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Why Are You Here?

by SEODollz
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This is super relevant to the SEO board so please just hear me out.

WF has some seriously brilliant SEO minds, some amazing techniques and discoveries have been born right here. SEO history has been made and industry news has broken on these pages. We've watched as fortunes are made (and lost) by the people here. We've weathered every major update, always finding an open window as a door closes. WF can boast the single largest group of SEOs in the world... Yet we don't act like a community most days.

Flame away. Because we are good at that. And yeah, it's funny ...but doesn't that mean really that this is all just a waste of time? I can go troll people on Reddit if I'm that bored.

The point: When every thread is a pissing contest, who wants to share something with the class? My guess is nobody, at least not more than once.

Don't get me wrong, a high bar to entry is good but it is to the point now where people can't really learn anything here. There is no give and take.

This can be a lonely industry; most of us learn on our own, work on our own. Can we try as a group to actually be helpful to one another? I know it sucks when you try and help someone and they turn around and take credit (been there, I get it.) We've all been burned, we are all wary but to get we have to give too.

We are the men (and women) behind the curtain, pulling strings and adjusting gauges; influencing the thoughts, purchases and opinions of the public online. We are an elite community of online warriors, from the curious newbie to the seasoned veteran and we share a common destiny. We pay for the mistakes of other SEOs, therefore it is in our best interest to watch that they aren't fiddling around in the dark.

For the record, I'm down to share. I've got stuff to share without an agenda, as a way to give back to WF because I appreciate this place and the people here. I'm not the best SEO on the planet but I think I have something to give back. I'd also mentor a newbie if someone was interested, I have had an awesome mentor myself.

Final thoughts:

More credit/respect for someone who is willing to share, even if I don't agree I can respect the effort and the willingness of that person to put themselves out there. More discussion, less arguing.

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Much love WF!! -Dollz

Small Edit: While not the most important thing to me I think it would be really cool to mentor another female SEO, so if there are interested ladies please send me a PM for sure
  • Profile picture of the author chris_87
    Agreed. Regarding "I'd also mentor a newbie if someone was interested, I have had an awesome mentor myself."

    I would very much be interested in such an opportunity. We used to talk on skype quite a bit, but it appears I have been deleted from your skype since, probably due to inactivity.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Dollz good thread and a question I am asking myself.

      However we have to be honest here . Not being honest is not going to lead anywhere good. Right now this is not a very good SEO forum and it has nothing to do with pissing matches. Here are the real reasons this Forum has gone down hill.

      A) You've been here long enough to know that a whole lot of garbage is peddled here. People triumphantly claiming Forum links still work, profile links are the bomb,Social is a major signal in the search engines, people trying to launch their latest link spam service or WSO and on and on. Not challenging these things would make a lot of people and way up the chain very happy (who would agree with you that its all a matter of pissing matches) but seriously look through the threads. When the next person comes along and tells everyone links no longer matter for SEO who really benefits from someone not telling them they are wrong? Still I propose a test. No one berate challenge or dispute what anyone says on this board for two weeks and see how much better the actual information gets. It won't because of the next point

      B) The board is about 95% takers. not going to be popular to say but keeping it real. You and I can both count on ten fingers posters who have EVER added anything to these boards. Some of the greatest critics to come along in the last 6 months to this or that person or how the board is run or acts (some who already are in this thread) have not given a blip EVER and they never will. They are here for freebies and sorry but again keeping it real - alot of them are kids. Some of the most demanding for answers are the most lazy and that has been far more the reason why you will not see sharing. NO one likes to give out things to leeches. Not only are they lazy they will trample over anything shared here and ruin it. I am not alone on that. Yukon who I seldom agree with has said as much. This is not a crowd to share your secrets with or they will destroy it if they can. The MMO niche has some of the least business savvy and a bunch of them are not only lazy they are the least grateful.. I have seen people share and share and then seen people who give nothing straight DEMAND more - Literally "tell me more NOW!" kind of responses

