Need $1000 bucks this week?

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Hey guys,

Here is one method that really kicks some butt...

I started selling local business listings to companies in my area. When I
tried to sell people on one call it was difficult and not working for me so I tried a little twist. I called businesses and offered them a FREE listing first with google. I choose accountants to work with. So, I called the owners of the business and let them know I would have them on the first page of google within 30 hours. **side note** I did a quick search on google for accountants and just went to the 3 page of google. Then started contacting all businesses on the 3rd, 4th, 5th pages and so on. Here's my little pitch...

Hello

_________ please

Hello __________ my name is Jay Sabree and I'm a local e-commerce business consultant and seo expert. I understand you're a busy person. Here's the bottom line.

I'm here to help you:
To get more exposure
And ultimately, to get you more business and sales

Here's a couple facts for you

Just over 80% of Canadians go to the internet first and look for your services there. Once they've found your services on the net then they contact you or they go into your business/office after they've found you on the internet.

Now here's the down side to that, if you're not on the first page of Google then it's likely that your website is not being seen at all. Google has put together statistics showing that 98% of the business that they generate is as a result of being on their first page.

Going forward, it is essential that you have your business on the first page of Google.

What I'm going to do for you isn't going to cost you anything right now.

I'll put you on the first page of Google for one of the highest volume keyword terms within the next 30 hours.

Here are the details.
When people go to google they type in specific words to find your business or the services that your industry offers. I have the list of the highest volume search words in your specific industry. This information has come directly from Google itself.

Of those search words here are two of the highest volume keywords for you to choose from

According to Google's data bank the keyword
____________ receives ________ searches per month

And the keyword ____________ receives ________ searches per month

Which one would you like me to put you on the first page of Google for?

Great!

Then I'm going to call you on Friday ... To talk about putting you on Google's first page for 5 high volume keywords which is the largest search engines and account for the lion share of the internet search traffic.

On Friday when I call you back I'm going to let you know about keywords that are receiving 1.2 million searches per month + + + that the rest of your industry is not taking advantage of.

Is Friday at 2:00p.m. good for you?
Can you be in front of a computer for that time?

Great

The key here is I went to Google Keyword Tool Box and found all the high volume keywords first. Then I went over the google and made share NO OTHERS COMPANIES were using google maps for that keyword term. I gathered 15 high volume keywords (75 thousands searches per month, plus plus). To refine the process I also looked at the commercial value for each keyword in my geographic area. I used the adwords keyword estimator. https://adwords.google.com/select/Tr...timatorSandbox. I choose the best terms to offer each company. I used a two step approach to sealing the deal. Only one keyword was setup for each company to show them what I could do for them. Then i called them back in two days (after making sure they were on the first page of google in the number one position) Again, I made sure there was no google maps competition for the keyword term first. When the follow up call was made I got them in front of their computer and had them type the keyword term in. Once, they saw them self in the number one position with no other competition then it was like taking candy from a baby... lol I offered them 3 keywords terms in google and one keyword term in yahoo and msn for $497.00. I also made it a one time payment for life and a bonus one on one internet marketing consultation (value of $297). Of course, the local business listing was my shoe in and the rest was smooth sailing ...

If you're not sure how to put together a google maps listing watch this quick video...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lviDz8fUMTE

This addition/amendment is being made for all those that
would like other ideas aside from the phone! - (June 27th)

Here's an idea of what you could do:

Take the script and turn it into a flier/e-mail
50 fliers to businesses per day
50 e-mails to businesses per day
50 phone calls to businesses per day
Setup a barter system with some companies (you can setup a local listing
for them) in return they hand out your fliers to their customers
example: Dry cleaners

Do this over 10 business days and see what happens!

Cheers

Jay
#bucks #week
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    This is actually a very easy model to follow and one that beginners in the offline stuff could jump on pretty easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeonbro
    Jay, this is a great sales pitch and marketing idea
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    • Profile picture of the author jmcg084
      Nice one Jay! That's some really good advice on how to handle some cold leads! Thanks a lot!
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Hello Jay,

    Thanks for the easy to follow plan. I'll remember not to contact any accountants in Toronto

    Curtis
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by CurtisN View Post

      Hello Jay,

      Thanks for the easy to follow plan. I'll remember not to contact any accountants in Toronto

      Curtis

      i'll cheerfully split the accountants with you...
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      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Maria Gudelis
    Awesome Jay...thanks for sharing! Don't forget the 'continuity' model as well with the 'add coupons'....Ka Ching!

    cheers, Maria
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Hello,

      Originally Posted by jsandlin View Post

      This is cool for the offline person. Personally I don't think my sales skills on the phone are very good. But this is a great plan.

      Good luck
      With something like this, you really don't need to be a great sales person. Actually, not sounding like a sales robot would probably be to your benefit.
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      • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Hello,
        With something like this, you really don't need to be a great sales person. Actually, not sounding like a sales robot would probably be to your benefit.
        I agree with that. Sometimes simplicity is the best route. I was trying to make things too salesy in the beginning of marketing the local listings. Keep it simple and you'll do fine... NO SALES experience needed. Just play the numbers game and you'll make a couple sales by this time next week. This method works GREAT!!!
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        Jay
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        • Profile picture of the author 7_8_shortcuts
          Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

          I agree with that. Sometimes simplicity is the best route. I was trying to make things too salesy in the beginning of marketing the local listings. Keep it simple and you'll do fine... NO SALES experience needed. Just play the numbers game and you'll make a couple sales by this time next week. This method works GREAT!!!
          Well yes, the point is to demonstrate value and actually deliver value. After that there is no much reason to act like a pushy salesman. Basic psychology :-) the more you push the more they pull...
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      • Profile picture of the author Amanti Code
        Thanks Jay for sharing, I'd be wary of doing this over, could be seen as an undesirable trick
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        • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
          Originally Posted by Amanti Code View Post

          I'd be wary of doing this over, could be seen as an undesirable trick
          This is where you and I defer. There is no way that I would give up
          something that is fruitful because of a little negative press. This
          method works and very well for those that use it. I've been an
          affiliate marketer for sometime driving traffic through PPC. I learned
          a lot of how to generate income through trial and error. Whenever
          I didn't play by Google's rules then my bank account felt that cold
          reality. So, whenever my traffic was cut off or Google decided to
          hike up my minimum bid 'The Google Slap', I simply contacted the
          powers that be and found out what the issue was. Then I sourced
          out a solution, took action and never made the same mistake twice.
          The difference between the highly successful and the mediocre is
          speed of implementation.

          BTW: For anyone that is having issues with adwords PPC here is
          their phone number - 866 246 6453

          This was and still is a fantastic brainstorming session for the forum.
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          Cheers

          Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author ken_p
      Originally Posted by jsandlin View Post

      This is cool for the offline person. Personally I don't think my sales skills on the phone are very good. But this is a great plan.

      Good luck

      I dont think you need a lot of sale skills in this,you just need to know what you are talking about, and i am sure, you can convince any potential client out there.
      :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
    I started this method a few weeks back... First I was not giving anything away for free... (BIG MISTAKE) I couldn't close anything... So, with my tail between my legs i went back to the drawing board and thought 'Hey i could setup a local listing in 6 minutes'. No real skin off my back. So, I switched the pitch and targeted my audience to suit the new sales pitch. No I did not close everyone. If you expect to close everyone then sales is going to give you a cold shower. Sales has been and always will be a numbers game. However, after looking at the number of companies that I called and how many I closed with the new pitch the ratio was 1 in 15. More specifically, I closed 1 in every 15 companies that accepted the FREE offer. **not everyone wanted the FREE listing** It is important that you go into everything with the right expectations and mind set.
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    Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin Humphries
    Awesome post. Thanks for the info, I'm pretty new to the whole making money online thing, but this is great!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by humph63 View Post

      Awesome post. Thanks for the info, I'm pretty new to the whole making money online thing, but this is great!
      I'll bet if you start using this simple method by tomorrow you'll have one or two clients by next week...
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      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Sol
    Hi!
    I had a question for you.
    The last time I added a business to google maps local listing, I was asked to activate it by phone... How do you do that? You always provide your own phone number?

    Thanks,

    Alex
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Alex Sol View Post

      Hi!
      I had a question for you.
      The last time I added a business to google maps local listing, I was asked to activate it by phone... How do you do that? You always provide your own phone number?
      Thanks,
      Alex
      Hey there

      I missed your question before... You can use your phone number to verify
      2 sometimes 3 listings after that use family/friends/work at home commission employees for more numbers. Once they accept or decline your offer then you either change the phone to their number or you delete the listing.

      cheers

      Jay
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      Cheers

      Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        Jay it would be better to use the actual business phone number to verify the listing. But I guess you can't.

        Some more questions regarding phone numbers:

        * I'm guessing here, but you probably need a phone number at least in the same area code as the business?
        * Can you change the listing's number after the fact?

        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        Hey there

        I missed your question before... You can use your phone number to verify
        2 sometimes 3 listings after that use family/friends/work at home commission employees for more numbers. Once they accept or decline your offer then you either change the phone to their number or you delete the listing.

        cheers

        Jay
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        • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
          Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

          Jay it would be better to use the actual business phone number to verify the listing. But I guess you can't.

