Should I choose a Long Tail Domain (EMD)

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Hi Warriors:
I want to set up a blog with my keywords , But I'm struggling whether should I choose a Long Tail Domain or a short one that not EMD .
Is Long Tail Domain (EMD) still affect search result ranks ?
Is it useful that I get a short one as my blog's domain , At the same time I get the Long Tail Domain and redirect to the short one ?
Thanks a lot !
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by entrepreneurjay View Post

      Short and catchy is better preferably a .com
      Thanks for your replay
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    EMD domains still give a bit of benefit as long as you don't over optimize your site, also you don't want anything to long or spammy looking, I'd look for a short catchy domain as the previous guy mentioned a.com.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterqif
    EMD works just fine with me
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by masterqif View Post

      EMD works just fine with me
      May I ask How many words does your EMD include ?
      I chose a phrase which include 5 words , The total length is 16 . I think it's too long as domain name.
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  • Profile picture of the author josep88
    Originally Posted by bluewithcg View Post

    Hi Warriors:
    I want to set up a blog with my keywords , But I'm struggling whether should I choose a Long Tail Domain or a short one that not EMD .
    Is Long Tail Domain (EMD) still affect search result ranks ?
    Is it useful that I get a short one as my blog's domain , At the same time I get the Long Tail Domain and redirect to the short one ?
    Thanks a lot !
    I think if you are able to provide relevant content targeting these long tail keywords, then you can see a dramatic increase to the amount of traffic Google and other search engines send you.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by josep88 View Post

      I think if you are able to provide relevant content targeting these long tail keywords, then you can see a dramatic increase to the amount of traffic Google and other search engines send you.
      That's right , I'll create some articles relevant to the phrase I chose , But not too much .Maybe 3 or 4 articles .
      Do you think it's enough for SEO to rank my pages ?
      Now I'm confusing about the Domain name , Should I choose the phrase as EMD or I choose a short one .
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Only if it helps you with branding. If you're buying it for SEO purposes, forget it. EMDs have lost their edge IF you are planning a THIN CONTENT site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Crimes
      Think long term here!

      I would want a name that was catchy and easy to remember.

      And, not too long....

      Also, try this! Unless you have some weird branding strategy going on, people should be able to see your domain name and have an idea of what you are about or what you are selling, without actually seeing your site!

      Cheers

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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      Only if it helps you with branding. If you're buying it for SEO purposes, forget it. EMDs have lost their edge IF you are planning a THIN CONTENT site.
      Thanks for you replay !
      Should I both take the EMD and a shorter one , and redirect the EMD?
      Is the type-in traffic worth enough for me to get the EMD ?
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  • Profile picture of the author mediamarket
    short, long tail will not be good if the site becomes a authority site.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by mediamarket View Post

      short, long tail will not be good if the site becomes a authority site.
      That's right .
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Don't get EMD for SEO, it just doesn't help that much. If you can find a nice short EMD, it might be brandable.

    Not surprisingly this has been discussed lately.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      Don't get EMD for SEO, it just doesn't help that much. If you can find a nice short EMD, it might be brandable.

      Not surprisingly this has been discussed lately.
      Thanks for replay , I'll check thread .
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  • Profile picture of the author yoangov
    EMD stills works very well if you are targeting a few keywords. If you are looking to go with an authority website, then I recommend you to get a brandable domain that is easy to remember.
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  • Profile picture of the author joesfortune
    Make it short but be sure to insert your keyword in it. I just had a guru review my site and the only thing he said was that my domain name is too long. I cannot change it because I already have so many subscribers.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by joesfortune View Post

      Make it short but be sure to insert your keyword in it. I just had a guru review my site and the only thing he said was that my domain name is too long. I cannot change it because I already have so many subscribers.
      I don't think keyword in domain is a must. It gets difficult to come up with good company/brand names if they need to follow that rule. It also doesn't matter that much for SEO.

