[terryd]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

No not really, you see, if your site ranks for about 6 keywords in the top 20 results, and then the next day your site are not even in the top 100 pages for ANY keyword, then I will NOT call it poor performing results, but something else.

I agree Google can't penalise your website, but I have my theory and no one will believe me so I'll just hold my mouth and let the "experts" decide what is real and what is not

If your theory involves being penalized for using Angelas link packages then I think it's wrong personally.

For it to be that easy to push competitors sites off Google would be beyond comprehension.

I personally think it's just part of Google doing what it does.

I've had a site only 2 weeks ago that was around 3rd position in a high competition key phrase for almost 2 years and then all of a sudden it got booted to the 4th page, why? I have no idea but it doesn't worry me. I'll just slowly build more links because I know it's on page factors are better than the competition and eventually I'll end up back in the top 5.

[terryd]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

but no one will ever know what is really going on

That's right on the money, the only ones who really know are those people working behind the Google doors. Everything else are just theories...

[terryd]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

But the problem is before I started building links very fast this never happened before.

Are you sure that this isn't the problem itself?

Building links quickly (again theorized) is a way to get penalized in Google.

There are so many factors that can play into why your site shot down the rankings or vanished.

I think a herd mentality came into play here a little bit. One person said "I used your link package and my site disappeared", someone else joined in, then another and yet another before you know it Angelas link package MUST have been the reason.

I've used a couple of Angelas link packages and all my sites have had positive results, Pauls link packages as well.

[terryd]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Then I could do the same to my competitor. That is the mentality hanging around here, and the most experienced marketers on this forum says you can't build links fast enough manually to get penalised. I think they are right, and I also believed that and still believe it, will see if my opinion changes in the future.

But again you could get just as many of the experienced marketers here saying that you can build links fast enough to get penalized, it's like a never ending merry-go-round.

Again it's all theory...

A better question could be that if we both used Angelas links, why did your site vanish while my sites went up the rankings?

[JakeRhodes]

I've been using Angela (and Paul's) backlinks packs and I've seen my website rise from the second page onto the first page for a one word search term with over 9 million results.

However I also use RSS directories, article submission, social bookmarking, blog commenting and many other methods of getting backlinks. I think it's important to vary your methods so it doesn't look too much like you're marketing in a "spammy" way.

[reapr]

Originally Posted by JakeRhodes

I've been using Angela (and Paul's) backlinks packs and I've seen my website rise from the second page onto the first page for a one word search term with over 9 million results.

However I also use RSS directories, article submission, social bookmarking, blog commenting and many other methods of getting backlinks. I think it's important to vary your methods so it doesn't look too much like you're marketing in a "spammy" way.

I agree with this post. I use all the methods listed above and have not had one issue. With good links and using the methods above above and in this thread many people can get on page one for even competitive words out of 2-3 or even 5 million results.

I am going to have to jump in here. Angelas packet is very reasonable and anyone who does not get the packet is loosing out big time.

[4morereferrals]

Back to the original experiment ... I have a conclusion.

The OP - Belgirl had selected a keyword phrase:

panic attack heart symptoms

What a stroke of bad luck and ... perhaps a little inexperience. It's clear to me that - after creating a BLOG hxxp://panicattackheartsymptons.com - that is admittedly crap - but only for this test... AND backlinking over 150 sites to it randomly over 3 weeks ... Google is doing a bit of logic on its own. Google also seems to HATE that blog - LOL. Its put 10 different POS blog post articles I spun and placed on different backlink sites from my report - on page 1 in various places .. 4-8. Sometimes there were 2 pieces of content off these sites on page one for this phrase ... my WP blog - Page 10 or or worse. Never sniffed Page 1.

I believe google is seeing panic attack heart symptoms - exactly the same as Panic HEART ATTACK symptoms, or better yet - instead of ... panic attack heart symptoms.

Why?

Because lessor SEO'd pages - both on and off ... are showing up ahead of ANYTHING Ive put out there and ahead of belgirls stuff too ... but the weak optimization it does have is for "panic heart attack symptoms".


Ohhh and .... there's nothing wrong with Angela's and Pauls links - just the people that use them and/or abuse them. Kinda like Guns Dont Kill People - People Do. The ditribution model has some warts ... but that could be fixed ... lets all take a deep breath ... relax ... it's friday!

Unlike you full timers - I look forward to working on the IM biz for 2.5 solid days in less than 3 hrs .... wooot woooot !

[AdamWB]

I haven't read a lot of these posts, but I can see where all this is going.

I've been using Angela's links for quite some time now on dozens of websites, and I can tell you that in the long run they honestly do work.

Yes your site will go up, go down, go up, dissapear, go down, dissapear, etc etc. It's normal, and don't blame Angela's links on the normal movement of google.

To this day, I have never had a site banned or *not* reach top rankings (meaning they are all top ranked) with Angela's links. And I have a lot of websites.

Granted it does take awhile, don't expect to have #1 position in 2 days and it stay there indefefinitely. Yes I've had it happen, but it's rare.

Bottom line: If you're not getting the results you want, don't blame Angela's links. There are so many other factors that go into whether you rank or not, or if your site is moving in a negative direction.

[daveshu]

Originally Posted by mikeong88

It is possible that the backlinks you built have been removed.

Another possible reason is your on-page factor. Do they look spammy in Google's eyes?

The newer and less authority your site is , the more impact those Authority backlinks will have.

Google will take away "the points" that those sites gave you and that will affect your rankings. Whoever drive you up CAN bring you down...It is not a penalty but consider it as re-calculation process.

I have written some of my observations for the past two months using Angela and Paul packages.

Take note that you can make up for those "lost points" by finding more equal-weight backlinks. I have managed to drive some of those affected sites back up the ranking again...Not there yet but almost.

Thats the reason why I mention that Angela's sites can be a Double-Edged weapon..

No it isn't possible the links have been removed since I added links to around 5 sites at a time & the other 4 are doing well.