          Some more questions regarding phone numbers:

          * I'm guessing here, but you probably need a phone number at least in the same area code as the business?
          * Can you change the listing's number after the fact?
          Hey Joe,

          It is better to use the business number so please do that
          if you can. You don't need to be in the same area code.
          I work out of a couple different area codes. I'm not
          experiencing any problems. You can change the listing at
          anytime you want. You have complete control over the
          listing and all the different categories.
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          Cheers

          Jay
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          • Profile picture of the author niurkad
            Jay,

            This is my first post and really one of the first threads that i have read. This is such a great idea. I wanted to do this for my business site but had no idea how to even begin. Thanks for your insight on this. If you decide to do a pdf file or WSO for this i would definitely be interested.
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            • Profile picture of the author JNFerree
              For those tracking this thread, you might want to review the attached file.

              This 3 page PDF contains the survey questions asked by Google regarding the New Business Listing into Google maps. Not sure if it adds anything special to this discussion, but knowing what Google considers important enough to ask "their" customers was worth it to me to find out, Especially in Question #4.
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe118
            You can buy a number in any area code from Skype, so you can do this offline approach in an area where you're not present physically. I'm not sure whether it is viable to do this kind of thing w/o meeting the prospect face-to-face. Jay can you respond on that?

            Here's the skype link:

            Online number SkypeIn - Skype personal internet number
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            • Profile picture of the author Izesta
              Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

              You can buy a number in any area code from Skype, so you can do this offline approach in an area where you're not present physically. I'm not sure whether it is viable to do this kind of thing w/o meeting the prospect face-to-face. Jay can you respond on that?

              Here's the skype link:

              Online number SkypeIn - Skype personal internet number

              Hey Joe,

              What exactly are you referring to when you say, "I'm not sure whether it is viable to do this kind of thing w/o meeting the prospect face-to-face."
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              • Profile picture of the author Izesta
                I see there's a lot of discussion here about Skype.

                For those who choose to go this route, there is another service available called Magic Jack. Cheaper than Skype. It's really totally free calls after you buy the USB gadget that's required. I think I paid about $49 for 2 years. This works via a telephone that you plug into your usb port. I have a phone plugged into my usb port as I type right now.

                I got this internet phone service over a year ago and it works great for what I needed it for - my home business. I wanted a separate, physical phone and phone number w/o the Verizon expense.

                FYI, last week, I used it to claim my Local Listing and it showed up in about 3 hours.

                Had a little problem because at first Google flagged my listing and said waiting for "Content Check." This sort of scared me so I did some research and found that Google does not like particular words to show up in the business description. Since my home business revolves around SEO and local search, I foolishly had the word "Google" in my description. I removed the word "Google" but it still took me some time to get it to show up.

                From what I read, when Google flags you for "Content Check" it can take up to 6 weeks for Google to correct it. And since Google probably isn't looking at these listings, the article I read said it might never be corrected. And if you try to delete or remove the listing so you can start over, Google doesn't handle that well either sometimes.

                So be cautious when writing the biz description. There are other banned words too.

                Back in April, I added my Local Listing for my 9 to 5 job. And despite the fact that my day occupation is a VERY popular search topic, I am number 1 or number 2 depending on the time of day - with no hocus pocus with business name or keywords.

                I also rank number 2 most days for a search in my entire state (keyword + state). The search results show 12,000,000 pages, so for me to show up at the top of Local Listings ahead of just about everybody is downright amazing. And this is not because I did such a great job. It's because my competition hasn't claimed their listings - despite the fact that many of them are BIG companies. This shows what a fabulous window of opportunity this is for small business.

                I highly suggest that everyone at least claim a listing for your own business so you can be your 1st testimonial. I rent a box at the UPS Center for my home biz address. It wasn't a problem with Google at all.

                Back to Magic Jack. As for needing different phone numbers to verify your listings, you can't have more than one Magic Jack number at the same time - (unless you were to purchase 2 separate Magic Jack usb devices of course). You would have to change the number for each biz you verify. The 1st phone number change is free. After that, a change is $10.00. Same as Skype I guess but no other fees or cpm involved. Magic jack comes with voicemail, call fowarding and all the typical goodies. If interested, just search for Magic Jack.

                Hope this was helpful.

                Good luck folks.
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        • Profile picture of the author appr
          Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

          Jay it would be better to use the actual business phone number to verify the listing. But I guess you can't.

          Some more questions regarding phone numbers:

          * I'm guessing here, but you probably need a phone number at least in the same area code as the business?
          * Can you change the listing's number after the fact?
          Joe,

          If you change the listing's phone number after you verify, you have to re-verify.

          Joan
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    • Profile picture of the author rstanley
      I tried this too. The phone thing doesn't seem to work.
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      • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
        Originally Posted by rstanley View Post

        I tried this too. The phone thing doesn't seem to work.
        If you're using your cell phone to verify then you need
        have the text message sent to your cell
        The first option is for land lines only!

        Hey guys,

        I have developed a stronger script that seems to be converting
        better. I'm also sending out 500 fliers over the next two weeks
        and if it works out well then I'll share the results.

        Here's an idea of what you could do:

        Take the script and turn it into a flier/e-mail
        50 fliers to businesses per day
        50 e-mails to businesses per day
        50 phone calls to businesses per day
        Do a joint venture with some company (you can setup a local listing
        for them) in return they hand out your fliers to their customers
        example: Dry cleaners

        For those of you sitting on the fence, develop your own methods
        and run with them. This is by no means the only way to generate
        offline income. Again, this is only a loss leader for me. The real
        benefit is in the follow up meetings. You could sell this for $97 to
        whatever the market can bear. You could charge monthly fees
        or just do it as a free service to get your name out there.
        This is only a very basic beginning. I just wanted to get a few
        ideas rollings so that almost everyone on this forum could benefit.

        Hopefully that was achieved

        Final note for now, the closer you stick to Google's guidelines the
        better. That has already been addressed!
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        Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author ideasuniversity
    This is awesome. I will work on this and share my testimonial with you soon
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by ideasuniversity View Post

      This is awesome. I will work on this and share my testimonial with you soon
      Hey, that would be great! Once you've had some success post in here and let us know
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      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author ragnartm
    Yeah, so I go to this business meeting and get stopped by the guards. "Who are you kid? They're having an important business meeting here." (Fictional story.) Lol
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    • Profile picture of the author topcaller
      Great info thanks for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Green
    There are so many ways to make money offline, this is another great way. I just wish I actually liked making phone calls, lol. Guess I will stick with other methods for now, but luckily I dont have to worry about that. Great idea. I think being different from others and directly approaching these business owners is great. You really have to get out there and grab these people to bring them online.

    Mary
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  • Profile picture of the author Matt Gannon
    Made your post into a pdf so that I can keep it on my pc, I may try it! If your not comfortable doing phone calls pay a relative or a friend $20 - $50 to make the calls for you haha! I would say you pay them like $50 out of every client you land a sale on might be fair! I am interested on how you received payment? paypal, check?
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Matt Gannon View Post

      paypal
      So far it's been all paypal... And yes, this could have been my first $7 WSO... I have another great method for generating sales that maybe I'll share in a month or so...
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      Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author JNFerree
        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        So far it's been all paypal... And yes, this could have been my first $7 WSO... I have another great method for generating sales that maybe I'll share in a month or so...
        Good Stuff Jay,

        This is the 2nd GREAT Offline Money Maker idea I've snatched off WF this week and it's nice to see the many contributions being added along the way, so let me throw my $.02 in...

        Borrowing from our IM world, seems to me there's a aut transition into a OTO upsale offer that should/could be added to the Friday call back close conversation such that;

        Once Mr. Dentist sends his $$ to your PayPal account, and he's grinning ear to ear about being on page #1 for KW "tooth extraction" the next obvious maeuver would be to FEED that page #1 Google KW into a AdWords campaign and negotiate a fee for each lead generated, athough if his site has an 800# - that could be kinda tricky?

        PS: I take back all my vulgar insults to you Canooks for the Year's you stole the Stanley Cup
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        • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
          Originally Posted by Bennette View Post

          I was trying to get my husband's business on google maps 1st page. It's already signed up but I'm having a problem finding the right keywords to target.
          I suggest reading the first page of this thread again and following
          the steps I've outlined.

          'vinyl siding' maybe a good start?

          Originally Posted by JNFerree View Post

          PS: I take back all my vulgar insults to you Canooks for the Year's you stole the Stanley Cup
          lol ... All the best players still come from up north!
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      • Profile picture of the author shooting_star
        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        So far it's been all paypal... And yes, this could have been my first $7 WSO... I have another great method for generating sales that maybe I'll share in a month or so...
        I would be interested in hearing this when your ready.
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  • If you don't like making phonecalls and a lot of people don't. You can go to elance.com and hire telemarketers for $8-10 a hour. Which in encredibly cheap to make the sales pitch and schedule a meeting with the owner for you. I have used these types of services in the past and got remarkible results.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberchick
    Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

    Hey guys,

    Here is one method that really kicks some butt...

    I started selling local business listings to companies in my area. When I
    tried to sell people on one call it was difficult and not working for me so I tried a little twist. I called businesses and offered them a FREE listing first with google. I choose accountants to work with. So, I called the owners of the business and let them know I would have them on the first page of google within 30 hours. **side note** I did a quick search on google for accountants and just went to the 3 page of google. Then started contacting all businesses on the 3rd, 4th, 5th pages and so on. Here's my little pitch...

