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The results in Google are definately pages. I thought this was common knowledge with all internet marketers. Askloz does know his stuff when it comes to SEO. I know that for fact. Although, on the other hand Angelas packets DO work. I've seen great results for decent keywords. ie - top 5 on page 1 for my main keywords. I've seen huge jumps within just a few weeks. ie - page 5 to page 1 etc. Hopefully they'll improve or at least stay there. |
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Angela, I'm not picking sides here, but the fact that Yahoo has more results than Google is probably more to do with the fact that they are far less picky than Google when indexing pages. Yahoo ignore the no-follow attribute too (I think this is Googles invention and only they use it) so that might also account for the higher numbers. |
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The backlinks in my (and other user's) "angela experiments" couldn't be any more "irrelevant": Just the keyword in the anchor text placed in an environment that has absolutely no relevance whatsoever with the keyword itself. The only thing that these backlinks have in common is that they are placed on high PR sites. Don't get me wrong. I want to understand the reasoning behind your comments and I'm sure you are far more experienced in this than I am. Sorry, but do you really think that the example given in that article makes sense? I'd be disappointed... |
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Google rates a site on 'content' - now, if you create a site and see it become indexed for it's keyword/url title - then what you are seeing is the 'new to google' experience. Put yourself into the 'I am a google bot' syndrome. You are searching for sites based on the search term, and a new site comes into vision with that term or anchor text - you show it in SERP. Now, if that site simply sits there unchanged, it will drop in SERP - Googlebots are not geared up to see the Internal pagerank, never have been - it would mean the bot making two trips. It's all about content and relevance. Both on cached keywords relating to other searches, and the anchor text. You may find this thread useful. http://www.webproworld.com/search-en...h-content.html |
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The only way for Google to counter manipulated backlinks is to either manually check each link for veracity or to develop an automatic method. The web is way to big for manual checking and I'm not sure an automatic method for doing link checking cannot be gamed somehow. Unless they've developed a human level AI, I think backlinks are safe. It would be ironic if the AI that enslaved or destroyed humanity (Skynet/Matrix) evolved from Googles link checking algorithms. | |
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I think PR is important. Why? What kind of links have the major sites that rank on the best keywords? They have footer links and sidebar links on high PR sites. Sites that often are not closely related. What would you prefer? A footer link at EZA or an anchored link in a very relevant article? |
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What I'm saying is that Google ranks each SITE for the keyword and Yahoo ranks each PAGE. For example: I have 4, 046 posts here on the Warrior Forum. I have Angela in my signature file as a backlink. If you were to look in the Yahoo Site Explorer, you'd probably see most of those PAGES where my sig file is listed. Yahoo lists, in their index, every PAGE where my sig file sits as a result for the keyword Angela. Google counts the Warrior sig file Angela as ONE result. Therefore: Yahoo has 4,046 (well, fewer than that, as my sig file appears more than once on some pages) results listed for the keyword Angela because of my sig file here on the Warrior Forum while Google has ONE result listed because of my sig file. I know that what you SEE in Google's index is pages. I could rank in Google for my Angela PAGE (which I do) and then again in Google for another PAGE on my website for another keyword. That's NOT what I'm saying. | |
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Just nipping back to the subject of your actual competition being your search term within quotes i.e. "cheap car insurance"... Angela, Loz may be far from the most gracious guy in the forum, but unfortunately he is right. I've seen you come a cropper on this a few times but I think it's just a slight misunderstanding on your part. See, nobody is saying that people will type in their search term in quote marks. But if you want to know your true competition, you have to run a search in quotes to see which web pages contain your phrase in its entirety. If you run a search without quotes that just gives you web pages which contain the words somewhere on the page... not necessarily in the order of your key-phrase. So... your TRUE competition only shows up when you type it in using quotation marks. It's nothing to do with what people type into Google but how Google ranks your site. |
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However, what marketers want to rank high for is what their customers will see when THEY do a web search. And most customers WON'T use quotes. Many people don't even KNOW about using quotes for searching. | |
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If you do your competition with quote marks you can see your ACTUAL competition because Google will always rank your site higher than the ones with the keywords split up over the page so... You will eventually rank at the top without the quotes anyway. Yes... what your customers actually type in. Searching WITH quotes just gives US an idea of the ACTUAL competitors. Folks with the keyphrase split up all over their web page aren't our competition at all. Google will always rank our page above them simply because we have the words in the right order. Make sense? I'm confusing myself now... | |
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However, marketers want to be at the top for what their customers will see when they do searches. Also, when you have one-word keywords, how is it that "Angela" is different from Angela? Or "Backlinks" different from Backlinks? For my own keywords, I AM at the top for my "true competition" because my keywords are only ONE WORD. In any case, the backlinks work to get you at the top of the results your customers will see when they do a search for your keyword. While that might not be the "true competition", as some have said, all those results are results that you would HAVE to beat if you want to get to the top of what your customers will see. | |
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I think we'll have to agree to disagree even though we're kind of in agreement Your backlinks DO work Angela, of course they do, but sometimes the competition to get to the top of Google isn't as steep as you think...