      C) one of the rules of WF that makes great sense for the rest of the board makes ABOLUTELY NO SENSE for a SEO forum and will forever hamper it from being a great or even good SEO forum. I don't know what you are talking about this board making news. I have never seen it and I have been here longer than you BUT there were some fantastic threads way in the past and ALL are threads that would be deleted today. Teryy Kyles' linking thread that practically made him is a key one. Threads where studies were done on various link networks. Some where No follow was tested....Several others from members that have long left. All of them were case studies and case studies are forbidden because aghast the person might gain commercial leverage from it. The baby was thrown out with the bath water. IF you have an SEO forum and you can't do case studies then anyone can and will claim anything with no proof and it all becomes garbage.

      D) finally too many good people have left and yeah even some that had epic duels here because for all the crying about combating views and posters some of the best stuff came out of reading SEOs go head to head and duel out their ideas. I can't tell you the amount of people who PMed me about Mike F and I getting into it with the Laclears on networks. People built their first networks off those threads. Did those get heated more than they should? Yes but I look around now and theres almost no thread quite like those in terms of heat and the info has gotten worse not better.

      Theres an E and its a big one that relates to IM and WSOs but its not anything that can or will be changed so I'll keep it.

      IF I am wrong on all those points then please point me to a thread in the last month where anything significant was shared that you learned from. Honestly I have one - and its your comment a few months back that you have to get away from the same old things you see in threads here and learn new things.

      That told me to move away from this place not consider it a great SEO forum
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        D) finally too many good people have left and yeah even some that had epic duels here because for all the crying about combating views and posters some of the best stuff came out of reading SEOs go head to head and duel out their ideas. I can't tell you the amount of people who PMed me about Mike F and I getting into it with the Laclears on networks. People built their first networks off those threads. Did those get heated more than they should? Yes but I look around now and theres almost no thread quite like those in terms of heat and the info has gotten worse not better.
        Now that was an epic thread. I believe it was just titled Private Blog Network. Just search for that and look for the locked thread with about 350+ posts. That should be it. That thread almost earned me a vacation from here.

        There was another similar thread shortly after that. I think kkchoon was the one arguing quantity over quality in the second one. If I remember correctly, the Brothers Who Shall Not Be Named stepped into it later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Shits and giggles mostly. But it would not be my fellow WF member that worries me about "taking credit". The IM side of the forum do that all the time, and it's almost expected.

    What vexes me more now, is the realization that Google themselves are now actively trolling public forums, doxing (finding) members through their online digital footprints, and taking action on their sites. Then moving on to close down what they where sharing asap.

    That's kinda worrying for a blackhat, and fairly understandable why the reluctance to talk so much is beginning to hit home with a lot of people. There have been so many methods closed off over the last couple of years, people are now running scared trying to hold onto whats left. And the little tricks they know about it.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Shits and giggles mostly. But it would not be my fellow WF member that worries me about "taking credit". The IM side of the forum do that all the time, and it's almost expected.

      What vexes me more now, is the realization that Google themselves are now actively trolling public forums, doxing (finding) members through their online digital footprints, and taking action on their sites. Then moving on to close down what they where sharing asap.

      That's kinda worrying for a blackhat, and fairly understandable why the reluctance to talk so much is beginning to hit home with a lot of people. There have been so many methods closed off over the last couple of years, people are now running scared trying to hold onto whats left. And the little tricks they know about it.
      Totally valid concerns. It would be cool to educate people about how to reduce their online footprint too, doesn't get talked about enough to beginners and we all pay for it when people that don't know any better go stomping all over the web.

      And yeah we all have those tricks and techniques that we hold close both to avoid them being shut down by big brother and also to maintain a competitive edge (nothing wrong with that for sure!) But there is other stuff to share, even white hat stuff etc. Even if it's just stuff like how to streamline a process etc. You don't have to hand over your blackhat playbook of course
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post

        But there is other stuff to share, even white hat stuff etc. Even if it's just stuff like how to streamline a process etc. You don't have to hand over your blackhat playbook of course
        I do try, between the jokes. But the Whitehat stuff is mostly syndicated content
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        • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          I do try, between the jokes. But the Whitehat stuff is mostly syndicated content
          looool TFW:

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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    I come to WF on my work break to read the funnies.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    Definitely agreed Dollz. The rudeness and catty behavior seams to be getting more and more out of hand lately. Entire threads being derailed and closed because someone feels the need to lay smack and start a royal rumble. The sad thing is that this behavior discourages many competent SEOs from giving advice because of the constant flaming.