The on page isn't spammy, it's very good. I re-optimised his site a few weeks ago & it went from nowhere to 9th in a very competitive niche for the main keyword, & higher for others.

It isn't a new site, it's an established one that was well enough liked by Google to have sitelinks added - I always think thats a sign that G likes it.

It isn't that the backlinks have been removed & it's dropped in the rankings, it isn't showing in the serps at all for any of the keywords. If I do the www(dot)site(dot)com keyword keyword then all pages are still indexed.

I suspect that the combination of overhauling the site structure & internal linking, plus adding external links has caused Google to remove it from the serps for some reason.

Whether its sandboxed or just being reassessed I don't know, but I have noticed that the sitelinks have changed - there are now 3 instead of 6, and one of them is one of the new pages.

I'm hoping it's just being reassessed & not penalised.

It maybe also doesn't help that the customers webguy has left the old pages up as well as adding the new ones & not 301d them to the new pages as I suggested, and that G reports 44 urls that cannot be found (the restructure changed some of the urls).

I'm not saying that the backlinks have definitely caused my current problem, but I think the combination of lots of things happening suddenly may have been the cause.

I just hope it reappears shortly & that Google isn't penalising it in some way.


Any thoughts on this please?

[adamv]

Originally Posted by eBusiness Sellers

sounds like fun

What sounds like fun exactly? Increasing your post count? Is that what sounds like fun?

When's the WSO coming out? You're almost to 30 posts, keep 'em comming, you're almost there.

[zerofill]

Originally Posted by adamv

What sounds like fun exactly? Increasing your post count? Is that what sounds like fun?

When's the WSO coming out? You're almost to 30 posts, keep 'em comming, you're almost there.

Sounds like he got caught actually LOL

[terryd]

Originally Posted by eBusiness Sellers

sounds like fun

Will be great once he releases his WSO then everyone can see the idiotic posts he made to get to 30.......

[Best Affiliate]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Buried deep? My site is nowwhere to be seen for almost three weeks now, I do hope mine also comes back

I would also like to add that for your client that if he is a brick and mortar client in a city then you need to get as many local links as possible. Get links from chamber of commerce, superpages, insider pages, yellow pages, local directories, american towns, local.com, google local, yahoo local, bing local.

Angelas links shouldn't be your only method to get your links. Use this search to find relevant blogs for blog commenting: copy and paste this into google search .... "your keywords" Enter YourName@yourkeywords in the name field to take advantage. For example click here to see how it looks for panic attack blogs.

On another thread there is a guy who talks about how he makes over 15k per month with adsense sites. All he does is write articles to ezine articles for the most part. But he doesnt always write articles in his own niche. Look for the most popular categores and add your link to the bio box. Take your time and write a great quality article that any website owner would want to publish on their site. Imagine if your article gets picked up by a couple hundred blog and site owners? This is my next strategy. If it works for this guy then I am going to test it out as well.

Another thing you should do is join Free traffic system where you can write an article and submit it to 30 blogs. And its a free service. I just started using it myself but with only 3 articles I have almost 90 back links now and from a couple of high page ranking blogs.

Do all of this stuff in combination with angelas links and you should be ok. Lastly, I tried a strategy with angelas and pauls links. as I created new profiles I linked the previous one I created to the new one and the new one to the previous one. I did this with a package of pauls links for a new review blog in the relationship niche for a very competitive keyword and I jumped from nowhere to the 3rd page. Everyone knows that the "get your ex back" niche is super competitive but Im going to give this another month using all of these strategies and see what happens.

Anyway thats my two cents. good Luck!

[Crafty Blogger]

Originally Posted by Best Affiliate

I would also like to add that for your client that if he is a brick and mortar client in a city then you need to get as many local links as possible. Get links from chamber of commerce, superpages, insider pages, yellow pages, local directories, american towns, local.com, google local, yahoo local, bing local.

Angelas links shouldn't be your only method to get your links. Use this search to find relevant blogs for blog commenting: copy and paste this into google search .... "your keywords" Enter YourName@yourkeywords in the name field to take advantage. For example to see how it looks for panic attack blogs.

On another thread there is a guy who talks about how he makes over 15k per month with adsense sites. All he does is write articles to ezine articles for the most part. But he doesnt always write articles in his own niche. Look for the most popular categores and add your link to the bio box. Take your time and write a great quality article that any website owner would want to publish on their site. Imagine if your article gets picked up by a couple hundred blog and site owners? This is my next strategy. If it works for this guy then I am going to test it out as well.

Another thing you should do is join Free traffic system where you can write an article and submit it to 30 blogs. And its a free service. I just started using it myself but with only 3 articles I have almost 90 back links now and from a couple of high page ranking blogs.

Do all of this stuff in combination with angelas links and you should be ok. Lastly, I tried a strategy with angelas and pauls links. as I created new profiles I linked the previous one I created to the new one and the new one to the previous one. I did this with a package of pauls links for a new review blog in the relationship niche for a very competitive keyword and I jumped from nowhere to the 3rd page. Everyone knows that the "get your ex back" niche is super competitive but Im going to give this another month using all of these strategies and see what happens.

Anyway thats my two cents. good Luck!

This thread is kind of like a train wreck... I find it hard to look away even though I keep telling myself I won't look at it again.

Still, I have learned a lot of useful stuff from a few of the posters on this thread - and this is definitely useful stuff here. Thanks for all the ideas - I never thought of linking the profiles together before. Some great suggestion!

[daveshu]

Well my customers site has reappeared this morning on page 1 - lets see how long it stays up for this time - hopefully for good.

[AnneE]

Update on my own experiment -

Just to recap, since it's highly likely that anyone reading this post will NOT have read every post on the last 26 pages. Seeing Belgirl's original post, I decided too to try out Angela's theory which was basically to find a keyword phrase that had less than 500K competition (withOUT quotes), write an article in Goarticles on the keyword, post 30 links from her backlink packets to the article and the expected outcome was that it should be on the front page (top 10) of Google results for that keyword within a month. So I did this. My site jumped around and hit #5 in Google results about a week after I finished adding backlinks, which was 6/30.
Then it dropped to second page and it has kept on dropping and is now about #150. I know folks say it may bounce around a while. I guess, really if I was supposed to give the links a month, I should wait another week or so.