    Hello

    _________ please

    Hello __________ my name is Jay Sabree and I'm a local e-commerce business consultant and seo expert. I understand you're a busy person. Here's the bottom line.

    I'm here to help you:
    To get more exposure
    And ultimately, to get you more business and sales

    Here's a couple facts for you

    Just over 80% of Canadians go to the internet first and look for your services there. Once they've found your services on the net then they contact you or they go into your business/office after they've found you on the internet.

    Now here's the down side to that, if you're not on the first page of Google then it's likely that your website is not being seen at all. Google has put together statistics showing that 98% of the business that they generate is as a result of being on their first page.

    Going forward, it is essential that you have your business on the first page of Google.

    What I'm going to do for you isn't going to cost you anything right now.

    I'll put you on the first page of Google for one of the highest volume keyword terms within the next 30 hours.

    Here are the details.
    When people go to google they type in specific words to find your business or the services that your industry offers. I have the list of the highest volume search words in your specific industry. This information has come directly from Google itself.

    Of those search words here are two of the highest volume keywords for you to choose from

    According to Google's data bank the keyword
    ____________ receives ________ searches per month

    And the keyword ____________ receives ________ searches per month

    Which one would you like me to put you on the first page of Google for?

    Great!

    Then I'm going to call you on Friday ... To talk about putting you on Google's first page for 3 high volume keywords, as well as one keyword for Yahoo and MSN which are the largest search engines and account for the lion share of the internet search traffic.

    On Friday when I call you back I'm going to let you know about keywords that are receiving 1.2 million searches per month + + + that the rest of your industry is not taking advantage of.

    Is Friday at 2:00p.m. good for you?
    Can you be in front of a computer for that time?

    Great

    The key here is I went to Google Keyword Tool Box and found all the high volume keywords first. Then I went over the google and made share NO OTHERS COMPANIES were using google maps for that keyword term. I gathered 15 high volume keywords (75 thousands searches per month, plus plus). Those were the terms I offered each company. I used a two step approach to sealing the deal. Only one keyword was setup for each company to show them what I could do for them. Then i called them back in two days (after making sure they were on the first page of google in the number one position) Again, I made sure there was no google maps competition for the keyword term first. When the follow up call was made I got them in front of their computer and had them type the keyword term in. Once, they saw them self in the number one position with no other competition then it was like taking candy from a baby... lol I offered them 3 keywords terms in google and one keyword term in yahoo and msn for $497.00. I also made it a one time payment for life and a bonus one and one internet marketing consultation (value of $297). Of course, the local business listing was my shoe in and the rest was smooth sailing ...

    If you're not sure how to put together a google maps listing watch this quick video...

    YouTube - Local Business Center for Google Maps

    Cheers

    Jay
    Forgive me for asking this question, but how can you guarantee a first place position on Google with these maps? Are they automatically going to rank on position one for any keyword, or am I missing something here? And how do you circumnavigate the phone activation process for these company listings?

    If you could elaborate on this please it would make the whole picture a little easier to comprehend.
    Thanks
    Monika
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by cyberchick View Post

      Forgive me for asking this question, but how can you guarantee a first place position on Google with these maps? Are they automatically going to rank on position one for any keyword, or am I missing something here? And how do you circumnavigate the phone activation process for these company listings?
      If you could elaborate on this please it would make the whole picture a little easier to comprehend.
      Thanks
      Monika
      Great questions and these are all things that I have had to deal with and overcome... First of all, you need to be pretty organized and it would help if you have a couple phone numbers to boot.

      1. You need to research your market. Take dentists for example. If you type in - dentists new york - you'll find a large number of competition in google maps. So, why make things so difficult on yourself? Go to https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal and find other high volume keywords that have NO local businesses promoting themselves on that keyword. Such as, tooth extraction. There has no other google maps competition on that keyword and the google keyword tool shows over 100,000 searches just last month. That's a keyword many dentists would love the dominate.


      2. You need to create a different gmail address for each company... Do not use your own gmail address.

      3. I have two computers in my home. That helps but not needed...

      4. I've hired two commission sales people to go after the market. Once they get a bite I setup the listing with their phone number. Google gives them the code and they relay it back to me. (I know you like that one)
      This way I have many phone numbers to work with. If that's not an options then use a relative/friend. Anyone, with a landline phone.

      You can get on the first page in 24hrs or less sometimes with your local business listing through google. yahoo and msn use snail mail to verify the listing and they send it to the physical address which could take 2 weeks plus.

      Hope that helps a little...

      Cheers

      Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author cyberchick
        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        Great questions and these are all things that I have had to deal with and overcome... First of all, you need to be pretty organized and it would help if you have a couple phone numbers to boot.

        1. You need to research your market. Take dentists for example. If you type in - dentists new york - you'll find a large number of competition in google maps. So, why make things so difficult on yourself? Go to https://adwords.google.com/select/KeywordToolExternal and find other high volume keywords that have NO local businesses promoting themselves on that keyword. Such as, tooth extraction new york. There is no other google maps competition on that keyword and the google keyword tool shows over 100,000 searches just last month. That's a keyword many dentists would love the dominate.

        2. You need to create a different gmail address for each company... Do not use your own gmail address.

        3. I have two computers in my home. That helps but not needed...

        4. I've hired two commission sales people to go after the market. Once they get a bite I setup the listing with thier phone number. Google gives them the code and they relay it back to me. (I know you like that one)
        This way I have many phone numbers to work with. If that's not an options them use a relitive/friend. Anyone, with a landline phone.

        You can get on the first page in 24hrs or less sometimes with your local business listing through google. yahoo and msn use snail mail the verify the listing. And they send it to the physical address.

        Hope that helps a little...

        Cheers

        Jay
        Hi Jay,

        What you explained now makes perfect sense to me. Yes, I did like your suggestion about getting those phone numbers because I hate cold calling people. Like you I also intend to hire some sales people to do the leg-work for me for a nice commission.

        I already have my first domain (had it for a few weeks now) and it is setup and ready to roll. All I need are sales people, which is my next project.

        Thanks for the tips. They are certainly very much appreciated.
        Monika
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        • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
          Originally Posted by cyberchick View Post

          Hi Jay,
          What you explained now makes perfect sense to me. Yes, I did like your suggestion about getting those phone numbers because I hate cold calling people. Like you I also intend to hire some sales people to do the leg-work for me for a nice commission.
          I already have my first domain (had it for a few weeks now) and it is setup and ready to roll. All I need are sales people, which is my next project.
          Thanks for the tips. They are certainly very much appreciated.
          Monika
          Hey Monika

          Glad I could help...

          I find all my commission sales guys from craigslist.org and kijiji.com
          I love the internet!!! Anyways, here is the exact listing that I used to find my guys...
          *** Post this listing inside the sales area ***

          Title -
          ****************** TOP TELESALES PRO'S $$$ **************

          Ad -

          OPENING FOR TELESALES PEOPLE - EARN $500 TO $1000 A WEEK.

          THIS IS NOT A COMPLICATED SALE
          YOU WILL NEED A HOME OFFICE - COMPUTER, INTERNET, PHONE (A MUST!)
          WE MARKET WEB APPLICATIONS

          YOU NEED TO HAVE:
          MUST BE CONFIDENT !!!
          STRONG SALES ABILITY
          HIGH ENERGY
          DAY TIME HOURS - (9a.m. - 5p.m)
          THIS IS BUSINESS TO BUSINESS SALES
          ABLE TO DEAL WITH BUSINESS OWNERS

          THIS WILL RESULT IN
          GREAT PAY OFF
          1 TO 2+ SALES PER DAY
          MINIMUM $100 PER SALE

          REPLY WITH RESUME TO THIS POSTING - OR
          CALL 416 *** **** - DIRECT LINE TO OWNER
          PLEASE DO NOT CALL AFTER 7 P.M. EASTERN STANDARD TIME

          Cheers

          Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author joshril
    I am not saying this method doesn't work, but you pointed out that 1 in 15 businesses that take the free offer convert. Assuming use of one phone number per listings, theoretically, one could end up needing 15 unique phone numbers to land a sale.

    Am I missing something?
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by joshril View Post

      I am not saying this method doesn't work, but you pointed out that 1 in 15 businesses that take the free offer convert. Assuming use of one phone number per listings, theoretically, one could end up needing 15 unique phone numbers to land a sale.
      Am I missing something?
      I've used 1 number to setup three listings... The pitch has been reworked and targeted to the audience a bit better... The ratio that I gave was from the beginning of using this method till now. What that means is the sales script has been changed until the right mixture was met to achieve a conversion. Now, the conversions are turning around faster because the process is being improved.

      This item is a lost leader for me. The real benefit comes from the face to face meeting. All, the walls are taken down after the local listing is done for the customer. They listen and are eager to take the next recommendation that I give them. The meeting is setup and I go in with other services such as e-mail marketing and video marketing etc. etc. So, really this is just the beginning of my sales funnel...
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    Great tip - the law of reciprocity in action.

    I'm surprised only 1 in 15 take a FREE offer! Cold call is indeed a tough business - I've done it - but this is tougher than I' would have predicted.

    But the way to give a tip of my own: warn your customer (or potential customer) that'll he/she be getting the call from Google, and that you'll be calling back in an hour to get the code. This way you don't have to use your own phone number.

