time. These are simply my best practices to be 100% safe

    PR 3 – 100+ links

    Pr 4 – 800+ links

    Pr 5 – 1500+ links
    And Alex says a vet can get PR5 domains for $150 a pop. I'd honestly love to know the secret alex as I never see PR4's in that range.
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    • Profile picture of the author jlxseo
      Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa View Post

      I dont know but i think Alex's blog is pure comedy. Coming straight from his blog post:

      I AM BOLDING THIS AND PUTTING IT IN RED BECAUSE ITS VERY VERY IMPORTANT :rolleyes:



      And Alex says a vet can get PR5 domains for $150 a pop. I'd honestly love to know the secret alex as I never see PR4's in that range.
      I regularly see PR3's for almost $200.

      It must work, because he's able to do it over and over again, but his numbers for picking up domains are way low for the actual world.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by jlxseo View Post

        I regularly see PR3's for almost $200.

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        Stopped buying Pr3s awhile back. Don't worry about Pr anymore but knew my recent prices was waaay too low and that confirms it
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Ben Acharyaa View Post

      And Alex says a vet can get PR5 domains for $150 a pop. I'd honestly love to know the secret alex as I never see PR4's in that range.
      I'm sorry .I am not as down on Alex as others but its pretty obvious he talks junk to newbies for effect. Yeah you can luck out every now and again but its pure crap that an expert can just pick those up easy peazy. You are not going to get solid PR5s regularly for that

      I talk about one single 301 redirect with 30 perm high PR blog posts pointed at it. That's not really over doing, that's just limiting the amount of posts pointed at a client site.
      Alright I must be too sleepy because it seems to me you are not saving that much content plus I don't sees single links making anyway near the big difference they used to.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Alright I must be too sleepy because it seems to me you are not saving that much content plus I don't sees single links making anyway near the big difference they used to.
        Yes that's why I use it in 301 redirect format, so that it isn't seen as one single link, and at the same time it is. As say yourself, nothing wrong with a 301 redirect is there? Tons of legit websites use it when they change domain names.

        That's kind of the trick to it, I suppose.

        If I would just setup a site and build 30 high PR blog posts to it, then I wouldn't expect much of a boost for the money site it points to cause of the single link thing.

        Doing some case studies on it on my new site to find what works and what doesn't and then perhaps implement it in some way in my service, with permission of the client obvious.

        Now I redirected 2 totally irrelevant domains to an Amazon site of mine (without the tiered link building of 30 posts btw), within 2 days already all 10 keywords that I track dropped 5-10 positions (ranking page 2/3 btw).

        Maybe a tiny Google update in between, or maybe the result from the redirect, time will tell if rankings don't increase.
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  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
    If you're extremely creative you can pick up PR 5's for just the price of the domain. You just have to think outside the box. Everyone and there aunt's cousin sister is scavenging for scraps on expireddomains.net paying $200 for PR 3's.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by twilightofidols View Post

      If you're extremely creative you can pick up PR 5's for just the price of the domains .
      Extremely rare and representing that as some inevitable end of creativity is misleading. I have a very elaborate and creative set up and PR3s and PR4s are mostly what you will find. There are some foreign domains you can go after too that are not along the regular paths but the supply of PR5s through that avenue are not that high given its no mystery to experienced domain buyers.
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      • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Extremely rare and representing that as some inevitable end of creativity is misleading. I have a very elaborate and creative set up and PR3s and PR4s are mostly what you will find. There are some foreign domains you can go after too that are not along the regular paths but the supply of PR5s through that avenue are not that high given its no mystery to experienced domain buyers.
        That's very correct. It's extremely rare, and I never said it's the inevitable end of creativity. I only said that it's required to set you on that path.
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  • Profile picture of the author pcgun007
    $1000 for building blog!! Totally surprised
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  • Profile picture of the author jinx1221
    This might sound sort of basic and non-metric like but I think it's worth thinking about, and a question everyone should ask themselves..

    Is the material on your PR3 or whatever site you bought, would that content on either the page or overall site have gained the ranking of PR3 (or whatever) in the real world? If you had one generic paragraph about whatever subject it is, would people have naturally linked to it as it was so incredibly valuable or spot on topic, and would google be proud to have that in their index to begin with? If not, might want to look at that aspect cause they're getting better at programming the algo to see what people see, and to judge the content to the PR accordingly. Just my 2.5c
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimmydd
    $1,000 cost for a blog network yikes! here some ides from my own experience that might help you recoup your losses. Big G's algorithm mainly hunts networks by IP and hosting providers information. buying privacy does little to keep the spiders of the sent. You will need to invest in hosting that randomizes IPs to min the risks. Remember high volume search terms do get manual reviews. So the keywords you are targeting always come into play with blog networks risk and effectiveness. Also the links that you already built, may be the issue as well. Disavow the links and upgrade your hosting to list all domains under different ip addresses. After that just make sure you build links with LSI Anchor texts and that referring domain has some level of relavancy to your targeted money site. build them slow and do some back end social proof to the links page. Big G will think that a supercharged natural occurrence.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Jimmydd View Post

      $1,000 cost for a blog network yikes!
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      $1,000 for a network is chump change. A really powerful one will run you 20+ times that.

