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What Do You Look For In a SEO Backlink Service Provider?

by jandysolutions
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Hey Warriors,

I'm sure you have had your share of good and bad experiences with SEO service providers. What I was curious about, what was your best and worst experiences with SEO providers, on and off the warrior forum? What do you expect for an SEO service provider, and what things you wished you knew at the time before you did business with them?

Thanks in advance for your feedback!
#backlink #provider #seo #service
  • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
    I tried a lot of WF link builder services and non were worth anything but that was a few years ago. I'm in the process of testing a few SEO companies. It is hard to evaluate them based on what they say or their websites. I try to get a few customer names and analyze their websites. I'm going to try 2 or 3 and see which ranks faster/higher.
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    • Profile picture of the author DigiMechanics
      It's always good to look at past customer reviews. When trusting your SEO with a third party you need to make sure they know what they are doing, and are doing exactly what they say they will do.

      I know plenty of services here elsewhere that are just subbed out to guys on Fiverr! And that is one place you don't want important SEO doing!
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      • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
        Hey DigiMechanics,

        I compeletly agree with you at looking at past customer reviews. That always gives you a better insight to their customer service, work ethic, etc.

        When you mentioned third party, do you mean the person they outsource to like a freelancer/overseas worker that works for them full time? Or do you mean like places like Fiverr, Elance, oDesk, ect? Or both?

        Originally Posted by DigiMechanics View Post

        It's always good to look at past customer reviews. When trusting your SEO with a third party you need to make sure they know what they are doing, and are doing exactly what they say they will do.

        I know plenty of services here elsewhere that are just subbed out to guys on Fiverr! And that is one place you don't want important SEO doing!
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    • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
      Hey MoneyMoguls,

      Thanks for the insight. When you mentioned "It is hard to evaluate them based on what they say or their websites", did they ask for payment upfront before seeing results? Or did they do work and they invoiced you afterwards but the results weren't what you expected? How about guarantees? Are the current SEO providers you looking into provide any?

      Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

      I tried a lot of WF link builder services and non were worth anything but that was a few years ago. I'm in the process of testing a few SEO companies. It is hard to evaluate them based on what they say or their websites. I try to get a few customer names and analyze their websites. I'm going to try 2 or 3 and see which ranks faster/higher.
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      • Profile picture of the author moneymoguls
        Originally Posted by jandysolutions View Post

        Hey MoneyMoguls,

        Thanks for the insight. When you mentioned "It is hard to evaluate them based on what they say or their websites", did they ask for payment upfront before seeing results? Or did they do work and they invoiced you afterwards but the results weren't what you expected? How about guarantees? Are the current SEO providers you looking into provide any?
        All SEO services were money up front. I wasted a lot of money trying some. Any results were short lived.
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        • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
          Hey moneymoguls,

          Would you have done business if payment was invoiced after a milestone was accomplished?

          Originally Posted by moneymoguls View Post

          All SEO services were money up front. I wasted a lot of money trying some. Any results were short lived.
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          • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
            Originally Posted by jandysolutions View Post

            Would you have done business if payment was invoiced after a milestone was accomplished?
            There's a huge problem from SEO agency's perspective. Very often the client is their own worst enemy, and they just don't do what best for their site. SEO could do everything they can, and still not hit the milestone because of someone else.

            Originally Posted by jandysolutions View Post

            Did you find a provider charging $2500 or more a month? How did he or she convince you to pay that amount? Was it upfront? Or Billed on milestones? Also, would a SEO person be able to charge that much here on the forum and make sales, seems very unlikely to me.
            I know a company that charges starting from $5k. They're locally well known, started by industry veterans, and have some of the biggest corporations in the country on their public reference list. However, in my opinion the selling point is a team of experts from a reliable agency.

            These are the kind of guys who don't waste their time posting on a marketing web forum. They've got a team of top-notch sales guys. With all due respect, WF is a fantasy land of impossible stories about self-made millionaires selling their secrets for $7.
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            Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
            Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

            What's your excuse?
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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

              These are the kind of guys who don't waste their time posting on a marketing web forum. They've got a team of top-notch sales guys. With all due respect, WF is a fantasy land of impossible stories about self-made millionaires selling their secrets for $7.
              I'm not a Millionaire just yet, I just need to sell 14 more copies of my $70,000 WSO E-Book and I'm there.
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              • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                I'm not a Millionaire just yet, I just need to sell 140,000 more copies of my $7 WSO E-Book and I'm there.
                Fixed it for you...
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                • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Fixed it for you...
                  I got a $250 sale commission today and I've got my soundtrack playing.