    It's also to get in touch one more time. Which helps overall. And if a potential customer brushes you off for such a little inconvenience, it's probably those that'll find inconvenient to pay on time as well...
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      Jay,

      Great stuff! Couple questions.

      Where in the sign-up process do you use the keyword you want to rank for? Is it in the business description or business category or where?

      Also, if you use your own phone or your salesman's, can you change it back to the customer's phone number later if they buy from you, or are they stuck with your number?

      Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author joshril
          Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

          Hey Mark...

          Great questions!

          The keyword goes into two spots... When you're filling out the
          companies information in google's local business center they ask you for country, company name, street address etc. etc. Google decides where to place the business based on:

          1. COMPANY NAME
          2. DESCRIPTION

          This is where you place the 'keyword'. In the area for company name and in the description. Do not use the real name of the company in the company name slot only the keyword.

          You have FULL control on the listing and you're able to change anything in there. Once you change the phone number Google will require that you verify the listing again. So, the customer will receive a call from google with the new code. Have the customer write down the code and give it to you. Then complete the process for them.

          Cheers

          Jay
          Isn't this against Google's editorial guidelines?

          Business Listing Quality Guidelines - Maps Help

          Keywords in the description should be fine, but not in the title... unless it's the businesses name.
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          • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
            Originally Posted by joshril View Post

            Isn't this against Google's editorial guidelines?
            Keywords in the description should be fine, but not in the title... unless it's the businesses name.
            Hey Josh,

            This is why the warrior forum is such a great place
            to go over your ideas because you get a solid
            response on all sides of the coin. The only way that
            I know of to rank for other keywords is to place them
            in the company name area. I'll continue to test
            different methods and see what the outcome is.

            cheers

            Jay
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            • Profile picture of the author joshril
              I agree... although this is Google's rule, it looks likes it's being heavily abused. In fact, a large company example of this is Jason's Deli...

              Google... "catering dallas"

              Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

              Hey Josh,

              This is why the warrior forum is such a great place
              to go over your ideas because you get a solid
              response on all sides of the coin. The only way that
              I know of to rank for other keywords is to place them
              in the company name area. I'll continue to test
              different methods and see what the outcome is.

              cheers

              Jay
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              • Profile picture of the author austinjames
                This what we say RESULT! oriented approach.

                thanks for sharing it.
                I am just a bit afraid of 30Hrs result delivery.

                I guess if I am like you. :confused:
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                • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
                  Originally Posted by kevinmarshall80 View Post

                  Oops... looks like I screwed up!
                  I'm sending you a PM - Please check...

                  Originally Posted by iBBnet View Post

                  I need clarification:
                  The short answer... You can setup multiple categories (keywords) in one
                  listing.

                  Originally Posted by austinjames View Post

                  I am just a bit afraid of 30Hrs result delivery.
                  Make sure you setup a couple listings first and watch
                  your results. Just do a couple for free! Your friends, family,
                  business contacts, clients etc. Don't give any time lines until you're
                  confident in the process.

                  Step 1. Setup Map
                  Step 2. Monitor the result
                  Step 3. Now that you understand the process offer the service
                  at a premium. $500 setup and $50 per month maintenance fees

                  Tip - Setup a paypal account! - Setup a subscribe button or send
                  the customer an e-mail. You can automatically debt the customer's
                  account $50, $97 or what ever you want per month for this service. - Set and forget...
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                  • Profile picture of the author tattij
                    Did something happen with Google recently. The business stoped showing up in the local search results for the 2nd and 3rd key word phrase that was listed. It was pulling them up fine just 2 weeks ago. Do you have any idea what could be wrong
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              • Profile picture of the author FredJones
                This is amazing - great job done Jay.
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                • Profile picture of the author skyparc
                  Interesting, thanks you JaySabree, well thought out twist, I am going to give this a go

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              • Profile picture of the author mariahm
                I've been trying out your wonderful idea, but what i've been noticing is that it takes sometimes a little over a week for my listing to show up on google. Am I doing something wrong or is that the norm for everyone?
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                • Profile picture of the author niac7
                  Mariahm, I tried this out on a test subject yesterday and it is already showing up in the category today in less than 24 hours.

                  Have you been contacted with the confirmation code?


                  Also - For EVEYONE else that is trying this strategy. It is a great strategy, but I believe there is a lot of confusion despite the explanation of how it works, so let me try to clarify some things.

                  First off, a lot of people are scared to try it because they don't want to put the Key Word in the Business Name area.

                  Great News, you DO NOT need to put the keyword in the business name area. It is totally unnecessary.

                  You only need to put it in the Categories section.

                  What clued me in was that Jay mentioned using both the DBA spot on the Categories spot for the keywords. Google may read the DBA section also, but it places you based on the category.

                  This should ease a lot of fears.

                  Another thing that I noticed was a lot of people seem to think that a person would need to actually type in "keyword + city or state" in order to see the listing.

                  This is not the case.

                  Go to Google now and type in Bakeries and it will automatically pull up Google Maps for Bakeries in your area. No need to type in the city or state. This is because there are Google Maps businesses with Bakeries in their Categories sections.

                  So, for my test, I took a random bakey business that was already on Google Maps and just changed one of the Category Fields to "Birthday Cakes". I did not touch the Business Name area.

                  This morning, there it was in the Google Maps results for Birthday Cakes. No Google Violations, no need to type in the City, just plain "Birth Cakes" and bam, there it was.

                  I did a search on Google and noticed that not too many people are taking advantage of this great idea. The only area I saw someone advertising to get sales reps was in L.A.

                  Anyway, this is a great idea and it can be done without any violations to Googles TOS whatsoever.

                  Find a high-volume keyword related to the niche that shows no Google Maps listing when you search it.

                  Use Google Insight to drill-down and find out if the search volume in you area is decent for that keyword.

                  Create or Modify a Google Maps listing and put the keyword in one of the Categories and it should show up in less than 24 hours.

                  The great thing about Modifying an unclaimed Google Maps listing that already exists is that you do not need to get a Confirmation Code. This is great for testing, but you would obviously want to claim it once you actually start working with clients so that you can have control over the listing.

                  Hope this helps.

                  I'll definitely be implementing this in my area.

                  Best of Luck.

                  Thanks Jay for the Great Idea
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                  • Profile picture of the author shan beach
                    I have been trying to do this for MY business since the summer and it's not working for me I must be doing something wrong!

                    My business is not too competitive in my hometown but I can't seem to choose the right categories or something. I have a small business consulting firm but none of the words I use EVER bing up my site when searched.

                    I'm stumped!
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                    • Profile picture of the author niac7
                      Originally Posted by shan beach View Post

                      I have been trying to do this for MY business since the summer and it's not working for me I must be doing something wrong!

                      My business is not too competitive in my hometown but I can't seem to choose the right categories or something. I have a small business consulting firm but none of the words I use EVER bing up my site when searched.

                      I'm stumped!
                      Hey Shan,

                      I'm in Atlanta too.

                      I'm using this strategy for a couple of businesses right now. The bakery that I tested was also in Atlanta.

                      Maybe I can help you. We've definitely been having no problem getting people on the 1st page.

                      I did the initial Free Listing for another Warrior last night. It was literally on the first page in about 5 minutes. I'm going to do his other keyword listings for 50% off since he's a warrior.

                      Not sure what you might be overlooking, but I'll contact you and we can figure it out.
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                      • Profile picture of the author niac7
                        Hey Guys,

                        I got a few PMs about this, but unfortunately, I can't send PMs yet.

                        Until then, contact me by going to my profile and putting something on my message board. I'll have to post my response there also, so you'll have to check back for my response.

                        Sorry for the inconvenience.
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              • Profile picture of the author pincpassion
                I like this strategy. Thanks for sharing. I'll try this one of these days...
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                • Profile picture of the author Bob Montgomery
                  I have a suggestion for those people who are concerned about putting geo targeted key words in the business name category for their Google Map page becasue they believe it might be dishonest or unethical.

                  Every state I'm aware of in the US allows a person to conduct business with an "assumed business name" (ABN) sometimes known as "doing business as" (DBA). This is true of an individual operating as a sole proprietor or a business operated as a corporation or LLC.

                  An ABN is acquired by filing the name with the state filing office which is usually the secretary of state in the state where your business is located. Most states charge a small fee for this. If you want to check with the secretary of state to find the details, the following link might be helpful: Secretary of State Filing Offices

                  Once you have filed the ABN you could then legally use that name as your business name. For example, if you owned Bill's Auto Mechanics (not too helpful for your local Google Map page) you file an ABA using some geo targeted words with your city or state like Denver's Best Auto Mechanic or Pittsburg Auto Garage or something like that - you get the idea.

                  I don't know how the powers to be at Google would look at this but I believe they or anyone else would have a difficult time claiming you are somehow dishonest or unethical because you are using a business name that your state legally allows you to use.

                  This might be an option for those having some difficulty with the idea of inserting geo targeted key words for the business name.
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            • Profile picture of the author Frankie D
              Wow my first post!! I just tried this technique,and it went pretty well. Got on the first page of google, but it was on the Maps page not the actual search. I guess my question would be... Will it eventually end up in the actual search on google?
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              • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
                Originally Posted by Frankie D View Post

                Wow my first post!! I just tried this technique,and it went pretty well. Got on the first page of google, but it was on the Maps page not the actual search. I guess my question would be... Will it eventually end up in the actual search on google?
                Hey Frank,

                In short, the answer is no...
                However, this is one of the more powerful
                small business tools that you can find. Take
                advantage of this while it's still fresh and
                relatively new.