      If the domain you talk about is the one in your sig, I don't think it's that long. It's just a bit hard to read because it's got two "yous" and a bit unexpected word order. You can change a domain, but at the expense of the branding and some link juice.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by joesfortune View Post

      Make it short but be sure to insert your keyword in it. I just had a guru review my site and the only thing he said was that my domain name is too long. I cannot change it because I already have so many subscribers.
      That sounds horrible...
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  • Profile picture of the author azhar
    If you will get a short, easy to remember and attractive domain name and put unique, quality and relevant content with long tail keyword, it will work best instead of getting long tail domain name..
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by azhar View Post

      If you will get a short, easy to remember and attractive domain name and put unique, quality and relevant content with long tail keyword, it will work best instead of getting long tail domain name..
      You are right , But no one can find it before a decent of hard work !
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  • Profile picture of the author anoopsparx
    i suggest you to choose the Short Domain Name, look like Brand. When it become popular, it attract more visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author dankoh
    Short and catchy is better. Long tail domains don't work as good as they used to.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by dankoh View Post

      Short and catchy is better. Long tail domains don't work as good as they used to.
      Thanks , Most of people choose short one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Cerf
    Partial match domain would work as well!
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    • Profile picture of the author mainak
      Yes long tail domain can make affect on SEO.

      The Search engine expert, Matt cuts from google also said this on his webmaster help update.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by mainak View Post

        The Search engine expert, Matt cuts from google also said this on his webmaster help update.
        I'm interested, but I seem to fail at using google search. Do you remember when was this video recorded? Can you post a link to it?
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      • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
        Originally Posted by mainak View Post

        Yes long tail domain can make affect on SEO.

        The Search engine expert, Matt cuts from google also said this on his webmaster help update.
        I think it's still helpful , But not as it used to be...
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

      Honestly, the name of your site does not matter as long as you market it well, and have relevant content for the people you market it to. Longtail keywords in the titles of your webpages, and in headers, is all you need.

      If you want to expand your sites content past your longtail keyword title idea in the future, I suggest you go with a short name for it that is not longtail based. If you don't, using the longtail is fine.
      Thanks , your reply helped me a lot !
      But I'm not good at SEO , I just want set up a niche site with 3 or 4 articles related to my keyword .
      Do you have any suggesting for me ?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Brooks
        Originally Posted by bluewithcg View Post

        Thanks , your reply helped me a lot !
        But I'm not good at SEO , I just want set up a niche site with 3 or 4 articles related to my keyword .
        Do you have any suggesting for me ?
        EMD's still can work great for small niche sites, but you don't want a long domain name. having a name like thetop5bestkitchencookerreviews.com, I think is silly, even if you do get a EMD domain with a nice amount of searches.
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        • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
          Originally Posted by Alex Brooks View Post

          EMD's still can work great for small niche sites, but you don't want a long domain name. having a name like thetop5bestkitchencookerreviews.com, I think is silly, even if you do get a EMD domain with a nice amount of searches.
          Yes , the too long one seems so ridiculous
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        • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
          Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

          What do you want suggestions about?
          Could you please give me some advice of effective SEO tricks about the thin-content niche site ?
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            • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
              Originally Posted by AntonioSeegars1 View Post

              What I do is, I go to yahooanswers, I type in my keyword and search, and if I find questions about the keyword, I use those questions as longtail keywords for articles on my site, with a few other longtail keywords thrown in also.
              Thanks a lot ,that's exactly what I plan to follow
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    Which site are you more likely to buy from: Zappos or website-that-sells-shoes.com?

    Forget EMD. They look ridiculous, don't help with SEO, scream "I have no credibility but I know how to manipulate Google", and don't instill trust.

    Build a brand.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

      Which site are you more likely to buy from: Zappos or website-that-sells-shoes.com?

      Forget EMD. They look ridiculous, don't help with SEO, scream "I have no credibility but I know how to manipulate Google", and don't instill trust.

      Build a brand.
      OK , I'v decided to choose a short one which is brandful .

      But I'v just found one niche which is only two words with the total length of 8 . The related .com is avaliable .
      The searchs per month is 8100 In Google Keyword Planner.
      By direct search in Google , I'v got 762,000 results , The the quoted ("XXX") one , I'v got 6,580 results . There aren't any ads in both .

      As your analyze , Should I choose the EMD or another brandful one ?
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by bluewithcg View Post

        OK , I'v decided to choose a short one which is brandful .

