Advice for my sites SEO

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I have had my french dating site online hxxp://rencontrespourlibertins.fr since last September. I have tried working with a few freelancers to get it ranked for 'rencontres pour libertins' but I'm having no luck at all - position 290. I'm sure I have missed a few key on page tactics. . I'm just frustrated with working with SEO freelancers who I'm not sure know what there talking about .

If anyone could spot anything obvious please let me know

Much appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    I'm sure it wont make or break your SEO, but you should get rid of one of the h1s on the front page.

    I'm not a specialist nor do I speak French, but I believe it's a very hard niche to compete. The site has a weak backlink profile.
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    Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
    Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

    What's your excuse?
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  • Profile picture of the author KristinaRoy
    There are some seo tools that are very useful regarding On page seo like ahrefs and open site explorer. It may be helpful for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Find some high PR links and you'll be good to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOtraveler
    OP, you are in a niche where most players play dirty. It is highly competitive and if we're talking about the niches where black hat SEO still thrives, dating sites would be on the list for sure. If you really like this niche, try looking for another type of SEO or paid advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
    When you say 'experts', where did you hire these people from? If you hired someone off Fiverr or a gig site, that person actually hurt your SERP more than helped it.
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    • Originally Posted by Samuel Adams View Post

      When you say 'experts', where did you hire these people from? If you hired someone off Fiverr or a gig site, that person actually hurt your SERP more than helped it.
      Very true, used an expert on a site. From a few thousands hits per day it is now under-100 hits and fell from PR 3 to PR0. It has so many thousands of spammy links coming in that it is hard to climb out of it. So it is important to get the right SEO experts who will only use ethical means.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Originally Posted by thebrightspark14 View Post

    I have had my french dating site online hxxp://rencontrespourlibertins.fr since last September. I have tried working with a few freelancers to get it ranked for 'rencontres pour libertins' but I'm having no luck at all - position 290. I'm sure I have missed a few key on page tactics. . I'm just frustrated with working with SEO freelancers who I'm not sure know what there talking about .

    If anyone could spot anything obvious please let me know

    Much appreciated.
    Your site seems penalized, 100's of back links but not even ranking anywhere near page one for a keyword with hardly any competition.

    Not sure whether the penalty is caused by some Panda or Penguin related thing. Sure most of the back links are spammy but it are not huge amounts although your anchor % is quite high, that in combination with spammy links could trigger the algo penalty.
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    • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
      Hi, Thanks for the help. I cant help but feel theres more than just pr links here. The site shouldnt be in position 290. I dont suppose any of you guys works on a freelance basis? We have a big ecommerce site launching at the end of the year and want to use this as a test on some long term consistant SEO. Anyone interested or can provide further advice?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    At least your in good company with the other 145,000 cookie cutter sites/pages that have the exact same followed footer link.



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    • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
      so should this be removed?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by thebrightspark14 View Post

        so should this be removed?
        Well at least it makes me think whether all your 1000's of indexed pages consist of the exact same content that is hosted at dozens or hundreds of other dating sites.

        If so then that's the reason why you are not ranking. New sites with zero authority (those spammy links don't give you any authority) won't perform.

        It's the same as with scraped Amazon sites that I did a case study about not so long ago. I tried like 5 different platforms and couldn't get it work. Then one day I said I buy a PR3 domain and host the site there (as such PR3 domain already has the needed authority to get away with mass syndicated/scraped content).
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        • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
          So what would be the move? Just delete that link at the bottom or put a no follow on all of the profile pages?
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  • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
    Sorry if its obvious but do you think I should delete that link and follow the advice here. I am personally a novice when it comes to SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    No, they're saying that your site is toast. You're not going to do well with content that's not unique. You'll need to start over and use content that's not spammed over the internet.
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    • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
      I find it hard to beleive that my site is completely toast. Does everyone agree on here that there is nothing I can do and just shut up shop?
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by thebrightspark14 View Post

        I find it hard to beleive that my site is completely toast. Does everyone agree on here that there is nothing I can do and just shut up shop?
        I didn't find your exact content anywhere else (except your own FB page). Is your content is unique and not just from the platform you're using? Is the link just for a social networking platform, basically the CMS behind the site? If that's the case, I think the conclusion might be somewhat flawed. Some commenters might be assuming that you're just a reseller for a bigger site. Sure, sharing the platform and maybe even servers with hundreds of very similar sites may make it a bit harder to rank, but it's the same with Blogger and WordPress.com.

        The content seems to be fairly thin, but that's probably a common problem when everything interesting is behind login. There's no reason to link to your site.

        Maybe Google organic traffic is never going to be the thing for your site. I'm not sure why that would mean that the site is "toast" or you should close the shop. Just find another traffic source.
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        Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
        Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

        What's your excuse?
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        • Profile picture of the author thebrightspark14
          We were thinking of getting a blog on there. So would adding a lot of unique, relevant content on there help?

