Link Building - Do you agree with this statement?

In almost every search query I make. Pages rank in search not websites. Internal pages of sites, sometimes with only links from other internal pages.

Using internal links from existing ranking pages improves the chance of ranking other pages for similar or same keywords. External links are only half the equation.

I'm pretty sure what Kevin meant is that it is not linear so I think you both are on the same page there.

I don't think it's the only way forward, but it is one way forward.

It would work for low/medium competition niches. The uber-competitive niches are still dominated by spam with the High-PR-Link approach taking a back seat.

Mind you, the spam isn't exactly direct or obvious. You've got to do a little digging.

I gotcha.

Sorry, I'm only on my 3rd cup of coffee. It was an interesting night... as I'm sure you noticed Mike. If not, you have a visitor message.

This sounds like a challenge...

I like where this is going.

I'm not a big scotch drinker, but when I do it's normally done old n' neat. Occasionally, the rocks or a lowball are fine - but if you're drinking scotch you might as well keep it neat in my opinion. The closer to liquid pain it is, the better for me personally.

For newbies, this is a very important part of SEO. Alcohol is a high performance nutritional supplement that you might not need when you are beginning but once you hit a performance plateau you will need something to break through and continue your gains in search position.

It's why Matt Cutts can never give you a straight story in his webmaster videos. His daily dose regimen of this and similar high performance supplements impairs his honesty and ethical point of view at times.

But like all things, if he wants to stay competitive then he needs every advantage he can get. That's just how this sport goes.

Well Paul, if you are looking to compare quality vs quantity, projecting it in the niche is quite essential.

For example, as you said, if you are looking to rank a website with the keyword "Carpet Cleaner", you search it in Google and gather the first 10 to 20 websites. Then, check their link profile through Ahrefs or Open Site Explorer or anything. See the unique domains that are linking to them and what kind of sites are linking to them. If they have 1000 links from blog comments, low quality article directories, blog directories or blog networks, you can easily beat them with 50 links from authoritative sources from your industry.

If you check ranking factors surveyed by Moz 2013 Search Engine Ranking Factors Survey & Correlation Data - Moz, you will see Page Authority is of primary importance when ranking a page/website. So, what I generally do is check the page authority of most of the 1000 links and get an estimate about the average page authority of the entire page in whole. Then, build links from authoritative sources from my industry that nearly averages the page authority of the links I am building. So, if I need to build 50 links to get somewhere near that average, that's enough to beat your competitors with 1000 links.

However, if your competitor has 500 utterly high quality links, then it's tough to beat them, though not impossible. That means you need to build links from better sources than them and more in number than them.

So, what I mean here is that you can rank with 10 links or with 10000 links. It depends on how your competitors links profile is. A weak but quantitative link profile means you have better chances of stronger and qualitative but lesser in number link building.

It's just a calculative and strategic approach you need to take in order to compare quantity vs quality of links.

Mainak Halder holding it down on the WoFo for team white hat...

Trust me on this , quantity still matters. Seen it on at least more than 30 sites. But having just a bunch of links from gov sites and the right key anchor phrase will take you to top position in no time.

Note: please keep an eye on your anchor phrases. I have just seen a site get destroyed by excessive key anchor usage. It had an incredible link profile with more than 100 edu links and 25 gov links. All it had wrong was excessive key anchor phrase in link profile -- which was naturally gotten by the way.

I wish the webmaster would just appeal to google and ask to look over the issue. Instead, he just let the site die. PR6, 10 year old site just gone !! Hurts my heart, even.

Yes, you are right, to get PR you must need to make high quality backlink.

But you are wrong about some point. Who tell you link from BBC, Guardian, Telegraph and NASA is more valuable than others site? What you you know about quality link?

Well, any link from niche related topics (For example: Your site niche is blogging tips, so you need to make backlink on the topic which is talking about blogging tips) if it's from NASA of avowzone no matter.

You also need to check the topic PR, authority, MOZRank, and outbound link. If it's well then this is best for you not NASA, BBC or others.

Hope it can make you a little sense. Thank you.

Your only asking half a question, rank for what? What's the keyword? Your not ranking for auto insurance with 4 decent links If that's what your thinking.

Anyways... you have to make a decision are you wanting to rank your new site for a long time (long term quality links) or, are you building a churn & burn site where all you care about is ranking a temporary site for a month or so (spammy links). With that being said, spammy links can rank a page long term but there's always that Google slap waiting to happen.

It's your call, short term or long term site.

Hasn't this been the million dollar question for years now? Seem's like quite the debate overkill. Obviously a good mix of lower quality and higher quality links are probably the best choice. Not to spam links obviously, but lower pr links are bound to happen if done "naturally" correct? Isn't naturally what Google is after anyways?

The other consideration to take into account is the commercial viability of the keywords in question.

Sometimes, just sometimes it makes sense to rank 1 site for 5 keyword 15 days out of the month and move on to the next domain to rank 15 days out of the next month, and the months after that...

What if those keywords made you four to five figures a day?
What if you had 8 or 10 of these projects running?

... What if they funded investments into large WH projects?

What kind of site could you build with a 5+ figure a day bankroll?

I realize this sounds a little salesy, but I'm just trying to get people to think about what a operating budget like that can do for their overall businesses 3, 6 or 12 months down the road...

That's a SEO based way to bootstrap a real business, application or service of significant size without spamming.

Mind you it's just a way, one of many of course...

Just some late night Sunday ramblings, nothing else...

my friend,

you may right, but it depends on this that how may people are opening that high PR sites in a day and if they are opening then are they clicking on your link ?

My friend it is important to establish link with high PR links, but it too important that people should click on your provided link,

that's why we submit link on so many website and various types of website.

Yes,I completely agree with this statement. The most important strategy for a link building is the quality of the content to be used in linking.If you want to do link building, you should learn various link building strategies first. Listed below are the top link building techniques:
1.Freebies
2.Guest Posting
3.Blog Posting
Various link building tasks are also there such as
• Social Bookmarking
• Image Backlinks
• PPT/PDF Creation and submission
• Web2.0 Thick links
• Video Creation Submission and Distribution