I am wondering if adding a link every day or two doesn't help maintain your ranking rather than doing them all in one shot. I keep seeing a pattern of a big jump and then a steady slide back lower in the rankings. Then I'll add a new link and see another big jump.

My own feeling is that the backlinks are a substantial assist and I'll continue to add them, but so far, unfortunately I have NOT found a guaranteed winning formula of:

this level-of-competition + this kind of website + this many backlinks = Google SUCCESS!!
What this and another WSO have done is make me more aware of a few lower-competition niches AND a couple ways of boosting search engine results quickly. And while I'm not finding them as easy pickings as I'd like, I'm still trying 4 - 6 (I've got 4 done and hope to do 2 more) of these niches to see if any other them are winners.

[4morereferrals]

Thanks for theinfo and update annie ...

May result in a waste of time - but the next niche you select, it might be better to do one where you dont care about the other knowing what it is so more folks can add assistance and knowledge.

It would be interesting to see the characters on page one currently for this niche - what their backlinks look like [ say top 5 ], how their pages are optimized etc ...

I also feel... the idea that you could throw - an arbitrary # of backlinks at a site/keyword phrase and let it go - and expect good ranking might be a fallacy as well. Gotta keep building, competitors never sleep.

For the term backlinks .... angela has 2,200 backlinks ... divided by 30 - would take you 73 months to get close.

Originally Posted by AnneE

Update on my own experiment -

Just to recap, since it's highly likely that anyone reading this post will NOT have read every post on the last 26 pages. Seeing Belgirl's original post, I decided too to try out Angela's theory which was basically to find a keyword phrase that had less than 500K competition (withOUT quotes), write an article in Goarticles on the keyword, post 30 links from her backlink packets to the article and the expected outcome was that it should be on the front page (top 10) of Google results for that keyword within a month. So I did this. My site jumped around and hit #5 in Google results about a week after I finished adding backlinks, which was 6/30.
Then it dropped to second page and it has kept on dropping and is now about #150. I know folks say it may bounce around a while. I guess, really if I was supposed to give the links a month, I should wait another week or so.

I am wondering if adding a link every day or two doesn't help maintain your ranking rather than doing them all in one shot. I keep seeing a pattern of a big jump and then a steady slide back lower in the rankings. Then I'll add a new link and see another big jump.

My own feeling is that the backlinks are a substantial assist and I'll continue to add them, but so far, unfortunately I have NOT found a guaranteed winning formula of:

this level-of-competition + this kind of website + this many backlinks = Google SUCCESS!!
What this and another WSO have done is make me more aware of a few lower-competition niches AND a couple ways of boosting search engine results quickly. And while I'm not finding them as easy pickings as I'd like, I'm still trying 4 - 6 (I've got 4 done and hope to do 2 more) of these niches to see if any other them are winners.

[Jeremy Kelsall]

Anne,

Try to build some different links along with the packet...Maybe some bookmarking with socialbot or even Join Ken Frys bookmarking club. If you get a variety of links, you will probably get a nice boost.

If you want, send me a PM with what your working on and I'll try to help you out a bit.

Jeremy

[truepers]

Diversification, moderation, patience... Jeremy123, great advice! We all get greedy, want instant gratification.

Here's my experience. Read about Angela's packets, got the freebie 30 backlinks for July, sat down at my laptop this morning, started scanning the forums looking for insights, ideas, strategies to best implement this tactic. Instead got this tsunami of abuse heaped upon one person.

Could you blame Angela for getting defensive?

I'm not saying valid questions about her product haven't been raised. In fact, I haven't used one of her sites yet, not until I get a better understanding of how to use them, and I may cancel my subscription unless Angela, or someone with experience in this type of thing, provides some clearer guidelines on how to safely (relatively speaking) use her backlinks (which to avoid, how often to link, etc.).

[Joe118]

You've put your finger on the problem EXACTLY. You can be safe all you want, if there are enough bad apples in the bin they will take you down with them no matter how well you behave.

Angela has already done a fantastic job explaining how best to use her link packets. This is the crux of the problem: there's no way for her to enforce that her advice will be followed, and in fact a lot of evidence exists that her advice is being ignored by many.

You can therefore follow Angela's advice -- it won't help you.

I did not see any personal abuse of her here, only criticism (whether justified or not) directed at her PRODUCT. One more time: if I said anything that hurted anyone's feeling or could be taken as personal abuse, then I apologize personally to each and everyone of you.

Originally Posted by truepers

Diversification, moderation, patience... Jeremy123, great advice! We all get greedy, want instant gratification.

...

I'm not saying valid questions about her product haven't been raised. In fact, I haven't used one of her sites yet, not until I get a better understanding of how to use them, and I may cancel my subscription unless Angela, or someone with experience in this type of thing, provides some clearer guidelines on how to safely (relatively speaking) use her backlinks (which to avoid, how often to link, etc.).

[Doug D]

Yes Joe, as a customer of Angela's, I cried like a little school girl...when you said I was a clueless noob. But I called my momma and she assured me that I wasn't, so I think I'm ok now.

Also-You say that the criticism was of her product and not of her.
I think most of us, yourself included, really weren't criticizing her or her product, but rather....the distribution method, and lack of willingness to acknowledge a potential present or future problem.
Of course, most of what is going to happen after the release ea. month, is out of her control anyway, regardless of distribution levels etc.

Originally Posted by Joe118

You've put your finger on the problem EXACTLY. You can be safe all you want, if there are enough bad apples in the bin they will take you down with them no matter how well you behave.

Angela has already done a fantastic job explaining how best to use her link packets. This is the crux of the problem: there's no way for her to enforce that her advice will be followed, and in fact a lot of evidence exists that her advice is being ignored by many.