    I've come to the conclusion that many of the people keeping on in this manner either have no friends/life, are on some type of medication or have low self esteem and thus the need to assert their "badassness" online. The irony is that it's usually the older members, people that should know better, that carry on like this.

    As for why I'm here? Well, you don't know what you don't know until you know it.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Ok serious response.

    In all honesty, I think most "legitimate" questions get answered thoughtfully by veterans.

    The problem with this forum is that it is populated by veteran marketers that make a living doing this, and then a bunch of newbs (which isn't necessarily bad).

    If you are a newb, the forum has everything you need to at least get started making a side income. Using the search function will yield just about every question imaginable you can think of, probably answered in multiple threads as well.

    Everything you need to get started is here. The rest you will learn through trial and error.

    However the problem is 90% (in my opinion) are looking to either get spoon-fed or for shortcuts/handouts.

    I mean how many threads daily do we see about "fiverr SEO gigs" or "SEO is dead" or blah blah blah. It gets old real quick.

    If veterans smack these people down, I have no issue with that. It's tough love baby.

    If online flaming dissuades/discourages newbs, you know what, internet marketing is probably not for them. This is one of the most volatile ways to make a living, s*** people have had their livelihoods wiped up on days Matt Cutts farts the wrong way.

    Anyway I commend your efforts OP in trying to bring the community together, but I feel like I shall return daily to read the funnies.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post


      However the problem is 90% (in my opinion) are looking to either get spoon-fed or for shortcuts/handouts.

      I mean how many threads daily do we see about "fiverr SEO gigs" or "SEO is dead" or blah blah blah. It gets old real quick.

      If veterans smack these people down, I have no issue with that. It's tough love baby.
      Oh I have no problem with this either, lazy leeches that don't feel like doing a search are fair game. Veterans are doing them a favor by teaching them tha they have to make an effort.

      Also the forum spammers can all DIAF as far as I'm concerned.

      No what I meant is that whenever someone does take a minute to share something, a technique or a tutorial thread those threads get ripped to shreds. See it all the time. It's like this mentality of "oh you want to share something huh, you think you're so smart, here I'll argue about nothing for three pages and turn it into a joke" It's just not productive.
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  • Profile picture of the author smoor2012
    You make very valid points here. I tend to try to simply contribute something and not pay attention to negative noise, but you have addressed any noise that exists very well.

    I am all for learning and sharing what works. I understand that value has to be put into the marketplace to build a presence that makes people want to listen. That kind of thing happens gradually.

    I will do all I can to be more consistent with information that helps in here.

    This is certainly a good forum and one of the easiest to navigate and has plenty of professionals with good advice.

    Thanks for the post.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
    All very good points Mike, it's pretty dismal I know. Do we give up though? If the forum is defined by it's members then can't we collectively change the tide? Some things I've noticed that touch on what you've said:

    There is no way to keep the best threads present and on top EXCEPT without the help of a mod. This means the awesome thread I read today will be buried by next week, it also means we get the same threads over and over.

    I wonder if it would be possible for really helpful threads to get linked to up at the top in one big sticky like the one Paul made. I know this might cause extra work for our awesome mods, to curate a collection of awesome threads like that but it might be an incentive too for people to contribute good stuff. People could nominate really good threads to get added to the list, like voting sort of and the mods could make sure only the good stuff makes the cut. It might also cut down on the repetitive threads.

    I think on topic discussion and friendly banter is awesome, I think though that there are a lot of old grudges and politics that are always present. I think taking the high road on stuff sometimes is the best way to go.