          I just want to know aside from that if I have made some fundamental easy mistake
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    Why don't you add an article section for daters, which contains useful info for finding the right person through online sites. This type of on page optimization is good for search engines anyway. The new content will make your site more relevant than most other dating sites which only feature static, never changing pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
    Originally Posted by thebrightspark14 View Post

    I have had my french dating site online hxxp://rencontrespourlibertins.fr since last September. I have tried working with a few freelancers to get it ranked for 'rencontres pour libertins' but I'm having no luck at all - position 290. I'm sure I have missed a few key on page tactics. . I'm just frustrated with working with SEO freelancers who I'm not sure know what there talking about .

    If anyone could spot anything obvious please let me know

    Much appreciated.
    Google has what I call a 'Random Rankings Factor' meaning that some sites won't ever rank, completely regardless of the quality of the site or the links going to it.

    In a ton of testing on my own 'crash test dummy' sites and Money Sites, I see identical (quality-wise) sites with near identical good links have vastly different rankings results. Over and over.

    In theory, those similar quality/links sites should have similar-ish rankings results but some kind of inbuilt variation factor in Google means that almost never happens.

    And this ranking variation has absolutely nothing to do with on-page content.

    In short, if targeting a niche, test a bunch of sites and find the one that Google naturally favours and build out your (converting) site on that one.

    EDIT: This also applies to Parasite Pages e.g. press releases, YT videos etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

      In theory, those similar quality/links sites should have similar-ish rankings results but some kind of inbuilt variation factor in Google means that almost never happens.
      I recently launched 10 identical Amazon sites, just different niches, and a small batch of links at my network sites, and the results of all ten sites are very similar, as in they all rank at page 2/3 for the main keywords now.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

        Google has what I call a 'Random Rankings Factor' meaning that some sites won't ever rank, completely regardless of the quality of the site or the links going to it.

        In a ton of testing on my own 'crash test dummy' sites and Money Sites, I see identical (quality-wise) sites with near identical good links have vastly different rankings results. Over and over.

        In theory, those similar quality/links sites should have similar-ish rankings results but some kind of inbuilt variation factor in Google means that almost never happens.

        And this ranking variation has absolutely nothing to do with on-page content.

        In short, if targeting a niche, test a bunch of sites and find the one that Google naturally favours and build out your (converting) site on that one.

        EDIT: This also applies to Parasite Pages e.g. press releases, YT videos etc.
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I recently launched 10 identical Amazon sites, just different niches, and a small batch of links at my network sites, and the results of all ten sites are very similar, as in they all rank at page 2/3 for the main keywords now.
        I'm guessing neither one of you looked at the OP cookie cutter site (cache).
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I'm guessing neither one of you looked at the OP cookie cutter site (cache).
          I responded earlier in this thread to that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I recently launched 10 identical Amazon sites, just different niches, and a small batch of links at my network sites, and the results of all ten sites are very similar, as in they all rank at page 2/3 for the main keywords now.
        And how about all of your SEO campaigns before that nik?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

          And how about all of your SEO campaigns before that nik?
          Those were mostly client sites that were all very unique in setup, each with their own (back link) history, nothing near identical as you said here:

          "I see identical (quality-wise) sites with near identical good links have vastly different rankings results. Over and over."

          So that would be comparing apples to pears!

          When I deal with a poor ranking site I always dive deeper into it and it always comes down to one or more of these things:

          - very poor onpage SEO
          - no site structure at all
          - many spam back links
          - over optimized anchor pattern
          - duplicate or spun content
          - thin ecommerce sites
          - heavily over monetized

          Have to add that some points of this list are often in combination with a brand new domain and thus more sensitive for these type of things.

          So as you see, before is not relevant to this, as I tested it in the way I explained in the other posts, it couldn't be more identical then that and the results for those 10 sites are exactly the same.

          The only difference, that I lately mentioned in another thread, which I find a little odd, is that I have 2 pages optimized for the "best product x" keywords and one site ranks with the homepage for that key phrase while the other site ranks with the "best top 10" page for that key phrase. That's where the randomness kicks in imo.

          All other non ranking issue's always relate to either that list or a domain with a bad history, that can sometimes go years back with not a link visible in Ahrefs, Majestics etc., I had that twice till now, once with my own site (which did show some links, but also like 8 registry changes and multiple drops) and once with a site I build for a client, also with the registar changes and drops.

          Moving the site to a new domain fixed the problem.

          Have to add that the sites I build are always full sites with at least 20-30 pages, where half is not monetized, perhaps that sites with just a few pages are more sensitive to the random factor? I bet you tested it on other platforms as well, like PRweb and the other things you discuss on your blog/forum, where the relevancy lacks a bit cause it's just one page on a site that covers 1000's of topics. Perhaps that's where the hit or miss comes from cause again, I don't witness the randomness that you see.
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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    i have fully moved away from SEO and go with PPC now. Its totally awesome. has increased monthly profits and I was sick of panda, badman, dumb penguin and all the other idiotic names for updates they made up. It was time to move on and use PPC, and I do not use GOOGLE ppc, there are other better engines for this.
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