You can therefore follow Angela's advice -- it won't help you.

I did not see any personal abuse of her here, only criticism (whether justified or not) directed at her PRODUCT. One more time: if I said anything that hurted anyone's feeling or could be taken as personal abuse, then I apologize personally to each and everyone of you.

[Doug D]

How's that going anyway? I know you indicated a positive experience a couple weeks ago? Just curious of your impressions today, and how significant an impact you feel that it can have? (Assuming of course, one is doing the other things that one should be doing)
I am referring to Ken's program by the way, which I suppose I could have told you in my first sentence.
Things like: Have you seen evidence of *some* of them actually getting indexed? (Which I have yet to really witness with another service that I have used)
So, just curious?

Thanks man,
Doug

Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall

Anne,

Try to build some different links along with the packet...Maybe some bookmarking with socialbot or even Join Ken Frys bookmarking club. If you get a variety of links, you will probably get a nice boost.

If you want, send me a PM with what your working on and I'll try to help you out a bit.

Jeremy

[willsmith]

Originally Posted by Doug D

I am referring to Ken's program by the way, which I suppose I could have told you in my first sentence.
Things like: Have you seen evidence of *some* of them actually getting indexed? (Which I have yet to really witness with another service that I have used)
So, just curious?

Doug, I am a member of Ken's program, and yes, in fact the program works quite well. One of my websites I submitted to the program finally worked it's way to search results page 1, position 1 on big G. Not only that, one of the bookmarks created during the program was also sitting at position 10 on page one for several days. So, yes it works.

[askloz]

Originally Posted by Doug D

Yes Joe, as a customer of Angela's, I cried like a little school girl...when you said I was a clueless noob. But I called my momma and she assured me that I wasn't, so I think I'm ok now.

LMFAO too funny.

Originally Posted by Doug D

Also-You say that the criticism was of her product and not of her.
I think most of us, yourself included, really weren't criticizing her or her product, but rather....the distribution method, and lack of willingness to acknowledge a potential present or future problem.

Exactly, amazing at how many just take the wrong end of the stick.

[funky_budha]

this is cool. I will lock on this, since i have heard of angela and paul's so much that i too want to know if it does really work.

[bgmacaw]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

I did about 150 angela and paul backlinks to one of my sites, now, why don't any of them show in the yahoo site explorer? Blog and other links usually show up within two days, and I've done those links a MONTH ago.

Probably because those pages haven't been visited by the Yahoo bot. It's rather slow compared to Google bot. Also, if there are no public links pointing to the profile, it might never get visited. The 'bots rarely spider an entire forum or Web 2.0 site all at once in order to save time so it's quite likely your profile hasn't even been visited yet, especially if you haven't posted on that forum.

Basically, don't worry about when your links are going to show up. It can be a long wait for a bus that doesn't show up.

[kaizen0909]

I am brand spanking new here. Read every single one of the 1288 posts and I can say its an absolutely brilliant thread. But for the wrong reasons.

I have learnt so much and for that thank you all. Expecially Angela and belgirl.

I am in the process of developing my online business and I am in a very competitive market, but I have already, due to this thread, found competitive keywords I can possibly make a difference with. Hooray I hear you shout!

I have read and understood the process angela promotes through backlinking (as do you all), however her method links to articles/her site to promote her own website.

My e-commerce site (to match my bricks and mortar business) isn't finished yet and I just wanted to check whether its best for me to have a finished site with content to promote, or just start bulding the rank for the single/blog page I have up already (its been optimised for my keywords already)

Did I mention 8hrs to read this whole thread completel and follow every link?

yes, my wife is not happy!

THanks in advance for your replies

[jendoe]

Thanks Loz, your response does help me understand a bit more where you guys are coming from.

I can appreciate the fact that with so many people posting at the same sites, it's getting noticed by the webmasters more, although I don't understand why, in that case, you guys aren't just as upset at the people who post list of backlinks for free on the forum. Surely these lists have the potential to drive even larger numbers of people to these sites than a service that requires even a nominal fee?

re: The ethics... that's a good question. I can understand how spamming a forum with irrelevant posts is not good (I haven't run a forum, but I've been on enough to know now how disruptive it is when a new person pops in and is only interested in self-promotion. They usually get ripped apart pretty quickly )

But - I'm not clear on how putting a link in a profile or bio page hurts anyone. The page is not in people's faces (they pretty much need to go searching for my profile, I'm not sending it to them - they are requesting it, if they ever see it, which they likely won't!) Further, a profile/bio is by definition "info about me" which may not be relevant to the particular forum, it's about "who am I?".

(My link, as per the "experiment" is also NOT to a sales page. It's to an article on goarticles. Rather than just leave the link, I tend to write a mini-profile, "Here are my interests, or what I"m doing and studying at the moment and by the way, I also like writing. Here's my latest article about my keyword. Enjoy.")

Oh - and fair is fair! If it's not ethical for 100 people to leave a link, then it's not ethical for one person, who finds the page on their own to leave a link either... Either it's ethical or it's not, no matter where the link comes from...

Anyway, you've given me something to think about, so thanks for that!

[4morereferrals]

Dude .. seriously ... a couple things.

Cheap Car Insurance and Website hosting ...??? could you have picked 2 harder keywords to rank for? LOL ... you got a long road ahead brother - but hey - rock on!

Why no links in yahoo site explorer? 2 possible reasons ...

1. Your profiles or links were deleted

2. You have them on a page that likely wont get spiders - so u need to bring the bots TO them.

We're using scripts to grab the profile page urls and the rss feed urls that are hanging off most of these web 2.0 type of community sites ... ping them, bookmark them, rss aggregate them - rinse / repeat.

Full profile filled ... 1 blog post [ or 5 ] , 2 photos.... total of 15+ links and pinged, bookmarked, and rss feeds.... agg'd at feedage and feedag.com in under 10 minutes a site :-)

stuff showing up in yahoo site explorer in days - sometimes a week ...