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But monetarily speaking, it won't do me ANY good at all. That's because I am actually number 867 when the people who I want to buy my product are searching for those keywords. | |
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Ok I hung around...
Angela... if you beat the competition with quotes you WILL be top of Google without quotes anyway. That's what we mean by TRUE competition... those are the guys you need to beat to get to the top! | |
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You don't automatically end up at the top for your keyword without quotes just because you are at the top for your keyword WITH quotes. It doesn't work that way, especially in the VERY competitive markets. | |
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15th Jun 2009, 11:52 AM | #169 | |
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So that's who you're really competing against. A search without quotes gives us those sites as well as sites that have the words split up all over the page. These latter sites will be beaten automatically because our phrase is more relevant. Do you think Google will rank a site for the term "cheap car insurance" which contains the phrase exactly below one that has the words split up all over the page? Of course not. That's why I'm saying searches within quotes are your REAL competition. And again... I'm not saying anybody searches for anything within quotes except for us marketers. We do that so Google gives us results with the complete phrase in that order. That's who we have to beat to get to the top! Right, I really am going now... | |
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Wow, this thread has definitely gotten off of the original posters topic. Always seems to happen this way. The reality is that if I have a website that ranks #1 for the term cheap car insurance I'm going to make so much money that I'll be too busy buying islands in the Caribbean to post here any longer. Stepping back from all the alleged SEO knowledge being thrown around here isn't it really the actual results that matter most? Quite a few SEO gurus were Google slapped a while back. Does that mean they don't know what they are doing? Or perhaps that what was working well for them at that time suddenly became less effective. Who cares what the "true" competition is if I'm ranking well and making money. Since the search algorithms are not exactly known it's impossible to say with certainty what will work or not work at any particular time. It could change tomorrow - and probably will. I'm actually more interested in the original posters results then all the bickering about "true" competition etc. Most SEO gurus will not provide specific tests of their knowledge just as most IM marketers will not show their own true results from utilizing their own product. Mainly because if they fail to produce good results their status of "guru" will be lost. In this thread we possibly have an actual test of a specific technique. I look forward to seeing the results regardless of the detailed aspects underlying the SEO involved. If anyone wants to prove that their system or knowledge is better then feel free to start a thread and test your system so we can all see the results. You don't have to reveal details, just follow a similar path as this thread (preferably without the bickering - or piffle). Then we can all see who is a guru and who isn't. If not then why post in these threads anyway? Just my 2. |
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Marketers aren't the ONLY ones who use quotes, though. My mom is an Associated Press reporter and I know that SHE uses quotes when she searches. I don't think she knows ALL the 'search tricks' that we marketers know about, though. | |
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"how to find a cheap car" "best cupcake recipe" "make money without risk" ...and so on. The winner with quotes is not automatically the winner without quotes. However, I think everybody knows about the with/without quotes stuff, so no need to discuss this further. | |
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Just a quick note about this, though. If there is to be an "experiment" to show whether my method works or not, it has to be an 'experiment' of ONLY my method. You can't add something to it, or do it "with a slight twist" or any of that, as that won't be actually an 'experiment' of my method. If someone wants to pick a keyword that has 500,000 or fewer results and write an article and put it on Goarticles and use ONLY the backlinks in my packets and nothing else, then that person can tell us what their results were as far as ranking in Google's index. Check your results to start out, whether you were actually IN the index for that keyword or whether you were not, and then tell us where you ended up after using the backlinks. I would do the backlinks and then give it a few days so that you can be sure Google "saw" all the links. You might want to do the experiment with one packet and track your results and then do another packet and track your results again. But an experiment of my method with something else added to it is not a real experiment of my actual method, no offense intended toward anyone. | |
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Its important that you dont vary the anchor text or you will be wasting your efforts to achieve mediocre. I'm sure it is possible that at some point you can get penalized for this... though I'm not sure how it will work. If you got penalized for this, you could simply generate a ton of backlinks for your biggest competitor and get them penalized.
