Hard time ranking page on PR7 site

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I have posted my ebook to a website which is PR7.

I have keywords in URL, Title, Description. I did some link building on Fiverr and was able to get the page to top 20 on Google. Fiverr gigs were for 30-40 profile links on high PR forums, and some social backlinks (PDFs, FB likes, etc) in reasonable quantities. NO Crazy blog post spamming etc.

However, in the last 3 weeks my url dropped from top 20 to 120-150?

Did Google change its algorithm?
Did i do something wrong and my page got penalized?
Can URL on PR7 domain be penalized?
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

    I did some link building on Fiverr
    well there's your problem
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

    I have posted my ebook to a website which is PR7.

    I have keywords in URL, Title, Description. I did some link building on Fiverr and was able to get the page to top 20 on Google. Fiverr gigs were for 30-40 profile links on high PR forums, and some social backlinks (PDFs, FB likes, etc) in reasonable quantities. NO Crazy blog post spamming etc.

    However, in the last 3 weeks my url dropped from top 20 to 120-150?

    Did Google change its algorithm?
    Did i do something wrong and my page got penalized?
    Can URL on PR7 domain be penalized?



    Like already said, fiverr wasn't helping.

    ...also, sites don't have PR, pages have PR. Not the same things. For all we know your link is on a PRn/a page.

    If the backlink page is actually a PR7 page & you bought the link on fiverr there's most likely 1,000+ outbound links on that same backlink page. Typical fiverr gig.
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Like already said, fiverr wasn't helping.

      ...also, sites don't have PR, pages have PR. Not the same things. For all we know your link is on a PRn/a page.

      If the backlink page is actually a PR7 page & you bought the link on fiverr there's most likely 1,000+ outbound links on that same backlink page. Typical fiverr gig.
      You misunderstood.

      I am selling my ebook on a website similar to amazon. So my ebook url is as follows

      largePR7website.com/my-book-title.html

      The links that were created on Fiverr were pointing to above url in order to get it to rank higher for my keywords.
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      • Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        You misunderstood.

        I am selling my ebook on a website similar to amazon. So my ebook url is as follows

        largePR7website.com/my-book-title.html

        The links that were created on Fiverr were pointing to above url in order to get it to rank higher for my keywords.
        Lol he knows what you are saying. Anytime you use fiverr for seo don't expect much.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        You misunderstood.

        I am selling my ebook on a website similar to amazon. So my ebook url is as follows

        largePR7website.com/my-book-title.html
        Nope, he got it exactly right. That's your PR0 page right there.

        If your page is in the main navigation of a site that's got PR7 on the frontpage it shouldn't take too long for it to get some sort of pagerank (even if Google's toolbar pagerank might take a decade to update). Usually these pages either aren't in the main navi, or there's way too much links around for them to get any meaningful portion of the PR.

        I suspect that it's not a real PR7 site. Hopefully I'm wrong and you've done your due diligence. At least a proper backlink check and comparisons to sites that you know to have high PR.
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        • Profile picture of the author dburk
          Hi ericnyc,

          Your question was based upon a false premise.

          There is no such thing as a "PR7 website" (or domain). Google is a search engine, not a website directory. And like all search engines they index individual pages, not websites. Google does not assign PR to websites, they assign PR to individual web pages.

          A page's PR is not influenced by the domain name where it is placed, instead it is influenced by the pages that link to it, and the PR will be exactly the same regardless of which domain it is on if it has they exact same inbound links.

          Your pages were likely ranking initially based on QDF (Query Deserves Freshness) and as your freshness wore off your rankings sank to their truly earned ranking.

          This is not a new change in the algorithm, it exactly as it has worked for many years.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Funny thing is if you used "crazy blog post spamming" you would have ranked better.

    Fiverr for links is dumb but if you searched for blog post or guest post, you would at least be closer to things that work.

    Delete everything you think you know and start from the beginning.
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  • Profile picture of the author stackcash
    Can you funnel some juice from high PR pages on the domain to your page? Might be the best option for you. PR sculpting works - regardless of what others say.

    And, if you dropped from the second page to 100+, it's likely that you either bought shitty links that have no value OR your site got slapped already. Might be a good idea to start fresh with the hints provided to you in this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      Originally Posted by stackcash View Post

      Can you funnel some juice from high PR pages on the domain to your page? Might be the best option for you. PR sculpting works - regardless of what others say.

      And, if you dropped from the second page to 100+, it's likely that you either bought shitty links that have no value OR your site got slapped already. Might be a good idea to start fresh with the hints provided to you in this thread.
      I was hoping that since the page is on PR7 domain (it is truly a PR7 domain) it will not get slapped with Google penalty.