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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    What you look for depends on how much you're prepared to spend.

                    Few thousand dollars/month? Make sure they only achieve natural links I would say by link out reach and that type of things.

                    Few hunderd dollars/month? Make sure they use a solid private network where they only use unique written content instead of some mashed up/spun crap, and make sure they avoid crappy links enmasse like bookmarks, profiles, comments, directories and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
    I look for under the table style links, I don't want a service that's advertising ANYWHERE. I want high pagerank homepage links. If they provide any type of reporting I won't even consider it. I know that sounds backwards but I want a network that has as little transparency as possible. Those are few and far between though.
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    • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
      Hey DizenSounds,

      Thanks for the feedback! When you mention transparency, is the reason because you want to lower the risk of competitors finding out your links? Just a little confused, sorry.

      Originally Posted by DizenSounds View Post

      I look for under the table style links, I don't want a service that's advertising ANYWHERE. I want high pagerank homepage links. If they provide any type of reporting I won't even consider it. I know that sounds backwards but I want a network that has as little transparency as possible. Those are few and far between though.
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    I'd ask them specifically how do they obtain the backlinks? Also will they run a competitive analysis report for free? Will they tell me how my competitors are doing? Are my links contextual links? Are they going to be linked to sites with high credibility? Rates? How's the pricing? Is the SEO Backlink Provider credible by any means? Were they mentioned anywhere? What's their turnaround when obtaining links? Again, Ask them specifically how are they going to get these links , get a quote. Set up a phone call / e-mail and see if they really know their SEO. That's where YOU got to make sure you're the expert as well and know whether or not they're BSing you.
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  • Profile picture of the author seekdefo
    Have your Back link provider run his services on a test site of yours. See how the rankings go. More than the rankings see the metrics of the links he builds, maybe use something like Backlink Checker SEO Tool - check your backlinks free to see PR, no follow, do follow, link lost etc.

    If you find him/her doing a good job and not building links from spammy asian sites, porn, gambling, non niche links then I guess he's doing a great job
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    • Profile picture of the author lerxtjr
      The qualifier question should be: Do you charge less than $2,500 per month? If so, move on to the next. Real seo work today is ongoing and is one person's full-time job when you put link building (free and paid), blogging, social, graphics, photos, on-page, off-page, everything together. People who are good at seo work are like good sales copywriters. If they're really that good, they'll be doing it for their own websites and will have room for only few clients on the side. $10,000 for a real seo program should not be considered unreasonable.
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      • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
        Hey lerxtjr,

        Thanks for feedback. Did you find a provider charging $2500 or more a month? How did he or she convince you to pay that amount? Was it upfront? Or Billed on milestones? Also, would a SEO person be able to charge that much here on the forum and make sales, seems very unlikely to me.

        Originally Posted by lerxtjr View Post

        The qualifier question should be: Do you charge less than $2,500 per month? If so, move on to the next. Real seo work today is ongoing and is one person's full-time job when you put link building (free and paid), blogging, social, graphics, photos, on-page, off-page, everything together. People who are good at seo work are like good sales copywriters. If they're really that good, they'll be doing it for their own websites and will have room for only few clients on the side. $10,000 for a real seo program should not be considered unreasonable.
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
    Look for seo guys that have positive reviews. Then try them out. If it doesn't work out for you then try someone else. If that doesn't work out for you then maybe your onpage seo isn't up to par. Just giving my opinion.

    in b4 seo gurus tear my post apart
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by Henrich View Post


      in b4 seo gurus tear my post apart
      LOL!!!!!!! You're fine. I don't know if there are any SEO Gurus on here . I think they all left got too busy to even go on the WF.
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    • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
      Hey Henrich,

      Thanks for the feedback! Yes, reviews are a good indication of good service, but not necessarily results... As you mentioned, only way to really know is to try and see if it works for you. Where have you found good SEO service providers? Any good ones here on the forum you trust?

      Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

      Look for seo guys that have positive reviews. Then try them out. If it doesn't work out for you then try someone else. If that doesn't work out for you then maybe your onpage seo isn't up to par. Just giving my opinion.

      in b4 seo gurus tear my post apart
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  • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
    I would look for honesty. Most important aspect of business. If someone truly wants to help you, You found that right provider.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

      I would look for honesty. Most important aspect of business. If someone truly wants to help you, You found that right provider.
      That post is too funny man. You talk about honesty, but in your sig link WSO your saying things like.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...uaranteed.html

      Here comes the hard truth about people claiming to be "seo gurus". Must of them do not have your best interest in mind. They will tell you just about anything to get you for a client.
      And in the same WSO your selling them worthless automated spam link packages, and telling them it's the best thing since sliced bread.