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This isn't entirely true. While there are a lot of crappy directories out there, there are several that are an absolute must in terms of submitting too. |
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Up until a short time ago, Google actually advised people to submit to directories in their Google Webmaster Guidelines. After all, in theory, submitting to a directory could be done for perfectly legitimate reasons, like driving traffic to your site, or helping the search engine spider to find your site in the first place.Submitting to Directories - Is it Really Worth it? Here is another article about directories: Submitting to Directories - Free Submission Tips While there still might be a few good directories out there, I usually advise people to stay away from them. You can get more good backlinks of various types from the packets and you don't run the risk that you "might" get penalized. | |
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As of today, I am still bouncing from Page 4 to Page 5 in the results. I have only used the search term "Panic Attack Heart Symptoms" (no quotes) with one article at GoArticles and now about 60 backlinks pointing to the affiliate link that is listed in the article. It seems to be taking people 2 weeks or more to see any real movement. I am giving it another week! | |
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No, the backlinks point to the article itself. You are "borrowing" the strength of the article directory to get your ARTICLE to the top of Google. From the article, people will click your affiliate link and buy your product. You have a lot better chance of getting the article to the top of Google more quickly and in a higher position than you have your affiliate link, at least right away.
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Angela I totally agree with you that the article has a better chance, in other words this may be called - "Promote the Promoter". However very few people click on the affiliate link in the resource box. Of the few that do click and land on our site, again only a few read thru the article or post and click to final merchant landing page. Instead if we promote our own site, we are eliminating one layer and statistically improving our CTR. This however may take longer than the article strategy. What I dont get is, do we get links to all the pages of the site? So if a site is promoting 25 products, do we get backlinks just to home page or all the 25 pages? Thanks Sam |
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Remember that my program is not just about writing articles and doing backlinks to them. One key that people aren't remembering is that my program talks about focusing on a "desperate buyer" situation: some sort of painful, life-altering problem that people would give their eye-teeth to be free of. People like this aren't just browsing through articles as "window shoppers". They are looking for an answer to alleviate their pain and they want that answer NOW. The click-throughs for stuff like this is a LOT higher than it is on an average basis. In any case, of course it's a good idea to link to your article and your site. Then both get the benefit of the backlinks. If you have 25 different pages with 25 different products on your site, you will need 25 different links on the sites. Many of them will allow a good group of these links and then you can go back through them and set up new profiles for the rest of your links. | |
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The idea is that the article has tremendous "SEO power" already and it ranks faster and better than your site does. | |
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When I use Open Office to change the .csv file it works, but if I accidentally open it in Excel, then I have the problem you're talking of. Worth trying Open Office if you're not already? Wendy | |
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Great thread... Askloz....relax...instead of working to prove Angela wrong...be more constructive and give some helpful advice as to what you think people should be doing...then between you we will get to an optimal solution. This is the goal...yes? I have a few questions about this. Angela...you say to look for <500k searches without brackets, over 100 uniques per day according to wordtracker. None of my keywords fit that...so... More competitive keywords...I can get a guy to build 200 of these links in a day for more difficult to rank for keywords. No problem according to the PDF? So do it once, in one go and forget it? So far, Ive got this understanding.... Don't change anchor text, point all links with same anchor text to an internal page optimised for that keyword. Also, I have a brand new blog with 20 articles on it. I'd rather link to that than Goarticles. Issues...time delays? Any others I should be aware of? How long will the time delay be? With multiple links back from each site, I use different keywords in the anchor text and point up to three to different pages. Can all be on one domain or is it one on my domain, one on goarticle and maybe to a hub page? Only one page per domain is optimal and counted for each site I link from? Is that right? All the best Barry |