      Is there a way to check if Google put penalty on my url?
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      • Profile picture of the author rrram2
        there is no such thing as a PR7 domain. typically the main page of a TLD will have the highest PR, but PR is assigned by page, NOT DOMAIN!

        Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        I was hoping that since the page is on PR7 domain (it is truly a PR7 domain) it will not get slapped with Google penalty.

        Is there a way to check if Google put penalty on my url?
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  • Profile picture of the author online only
    Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

    I have keywords in URL, Title, Description. I did some link building on Fiverr and was able to get the page to top 20 on Google. Fiverr gigs were for 30-40 profile links on high PR forums, and some social backlinks (PDFs, FB likes, etc) in reasonable quantities. NO Crazy blog post spamming etc.
    What year is it? 2008, 2009?

    Stop trying to find loopholes in Google algo :p
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      Originally Posted by online only View Post

      What year is it? 2008, 2009?

      Stop trying to find loopholes in Google algo :p
      So what works these days? For something like this i cannot afford extensive content building etc. I need something relatively simple to rank on page one for not a very competitive keyword.

      Many recent posts on this forum say that link building works for youtube videos etc so i was trying to do something similar.

      I checked using Market samurai and SEO spyglass and top 10 sites dont have that many backlinks and the ones they have are not high quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

    I have posted my ebook to a website which is PR7.

    I have keywords in URL, Title, Description. I did some link building on Fiverr and was able to get the page to top 20 on Google. Fiverr gigs were for 30-40 profile links on high PR forums, and some social backlinks (PDFs, FB likes, etc) in reasonable quantities. NO Crazy blog post spamming etc.

    However, in the last 3 weeks my url dropped from top 20 to 120-150?

    Did Google change its algorithm?
    Did i do something wrong and my page got penalized?
    Can URL on PR7 domain be penalized?
    Never, ever use Fiverr for SEO..

    It has been said here times without number, it's no longer about quantity but quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      Never, ever use Fiverr for SEO..

      It has been said here times without number, it's no longer about quantity but quality.
      I was very careful which Fiverr gigs i picked. I did not go for the 1000+ backlinks gigs.

      I did 30-40 high PR forum profiles and another 20-30 social backlinks (pdf, facebook likes, Weebly, Tumblr, Delicious, Stumbleupon etc.). They were all done over 2-3 months not all at once.

      My URL started at 100+ went up to second page and then dropped down to 100+
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        I was very careful which Fiverr gigs i picked. I did not go for the 1000+ backlinks gigs.

        I did 30-40 high PR forum profiles and another 20-30 social backlinks (pdf, facebook likes, Weebly, Tumblr, Delicious, Stumbleupon etc.). They were all done over 2-3 months not all at once.

        My URL started at 100+ went up to second page and then dropped down to 100+
        Those are junk. Does not matter if they were done all at once or spaced out. Still junk. Forum profile links are probably the single worst type of link you can use.
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  • Profile picture of the author zenichanin
    Until your rankings stabilize, it is perfectly normal for them to dance around Google. I've seen rankings go from 300+ to first page, then again 300+, then slowly creep up into the first page over a few weeks timeframe.

    However, it could also be that your page is not well optimized for that keyword or the backlinks you bought were too keyword-rich anchors and Google is just ignoring them.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    Why was my comment passed over? I was trying to help! Boo!
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  • Profile picture of the author sanusense
    Trusting fiverr gigs that they will get you top spot on SERPs...not happening. And recently slow panda update happened. So, that would be a strong reason for your de-railed position.
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      Fiverr gigs got me from 200+ to top 20 but then for whatever reason my rankings dropped to 100+

      Someone suggested it could be Google dance.... Is there a way to check if url was penalized? I highly doubt thats the case since url is on PR7 domain.
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      • Profile picture of the author dburk
        Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        Fiverr gigs got me from 200+ to top 20 but then for whatever reason my rankings dropped to 100+

        Someone suggested it could be Google dance.... Is there a way to check if url was penalized? I highly doubt thats the case since url is on PR7 domain.
        Hi ericnyc,

        You just described the classic effect of the "Freshness Factor" (a.k.a. QDF).

        And for some reason you seem to be clinging to the invalid concept of domains having PR. That false notion seems to be at the root of what puzzles you. If you cannot accept the simple truth that Google doesn't assign PR to domains you will forever remain puzzled.

        There is no such thing as a PR7 domain. All PR is assigned to individual URLs, never to domains. A new page on a freshly registered domain, has the same PR as a page on a domain that has a homepage URL with PR7, PR8, or PR10.