      I have kept up with all the Google Algorithm changes (penguins/panda)
      But your selling worthless web2.0 spam, forum profiles, blog comments, directory submissions. Your pretty much selling everything that Google (Penguin) was created to combat. And FYI, Google Panda has nothing to do with backlinks so I'm not sure why you would need that as a selling point, if only to attract naive buyers "dishonestly".
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      • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        That post is too funny man. You talk about honesty, but in your sig link WSO your saying things like.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...uaranteed.html



        And in the same WSO your selling them worthless automated spam link packages, and telling them it's the best thing since sliced bread.



        But your selling worthless web2.0 spam, forum profiles, blog comments, directory submissions. Your pretty much selling everything that Google (Penguin) was created to combat. And FYI, Google Panda has nothing to do with backlinks so I'm not sure why you would need that as a selling point, if only to attract naive buyers "dishonestly".
        Thank you for picking out 3 link sources out of the many i provide. Actually only the spammy types of link sources got hit by penguin. You can still get quality from those link sources but i guess someone as ignorant as you wouldn't know that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
          Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

          Thank you for picking out 3 link sources out of the many i provide. Actually only the spammy types of link sources got hit by penguin. You can still get quality from those link sources but i guess someone as ignorant as you wouldn't know that.
          A few?

          Pretty much everything within your package is worthless crap. Links will be placed on High PR "root domain". You fail to tell them the pages where the links will be, will be PR N/A worthless sub-domains. But your twist on words doesn't explain that to your customers as you put it "HONESTLY".

          Anyone here is free to look at what your trying to pass off as "honest" and quality and make their own minds up for themselves. My ignorance won't hide the plain and "honest" fact, that what you are trying to pass off as quality backlinking, is nothing more then the same old automated spam crap that's been sold by every fool with a copy of Senuke.

          500 word unique articles. Don't you mean junk scraped and spun articles? How many 500 word articles that where actually written by a real person could a one get for $200? Judging by the huge number of spelling and grammatical mistakes throughout your WSO, who is going to be writing these articles?

          Careful now. There's a man digging a hole for himself while trying to pimp his automated link spam SEO packages.

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          • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
            Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

            A few?

            Pretty much everything within your package is worthless crap. Links will be placed on High PR "root domain". You fail to tell them the pages where the links will be, will be PR N/A worthless sub-domains. But your twist on words doesn't explain that to your customers as you put it "HONESTLY".

            Anyone here is free to look at what your trying to pass off as "honest" and quality and make their own minds up for themselves. My ignorance won't hide the plain and "honest" fact, that what you are trying to pass off as quality backlinking, is nothing more then the same old automated spam crap that's been sold by every fool with a copy of Senuke.

            500 word unique articles. Don't you mean junk scraped and spun articles? How many 500 word articles that where actually written by a real person could a one get for $200? Judging by the huge number of spelling and grammatical mistakes throughout your WSO, who is going to be writing these articles?

            Careful now. There's a man digging a hole for himself while trying to pimp his automated link spam SEO packages.

            You sound really upset man. Is it that time of the month for you?

            Here are some facts

            1. all links i build are manual
            2. i do not use software for anything
            3. all articles are 100% unique hand typed by a HUMAN
            4. i get results

            All you seem to have any skills at is getting angry and posting worthless text that nobody even cares to read about.

            Right back at you
            Careful now. There's a man digging a hole for himself.

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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

              1. all links i build are manual
              2. i do not use software for anything
              Just in case you didn't know, a PR n/a link remains a PR n/a link, whether it's created by software or by hand so no idea why you avoid using softwares really, you're just making it harder for yourself.

              The only reason I can think of is cause certain platforms aren't supported by the available softwares.
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              • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Just in case you didn't know, a PR n/a link remains a PR n/a link, whether it's created by software or by hand so no idea why you avoid using softwares really, you're just making it harder for yourself.

                The only reason I can think of is cause certain platforms aren't supported by the available softwares.
                Yeah i am aware of PR n/a staying PR n/a. Not every link i build is put on PR n/a sites. Some of the links are put on the actual homepage of the PR.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

                  Yeah i am aware of PR n/a staying PR n/a. Not every link i build is put on PR n/a sites. Some of the links are put on the actual homepage of the PR.
                  Perhaps an idea to make that more clear in your sales thread, as well as numbers of links you provide each month.

                  Nothing wrong with a few bookmarks, pdf links, relevant comments etc. but people who offer services purely based on these links need to make it up with volume to get results.