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Can someone please explain this to me:

I did about 150 angela and paul backlinks to one of my sites, now, why don't any of them show in the yahoo site explorer? Blog and other links usually show up within two days, and I've done those links a MONTH ago.

[jw007]

I wrote earlier that my site disappeared from google in a particular keyword. That's true, many of my sites disappeared. But all those sites are in English. I live in a country where lives under 10 million people, and there is also the same amount of people who speaks my native language. I have got the excellent results by using Angela's and Paul's backlinks with my websites which are written in my native language. I have got many of my pages to top positions (3-10) in Google and in a few days. And these keywords (only one word, not a term) are very competitive. Even millions of search results in Google. I have about 15 websites in English and in my native language, but I can't understand why this backlinking does not work with my English websites. I have only got good results with terms like "learn how to cook food" but that's not a competitive keyword term at all. If you are going to build those backlinks from high PR sites, you should to be sure that webmasters won't remove your links. That should be quite easy to find out how to do that. And you can get hundreds of good backlinks for free without all the people spamming their links at the same time, but sorry I don't want to tell how to do that (even it's not a big secret). I wish all the success to everyone. Thanks Angela and Paul for your good sources of backlinks.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Franco Mocke

Can someone please explain this to me:

I did about 150 angela and paul backlinks to one of my sites, now, why don't any of them show in the yahoo site explorer? Blog and other links usually show up within two days, and I've done those links a MONTH ago.

The same thing is happening with my profiles… I’ve done over a hundred to several sites and they don’t appear on Yahoo Site explorer or Google Webmaster Page, no even one link…:confused:

However blog post and other backlinks I create shows in about one or two days…

I’m not trying to badmouth Angela’s or Paul’s products here, but is it possible that because the spams, the search engines have already started to ignore those types of links?

I bookmark every profile in about 10 different social sites to help the search engines find the profiles sooner… but nothing happens…

On other note, I just found a site that takes care of BLOG POSTING for me for free. You just submit an article and the system posts it up to 30 blogs in your niche with your links on it. This is a great service and it is free. The site is Free Traffic System.

It is a good practice to diversify your backlinks sources, and if you are using Angela’s packages it is a must…

[banker0679]

1. There is a difference in title tags and meta tags. N
2. If you change your title tag YOUR RANKINGS WILL DROP. It may take up to 3-4 weeks for your rankings to come back after the change but IT WILL DROP. Most ppl see the drop and change it back automatically, and never seeing what the 'new results' would've been with the new title tag. I changed my title tag for a site and saw a 2 page drop. After 2.5 weeks it was 1 page higher then when I first started with it

3. Angela may not be a competitive keyword but it shows that the links do work. I love how you guys are arguing that it's not worth anything to rank for 'Angela'. Duh. Should Angela start giving you her money keywords?
Which is harder...to rank for competitive keywords or money keywords?
Competitive
What's the difference?
Not everyone knows the money keywords, and everyone likes to rank for keywords that 'they think makes money'. There are others who like to rank for keywords because they like ranking for words.
Money keywords are a lot EASIER TO RANK FOR.

here's the logic for the wannabe marketers who don't know how to use some common sense
a. If you rank for well known keywords or competitive keywords then you'll be able to rank for the money keywords
b. Very few ppl will hand you their Money keyword list
c. Money keywords are USUALLY long tail keywords which everyone (and their grandmother) KNOWS is much easier to rank for than a short tail keyword.
For example ..... lot easier to rank for SEO BLOG than SEO

4. Most of the sites that are blocking links are looking out for harder when adult sites are being promoted. If you add your regular site then these sites normally dont care too much. When adult sites are being used then the moderators will a lot CLOSER TO THE LINKS or profiles being created. The admins will start deleting MOST of the new registrations because they're not dumb. They will look at all the new registrations as COMING FROM THE SAME PERSON OR GROUP. A few adult links will ruin it for everyone else

5. for you guys that need common sense.....create profiles...wait a few days or weeks THEN COME BACK AND ADD LINKS

I'm surprised that a lot of you "SEOs" haven't figured out how Angela gets these backlinks.
I still rather pay then go looking for links.

[banker0679]

google and/or yahoo will not show all of your backlinks

I have 1 domain that has over 50 edus that are dofollow
Yahoo shows half...and Google shows ZERO.

My rankings still moved up when they were added

Originally Posted by djbory

The same thing is happening with my profiles… I’ve done over a hundred to several sites and they don’t appear on Yahoo Site explorer or Google Webmaster Page, no even one link…:confused:

However blog post and other backlinks I create shows in about one or two days…

I’m not trying to badmouth Angela’s or Paul’s products here, but is it possible that because the spams, the search engines have already started to ignore those types of links?

I bookmark every profile in about 10 different social sites to help the search engines find the profiles sooner… but nothing happens…

On other note, I just found a site that takes care of BLOG POSTING for me for free. You just submit an article and the system posts it up to 30 blogs in your niche with your links on it. This is a great service and it is free. The site is Free Traffic System.

It is a good practice to diversify your backlinks sources, and if you are using Angela’s packages it is a must…

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Musa_Aykac

FTS is a lot like a pyramid scheme, just look at the way they add unrelated links onto your article

It is a FREE service my friend.

Why do I care? what matters to me is this: EVERY TIME I submit an article they post it to 30 blogs, some of them with nice PR, PERIOD. And it is free!

I have submitted several articles and I have hundreds of new backlinks in my websites and they show up in yahoo site explorer almost immediately. I got RESULTS and fast!

This service takes care of my daily blog posting. You get more backlinks if you refer people, but you don't have to.

The service is free because it is a way to promote other paying products they have, but you don't have to buy anything.