                @osas1234
                When you make a dollar or two off this
                let me know.
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                • Profile picture of the author Frankie D
                  Will do! Thanks for the wonderful free info. "Really helped me out on a business I'm starting up"
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            • Profile picture of the author clickbump
              I'm really glad I found this thread. Thanks a ton Jay!

              If anyone wants a print friendly PDF of this thread thus far, it's in my sig under Sabree-Offline-Method.pdf
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              • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
                Originally Posted by clickbump View Post

                I'm really glad I found this thread. Thanks a ton Jay! If anyone wants a print friendly PDF of this thread thus far, it's in my sig under Sabree-Offline-Method.pdf
                No prob!

                128 page PDF file ... Nice!
                Thx for compiling this thread
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            • Profile picture of the author Tina Williams
              WOW! Thanks for taking so much time and effort to write all that out! It IS a great model! I have been combining that with what I have learned from Maria Gudelis in the 14 Day Power Challenge and her Power Apprentice program and really finding this Offline Market to be GREAT!

              This is a great thread with awesome information in it!

              Thank you all!

              @Tina_Williams
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          • Profile picture of the author Flavours
            Awesome idea. Thats a great sales pitch!! I am not very much familiar with such things, but the whole idea impressed me a lot
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by gungnugroho View Post

              it's sound like very easy and quick method
              Hey there,

              This is easy but you need to try it to find out

              Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo View Post

              ETA: UM, WOW. There I am in 7th position on the first page of Google
              Great! Thx for trying this out. Now see if this can make you some
              money!

              Originally Posted by Flavours View Post

              Thats a great sales pitch!!
              Glad you like it. Here's a little tip - I brought on a new telesales
              lady this week. Every morning for one hour 8:30a.m. to 9:30a.m. I do
              training with her. First we go over the pitch together and then at
              9:00 we call a few businesses. I pitch the first company then talk about
              what happened with her next she pitches the second company and
              of course we chat about what happened.

              If you want to keep your 100% commission sales guys working hard
              for you then I suggest doing training like this for 5 to 10 business
              days. That means YOU need to become the expert, FIRST! That's
              only going to happen if you pitch a few businesses and close a
              couple sales.
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          • Profile picture of the author JNFerree
            Originally Posted by joshril View Post

            Isn't this against Google's editorial guidelines?

            Business Listing Quality Guidelines - Maps Help

            Keywords in the description should be fine, but not in the title... unless it's the businesses name.
            For those based in the USA (v. Canada and across the pond) have you any issues with replace the Company Name with the KW in order to get the business listed on page #1 and then once the buyer pays you, you change the company name field from using the KW to their official company name?

            I haven't tested this yet, but I am wondering what will happen (will the page #1 rank go poof) once we replace the KW in the company name field with the legit name of the company (and if this happens) then won't the buyer be upset that we only delivered a temp page #1 rank and not a long term marketing value solution? (or) am I missing a key concept here?
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by JNFerree View Post

              I haven't tested this yet, but I am wondering what will happen (will the page #1 rank go poof) once we replace the KW in the company name field with the legit name of the company (and if this happens) then won't the buyer be upset that we only delivered a temp page #1 rank and not a long term marketing value solution? (or) am I missing a key concept here?
              The objective of this is to create an instant trust factor. This is about
              building a long term business relationship! This is not about being near
              sited and not seeing the whole picture.

              There are no guarantees on SEO! Who would ever guarantee SEO? There
              are to many factors involved. Google could change it's algorithm at any time.
              There goes your rank! You need to have strong onsite optimizing. For
              example title tags, meta description, KW in url etc. etc. This needs to be
              combined with strong off site linking campaigns. Of course, everything
              changes when tough competition enters the market! Your ranking could
              "go proof" at anytime. The Maps can be outflanked with a strong SEO
              campaign. Again, no guarantees that you will keep that position.

              Ok, so lets deal with you concern. Google provides categories to place
              the KW's in. Use the categories and you'll be fine. Test everything out
              on your own business first. Know what is going to happen so that you
              can relay this onto your client.
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          • Profile picture of the author Gclunis
            Hey jay i'd just like to say that I really appreciate you sharing this dynamite strategy with the rest of us. However I have read through the posts and am still a bit confused (i've only been affiliate marketing for about a month so im still pretty new). My question is, you say that you find local businesses by going to google maps and choosing businesses on the 3rd page and up. But then you go on to answer someones question by stating that you are creating a listing for them with the keyword as their title. If they already have a listing how can they claim the second listing? Also once you get past the initial free listing for a keyword that has no competition. When they buy the 3 words in google and the 1 in yahoo and msn for 497. Doesn't that mean that those keywords are tapped out? so after a while wont u lose keywords for specific types of businesses? I understand how to get the keywords, I understand that you want to get keywords with no competition, but once you make the listing around that first keyword, does google automatically rank it first since its the only listing in that category? Sorry if these are common sense questions I am just very new to this concept but it is definitely something I would love to pursue.
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by Gclunis View Post

              If they already have a listing how can they claim the second listing? - Doesn't that mean that those keywords are tapped out?
              Hello there,

              I both welcome and invite your questions.

              I'm not overly concerned with saturation. Within a 45 minute
              drive I have many cities and industries to choose from. And I'm
              also getting referrals into businesses as well. This is a loss leader.
              Meaning, I don't mind doing this service for FREE if need be to get
              my eager foot in the door.

              Ok, now to answer your questions.

              I do not look in the business listings for potential customers. I look
              in the search engines SERPs for my target audience. Many
              times those companies don't have a Map setup. Once they see what
              you can do then asking for the order is less difficult. Use reciprocity
              to benefit your company.

              Secondly, there are so many keywords to choose from and industries
              to look into. Think outside the box and try doing things that you don't
              see others doing at this time.

              The benefit is NOT in the Maps... The benefit is in the long term
              value of that customer.

              I'm only showing a very basic method of getting into the company.
              Then from there you work towards taking over 'all' the company's
              marketing efforts.
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            • Profile picture of the author eshera
              I realize that this has been discussed a bit earlier, but I wanted to ask again about how to "word" asking for the pin number.

              Of course, I can always set up the business using my two lines here, up to a point (maybe 2 or 3 listing) but it would save a step if I set up the listing with THEIR phone number.

              What I am running into is...people seem hesitant to then give me the pin number, one owner mentioning a concern with all the identity theft and scams.

              How are you guys phrasing that point, to keep the emphasis on being on top of google, and that this is a formality?

              Thanks a ton!
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            Cool one, nicely applied practical sense.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimcal
            Hi,
            I put up flyers in WaWa convenience stores in my area and got some accounts.
            Thanks,
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by jimcal View Post

              Hi,
              I put up flyers in WaWa convenience stores in my area and got some accounts.
              Thanks,
              Jim
              Nice! - Keep up the good work
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            • Profile picture of the author Instructor
              Originally Posted by jimcal View Post

              Hi,
              I put up flyers in WaWa convenience stores in my area and got some accounts.
              Thanks,
              Jim
              Great job. Congrats!

              Mind sharing what you said on your flyers?
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            • Profile picture of the author MrYossu
              Originally Posted by jimcal View Post

              Hi,
              I put up flyers in WaWa convenience stores in my area and got some accounts.
              Thanks,
              Jim
              That's excellent. What did you put on the flyers? Anything fancy, or just words?

              I would be interested to know what worked.

              By the way, what is a WaWa store? I'm in the UK and have never heard of them. Just asking in case it makes any difference to the results.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joel O
          Great idea Jay!

          I just have two questions about what you posted...

          Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

          1. COMPANY NAME
          2. DESCRIPTION

          This is where you place the 'keyword'. In the area for company name and in the description. Do not use the real name of the company in the company name slot only the keyword.
          .......

          Such as, tooth extraction new york. There is no other google maps competition on that keyword and the google keyword tool shows over 100,000 searches just last month.

          - I would "assume" Google wouldn't allow business map listing to be posted with keywords as the company name. Aren't they moderated?

          Also... since you didn't use the companies name/info, do the companies trust you to edit it with their info, do some thing it's a scam or something? (or am I just not understanding correctly how this all happens?)

          - You mentioned the keyword "tooth extraction new york".. when I checked, I see it only showing 170 for May. I see 130,000 for "tooth extraction", but that isn't a local search.

          Any added information would be great,

          Thanks!
          Joel
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          • Profile picture of the author joshril
            As I pointed out, I'm not sure about moderation. Blatant keyword spamming in the title would obviously raise some red flags, although the more I dig, the more I see this going on. I would doubt that Google is manually approving these listings, but if someone is more knowledgeable on this, please correct me.


            Originally Posted by Joel O View Post

            Great idea Jay!

            I just have two questions about what you posted...




            - I would "assume" Google wouldn't allow business map listing to be posted with keywords as the company name. Aren't they moderated?

            Also... since you didn't use the companies name/info, do the companies trust you to edit it with their info, do some thing it's a scam or something? (or am I just not understanding correctly how this all happens?)

            - You mentioned the keyword "tooth extraction new york".. when I checked, I see it only showing 170 for May. I see 130,000 for "tooth extraction", but that isn't a local search.