                  You know when BMR/ALN/etc went down (we were fully dependant on them back then, long ago) I had to create new packages as my customers didn't left me.

                  I came up with like:

                  - 10 web2.0's
                  - 10 pdf
                  - 10 high PR blog comments
                  - 10 social signals
                  - 10 of this and 10 of that

                  Did you think that worked? Well actually it did work for a while thanks to the high PR blog comments with low OBL but soon that wasn't working either.

                  Logically I build my own network of expired domains and step by step that the network grew I replaced those crappy public links with more network links till the point that it's almost fully erased from my services.

                  All we do now is a press release now and then, local citations and once in a while some infographic / image or video links but only at the top platforms, purely to have some additional anchor diversity but not cause those links are effective, hence the minimum use as it's a pure waste of costs for needed materials like video's / infographics / press releases and so on.

                  So I have a hard time believing you achieve good results, and I have to assume you also use small numbers, same like me back then, cause of the costs of content you can't permit large amounts as it's very ineffective to submit the same original written article to 100's of link sources, not to say very unnatural but I won't nag about unnatural as I use a network and there's nothing as unnatural as a private network lol (even if you make it look real it's still unnatural), but insane effective obvious.

                  On top of that, most of your reviews are based on previous packages of 7000 forum profile links, lol WTH, and 50 edu/gov type of things.
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                  • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Perhaps an idea to make that more clear in your sales thread, as well as numbers of links you provide each month.

                    Nothing wrong with a few bookmarks, pdf links, relevant comments etc. but people who offer services purely based on these links need to make it up with volume to get results.

                    You know when BMR/ALN/etc went down (we were fully dependant on them back then, long ago) I had to create new packages as my customers didn't left me.

                    I came up with like:

                    - 10 web2.0's
                    - 10 pdf
                    - 10 high PR blog comments
                    - 10 social signals
                    - 10 of this and 10 of that

                    Did you think that worked? Well actually it did work for a while thanks to the high PR blog comments with low OBL but soon that wasn't working either.

                    Logically I build my own network of expired domains and step by step that the network grew I replaced those crappy public links with more network links till the point that it's almost fully erased from my services.

                    All we do now is a press release now and then, local citations and once in a while some infographic / image or video links but only at the top platforms, purely to have some additional anchor diversity but not cause those links are effective, hence the minimum use as it's a pure waste of costs for needed materials like video's / infographics / press releases and so on.

                    So I have a hard time believing you achieve good results, and I have to assume you also use small numbers, same like me back then, cause of the costs of content you can't permit large amounts as it's very ineffective to submit the same original written article to 100's of link sources, not to say very unnatural but I won't nag about unnatural as I use a network and there's nothing as unnatural as a private network lol (even if you make it look real it's still unnatural), but insane effective obvious.

                    On top of that, most of your reviews are based on previous packages of 7000 forum profile links, lol WTH, and 50 edu/gov type of things.
                    Yeah my reviews are a bit dated. But i still did get results and still to this day manage to do so. I have no beef with your nik0. I actually read a lot of your posts and find it educational. Perhaps i will remove those old reviews not to confuse anyone.

                    Thanks
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
                      Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

                      Yeah my reviews are a bit dated. But i still did get results and still to this day manage to do so. I have no beef with your nik0. I actually read a lot of your posts and find it educational. Perhaps i will remove those old reviews not to confuse anyone.

                      Thanks
                      Confuse or Deceive?

                      Mr Honesty

                      I'm going with the latter.

                      Your getting fried alive here, being caught out.
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                      • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
                        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                        Confuse or Deceive?

                        Mr Honesty

                        I'm going with the latter.

                        Your getting fried alive here, being caught out.
                        It's all in your head.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
                          Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

                          It's all in your head.
                          Nobody cares about these threads, and very few read them. In that sense you're right: it's in the head of a few active users.

                          However, a word of advice: silly comeback just to get the last word makes you look like a fool. Especially if you're quoting a wall of text. You didn't have an argument, and for some reason decided to highlight that fact for all to see.
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                          Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
                          Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

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            • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
              Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

              You sound really upset man. Is it that time of the month for you?

              Here are some facts

              1. all links i build are manual
              2. i do not use software for anything
              3. all articles are 100% unique hand typed by a HUMAN
              4. i get results

              All you seem to have any skills at is getting angry and posting worthless text that nobody even cares to read about.
              No anger here man, just laughing at the smoke your trying to blow to wiggle your way out of it.

              1: Worthless link spam is worthless link spam, manually or automatically done.