If you don't like unrelated links just don't refer anybody.. Just get the free juicy...:rolleyes:

DJBory

[djbory]

Originally Posted by banker0679

1. There is a difference in title tags and meta tags. N
2. If you change your title tag YOUR RANKINGS WILL DROP. It may take up to 3-4 weeks for your rankings to come back after the change but IT WILL DROP. Most ppl see the drop and change it back automatically, and never seeing what the 'new results' would've been with the new title tag. I changed my title tag for a site and saw a 2 page drop. After 2.5 weeks it was 1 page higher then when I first started with it

3. Angela may not be a competitive keyword but it shows that the links do work. I love how you guys are arguing that it's not worth anything to rank for 'Angela'. Duh. Should Angela start giving you her money keywords?
Which is harder...to rank for competitive keywords or money keywords?
Competitive
What's the difference?
Not everyone knows the money keywords, and everyone likes to rank for keywords that 'they think makes money'. There are others who like to rank for keywords because they like ranking for words.
Money keywords are a lot EASIER TO RANK FOR.

here's the logic for the wannabe marketers who don't know how to use some common sense
a. If you rank for well known keywords or competitive keywords then you'll be able to rank for the money keywords
b. Very few ppl will hand you their Money keyword list
c. Money keywords are USUALLY long tail keywords which everyone (and their grandmother) KNOWS is much easier to rank for than a short tail keyword.
For example ..... lot easier to rank for SEO BLOG than SEO

4. Most of the sites that are blocking links are looking out for harder when adult sites are being promoted. If you add your regular site then these sites normally dont care too much. When adult sites are being used then the moderators will a lot CLOSER TO THE LINKS or profiles being created. The admins will start deleting MOST of the new registrations because they're not dumb. They will look at all the new registrations as COMING FROM THE SAME PERSON OR GROUP. A few adult links will ruin it for everyone else

5. for you guys that need common sense.....create profiles...wait a few days or weeks THEN COME BACK AND ADD LINKS

I'm surprised that a lot of you "SEOs" haven't figured out how Angela gets these backlinks.
I still rather pay then go looking for links.

Hey banker, I read the blog that you are linking to about SEO... I have already two sites that have been penalized, how can I found out if my PR bar tunrs grey? and how can I turn a page 'NO FOLLOW' on a HTML site? would you explain, please...

DJBory

[banker0679]

if you were/are penalized then you wouldn't find your site in the index

most ppl think they are penalized when in reality they just fell into one of Google's filters

1. go to google.com and put site:domain.com
If your site doesn't appear then there's a high change that you're out of the index

2. You can download the google toolbar to view pagerank or you can download the addons in Firefox like SEO for firefox or SEO quake. You can also check it on http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php

3. to add Nofollow (i'm assuming that you're speaking about Pagerank Sculpting) you will need to add the rel="nofollow" to links you dont want followed

<a rel="nofollow" href="http://domain.com/">keywords</a>

Originally Posted by djbory

Hey banker, I read the blog that you are linking to about SEO... I have already two sites that have been penalized, how can I found out if my PR bar tunrs grey? and how can I turn a page 'NO FOLLOW' on a HTML site? would you explain, please...

DJBory

[4morereferrals]

3. Angela may not be a competitive keyword but it shows that the links do work. I love how you guys are arguing that it's not worth anything to rank for 'Angela'. Duh. Should Angela start giving you her money keywords?
Which is harder...to rank for competitive keywords or money keywords?
Competitive
What's the difference?
Not everyone knows the money keywords, and everyone likes to rank for keywords that 'they think makes money'. There are others who like to rank for keywords because they like ranking for words.
Money keywords are a lot EASIER TO RANK FOR.

here's the logic for the wannabe marketers who don't know how to use some common sense
a. If you rank for well known keywords or competitive keywords then you'll be able to rank for the money keywords
b. Very few ppl will hand you their Money keyword list
c. Money keywords are USUALLY long tail keywords which everyone (and their grandmother) KNOWS is much easier to rank for than a short tail keyword.
For example ..... lot easier to rank for SEO BLOG than SEO

Gave me a smile ... I LOL all the time - SEO's ranking on Angela for optimizing for that term and "backlinks" - and screaming - those arent competitive - or - whats the point - nobody wants else want to rank for those - there's no commecial intent etc ...

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by banker0679

if you were/are penalized then you wouldn't find your site in the index

most ppl think they are penalized when in reality they just fell into one of Google's filters

1. go to google.com and put site:domain.com
If your site doesn't appear then there's a high change that you're out of the index

2. You can download the google toolbar to view pagerank or you can download the addons in Firefox like SEO for firefox or SEO quake. You can also check it on http://www.prchecker.info/check_page_rank.php

3. to add Nofollow (i'm assuming that you're speaking about Pagerank Sculpting) you will need to add the rel="nofollow" to links you dont want followed

<a rel="nofollow" href="http://domain.com/">keywords</a>

I disagree. Do a search for:
google minus 30 penalty
or
google minus 60 penalty

And there are other "minus" penalties...

These refer to possible penalties that drop pages 30 places, 60 places, etc.

[djbory]

Originally Posted by Kurt

I disagree. Do a search for:
google minus 30 penalty
or
google minus 60 penalty

And there are other "minus" penalties...

These refer to possible penalties that drop pages 30 places, 60 places, etc.

Well my site is still indexed, because when I do the search with wwwmydomain.com it shows... But it is not showing nowhere else for any of the keywords...and that site was in page one for all keywords 3 weeks ago...

That's a different type of penalty...maybe 'google minus 5,000,000'...

DJBory

[Doug D]

Thanks brother, your alright for a Red Coat!

Originally Posted by askloz

LMFAO too funny.




Exactly, amazing at how many just take the wrong end of the stick.

[Doug D]

R.
If they'd stumbled onto your article...then they would know.
Unfortunately it's noisy as hell out there...so finding the nuggets can be a challenge. The savvy, will get it on their own, with a little forethought.