        If you were to gain an inbound link from another page that is PR7, it will have the same effect on your page regardless of which domain it resides. Domains are not a factor in SEO, unless the entire website has been banned.
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        • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
          I looked again at inbound links for top 10 pages for my keyword and most of the pages have fewer links than my page and most of the links are low quality.

          So why would these pages be top 10 and my end up as 100+?
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          • Profile picture of the author dburk
            Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

            I looked again at inbound links for top 10 pages for my keyword and most of the pages have fewer links than my page and most of the links are low quality.

            So why would these pages be top 10 and my end up as 100+?
            Because link count is not an indication of link strength. It also does not matter how many low value links they have, if they have a single high value link that may be enough to rank. Also, Google does not rank pages based on links alone, it is just one of many signals.

            I have my doubts that you know how Google values links, as your posts indicate you have yet to grasp some of the fundamental concepts of how Search Engines index and rank webpages. If you are willing to share some specific information about the pages, or keywords, in question I am sure the some of us here can help you to understand why you competitors are out ranking your page.
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            • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

            I looked again at inbound links for top 10 pages for my keyword and most of the pages have fewer links than my page and most of the links are low quality.

            So why would these pages be top 10 and my end up as 100+?
            A few of those links might be really strong. Number of links does not matter. Number of quality links does.

            They could have better internal links, better content, etc.

            Also, you were building profile links. They are total crap. That could be holding your site back. I would get those removed ASAP.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarah Operman
    Do not use Fiverr for SEO, that is a fact. I have never done it, but I know people who have and I have to say you get less than what you pay for. Who knows what the Fiverr merchant you purchase from is doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author dburk
      Hi Eric,

      Technically, that page has been optimized for the term "Improve Your Computer Career 10 Step Employment Guide". Congratulations, that page does indeed rank number 1 in search results for that term.

      For the more generic term of "employment guide" you have much greater competition and you page has very little optimization for that specific term.

      Consider changing the page title to feature your targeted term a bit more prominently (i.e. Employment Guide - Improve Your Computer Career in 10 Steps). Also, if able, make the font larger and bold for that exact keyword with the headline and text of the document. If allowed use the term in anchor text for outbound as well as inbound links.

      Competition for the keyword "employment guide"

      330 documents targeting keyword in the page title.
      527 documents targeting keyword in the URL
      323 documents targeting keyword in text
      313 documents targeting keyword in anchortext

      While this isn't a heavily targeted term, it does have many documents with better optimization than your page for that term. So a litle work and you should be able to get it ranking pretty well.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Unfortunately for you there seems to be a site called Employment Guide with PR6 homepage and quite a lot of social media profiles. They're notable enough to hold a Wikipedia entry. Just that one entity makes it much more harder to get to the first page.

    I'm not a native speaker so please excuse me if this comment is just stupid, but is "employment guide" the best possible keyword? Do people who want to get employed search for that? The same disclaimer applies here, but I think the product description could benefit from a bit of polishing.

    I'd blame Google dance for changes in SERPs. I've often had pages break top 20, and some time later fall from top 100 or remain in 80+ range. Maybe your links didn't help much, but probably they didn't hurt either. If you can try the stuff dburk suggested first, and wait a bit more.
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  • Profile picture of the author rrram2
    and for sure fiverr is no place to get links from and think that they will help, long term. Google has changed as I have noticed that one of my sites has crashed and burned on google where I had dozens of #1 Google rankings for certain targeted key word searches. cant even find the site on google anymore, but I remain #1 on bing and yahoo for the same things I always was on google. google has recently changed and the tweak or whatever it was has totally made it so that having inbound links is bad, especially when they come from BS sites. inbound links are dead, sorry. Content remains king!
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    I am not sure if any1 will help you get your website to the TOP for only 4 bucks ( - $1.00 fee!) I think you should work yourself and try to be as natural as you can... and don't buy links to your main website!
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    A website "like amazon" would use redirected javascript links, and pass no pagerank if there was any to pass. Chances are the PR on the page linking to you is below O at N/A.

    Keywords ranking's bounce up and down in waves. Just because it is down now, it doesn't mean it will stay down.
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    • Profile picture of the author ericnyc
      It appears to be Google dance as i have come back to 25-30 and 50-60 positions for my keywords.

      I have very little control over the content and structure of the page other than title and description.

      What can i do SEO wise other than backlinks? Will Facebook etc likes help?
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by ericnyc View Post

        What can i do SEO wise other than backlinks? Will Facebook etc likes help?
        If you can't get good backlinks, and can't really alter the page content there's not much SEO left. But I'm not sure why you think that Fiverr crap is the only game in town. I'd consider PPC or some sort of blogger outreach. You could try a sort of mini launch to get your name out there.

        Facebook likes do not help in SEO. If you can get someone to like a story about your book, they've at least noticed it.
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