              2: If you don't use software for anything, your a worse SEO service provider then I thought. How do you find link sources? Telepathy?

              3: I highly doubt that, A quality 500 word article would cost anywhere from $10-$20. How many links do you build a month per client, 10 article links is it? More smoke blowing. BTW how much do those infographics set you back?

              4: Well there's no evidence of that, but I'd be confident in saying you won't be ranking for anything remotely competitive with the kind of worthless links your selling.

              But please stop trying to evade what I stated earlier about your "dishonest" WSO.

              Social Bookmarking
              Directory Submission
              Blog Comments
              Forum Profiles
              RSS
              PDF
              Web2.0
              Article Directories

              All targeted by "Penguin" and all claimed to be Penguin safe in your WSO. So lets get back to you being dishonest in your sales pitch. Your entire sales thread reads like an Senuke Module with a couple of little extra Fiverr.com services thrown to flavour it up a little.

              Your barking up the wrong tree trying to drum up business in this section when I'm online. I say it like I see it, and I see Senuke and 4 Fiverr.com gigs for $200.
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              • Profile picture of the author TotalWebsiteControl
                Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

                No anger here man, just laughing at the smoke your trying to blow to wiggle your way out of it.

                1: Worthless link spam is worthless link spam, manually or automatically done.

                2: If you don't use software for anything, your a worse SEO service provider then I thought. How do you find link sources? Telepathy?

                3: I highly doubt that, A quality 500 word article would cost anywhere from $10-$20. How many links do you build a month per client, 10 article links is it? More smoke blowing. BTW how much do those infographics set you back?

                4: Well there's no evidence of that, but I'd be confident in saying you won't be ranking for anything remotely competitive with the kind of worthless links your selling.

                But please stop trying to evade what I stated earlier about your "dishonest" WSO.

                Social Bookmarking
                Directory Submission
                Blog Comments
                Forum Profiles
                RSS
                PDF
                Web2.0
                Article Directories

                All targeted by "Penguin" and all claimed to be Penguin safe in your WSO. So lets get back to you being dishonest in your sales pitch. Your entire sales thread reads like an Senuke Module with a couple of little extra Fiverr.com services thrown to flavour it up a little.

                Your barking up the wrong tree trying to drum up business in this section when I'm online. I say it like I see it, and I see Senuke and 4 Fiverr.com gigs for $200.
                Get your vision checked then
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    • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
      You're right, honesty is important. If they want to help, they will and will make sure to go above and beyond to make sure you get results.

      Originally Posted by Henrich View Post

      I would look for honesty. Most important aspect of business. If someone truly wants to help you, You found that right provider.
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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Dennison
    Someone who's going to able to build manual backlinks for me using a range of different teqhniques, and someone that can also force content to go viral.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by Luke Dennison View Post

      Someone who's going to able to build manual backlinks for me using a range of different teqhniques, and someone that can also force content to go viral.
      Nobody can force something to go truly "viral". Usually it comes from the great content idea and slick execution, but certainly there are agencies that do a good job at "seeding" these campaigns.
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      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
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      • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
        Hey nettiapina,

        I agree, there's no way to force something to go viral, it happens when something catches on, and spreads, but would be interesting if someone could actually do that.

        Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

        Nobody can force something to go truly "viral". Usually it comes from the great content idea and slick execution, but certainly there are agencies that do a good job at "seeding" these campaigns.
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    • Profile picture of the author jandysolutions
      Hey Luke,

      Thanks for the feedback. With manual link building, what you think a fair price would be? I know automatic link building is very cheap.

      Originally Posted by Luke Dennison View Post

      Someone who's going to able to build manual backlinks for me using a range of different teqhniques, and someone that can also force content to go viral.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    It's very important to interact with anyone you want to buy SEO services from.

    You might be able to pick one or two flaws from the discussion.

    In most cases, the best way to find a good SEO firm is when they are referred to you by a reliable source and maybe someone close to you.

    It's not a bad idea to talk about possible refunds if things didn't work out at all in the SERP.
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      Hey John,

      Thanks for the feedback. I agree, communication is key. With any business, communication will always help raise a red flag, as long as you are prepared, and have some knowledge about the service you are seeking. That way, you will know if you're being lied too, ect.

      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      It's very important to interact with anyone you want to buy SEO services from.

      You might be able to pick one or two flaws from the discussion.

      In most cases, the best way to find a good SEO firm is when they are referred to you by a reliable source and maybe someone close to you.

      It's not a bad idea to talk about possible refunds if things didn't work out at all in the SERP.
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