    Of course I don't want anyone to stop correcting misinformation, it's totally necessary and appropriate. And if somebody is intentionally trying to lead people down a bad road for profit then I say no mercy, as a community we have to weed out the wolves and the vultures.

    I just hope that maybe we can take the focus off saying "that doesn't work" and maybe have more "here this is something I want to share, hope you find it useful." Even just having this discussion as a group is a step towards a more useful future here.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post

      I wonder if it would be possible for really helpful threads to get linked to up at the top in one big sticky like the one Paul made. I know this might cause extra work for our awesome mods, to curate a collection of awesome threads like that but it might be an incentive too for people to contribute good stuff. People could nominate really good threads to get added to the list, like voting sort of and the mods could make sure only the good stuff makes the cut. It might also cut down on the repetitive threads.

      Yukon brought that idea to me a few weeks ago. It just has not gotten off the ground yet. At one time, those links Paul put there were all sticky threads. The problem with that was you had to scroll halfway down the page to get past all the sticky's.

      So it would have to be limited to just a few topics to avoid that mess again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Yukon brought that idea to me a few weeks ago. It just has not gotten off the ground yet.
        Along with some other things not related to this thread - seals it for me. I wish you guys the best with the forums
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Along with some other things not related to this thread - seals it for me. I wish you guys the best with the forums
          It was more of consolidating common topics than necessarily picking out good posts. Hell if I'm going to sit here all day and evaluate posts.

          Just cut down on some of the repetition.

          Take all the keyword research posts and condense them into 1 thread. Eliminating all the "thanks for this" kind of crappy posts. Do the same for Panda, Penguin, etc.

          Honestly, doubt it will happen though. Too much work for us to keep up with.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post


      I just hope that maybe we can take the focus off saying "that doesn't work" and maybe have more "here this is something I want to share, hope you find it useful."
      Thats a good point Dollz but thats also the thing. A lot of people do in fact start threads like that and the thing is not only not useful its dangerous. It then becomes well whose right? Now with you most would have no issue because it probably will be useful but whose going to tell the guy who really just wants to establish themselves as a guru or later do a WSO that his is not useful? and based on what criteria?

      Mods? Mods are people too and certainly not immune to politics. I can be assured if I use a Moz metric in one of my useful posts it won't get one Mods approval regardless due to said politics. (On the bright side which might give that suggestion a BIG boost - I'd be out of here for good if mods alone determined all the good threads and pushed everything else down into oblivion).

      The biggest issue is in a forum of internet marketers there is no way or even allowed system to present proof or case studies to verify that anything is really useful so it becomes a crap shoot. Thats the reason you see things shot down by others. Another case in point of this? Come up with a really good share on how to do white hat link building and you have people that will shout it down and consider it valueless because they don't see how white hat could possibly be useful at all since its just Google propaganda.

      Think about every squabble you have seen on WF. I submit almost everyone would never have been a squabble if the party presenting an idea had and was allowed to present some proof for it. Sorry but the forum is crap because anyone can post anything, have nothing to back it up and can claim its useful.

      I am not saying its hopeless at all I am saying it can be fixed but only if there is a criteria that people have to meet to prove the usefulness of their share. I will say this thing good about the SEO forum that as far as I am concerned makes it better than the rest of the board. The people who do question posts have created a certain standard of less BS than the rest of the board. For that it gets a rep on the main board of being bad, because after all, there are no fights if people just say live and let live to all kinds of garbage.
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  • Profile picture of the author jxam69
    Why am I here?

    Because although I've been in online marketing for over 20 years - I started back when Usenet was the primary way to reach people before the Mosaic browser made the web graphical - I have to keep up to date with the evolving ecosystem that is the modern web.

    Although I do try to help people on here from time to time, I don't make many detailed posts sharing the strategies and concepts I employ partly because of things like Kevin Maguire's joke above that "Whitehat stuff is mostly syndicated content".

    In other words, I feel that whitehat types of conversations are unwelcome here.

    I'm not criticizing people who take a business decision to go in other directions with SEO - it's just that I work on the 'Whitehat' side of things because that's what my clients want.