            Any added information would be great,

            Thanks!
            Joel
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by joshril View Post

              As I pointed out, I'm not sure about moderation. Blatant keyword spamming in the title would obviously raise some red flags, although the more I dig, the more I see this going on. I would doubt that Google is manually approving these listings, but if someone is more knowledgeable on this, please correct me.
              I have used the keyword in the title and the description
              as I mentioned before. I have setup countless business
              listings and had no problems doing this. However, I will
              be testing other methods.

              This is clearly a very fresh topic that few others have tested
              and figured out.
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          • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
            Originally Posted by Joel O View Post

            - I would "assume" Google wouldn't allow business map listing to be posted with keywords as the company name. Aren't they moderated?

            Also... since you didn't use the companies name/info, do the companies trust you to edit it with their info, do some thing it's a scam or something? (or am I just not understanding correctly how this all happens?)

            - You mentioned the keyword "tooth extraction new york".. when I checked, I see it only showing 170 for May. I see 130,000 for "tooth extraction", but that isn't a local search.
            Hey Joel,

            Again, the best thing for you to do and setup a listing yourself
            for your business, family business or a friend. This way you'll
            find out how everything works. Google is way ahead of the
            curve with their local business listing. It is not moderated in the
            fashion that you think or assume. This is a FREE service by
            google. Your adwords campaigns are
            moderated by people but this is not the same for all the free
            services that google offers.

            When the business listings is setup remember we contacted
            them straight from their website. The only information in the
            listing that has been incorrect is the phone number and
            business name. When there is only one business on the keyword
            then you'll see the company address phone number etc. etc.
            As for scam? Not sure what you mean by that? This is no
            different then SEO, video marketing, e-mail marketing and any
            other services that the online community offers the brick and
            mortar companies. Businesses will hand
            off the internet services to people like us that know how to
            implement them.

            The keyword on top was a quick example. Find one that you
            feel comfortable marketing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Joel O
              Thanks for the clearification.

              As for "scamming", I don't mean that what you are saying is that, not at all.

              However I'm trying to look from a business owner's view, who will see the free listing you do for them, with their company info, but not their company name. Has anyone asked you why you didn't use their name?

              I'm thinking that some people (due to their lack in knowledge about the Internet and SEO), may wonder why and be hesitant to go forward, thinking... "I dont want my customers to get confused by that or why aren't they using my company name?".

              This idea though is sure interesting, and I will be trying it out.

              Joel

              Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

              Hey Joel,

              As for scam? Not sure what you mean by that? This is no
              different then SEO, video marketing, e-mail marketing and any
              other services that the online community offers the brick and
              mortar companies. Businesses will hand
              off the internet services to people like us that know how to
              implement them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rags2Richs
      Excellent strategy and good way to "take their temperature". I would also tweak the script so that you get in "Why are you calling me?" "What's in it for me?" and do this within the first few seconds of the pitch.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ed Stas
    First, this is complete nonsense! it won't work. Turn away now, nothing to see here!

    Still reading the thread? Damn!

    This is brilliant stuff. Here's my "value-add" and it is for all you phone-aphobics. You don't need to call. Not initially anyway.Take the email calling script content (which is a tad too long) and edit it for email. Then look up BOTH the website "contact us" info AND the whois info and send each contact form and or email the pitch. Make them email or call you.!!!

    Candy. Baby. Taken!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Ed Stas View Post

      This is brilliant stuff. Here's my "value-add" and it is for all you phone-aphobics. You don't need to call. Not initially anyway.Take the email calling script content (which is a tad too long) and edit it for email. Then look up BOTH the website "contact us" info AND the whois info and send each contact form and or email the pitch. Make them email or call you.!!!
      Candy. Baby. Taken!
      Thanks Ed :rolleyes:

      That's very humbling... You're suggestions are great and I've taken note of them and will test and see the outcomes.

      Cheers

      Jay
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    Have to say this is quit innovative and I like it!!!
    I will be doing my own version! ( great Idea).
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  • Profile picture of the author David B.
    Great Idea. Very doable except I'm a total newbie so don't know how to make a website let alone put it in the first page of Google.

    Cane someone help or just read the post in the forums?
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by David B. View Post

      Great Idea. Very doable except I'm a total newbie so don't know how to make a website let alone put it in the first page of Google.
      Cane someone help or just read the post in the forums?
      Hey David...

      Welcome to the forum

      You'll find everything you need to make great money in here...
      As for this money making strategy YOU DO NOT NEED A WEBSITE! Neither does the customer that you're setting up the google maps listing for. So, take a breath of fresh air. Google will still place the company on the keyword without a website. As long as you have a phone number and the address of the company then you're all set. It's that easy. Just take your time and reread this entire thread. Then jump over to google and start making some money.

      Here are a couple local businesses that you could go after

      1. Dentist
      2. Accountants
      3. Hair Dressers
      4. Tanning Salons
      5. Any Type Of Doctor

      That should get you started

      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author ragstworiches
    Hey Jay,

    Great idea, its been a while since I read anything useful on this forum. I'm sure many people will love this one. You should definately turn this thread into a step by step WSO, screenshots etc.

    You deserve to make some money for your idea.

    Phil
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by ragstworiches View Post

      Hey Jay,
      Great idea, its been a while since I read anything useful on this forum. I'm sure many people will love this one. You should definately turn this thread into a step by step WSO, screenshots etc.
      You deserve to make some money for your idea.
      Phil
      Hey thanks Phil...

      This system is really quite easy especially for the people inside this forum.
      I've started making some great pay days once joining this forum. So, why not let everyone join in on the fun. There's just so many businesses out there that if everyone in this forum used this method we would still have plenty of companies to go after.

      cheers

      Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Imran Naseem View Post

      Jay is there any future WSO you are going to launch on this? If so I would be the first to buy.
      Thanks
      Hey Imran...

      I've learned a ton from you so again that's very humbling to read.
      I'm working on a few wso ideas right now but my offline stuff is gaining great momentum. Some of which I can directly blame you for!!! lol I hate when people share inspiring information with me!!!

      cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Rich
    This is a great idea and savvy approach to getting the business. Another option I stumbled on recently was how quickly Google indexes Twitter accounts registered with Twellow.

    Twitter can be a time drainer but there are lots of apps that help with automating the interactive parts that make it a good business tool. It can definitely be a good add-on for the packages you put together for your clients.

    With the widespread press Twitter is getting these days you could use the account as either a premium upgrade or as a free add on to help close the deal.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roger Mayne
    Jay

    Great method you have there. I'm about to get into local business marketing, so will adapt this to my strategy. Thanks for sharing your ideas.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    Hi Jay, great pitch one thing though I have 10 yrs of telemarketing and have all ways mention to the staff that never use questions where there is an out i.e yes/no answer found that out the hard way I am sure you could get the ratio down to 1/8

    Though I am curious how long did it take you to come up with the sales pitch!

    to your success
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by jps2261 View Post

      Hi Jay, great pitch one thing though I have 10 yrs of telemarketing and have all ways mention to the staff that never use questions where there is an out i.e yes/no answer found that out the hard way I am sure you could get the ratio down to 1/8
      Though I am curious how long did it take you to come up with the sales pitch!
      Hey I appreciate your input...

      Once I got to the point in the pitch of asking the
      potential customer which keyword they would like
      me to get them on google's first page for I am yet
      to have anyone back out from that point on. All business
      owners realize the value of Google to their company.
      Remember *** I targeted businesses that already
      had a website - the website was just not on the first
      page of Google.*** The goal of any strong sales
      pitch is to know and deal with the objections before
      the potential customer even thinks of them... This of
      course, is still a work in progress and I will continue
      to test and improve the pitch... This is what I've
      learned from internet marketing. Even once you have
      a process that is generating sales for you best
      practices is to split test and improve the process so
      you can make more sales - more money$$$ - and retire
      rich ... lol

      The pitch was and still is in rough form. However,
      the draft above took about two weeks to mold and
      is quite effective.

      Cheers

      Jay
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      • Profile picture of the author plester
        Hi Jay,

        This sounds like a Great Strategy!

        Thanks for sharing

        Please help me clarify something though,you pick a company that has a website but is on page 3 or 4 on google,and then you list them on google's local business section using keywords that have a lot of searches but little competition.

        i'm curious as to how using the external keyword tool you can determine that info on a local level,how do you find a good keyword to use for say "new york style pizza" business located in tampa florida?

        also,when you find the right keywords based on search volume and competition how does that local business listing keyword help their placement on google's main listings pages go from page 3 or 4 to page 1?

        please help me to understand a little better how that process works.

        Thanks,

        Paul
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    • Profile picture of the author abrandt
      Originally Posted by Jason P Syron View Post

      ... I have 10 yrs of telemarketing and have always mention to the staff that never use questions where there is an out i.e yes/no answer found that out the hard way I am sure you could get the ratio down to 1/8...
      What a wonderful thread! Thank you, Jay!

      Jason. Thank you. IMPORTANT point!

      It's always a good idea to try to frame questions by accenting the benefits that can create a new vision of possibilities:
      wrong question: Would this be of interest to you? ... or... Do you think this be of interest to you?

      right question: What kind of impact do you think having 1st page ranking could have on your business every month?
      Hope this proves helpful.

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  • Profile picture of the author sarafina
    This is the greatest offline related free idea I have heard of. I would have never thought of this but great way to make money and more importantly, get yourself in front of a potential offline client. Looking forward to any WSO you may offer.