        But I'v just found one niche which is only two words with the total length of 8 . The related .com is avaliable .
        The searchs per month is 8100 In Google Keyword Planner.
        By direct search in Google , I'v got 762,000 results , The the quoted ("XXX") one , I'v got 6,580 results . There aren't any ads in both .

        As your analyze , Should I choose the EMD or another brandful one ?
        I'll tell you what... try searching a few keywords. Just pick any subject, type in some related keywords, and see how often thosekeywords.com comes up on page one for that search.

        Do you see any?

        Chances are you won't. I just did 3 completely unrelated searches for "motorcycle parts", "camping gear" and "iphone cases" and there wasn't one EMD in the results. All of those EMD's (both hyphenated and not) are owned by people running sites selling those items, and none of them come up in a search.

        What does come up? Branded sites. EMD's are a waste of time, man. Build a brand.
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        • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          I'll tell you what... try searching a few keywords. Just pick any subject, type in some related keywords, and see how often thosekeywords.com comes up on page one for that search.

          Do you see any?

          Chances are you won't. I just did 3 completely unrelated searches for "motorcycle parts", "camping gear" and "iphone cases" and there wasn't one EMD in the results. All of those EMD's (both hyphenated and not) are owned by people running sites selling those items, and none of them come up in a search.

          What does come up? Branded sites. EMD's are a waste of time, man. Build a brand.
          You are right...There are few EMD.com in search results . Most EMDs are being selling or Parking...
          I'll build a brand , Thanks for your reply.
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  • Profile picture of the author lasher67
    If you are planning a short-term, niche-oriented, throw-away-site, then EMD's without dashes still seem to do fine in Google. Just don't overdo the on-page optimization and backlink anchor text.

    If you are planning a long-term, large site, then the advice others have given is the best - forget about an EMD and think of a catchy, short, brand-type domain name that sticks in people heads.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by lasher67 View Post

      If you are planning a short-term, niche-oriented, throw-away-site, then EMD's without dashes still seem to do fine in Google. Just don't overdo the on-page optimization and backlink anchor text.

      If you are planning a long-term, large site, then the advice others have given is the best - forget about an EMD and think of a catchy, short, brand-type domain name that sticks in people heads.
      Your replay is really helpful for me .
      As a Newbie , My current target is learn about effective tricks about SEO , traffic guiding , Copywriting etc..... Mostly is about how to build a Online business , Maybe it is not a long-term plan...
      But my final target is build a long-term eCommerce site . To avoid my self drop into any mistakes , I have to make sense of everything about Online Marketing before I try to build the long-term site .
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  • Profile picture of the author koubain
    I recommend you short broad names
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  • Profile picture of the author mbah owl
    Do not be too long because it will make others a little difficult to remember, use words that are easy to remember by others, and adjust the content to be loaded.
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  • Profile picture of the author DenyA.Wiranata
    It back to your goal firstly. If your blog is startup, so that use short domain keyword. But if you makes a blog for your niche, you must makes long tail domain.

    From Alex Becker eBook I have, I saw that research keyword for specific niche you want. And then, the long tail domain. For his content, you can expand your niche in your blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author bluesteele
    Like most have said, it depends. It depends on what you are doing. If you are creating a parasite site to pump up your antler hormone affiliate site, then and EMD might make sense. If you're goal is to be awesome, short and catchy. Lots of domain suggestion tools out there that can help guide you if you are totally failing to come up with something.
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  • Profile picture of the author JobElance
    If you want to make a brand then go for short and good domain name..Again if you just want to list your site on search for better ranking, then use a long tail domain with keywords in it..choose the best..
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  • Profile picture of the author Kris79
    First of all it depends how you define "Long tail".

    If you define it as it should be which is "a keyword that has very low search volume".
    Then there should be no problem if you choose Long Tail keyword that is short.

    But if you define Lont Tail just by looking at the number of words in it, try to avoid buying domains with too many letters.
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    • Profile picture of the author bluewithcg
      Originally Posted by Kris79 View Post

      First of all it depends how you define "Long tail".

      If you define it as it should be which is "a keyword that has very low search volume".
      Then there should be no problem if you choose Long Tail keyword that is short.