    If case studies were allowed, and I posted one about the client who spent $8,000 on delivery van livery as part of a successful outreach campaign that netted over 60 local business backlinks, I'd probably get flamed off the forum because you can't download some point-and-click tool to do that for you.

    I don't really have any great suggestions for how we could make this place more of a supportive community than it currently is, but I know I would contribute more if there were more members that understood there are many ways to climb a mountain and were more open minded about discussions of things they're less familiar with.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
      Originally Posted by jxam69 View Post


      In other words, I feel that whitehat types of conversations are unwelcome here.
      Oh man this is a guy we need to be encouraging to share. I think you raise a really valid point and that we all kind of need to remember that this industry is wide and it's deep, there are tons of areas for specialization and we all have different goals. If something doesn't apply to what we are personally doing that doesn't mean it can't possibly be helpful to other people here.

      I think our advice should be judged by our peers. So if a black hat guy writes a black hat type thread then the white hat guys shouldn't shame him for being black hat and vice versa. Lots of legitimate paths. If the decision whether or not to share something is full of "hmm I wonder if I'll get my *** handed to me by the other side" then we are missing out on a lot of valuable contributions.

      Some stuff I've wanted to post about here but haven't because I anticipate resistance from certain groups:

      How to Funnel Traffic with Mommy Bloggers
      How to Build (Valuable) Links with G+
      How and why we should be diversifying traffic sources for Local clients

      We all have something to share, but nobody wants to put the effort in just so the trolls can pick everything to pieces for sport.

      Originally Posted by Matthew Anton View Post

      The community is great but there are a few cyber know it all's / bullies in this section..I think we all know who they are. I posted information on exactly how I was making $3200 a year passively with adsense and Amazon and it got completely derailed. This is why we can't have nice things. Everyone is paranoid and skeptical; not an ideal atmosphere for growth and sharing.
      See now I need to go find that thread brb lol
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      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      I'm here because I don't have anything else better to do in order to occupy my time.
      Lol. I like the honesty.
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    The community is great but there are a few cyber know it all's / bullies in this section..I think we all know who they are. I posted information on exactly how I was making $3200 a year passively with adsense and Amazon and it got completely derailed. This is why we can't have nice things. Everyone is paranoid and skeptical; not an ideal atmosphere for growth and sharing.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Matthew Anton View Post

      This is why we can't have nice things. Everyone is paranoid and skeptical; not an ideal atmosphere for growth and sharing.
      You must be right....when anyone feels they can post anything and get it warmly accepted we get such incredibly good threads

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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    It's been like two months, and don't remember why I joined this forum in the first place. Saw it mentioned somewhere? Googled a SEO tool, and WF was among the first results? Got sick of the repetition on WebHostingTalk? Something along those lines... I'm pretty sure I didn't join for the PPC / SEO forum, but this is what I'm mostly interested in. I'm a site builder, and not much of a marketing person.

    I'm here to learn, and it's been very good two months for me. Better threads are helpful for a newbie, even some that get derailed and degenerate to a pissing contest. The tone could certainly have been friendlier in some cases, but you get to know that there's a major disagreement and usually also see the reasons for it.

    Of course you need to know how to use the forum, keep trying to find the good stuff, and mentally filter much of the feed. I can see how the veteran SEOs might not get anything out of the usual banter, and I agree that it gets very repetitive. There's too many "instructions" that are just terrible, too much demanding for help, too much one-liners about link spam, and too much noise.

    Maybe this forum is just too big and too public to feel intimate enough?
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  • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
    I came here to learn about internet marketing.

    Life dealt me some lemons and took away my old method of making a living and seriously limited what I could and could not do. So I made the decision to make a living from the internet. I'd heard that it could be done and ended up here to learn the tools and ropes of the trade.

    And that's why I've stayed.

    I know I don't post much, and am not much of a contributor.