Originally Posted by banker0679

1. There is a difference in title tags and meta tags. N
2. If you change your title tag YOUR RANKINGS WILL DROP. It may take up to 3-4 weeks for your rankings to come back after the change but IT WILL DROP. Most ppl see the drop and change it back automatically, and never seeing what the 'new results' would've been with the new title tag. I changed my title tag for a site and saw a 2 page drop. After 2.5 weeks it was 1 page higher then when I first started with it

3. Angela may not be a competitive keyword but it shows that the links do work. I love how you guys are arguing that it's not worth anything to rank for 'Angela'. Duh. Should Angela start giving you her money keywords?
Which is harder...to rank for competitive keywords or money keywords?
Competitive
What's the difference?
Not everyone knows the money keywords, and everyone likes to rank for keywords that 'they think makes money'. There are others who like to rank for keywords because they like ranking for words.
Money keywords are a lot EASIER TO RANK FOR.

here's the logic for the wannabe marketers who don't know how to use some common sense
a. If you rank for well known keywords or competitive keywords then you'll be able to rank for the money keywords
b. Very few ppl will hand you their Money keyword list
c. Money keywords are USUALLY long tail keywords which everyone (and their grandmother) KNOWS is much easier to rank for than a short tail keyword.
For example ..... lot easier to rank for SEO BLOG than SEO

4. Most of the sites that are blocking links are looking out for harder when adult sites are being promoted. If you add your regular site then these sites normally dont care too much. When adult sites are being used then the moderators will a lot CLOSER TO THE LINKS or profiles being created. The admins will start deleting MOST of the new registrations because they're not dumb. They will look at all the new registrations as COMING FROM THE SAME PERSON OR GROUP. A few adult links will ruin it for everyone else

5. for you guys that need common sense.....create profiles...wait a few days or weeks THEN COME BACK AND ADD LINKS

I'm surprised that a lot of you "SEOs" haven't figured out how Angela gets these backlinks.
I still rather pay then go looking for links.

[banker0679]

i guess you dont get it

MAYBE IF I YELL...

it's HARDER TO RANK FOR WELL KNOWN KEYWORDS THAN MONEY KEYWORDS

not everyone knows the money keywords but everyone knows the regular keywords that they think will generate $$$

the keyword

SEO

doesnt generate $$$$...but i would LOVE TO SEE YOU RANK FOR IT

I understand that it may not bring $$$ but there are a LOT MORE PPL TRYING TO RANK FOR THE KEYWORD 'SEO' then there are those who are trying to rank for SEO SERVICES

again....not everyone knows the COMMERCIAL INTENT or MONEY KEYWORDS
It's a LOT EASIER to rank for money keywords because EVERYONE DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

Not everyone knows how to do keyword research
Not everyone knows about the adlab from microsoft
Not everyone knows about wordtracker, keyworddiscovery, etc.

You make it sound like everyone knows SEO on the internet.
The fact is that there aren't many ppl who know SEO so you can't possibly state that ranking for MONEY KEYWORDS is easier than COMMON KEYWORDS

If Angela can rank for 'Angela' or 'backlinks' then I'm certain she can rank for competitive terms. Just because they don't generate MONEY doesnt mean that they are easy to rank for.

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Gave me a smile ... I LOL all the time - SEO's ranking on Angela for optimizing for that term and "backlinks" - and screaming - those arent competitive - or - whats the point - nobody wants else want to rank for those - there's no commecial intent etc ...

[banker0679]

not a penalty....more like a filter

google moves sites up/down due to onpage optimization or offpage

if you dont have your title tag....and you're not on page 1...is that a penalty or filter?
that's a filter because your site is not optimized
the Algo filters out all the sites...and places the best ones on the top

if you have 10 million affiliate links without the NOFOLLOW then you're leaking juice, and your website probably has zero authority.
Google will FILTER your site out because your authority/trust/page/link rank is LOW

Once you change your site then Google automatically updates the Algo, and reranks your site.

If you were penalized then you would need to do the reinclusion request for your site to be taken out of the penalty box.

Rule of thumb for Penalty is if you need to do a reinclusion request then you were penalized

If you just need to change your site to rank higher then you were under one Google filters

Originally Posted by Kurt

I disagree. Do a search for:
google minus 30 penalty
or
google minus 60 penalty

And there are other "minus" penalties...

These refer to possible penalties that drop pages 30 places, 60 places, etc.

[banker0679]

nah that's not the article

there's one way that i haven't seen anyone write on the internet

i'm not going to 'spill the beans' as too many ppl will take advantage of it.

one thing for sure is that i know for a fact that the Top Blackhat spammers already know how to do it as I see them doing it already

Originally Posted by Doug D

R.
If they'd stumbled onto your article...then they would know.
Unfortunately it's noisy as hell out there...so finding the nuggets can be a challenge. The savvy, will get it on their own, with a little forethought.

[Kurt]

It's not often I see this many blatant mistakes in a single post.

Nope. It's a penalty. In the examples I gave above, you'd be PENALIZED 30 positions. If the page was "filtered", it wouldn't be in the SERPs at all.

As far as your question about the Page Title, in your example, it would be neither. In this case, it would likely be not having enough "relevancy points", or whatever you want to call it.

Also, you are mistaken about "authority leaking out". Niether authority nor PageRank leaks "out" from a page, draining it of it's "authority". Linking to a bad neighborhood may affect "authority", although in the case of a page with many links it would be the "hub score", not authority score, that is affected.

If I change my site, Google does NOT change their algo. The results of how the algo scored my site would change.

If you're site isn't in the index, then it was banned, possibly due to some penalty. But to say any and all penalties results in a ban is incorrect.

A site that has a filter applied, like for doop content, won't appear in most SERPs, but the page is still in the index. This is a filter.

Originally Posted by banker0679

not a penalty....more like a filter

google moves sites up/down due to onpage optimization or offpage

if you dont have your title tag....and you're not on page 1...is that a penalty or filter?
that's a filter because your site is not optimized
the Algo filters out all the sites...and places the best ones on the top

if you have 10 million affiliate links without the NOFOLLOW then you're leaking juice, and your website probably has zero authority.
Google will FILTER your site out because your authority/trust/page/link rank is LOW

Once you change your site then Google automatically updates the Algo, and reranks your site.