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I have just pointed my links to my own sites. I've had no problem ranking well. No.5 out of over 600,000,000 results. Not too bad. I may try the article method though for something else and see how that goes. Is anyone here experiencing increased sales via their articles by using Angelas method? |
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Andy How many links to your own sites from each one of Angelas sites?? All the best Barry PS - Do you play poker? |
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Not that many. Some of Mays and some of Junes. However, I've only recently built links for the two word phrase which I'm currently at no,5 for. It was on page 5 a couple of weeks ago and moved up to page 1. You see in my opinion, it's all about 'how' you set up your page to make your backlinks more powerful. I don't really want to say what I do so you'll have to fill in the blanks. A backlink on it's own on an unrelated page will not be as powerful as a backlink on a page that is backed up by other onpage elements. I'm not talking about being 'spammy' but completing a profile in such a way so that you are strengthening your links to make the whole page more relevant to your target keywords. As for your question regarding poker... I used to enjoy playing but I'm not the Andy Black that you are talking of.. lol. |
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I have seen some GREAT results by using the backlinks for local business sites/blogs....the local online competition just does not stand a chance hehe. I am about to use the links for some of my clients' YouTube videos...has anyone been using the backlinks for increasing their video rankings? |
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LOL...I know...sigh...Although really this is now an experiment trying two different methods. The first method was linking to the affiliate link itself. Now the experiment is linking to the actual article. We shall see if that changes any ranking.
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So...from one of Angelas sites, point one link to your blog and one to your article? Using eh same keyword? How about this link combo? any issues with this? Keyword One - Article One Keyword One - Blog Page One Keyword Two - Article Two Keyword Two - Blog Page Two Is that accepted at these sites? |
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Yes, I know that. However, what I meant (as I explained later) is that Google indexes ONE page per site per keyword and Yahoo indexes EVERY page per site per keyword. I gave the example of my signature file here on the Warrior Forum. Although my signature file shows up on THOUSANDS of pages here (as I have over 4,000 posts), Google has ONE page for that signature file in its index for the keyword Angela. Yahoo, on the other hand, has EVERY page that has my signature file in its index for the keyword Angela. That's why Yahoo has many TIMES more results in its index for every keyword than Google has. It's not a matter of Google being more "picky" as some have speculated. If that were the case, then Yahoo would have a few hundred to a couple thousand more results in its index. But it doesn't; it has several TIMES more results per keyword in its index.
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If you'd rather link to your blog, that is perfectly fine. The "experiment" here was for my guideline that was trying to help newbies get to the first page of Google and make sales quickly. Goarticles is the strongest article directory for moving REALLY HIGH and REALLY FAST in Google's index when you do backlinks to the articles. Sure~Ezinearticles often place high all by themselves. But they don't respond as well to backlinks. So if you are using that article directory, you are back to writing dozens of articles in hopes that one or two will "stick". But with Goarticles, you can write one article, do backlinks to it, and get on Page One rather quickly if your competition is 500,000 or less. Now, there are people doing this "experiment" who are trying to place quickly with several MILLION results, and that's fine. They will eventually place. But not anywhere NEAR as quickly. I link to my site and to my article on all the sites. That way, both get the benefit of the backlinks. You can put multiple links on each profile and that can be to whatever you choose. You can do several different anchor texts pointing to your domain or you can point once to your domain, once to an article, once to a Hubpage...whatever you want. | |
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