    After 2 years I still consider myself to be a newby. One with enough knowledge to be dangerous to himself and others, but still a newby. And in a nutshell that's why I don't contribute much. I see other low information members like me on here blowing it out there like they're pros when they're not. They don't even come close to being pros. And the scary part of it all is I don't even think they're aware of that fact that they rarely have clue on the subject matter. A lot are clueless to the fact that they’re clueless.

    Why do I stay? Because I've learned so much, and am still learning it daily.

    Without this place I wouldn't have learned about silo structures, and their proper deployment from Yukon. My great thanks to you for sharing your valuable knowledge on that topic sir. I've read every post you've ever made concerning it and am now deploying it on my newest sites.

    Also I would never have learned squat about the value of quality back links. Nor would I have came across Mike Anthony, or joined his group of PB network builders. Was it expensive? No! Not in relation to what I learned from his courses and videos. I now am the proud owner of some pretty nice PB network sites that I bought and built myself. One is now a PR5 beast that was only a PR4 when I bought it last summer for $300.00. When I back link off of it which I do with extreme caution and much forethought. My little local sites take off like rockets I've also got some really sweet PR4 sites, and a half dozen PR3's. Thank you Mr Anthony for taking my money in exchange for something of a lot more value.

    Mike Friedman's SEO knowledge has been indispensable. And as an added benefit to his great knowledge he sounds off regularly about bad advice being given here. Which is a value all in itself.

    2 years ago when I came here I was making nothing. Now I'm making a thousand a week and working from home and have learned most everything I know right here.

    Have I sifted through some serious bull to find the nuggets? More than I care to even mention.
    Have I asked a lot of stupid questions? Oh HAYEL YES! And I will continue to ask them. Fact is I’m going to ask one later right here on this part of the forum that’s quite long winded. But I want to reassure you pros (SEO Dollz and many others included) that any advice you give me will have a lot of the silent majority reading and learning from it.
    I think sometimes you big dogs don’t know how much us little dogs appreciate your posting.



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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by kid carson View Post


      Also I would never have learned squat about the value of quality back links. Nor would I have came across Mike Anthony, or joined his group of PB network builders. Was it expensive? No! Not in relation to what I learned from his courses and videos. I now am the proud owner of some pretty nice PB network sites that I bought and built myself. One is now a PR5 beast that was only a PR4 when I bought it last summer for $300.00. When I back link off of it which I do with extreme caution and much forethought. My little local sites take off like rockets I've also got some really sweet PR4 sites, and a half dozen PR3's. Thank you Mr Anthony for taking my money in exchange for something of a lot more value.
      I am not going to lie.. I will be prouder seeing one of my kids one day graduate from college but It won't be as much as I would have thought than I am of you. Good going dude.

      years ago when I came here I was making nothing. Now I'm making a thousand a week and working from home and have learned most everything I know right here.
      Now all you have to do is tell me one day you were able to raise great kids being close to home and then you will get closer to making me cry (It aint the money but what you do with it that matters.)

      I think sometimes you big dogs don’t know how much us little dogs appreciate your posting.
      Now thats crap. You went from nothing to a thousand a week. I see no little dogs in that. You are a full fledge Quan.
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  • Profile picture of the author rwow
    I've been lurking for awhile (not in a creepy way), I have a full time job in digital marketing.

    I can't use black hat methods at work and it is my personal preference to stay using white hat methods for my own ventures.

    I'm still looking to expand my knowledge on SEO and web marketing in general, but then who isn't?

    I spend a lot of time maintaining the brand on social media but the reason I got into this job was to pursue SEO, so it's something I'm doing in my own time hopefully to the benefit of my bank.

    I thought about selling services but the rates people charge on here are considerably lower than what I would charge. So I think I'll just join in the chatter instead .

    Although I'm looking to launch my own e-commerce website in the next week or so, something to keep me entertained.

    Rwow
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Why am I here? I wanted to find another outlet into making $$. I remember it like yesterday. I wanted to learn from the guys that's been around for a while. I saw Mike Anthony, PaulGL, Yukon to name a few.