      Now that some time has passed it would be interesting to see what happened with the OP
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      • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
        I an a newbie to all this PBN stuff so I have a question if Mike or some other could chime in. If you set up or rent a space on a PBN wouldn't sites in that network be linking to the same set of sites all the time, that is, the owner/renters sites?

        And wouldn't that be an unnatural link profile that leaves a footprint regardless of how good the site content is?
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      • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        $1,000 for a network is chump change. A really powerful one will run you 20+ times that.

        Now that some time has passed it would be interesting to see what happened with the OP
        I spend a little over $30k a year to maintain mine. I have over 450 sites. That doesn't include the cost of buying the domains just maintenance fees like hosting, domain renewal and privacy.

        $1000 is a lot when your starting out especially if you're not making any money. My PBN is crucial to the success of my business so it's a great investment. I invest a lot in backlinks (my own PBN) and content. All my PBN sites have multiple pages of 100% unique content. Nothing is spun. It doesn't cost that much for what I gain to go the cheap route (spun content and such). For $400 I can post another page on 100 sites. To me that's a steal. But I had to build up to this obviously.

        Also like it was stated earlier don't look at the PR of a domain alone because you could be setting yourself up for failure. Buying some high PR domains doesn't mean anything. They could easily all be losers. Look at the Trust Flow, Citiation Flow and the MOZ Metrics. Also look at the number of referring domains. These are much better indicators of how the site will pass juice rather than PR. If you can get both then jackpot.

        I usually notice an improvement after a few weeks (3-4). Depends on how competitive and such.

        Took about 3 weeks to get from spot 15 to 8 for a competitive term for me. This is after 60 PBNs pointing to my site. The average Trust and Citiation of each of my PBNs was between 20-30. The LongTail Pro competitiveness for this search term is a 44. The avg domain authority of the 1st page is 60 and the average page authority is 45. Again there are many factors. The site I was promoting has been around for a while and stuck on page 2 for months. Had an ok backlink profile but just not enough juice to be on page 1.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by inetguru_987 View Post


          $1000 is a lot when your starting out especially if you're not making any money. .

          In those cases then you are better off renting links or renting space on a small network
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          • Profile picture of the author Slin
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            In those cases then you are better off renting links or renting space on a small network
            Or staying out of IM.

            No offense but IM isn't a charity case, if you don't have $1,000 that you are willing to lose you may want to stay away until you have some more cash saved up.

            Renting links is good and all, but you can still easily lose the money, I hate watching people spend all of their money hoping a method will work.
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            • Profile picture of the author inetguru_987
              Originally Posted by Slin View Post

              Or staying out of IM.

              No offense but IM isn't a charity case, if you don't have $1,000 that you are willing to lose you may want to stay away until you have some more cash saved up.

              Renting links is good and all, but you can still easily lose the money, I hate watching people spend all of their money hoping a method will work.
              You wonder how much money is spent each year without any ROI. That would be interesting to see.

              I originally spent about $900 to get started with learning IM, buying various tools and such. Now I'm earning around $17 for every $1 I spend. In the beginning $1000 was a lot especially without knowing what type of results to expect. Of course looking back it's a no brainer.
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    First of all chill. If you really did take all those precautions, your fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author tkminh
    omg $1000 =)), i lost $2000 but then i found my own way to make money . So never give up.
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  • Profile picture of the author nexblanc01
    Wow this really took off, for some reason I don't get notified when someone reply's to my thread, had no idea there was so many comments.

    update:

    I have 15 domains in my network, nothing crazy powerful but decent metrics. All on different hosting, made 15 post hand written, keywords in title, 400 to 600 words of high quality hand written on topic content.

    I landed on page one bottom for a medium good keyword, it seems every time I make a link it takes 5 to 10 days for the juice to kick in.

    instead of buying more domains I decided to make tier2's to the blog network post with gsa. One week later I dropped back to page 3. Then I decided to build gsa directly to my money site with high quality content and only pr plus contextual links. Dropped back to page 6.

    Either I don't use gsa right or its just toxic, all tho I have ranked a lot of keywords with gsa in the past.

    my mistake was instead of buying more domains, I used gsa and screwed it all up. What I should of done is keep building and buying decent metric domains, 3 more links I might of had it.

    So now I am rebuilding a bigger network and not repeating my past mistakes.

    my current strategy:

    blog network domains decent metrics, each domain unique hosting, only hand written high quality content for all post.

    if your on page 2 buy more domains.

    try to drive traffic to your money site, if your getting high quality on topic forum, facebook, twitter etc.. traffic google will think of you as more of an authority

    social signals

    manuel high pr link building


    what I am really trying to do is use my network to rank as many money sites as possible without triggering any alarms? the money site link ratio?
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