If you were penalized then you would need to do the reinclusion request for your site to be taken out of the penalty box.

Rule of thumb for Penalty is if you need to do a reinclusion request then you were penalized

If you just need to change your site to rank higher then you were under one Google filters

[banker0679]

nope

you have to learn the basics of ranking

everything adds up

1. backlinks
2. title tags
3. content
4. age of domain
5. etc

just because you lack one of those doesnt mean you will be PENALIZED
it means you will get filtered out

3 domains
1st domain is 10yrs old...has exact match domain....100 backlinks ..and ranks as #1
(Meets the criteria to rank as #1)

2nd domain is 1 yr old ..and has 1 keyword in domain..and 50 backlinks..and is on page #2
(doesnt have enough criteria to be on page 1)

3rd domain was registered yesterday..has no keyword in domain..and no backlinks..page 50
(hardly has or doesnt have any of the criteria)

as you can see Google filters out the best and ranks accordingly.
You are NOT PENALIZED because you registered yesterday and/or have no backlinks

YOU ARE FILTERED OUT

If you were penalized then NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO it's not going to move you up in rankings or get you indexed because you're PENALIZED! duh

the way to get out of penalty is to undo what got you there..and FILL OUT A REINCLUSION REQUEST!

You can't fill out a reinclusion request because you dropped in rankings.
I dropped in rankings MANY TIMES and have just added backlinks, and it fixed the situation.
If it was a penalty then I wouldn't move

Originally Posted by Kurt

It's not often I see this many blatant mistakes in a single post.

Nope. It's a penalty. In the examples I gave above, you'd be PENALIZED 30 positions. If the page was "filtered", it wouldn't be in the SERPs at all.

As far as your question about the Page Title, in your example, it would be neither. In this case, it would likely be not having enough "relevancy points", or whatever you want to call it.

Also, you are mistaken about "authority leaking out". Niether authority nor PageRank leaks "out" from a page, draining it of it's "authority". Linking to a bad neighborhood may affect "authority", although in the case of a page with many links it would be the "hub score", not authority score, that is affected.

If I change my site, Google does NOT change their algo. The results of how the algo scored my site would change.

If you're site isn't in the index, then it was banned, possibly due to some penalty. But to say any and all penalties results in a ban is incorrect.

A site that has a filter applied, like for doop content, won't appear in most SERPs, but the page is still in the index. This is a filter.

[4morereferrals]

Banker,


Uhhhh not sure where the disconnect was with your interpretation of my post - but I was and am in total agreement with you. No need to shout bro ... Im trackin' ya ...

What I was saying and somewhat re-iterating your post, was that ....

I get a laugh out of several of the people giving Angela a hard time for her examples she uses to illustrate her products' / systems effectiveness.

I see her get grief every once in a while from people [ not me ] indicating her examples arent good ones because they arent $$$$ keywords or ... that there is little commercial intent for those keywords [ backlinks and angela ] BUT- thats not the point - the point is that others are - whether intentionally or not building backlinks in gobs to both of those and its hard - much harder than say "high quality backlinks" or "get more backlinks" or some other random commercial intent long tail. I know - ive been bouncing around 8-11 for backlinks for a few weeks now.

Just thought Id clarify so we were on the same page. No mas ... no need to shout

Originally Posted by banker0679

i guess you dont get it

MAYBE IF I YELL...

it's HARDER TO RANK FOR WELL KNOWN KEYWORDS THAN MONEY KEYWORDS

not everyone knows the money keywords but everyone knows the regular keywords that they think will generate $$$

the keyword

SEO

doesnt generate $$$$...but i would LOVE TO SEE YOU RANK FOR IT

I understand that it may not bring $$$ but there are a LOT MORE PPL TRYING TO RANK FOR THE KEYWORD 'SEO' then there are those who are trying to rank for SEO SERVICES

again....not everyone knows the COMMERCIAL INTENT or MONEY KEYWORDS
It's a LOT EASIER to rank for money keywords because EVERYONE DOESNT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.

Not everyone knows how to do keyword research
Not everyone knows about the adlab from microsoft
Not everyone knows about wordtracker, keyworddiscovery, etc.

You make it sound like everyone knows SEO on the internet.
The fact is that there aren't many ppl who know SEO so you can't possibly state that ranking for MONEY KEYWORDS is easier than COMMON KEYWORDS

If Angela can rank for 'Angela' or 'backlinks' then I'm certain she can rank for competitive terms. Just because they don't generate MONEY doesnt mean that they are easy to rank for.

[daveshu]

Well,
my customers website has duly disappeared from Google again, but Ive now discovered 2 rip off sites.

One has copied a few pages, the other has ripped off the entire website - I guess this won't be helping :rolleyes:

I've reported it to Google, my customer is contacting the webmasters concerned, then we'll be filing DMCA reports.

What do you think - is this the cause of the problem, and are we likely to be successful in getting the offending sites removed?

Thx

[banker0679]

sorry man

Originally Posted by 4morereferrals

Banker,


Uhhhh not sure where the disconnect was with your interpretation of my post - but I was and am in total agreement with you. No need to shout bro ... Im trackin' ya ...

What I was saying and somewhat re-iterating your post, was that ....

I get a laugh out of several of the people giving Angela a hard time for her examples she uses to illustrate her products' / systems effectiveness.

I see her get grief every once in a while from people [ not me ] indicating her examples arent good ones because they arent $$$$ keywords or ... that there is little commercial intent for those keywords [ backlinks and angela ] BUT- thats not the point - the point is that others are - whether intentionally or not building backlinks in gobs to both of those and its hard - much harder than say "high quality backlinks" or "get more backlinks" or some other random commercial intent long tail. I know - ive been bouncing around 8-11 for backlinks for a few weeks now.

Just thought Id clarify so we were on the same page. No mas ... no need to shout

[charlie88]

I've heard great things about those packets by Angela and Paul. Im a newbie, how do i need to get one of those packets to try?