Link More Than Once to a Page if You Like But Apparently its Not Really Doing You Any Good.

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Can't tell how often I have seen private blog networks with the owners linking to the same page twice or more on their network page. I never taught them to do it but even some of my students have insisted it gave them more boost. I never really bought it but like I said some insisted. This applies to any link building really but where else do you really have the control to link twice contextually? (I mean that isn't already seen as spammy)

Anyway as much as you can take google debunking anything Matt Cutts recently said last he knew google ONLY LOOKS AT ONE LINK to a page on any link source. So multiple linking in addition to looking terribly obvious (its own footprint) isn't probably working anyway

Two Links, Different Anchor Text, Same URL: Does it Matter to Google? - SEW

According to the video the last time he checked was 2009.

I have noticed an increase in rank from link volume off of the same site to the same page on another site but my links get traffic so that may be a factor too.

More links pointed to the page will send more link juice but if they are the only OBL anyway it wouldnt matter so in my case I believe its the traffic affecting it (I use GA and GWT so G DOES infact know how much traffic I get)

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10 years ago

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seoexploits

If one site links to you on different pages then I think Google will value this, so you can reuse a site but not too much........For example, I've been working on page level linking but internal page linking could play a major part in how your backlink profile is seen by Google (on a whole).

Sorry my man the article as I read it had nothing to do with internal linking or different pages so I don't see the need to agree to disagree.

So in summary two links per post is OK but link to different pages, then it splits the value, decreasing the likelihood of Pagerank manipulation penalties to any one page (considering link penalties are page level)

Yep you didn't read the Op or the article. It had reference to linking to the same page not different pages and um not all penalties are page level - not sure where you got that from but its wrong. Google has been known to penalize whole domains.

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10 years ago

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seoexploits

I think I gave a perfect explanation of site level linking on a website that you value. Not spending $600 per domain to not knowing how to use links but linking naturally from one page to the same domain and mulitple times per domain to the same domain.

What in the world are you talking about? Who said anything about $600 per domain

knowing how to use links but linking naturally from one page to the same domain and mulitple times per domain to the same domain.........There is nothing wrong with this Mike Carlin should know what he's talking about here

why don't you ask him?

.... Mike Carlin? Mike Carlin has been in here asking Mike Friedman and I about building networks. You may be new but I don't need to ask Mike about anything. I've taught hundreds of people how to build PBNs and regardless of this article its as unnatural as junk to be linking multiple times to the same page. Its a footprint. You will rarely find any site linking contextually to any other site's page more than once on the same page.

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- Mike Anthony 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seoexploits
  
  Your previous posts, this is the money you are wasting.
  
  :rolleyes: trolling
  
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  Mike Anthony 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seoexploits
  
  No thanks!
  
  Yep.............Hi nik0 .....lol (theres only one person in a discussion that has ever refused to follow a link in a discussion .....just sayin)
  
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  Mike Anthony 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by seoexploits
  
  No thanks!
  
  YES they link more than once to one page...
  
  Read the question again and show us the contextual links on that page. Happens but rarely and its not the way to create a link pattern on a PBN. period.
  
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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seoexploits

Mike if you're so concerned about linking to multiple domains your own from one site or "network" then register multiple address', bank, address, IPs etc but in reality that's not necessary.

In keeping with my milder gentler Mike persona I will just take this opportunity to welcome you to WF.

Please enjoy your time here

Where is GOY. I need his advice on being gentler to newbs instructing me on how to build PBNs.

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keepkalm

10 years ago

I thought that this was already well known throughout the SEO Industry. First link is the more important one, but they both pass the same PageRank because it's essentially diluting them both. It's not more or less, it's exactly the same if I am understanding this correctly.

The anchor text of the first link was kind of a new piece of information, not too entirely helpful, but a little more informative.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by keepkalm

I thought that this was already well known throughout the SEO Industry. First link is the more important one,

Has nothing to do with this though. It isn't about the first link

not too entirely helpful, but a little more informative.

To you perhaps not but to those who run PBNs its a very helpful tip for the many PBNs I see linking more than once to the same page.
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sevemichaelml3

10 years ago

Originally Posted by keepkalm

I thought that this was already well known throughout the SEO Industry. First link is the more important one, but they both pass the same PageRank because it's essentially diluting them both. It's not more or less, it's exactly the same if I am understanding this correctly.

The anchor text of the first link was kind of a new piece of information, not too entirely helpful, but a little more informative.

not everyone knows this..

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hipeopo02

10 years ago

MATT CUTTS:

"Looking at the original PageRank paper, if you had two links from one page to another page, both links would flow PageRank," Cutts said. "The amount of PageRank gets divided evenly in the original paper between all the outgoing links, so it's the case that two links both go to the same page, then twice as much PageRank would go to that page."

More links to the same page the better but anchor text variation doesn't matter at this level

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

More links to the same page the better but anchor text variation doesn't matter at this level

sure but you are losing out on the ranking benefit to the serp you are targeting and making your PBN look unnatural. The aim is ranking not increasing PR.

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hipeopo02

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

sure but you are losing out on the ranking benefit to the serp you are targeting and making your PBN look unnatural. The aim is ranking not increasing PR.

I get how its important to keep your PBN footprint/pattern free and that PR does NOT neccessarily equal a high ranking in serps but what do you mean I am "losing out on the ranking benefit to the serp you are targeting"

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

I get how its important to keep your PBN footprint/pattern free and that PR does NOT necessarily equal a high ranking in serps but what do you mean I am "losing out on the ranking benefit to the serp you are targeting"

If you chose not to place the second link that means the single link would flow more link juice per link anyway. If google only counts one link as a vote toward a keyword then you get no credit for the second one relevance wise. So if you wanted to flow more PR to the page cut down on links and skip creating a footprint. Thats how I see it.