    I made shitty adsense sites, to using public blog networks, and then became an amazon affiliate. I learned so much which now lead me to the corporate world which I actually ENJOY, and now I've gone back to business becoming an SEO consultant for local businesses in Southern California (TONS of businesses have contacted me).

    But yeah, I've learned SO much thanks to the WARRIORFORUM. Not college, but HERE. And when I joined, there was barely any flaming. Just people giving me TONS of info. Info that I did and didn't want to hear but it all lead to something.

    And for that, I thank YOU all for making it happen. I don't know any of you on a personal level, but you all contributed in some way that created a bright light for me in the future. I hope that goes for others as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author thisisjack
    I'm here because I think that The Warrior Forum is a great read, it's full of good (and bad) information that is often taken for granted. I've been a member here for two years and have hardly posted, my information isn't reliable or valid because I have little experience in comparison to others, and therefore tend to question my ability to provide anything beneficial to this forum which is already packed with highly intelligent and experienced internet marketers.

    I have however in my time purchased a WSO, because I adapted the mindset of thinking that I could easily make a quick "buck", which is often the reason why most users sign up, I believe. I no longer have this mindset, and try my best to work hard in order to generate money online.

    I have always been a believer in free education and information, but I truly believe the information here is so good that the majority of it should not be free. The smallest comments and posts usually contain information and advice that could help the most successful, even more successful.

    I'm glad that I am a user here, and when I believe I am knowledgeable enough to provide reliable information to this forum, I most certainly will.

    Anyway, that's just my two cents on things.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
    Helping someone else be successful is really, really powerful stuff and it doesn't cost anything. My mentor changed my life, no joke and it's cool to be able to pay it forward and help someone else find their way. I'd recommend that experience to any veteran out there that hasn't done it yet. It's a respected SEO tradition that doesn't get enough press.
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    • Profile picture of the author rwow
      Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post

      Helping someone else be successful is really, really powerful stuff and it doesn't cost anything. My mentor changed my life, no joke and it's cool to be able to pay it forward and help someone else find their way. I'd recommend that experience to any veteran out there that hasn't done it yet. It's a respected SEO tradition that doesn't get enough press.
      I'd like to say I had a mentor but I learned through trial and error whilst at college .

      How did you meet your mentor? Can I ask how that works between you and your mentor(poke me with a stick if I'm being to nosey)?

      Rwow
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      • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
        Originally Posted by rwow View Post

        I'd like to say I had a mentor but I learned through trial and error whilst at college .

        How did you meet your mentor? Can I ask how that works between you and your mentor(poke me with a stick if I'm being to nosey)?

        Rwow
        I put it out there that I wanted a mentor. It's sometimes hard to ask for help like that but I did, got laughed at a bit and then got really, really lucky. Made a really good friend who taught me a lot and that helped me grow in my career.

        Here is what I think is important in a mentor kind of relationship:

        1) You have to respect that person's time and help, be grateful and try not to be a "taker." Only ask when you have tried on your own already to figure it out.

        2) There has to be mutual trust for sharing to happen. That means confidentiality.

        I've never said on this forum who my mentor is but since he says he doesn't mind, Mr. Mike Friedman is hands down the best mentor I could have hoped for Was my first choice and I never honestly expected him to take me on but he did and I'm really thankful. Thanks Mike!
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        • Profile picture of the author rwow
          Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post

          I put it out there that I wanted a mentor. It's sometimes hard to ask for help like that but I did, got laughed at a bit and then got really, really lucky. Made a really good friend who taught me a lot and that helped me grow in my career.

          Here is what I think is important in a mentor kind of relationship:

          1) You have to respect that person's time and help, be grateful and try not to be a "taker." Only ask when you have tried on your own already to figure it out.

          2) There has to be mutual trust for sharing to happen. That means confidentiality.

          I've never said on this forum who my mentor is but since he says he doesn't mind, Mr. Mike Friedman is hands down the best mentor I could have hoped for Was my first choice and I never honestly expected him to take me on but he did and I'm really thankful. Thanks Mike!
          I wouldn't mind finding somebody with the same interest's as me and direction, rather than a mentor. Somebody to bounce idea's off really.