    Also, hope you don`t mind sharing the accountants with me as i`m in Toronto too!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by sarafina View Post

      This is the greatest offline related free idea I have heard of. I would have never thought of this but great way to make money and more importantly, get yourself in front of a potential offline client. Looking forward to any WSO you may offer.
      Also, hope you don`t mind sharing the accountants with me as i`m in Toronto too!
      Oh no, the Torontians are just coming out of the wood works ... OK, erase this thread!!! Please someone get this stuff taken off the forum!!! lol

      Ok, all kidding aside... Any GTA people out there that would like to partner up with me or need help getting off the ground feel free to PM me...

      Looking forward to chatting...

      Cheers

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  • Profile picture of the author deesangels
    The primary reason I like this so much is the PROOF. No convincing (or telling/sharing with) a prospect that your service is the 'latest and the greatest'. That's because that's how I like to buy.

    Fantastic
    Thanks,
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  • Profile picture of the author joshril
    I'm in total agreement that you should make the business owner take the call from Google and provide you with the code. If they are not willing to do this, they are probably not a great prospect anyway...
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    • Profile picture of the author Izesta
      I am in the midst of working on something similar.

      Good business model AND a service the business really needs.
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    • Profile picture of the author stayfocused
      Just got done reading this thread and doing some research on it.

      Let me make sure I am getting this right because I can't find any workable keywords to use.

      We are looking for keywords that don't have any local business results at all? correct?

      And that are geo targeted (to the city)?

      I have been using google keyword tool and the 2 cities around me with accountants and dentists and I can't find any geo targeted keywords that I could use that don't already have a local business results.

      The only thing I could find that is remotely close are keywords that get 0 searches a month.

      Am I missing something here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe118
        It's OK if there's other business results for your keywords. What you want to see is that none of these businesses bothered to obtain a google maps listing. Then you're home free

        Originally Posted by stayfocused View Post

        Just got done reading this thread and doing some research on it.

        Let me make sure I am getting this right because I can't find any workable keywords to use.

        We are looking for keywords that don't have any local business results at all? correct?

        And that are geo targeted (to the city)?

        I have been using google keyword tool and the 2 cities around me with accountants and dentists and I can't find any geo targeted keywords that I could use that don't already have a local business results.

        The only thing I could find that is remotely close are keywords that get 0 searches a month.

        Am I missing something here?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Linley
      Nice Method!..I have been looking for the easiest way to get into offline marketing..and I dont have a lot of online skills yet..but I believe I can do this..and work my way up to bigger deals and try outsourcing the bigger work..my only problem is sounding like I know what I am doing..but I will try it and let you guys know the results! thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by joshril View Post

      I'm in total agreement that you should make the business owner take the call from Google and provide you with the code. If they are not willing to do this, they are probably not a great prospect anyway...
      I also agree with this.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
      Hi Jay,

      Thank you for sharing your innovative ideas to make money offline using the internet marketing methods.

      I am sure that this method will also work for companies in Asia

      Zack
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    • Profile picture of the author gianne2705
      You are amazing Jay.You inspires me with this new ideas.Thousands of dollars in a week is very nice to hear.Thanks for sharing how you made it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robert Boduch
      This is brilliant Jay! Way to go in putting this strategy into action and then sharing it with everyone here. Awesome.

      Now I'd like to suggest slight twist. This is for people like me who don't like soliciting business by phone. Instead of calling prospects up out of the blue, true lead-generating advertising instead.

      I'm talking about using simple things like classified ads and direct mail.

      Jeff Paul is one famous example of lead generation mastery. He used simple postcards with compelling messages and strong offers. Nothing fancy here. Just colorful card stock with a grabber of a headline and an irresistible offer. The headline is the key. It's got to reach out to prospects and seize their attention because of its relevance and promise.

      The key is... you need to know your audience. Then craft some free reports that prove useful value in specific areas. So far, I've got about 20 different special reports that I use for various business-building purposes.

      Small ads can work too. I gained one new client for my business from a tiny ad in the Toronto Star and this client has stayed with me for the past 9 years, turning a tiny $50 investment into many thousands of dollars of business. The challenge with traditional classifieds is getting enough firepower into your ad to get people to call you.

      Choosing a particular industry and "specializing" there can make you somewhat of an authority. The first thing to do is to identify what your audience really wants on an emotional level and then give them a taste of exactly what they want. That's the value of a lead-generating offer.

      Yes, they want top listings in Google... but why? What will it mean to them? More exposure and sales? Increased profits without any more work? Greater income and growth? And what will those results mean on a deeper emotional level? Success. Freedom. Recognition. Being care-free and enjoying a life of leisure. Travel. More time for friends and family. All of these and more appeal to many small business owners. If you can pin it down to a single, dominant desire, you know what to hot button to push. What you want to do is connect this highly-desired end result to the services you provide.

      I love the lead-generation approach for several reasons:

      1. You can target any audience you want in whatever quantity you decide. (You can do this on practically any budget)
      2. It's less offensive than telemarketing to most.
      3. It gets true prospects to contact you. (So you get to deal with leads rather than suspects)
      4. You can position yourself as an expert serving a particular industry and convey important information about how your services are a good fit.
      5. You give something of value first. (free report, interview, case study, etc)
      6. As you gain clients in one industry, you can use their feedback to build even more authority in that industry.

      These methods do work. If you like Jay's strategy, but you're not comfortable using the phone, try the lead-generation approach.

      Robert
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      • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
        Originally Posted by Robert Boduch View Post

        I'm talking about using simple things like classified ads and direct mail.
        Robert
        Hey Robert,

        I fully agree that there are many ways to approach the offline
        arena. I use a wide array of methods. My business model uses
        phone, direct mail, classified ads etc. etc. Here is a thread post
        that I highly recommend by David Preston...

        Here's A Stupidly Simple Way To Generate "Emergency" Cash NOW!

        This is very easy to do and can generate at least $1,000-$1,500 within the next few days!

        First, you need to find some local business owners who need what you're about to offer them here. No, you won't be pounding
        the pavement or cold calling anyone....they will be calling YOU.

        You can use a couple of methods to find these clients.

        1. You can simply go to the phone book and look up businesses in your local area. Write down any business that you want. You will
        use that list to check the internet in a minute or two, so keep it handy.

        2. OR you get an in depth "drill down" listing from GoLeads which will give you tons of information on all businesses in ANY geographic area. Cost is about $15 for unlimited access. :-)

        Once you have your list, about 20-25 is all you need to start. Look them up on the internet to see if they have a website. For this particular deal you want them to have a website. (If they don't have a site yet, we can deal with that later.)

        Once you have a few of the websites, visit them. Here's what you're looking for: Any business site that does not have a capture
        mechanism installed on their FRONT page.

        In other words, they need to have an autoresponder opt in form on their front page. If they don't....you're in for some quick cash.

        When you have about 10-15 "prospects" send them this letter:

        ************************************************** *
        Mr./Ms. ___________

        My name is ______________ and I am a local e-commerce business consultant.

        I know your time is valuable, as is mine so I'll get right to the point. If I could show you an unused asset that you ALREADY
        have that could make you thousands of dollars, would you be willing to speak with me for 15 minutes?

        This free consultation can save you as much as 50% off your entire monthly advertising budget AND bring you brand new customers at the same time! The best part is that you already have it, so the cost to implement this marketing weapon is minimal.

        Please call me at 416 *** **** at your earliest convenience to schedule a free "no strings" consultation. I promise you, it will be worth your time.

        To Your Success,
        Jay Sabree

        Internet Marketing Expert

        416 *** ****
        ************************************************** ***
        That's it! Believe me when I say that your phone will ring off the hook. DO NOT mass mail that letter! You really only need to mail
        25-30 per week and you'll be busy.

        Now that you have the clients calling you, the next step is to set a consultation appointment and meet them. The unused asset they have is of course their website which has no list building capabilities.

        The "money is in the list" applies to ALL businesses, not just online marketers. By building a proper list they can cut their
        advertising dollars at least in half. Just send a customer blast about an upcoming sale instead of paying $4,000 for a half page ad.

        You follow me here? All you have to do is set up an autoresponder opt in form on their existing site! That's it.

        I have coaching students who are making $250-$500 a deal with just this method. It's very easy to generate 4, 5 or even 6 deals
        per week this way. Heck, it only takes about 20-30 minutes to put the form on their site and that's if you're slow!

        I usually visit their site, right click and select "view source" and save it in notepad. Then I open the notepad in an html editor and install the form. (I use Trellian pagebuilder, which is free and allows me to preview the finished site.) Once I'm done I save it as, "theirsitename.html" send it to their programmer and they can swap it. (I charge $50 if I have to load it.)

        You can use your autoresponder account or let them get an aweber account with your affiliate link of course. If you use your account then you control their list. In either case this usually leads to "who is going to write the emails" which is another monetization chapter for later....

        Just so you know, almost half of all the sites I look at fall into the category of no capture system. It may be more or less where you
        live, but it's a rampant problem.... everywhere. Why? Because they simply don't understand e-commerce.

        By the way, GoLeads will also give you the name of the business owner, number of employees, etc. Do your first one the hard way if you have to, but it's worth the $15 to be able to put their name on the letter.

        Response rates will triple if you use their name and this little trick.