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10 years ago

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by seoexploits

I've read ZDNet for years, they do link to the same page from the same page time and time again

So then your linking to Zdnet with the LOL was just smoke blowing and you have no evidence its normal eh?

Nik0 is banned and he refused a $20k JV from me on a SEO dealing so lets see where he is in a year YES? probably in the local SEO pit he's in now.

Now isn't that odd. You joined ONE days ago but you are up to date on who is banned previous to your joining. LOL..Nik0 I know you have HMA on by now but you are really pushing it. The 20k JV thing was kinda lame though

If you understand anything about mathematics, then you'll have hit the wall that [truly] says anything is possible and everything is in fact random including linking and Google know themselves there are contraindications to every rule so stop thinking so deeply and just randomise everything in your linking.

Thats quite the mouthful of gibberish

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Alright, let's calm down a little in here.

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netanel23

10 years ago

I've been saying this for YEARS. This was a debate way back when, maybe '09?

Don't put more than one link on a page, and have the first link be the primary anchor text.

Think about it from Google's point of view, why keep more than one link's anchor text from a page?

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by netanel23

Think about it from Google's point of view, why keep more than one link's anchor text from a page?

Why wouldn't Google keep track of all anchor-text, they do for internal links, so why not do the same for external links?

All 4 Google Sitelinks Cache redirect to the SERP title URL:

Paste these Sitelink Cache URLs in your browser & look at the Cache URL after the page loads.

cache:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Peugeot#Family
cache:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Peugeot#Education
cache:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Peugeot#Business
cache:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_Peugeot#Trivia

Those Google Sitelink anchor-text in the screenshot above are from multiple on-page anchor-text links.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why wouldn't Google keep track of all anchor-text, they do for internal links, so why not do the same for external links?

Because thats comparing apples to oranges. When Google shows and indexes site links it assists the user in getting to the sections that they may want to go to. Keeping track of all anchor text external links serves no non seo function.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Because thats comparing apples to oranges. When Google shows and indexes site links it assists the user in getting to the sections that they may want to go to. Keeping track of all anchor text external links serves no non seo function.

It's not apples to oranges, it's the same web page with multiple anchor-text, even If it's jumplinks.

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timpears

10 years ago

This should be common knowledge to anyone who uses PBNs. But as usual, there is so much misconception in the SEO biz. And so many people teaching SEO stuff that is not true.

One thing I have come to understand. if Mike Anthony says it, you can take it to the bank.

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Ghoster

10 years ago

I don't see why Google would count more than one link. They are primarily concerned with backlinks, not out-going links. As far as your own SEO is concerned, they couldn't care less who you link to.

Let me know if I'm wrong.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Sometimes logic eludes people when running networks. Over thinking SEO for their main site, and discarding the SEO and possible earnings to be made from the network site.

Using too many SEO optimized anchor for the same keyword, on the same page, over and over. Not only makes the page look so unnatural in terms of SEO over-optimization. But also reduces the OBL power of internal links from the network site. Internal links that can be used to piggy back on the power of the main page, and in turn link out to other money sites from the same domain in a natural looking way.

Just makes no sense. Logically thinking, If I need the same anchor with twice the power of a PR3 link. I would just buy 2 x PR3 domains then.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Just makes no sense. Logically thinking, If I need the same anchor with twice the power of a PR3 link. I would just buy 2 x PR3 domains then.

Pretty much
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- nik0 Banned 10 years ago
  
  I wouldn't like from the same page twice to the same page.
  
  However from the same domain makes sense.
  
  Say you only use PBN to rank your site.
  
  It's only natural to have a break down like "# links per domain" like:
  
  - majority 1 link per domain (eg static homepage)
  - good amount 2 links per domain (eg category page + innerpage)
  - decent amount 3 links per domain (cat/home/inner page)
  - some 4+ link per domain (easy to increase by multiple blog posts per domain or adding tags)
  
  For this static, homepage, category page, inner page I used the Wordpress platform to illustrate the idea.
  
  Linking two times from the same page to the same page with different anchor text's, why not, if all is good the link juice should be divided (1st link maybe more juice but whatever) and it leads to more anchor diversity, which can never be a bad thing.
  
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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Sometimes logic eludes people when running networks. Over thinking SEO for their main site, and discarding the SEO and possible earnings to be made from the network site.

Using too many SEO optimized anchor for the same keyword, on the same page, over and over. Not only makes the page look so unnatural in terms of SEO over-optimization. But also reduces the OBL power of internal links from the network site. Internal links that can be used to piggy back on the power of the main page, and in turn link out to other money sites from the same domain in a natural looking way.

Just makes no sense. Logically thinking, If I need the same anchor with twice the power of a PR3 link. I would just buy 2 x PR3 domains then.

That's just blatant stuffing not really a one size fits all considering everyone doesn't stuff & multiple links per page can be useful for traffic, just depends on the situation/content.

I think some of the folks around here zone out & get stuck in an SEO is the only thing that exist mentality.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Nope. its just that the thread is about SEO
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ronmojohny

10 years ago

Google gives more weight to the first link they find when the robot scans the page, whether it's to the same url or not. PR is a formula based on the odds that someone will find your link out of the billions of links available. So having more links to the same URL should increase the flow of link juice slightly, but it looks unnatural to Google and I would avoid doing it. (Risk vs Reward)

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