          I'm in a Skype group but it's only active when you get the occasional person "how do I make money online" so not really what I'm looking for!

          Rwow
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  • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
    I'm here for the 5% stuff that Mike Anthony says that's useful and the 95% stuff he says that's garbage and entertaining to watch other forum members trash him for.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      I'm here for the 5% stuff that Mike Anthony says that's useful and the 95% stuff he says that's garbage and entertaining to watch other forum members trash him for.
      Thanks, that is super productive.

      Sounds like other people have found his advice to be more useful than you have. Can we live and let live?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by SEODollz View Post

        Thanks, that is super productive.

        Sounds like other people have found his advice to be more useful than you have. Can we live and let live?
        Let the kid talk. I'll live and let live rgardless. In a thread where one of my customers stated he went from nothing to a thousand a week I ain't got nothing but love tonight.

        Plus it underscores point I made earlier - the biggest and most vocal critics on this board are almost always people who no one can remember contributing anything much.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Let the kid talk. I'll live and let live rgardless. In a thread where one of my customers stated he went from nothing to a thousand a week I ain't got nothing but love tonight.

          Plus it underscores point I made earlier - the biggest and most vocal critics on this board are almost always people who no one can remember contributing anything much.
          That's deep. But not as deep as

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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
            Banned
            I'm mostly active here when I have a lot of work to do, most of my tasks are very boring repetitive tasks and I can't force myself to do that for many hours in a row so then I take a short break, browse through some posts, relax a bit and get back to work again.

            What I truly hated about this forum was that I had a few case studies quiet long ago and then the whole thread got deleted or locked. Back then I wasn't aware that it wasn't allowed, while such threads are about the most interesting ones of all, at least when all information gets shared, so not just earning updates and some vague info but visible sites, visible rankings, stuff that is verifiable.
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          • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            That's deep. But not as deep as

            Gladiator -Maximus death scene HD - YouTube
            HAHAHAHAHA!
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by hipeopo02 View Post

      I'm here for the 5% stuff that Mike Anthony says that's useful and the 95% stuff he says that's garbage and entertaining to watch other forum members trash him for.
      Not everybody has the same ideas. Not 100% of what anybody says is gold.

      But...and here's what I'd really like to change your statement to.

      95% of what everybody says is not going to be useful or practical for you.
      But, everybody has something. No, I'm not talking wannabes. I'm
      talking real people. Take yukon. Perhaps 99% of what he says is not
      my thing. But I'll tell you want. Is that 99% garbage? No. Just not for me.
      But that 1%? Holy cow, man! That has been golden. And I mean G O L D E N.
      Ditto for the others.

      Why am I here? To learn. I'm not here as much as I used to be, cuz I'd like
      to think I'm too busy trying to make money. But I gotta check in now and
      again. I don't want to miss something that might make me money.

      I'm here to learn. Learn to make more money.

      Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        Not everybody has the same ideas. Not 100% of what anybody says is gold.
        I'll admit I've been pretty rough on you recently Paul. I was remembering happier days so I will tone it down (maybe you can do the same). I still wish we lived closer together. We could liquor you up and if possibly make you more jolly

        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        I do my good deeds through pm. I swear I have references to backup my claims.
        I talked with the ladies you referred to helping out on Valentines night. They said it was neither good nor was it your deed but theirs.

        Was my first choice and I never honestly expected him to take me on but he did and I'm really thankful.
        the power of suggestion is strong. I read that passage twice reading it as "out" instead of on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Look if you're all just making this thread to make me feel bad about bullying and starting fights all over well...you can all just piss off...


    Ain't Gonna Happen !!!!!!!

    :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p

    I do my good deeds through pm. I swear I have references to backup my claims.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEODollz
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      Look if you're all just making this thread to make me feel bad about bullying and starting fights all over well...you can all just piss off...


      Ain't Gonna Happen !!!!!!!

      :p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p:p
      TIL Kevin is Catholic.

      Tsk tsk dirty dirty conscience my friend
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