      But if you define Lont Tail just by looking at the number of words in it, try to avoid buying domains with too many letters.
      Thanks for your useful replay!
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  • Profile picture of the author Dixsin
    skip the EMD and use a brand name.
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    • Profile picture of the author seophalanx
      Long tail keywords are cheaper, easier to rank on and more specific than broad generic keywords. Using long keyword phrases that help your site get on the first page of SERP will greatly benefit your online endeavors. One of the great benefit of long tail keywords is the fact that while you are promoting your website for a 3 or 4 word phrase you are also promoting it for every of the words you are using in that key phrase.
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  • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
    There seems to be allot of conflicting information here and its really two issues.

    (1) Should I buy an exact match domain?

    (2) Should I buy a long tail, exact match domain?

    It seems to really just come down to what your uses are, in general I would not get too crazy with the long term EMD's, but if you are targeting a low competitive niche, and a specific sub-group of people, then maybe it is the way to go.

    I really makes no sense to me why Google would penalize a domain just because it is considered long tail exact match. That seems counter intuitive.

    I would be nice to get some heavy weight Warriors to weigh in. This is just my opinion as one who still buys EMD's (but not too long tail)

    I would think buying a domain like "antiqueglasslamps.com" should not much if a problem, if available.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Originally Posted by cryptone24 View Post

      There seems to be allot of conflicting information here and its really two issues.

      (1) Should I buy an exact match domain?

      (2) Should I buy a long tail, exact match domain?

      It seems to really just come down to what your uses are, in general I would not get too crazy with the long term EMD's, but if you are targeting a low competitive niche, and a specific sub-group of people, then maybe it is the way to go.

      I really makes no sense to me why Google would penalize a domain just because it is considered long tail exact match. That seems counter intuitive.

      I would be nice to get some heavy weight Warriors to weigh in. This is just my opinion as one who still buys EMD's (but not too long tail)

      I would think buying a domain like "antiqueglasslamps.com" should not much if a problem, if available.
      Hi cryptone24,

      I think many Warriors are avoiding this thread because it is based on a false premise that seems to flow from a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "long tail".

      First things first, the term "long tail", when properly used, does not refer to the length of a keyword term. It refers to the frequency of occurrence within the distribution of a data set. If it occurs less frequently than the most commonly occurring keywords within a data set and that data set includes a relatively large number of keywords that also occur with lower frequency than the most common (short head) keywords then it is considered a "long tail" keyword. it could be a single 3 letter word, or a lengthy 5 word term, the number of words or characters within the term have no bearing on whether it is a "long tail" term or not.

      Once you understand the term "long tail", it makes the OP's question self-explanatory. If it is a long tail it means it has little to no search volume. So it will also have little to no value as a domain name.

      The best domain names, from an exact match keyword perspective, are domain names that have high relevance, and are among the short head, not the long tail. Everything else being equal, the shorter the domain name the more valuable the name.

      Here are the primary domain name factors that you need to consider when selecting a new domain name (in order of importance):
      1. Short
      2. Easy to rememeber
      3. Easy to spell
      Those 3 primary factors should guide your domain name selection above all other factors.
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      • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
        Originally Posted by dburk View Post

        Hi cryptone24,

        I think many Warriors are avoiding this thread because it is based on a false premise that seems to flow from a fundamental misunderstanding of the term "long tail".

        First things first, the term "long tail", when properly used, does not refer to the length of a keyword term. It refers to the frequency of occurrence within the distribution of a data set. If it occurs less frequently than the most commonly occurring keywords within a data set and that data set includes a relatively large number of keywords that also occur with lower frequency than the most common (short head) keywords then it is considered a "long tail" keyword. it could be a single 3 letter word, or a lengthy 5 word term, the number of words or characters within the term have no bearing on whether it is a "long tail" term or not.

        Once you understand the term "long tail", it makes the OP's question self-explanatory. If it is a long tail it means it has little to no search volume. So it will also have little to no value as a domain name.

        The best domain names, from an exact match keyword perspective, are domain names that have high relevance, and are among the short head, not the long tail. Everything else being equal, the shorter the domain name the more valuable the name.

        Here are the primary domain name factors that you need to consider when selecting a new domain name (in order of importance):
        1. Short
        2. Easy to rememeber
        3. Easy to spell
        Those 3 primary factors should guide your domain name selection above all other factors.
        I appreciate the explanation, that is contrary to what we typically hear.
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