        Stamp "CONFIDENTIAL" in red block letters on the front of the envelope. This will make them put your letter in the "open later"
        pile instead of straight into the trash. It's a simple but effective strategy especially if you use their name. You can get a confidential stamp at Staples for $5. I've used the same one for years.

        Keep this in mind. People sort their mail while standing over the trash can. You do it, so you know it's true. You have to have
        something that stands out and says, "This might be important, I'll look at it later."

        *NOTE*
        Change their cash register and credit card terminal receipt to read, "For Preferred Customer Discounts Sign Up At: (their
        website) There is a toll free number on the side of every register and terminal for support. Just call them and they will walk you through changing it. It only takes about 10 minutes.

        This strategy is awesome because it does two major jobs when it comes to marketing.

        1. It captures all their current customers because everybody reads their receipt, and everybody wants to be a preferred customer to get discounts. It also captures all walk in traffic that actually BUY something. Which leads us to:

        2. A list of nothing but BUYERS of their product. No tirekickers or browsers, buyers only! You may need to clarify to them exactly why that's so powerful.
        Now you've made a client for life and there are tons of other methods to help them, and generate a great living for you as well.

        I've just shared a tested, proven method to generate some serious emergency money FAST! Just copy and paste the direct
        mail letter and get to work.

        You can do this.

        I told you it was stupidly simple, and it works because it really is helping them, and that's what it's all about.

        Make it a great marketing day,

        David Preston
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        • Profile picture of the author dv8
          Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post


          2. OR you get an in depth "drill down" listing from GoLeads which will give you tons of information on all businesses in ANY geographic area. Cost is about $15 for unlimited access. :-)

          That's it! Believe me when I say that your phone will ring off the hook. DO NOT mass mail that letter!
          Did I miss it or something? I went to GoLeads.com and I saw prices that were nowhere close to $15 for unlimited access.

          And I mailed his letter before. Mailed 44 of them, not one response. Never followed up though. Also emailed about another 30 businesses, same thing, no business from it. But I may give this another go around as I do believe it is powerful.


          Also, I know it has been mentioned in this thread. But perhaps I missed the fine details, you guys are knowingly doing the Google Maps with keywords thing even though it's against their TOS? I'd have a hard time doing this for a local business knowing it's against Google's tos and their listing may disappear at any moment. Doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
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          • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
            Originally Posted by dv8 View Post

            Doesn't seem like the right thing to do.
            Yes, it does seem like the right thing to do ... Hopefully, you've
            read the many, many times that I've cautioned the readers to stay
            as close as they can to google's current rules. Bare in mind that
            these same rules can and likely will change at anytime!

            Two weeks ago I sent out 45 of David's Letters. I received '1'
            response. In our face to face meeting I talked about relationship
            marketing through e-mail and video marketing. We then jumped
            on the net and he already had a gmail account so I showed him
            how to claim his local listing. After that he asked me if we start the
            project mid next week how long until he starts to see results? I'm
            calling on monday to find out his decision. There is a great payday
            waiting for me if I do.

            BTW: 45 of David's letter sent. 1 called - followed up with 20 others
            from that mailing. 3 other appointments attended. Hence, so far
            4 total appointments from that mailing but no cheques yet!

            However, 'THE MONEY IS IN THE FOLLOW UP'!
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
    Hey Josh...

    Great Points...

    I haven't been doing SEO for that long but I'm not
    aware of any other method that is almost
    guaranteed to get your company on the first page
    of Google in 24 hours or less... Every single time!!!

    This is still pretty new and very few people are taking
    full advantage of this method. You're also able to
    track the amount of impressions and click thoughs...
    This is a value add for the company that you can provide
    to let them know how well the placement is doing

    regards,

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author pioneer
      Hello,
      I am not familiar with google keywords.:confused:Could anybody help me introducing with it? I wanna know what is it and how is its uses. Plz help me. I will happily accept your assistance.

      Regards,
      Pioneer
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  • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
    Hi Jay!

    Nice post. A new business model I can try. Actually I have an offline client meeting next month and I will propose this with them.

    I haven't tried registering local business to google maps before so I would like to ask some questions.

    1. With your process, If I register a business, will I be sure they'll be no. 1?

    2. When google calls for verification, what do they usually ask clients? I don't want to use dummy people confirming google's call. Somehow I feel this is a form of fraud if the ones confirming a local business registration is not really the business owners.

    This information will help..Hope you can reply.

    oMar
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

      Hi Jay!
      Nice post. A new business model I can try. Actually I have an offline client meeting next month and I will propose this with them.
      I haven't tried registering local business to google maps before so I would like to ask some questions.
      1. With your process, If I register a business, will I be sure they'll be no. 1?
      2. When google calls for verification, what do they usually ask clients? I don't want to use dummy people confirming google's call. Somehow I feel this is a form of fraud if the ones confirming a local business registration is not really the business owners.
      This information will help..Hope you can reply.
      oMar
      Hey Omar...

      The best thing for you to do is setup a listing for yourself,
      family business or a friend. Go through all the steps outlined
      in the thread and you'll see time and time again how effective
      the system is...

      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author OSContent
    This isn't something I'll personally end up using (just because I'm already occupied with my current projects), but this is phenomenal free advice--especially for people who aren't having any luck with their current online business. Even if you can't or won't use this particular opportunity, it's an excellent example of an organized, realistic, resourceful, scalable, long-term business plan. It starts with a product, a pitch, and a means to consistently find new clients; and then it eventually results in your having to hire people, as your business expands.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mollysbrother
    Excellent post. Merging online know-how with offline strategies has been a proven money maker for me for some time. I am glad to see that--every once in a while--people return to share their "wealth" (of money, of knowledge, of experience) with this tactic.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      @Mollysbrother and @OSContent

      Thanks for the kudos... More to come but
      just looking to see if this very simple method
      can help out a few of my peers...

      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author tcg6
    Thanks , Im gonna try to put it to work. My towns not very populated though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    This stuff is worth its weight in gold!

    Take my hat off to you.

    Well Done!

    Brian

    p.s sent you a pm
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Topgunb View Post

      This stuff is worth its weight in gold!
      Take my hat off to you.
      Well Done!
      Brian
      p.s sent you a pm
      Hey Brian,

      Well since it's all digital than I guess there's no
      real weight... Maybe, it's worth the weight of
      my lab top lol ... Thats an ok starter

      I'll go read your PM and anyone that has questions
      or needs help can PM me and I'll get back to you
      ASAP...

      Cheers

      Jay
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  • Profile picture of the author oleskool
    Thanks for sharing.

    There is so much information on how to start in the offline market arena sometimes you wonder what really works.
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    Are you tried of the make money lies. This is the answer http://forms.aweber.com/form/48/107363348.htm

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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Hey guys,

      I'm a big believer in having the right mindset. Personal
      development is key to all entrepreneurs success.

      You need to take one niche and make it work. I started out with
      very little knowledge of offline marketing and have been working on
      many different tactics to be successful in the offline arena. I've failed
      time and time again but that hasn't stopped me. In my humble opinion,
      the difference between an opportunity seeker and an entrepreneur is
      mindset.

      An opportunity seeker: I believe this is someone that is looking to
      win the lottery. They're not willing to work for their dreams and
      goals. They want everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
      If something does not work the first time or right away then they feel
      frustrated and many times give up.

      The entrepreneur: I believe an entrepreneur is someone that stops
      blaming other people, situations or objects for the outcome of each
      huddle or setback they find. This is someone that takes complete
      responsibility for everything. There's little to no complaining just
      problem solving and actions. They close all their back doors and
      have total focus. The only option is success.

      So, which one are you?

      If you're new to the forum please read this thread...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-warriors.html
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      • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
        Wow! I just learned something NEW!!! I knew I could push "quote" to add that to my response but did not know how to do a partial quote. He*k, I thought, let's try "copy" and then "Quote" and I just did and it worked!

        Shows you, step out of the box and just go for it, it might just work !

        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        Hey guys,

        I'm a big believer in having the right mind set. Personal
        development is key to all entrepreneurs success.

        You need to take one niche and make it work. I started out with
        very little knowledge of offline marketing and have been working on
        many different tactics to be successful in the offline arena. I've failed
        time and time again but that hasn't stopped me. In my humble opinion,
        the difference because an opportunity seeker and an entrepreneur is
        mind set.

        An opportunity seeker: I believe this is someone that is looking to
        win the lottery. They're not willing to work for their dreams and
        goals. They want everything to be handed to them on a silver platter.
        If something does not work the first time or right away then they feel
        frustrated and many times give up.

        The entrepreneur: I believe an entrepreneur is someone that stops
        blaming other people, situations or objects for the outcome of each
        huddle or setback they find. This is someone that takes complete
        responsibility for everything. There's little to no complaining just
        problem solving and actions. They close all their back doors and
        have total focus. The only option is success.

        So, which one are you?

        If you're new to the forum please read this thread...

        http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-warriors.html
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        • Profile picture of the author Vikuna2009+
          It's like, eating shrimp with a shrimp sauce, how many of you have actually mixed the shrimp sauce with anything else? BTW, do not buy the pre-cooked ones, they slack. Buy tail-on frozen, let it boil up to the brim 3 times, then rinse in cool water and peel.

          Mix it with horseradish (gosh, did that put me on another planet , hummus and garlic added to it (to die for).

          No, this is not turning into a food blog or thread, my thinking is just, do it, experiment and share your discoveries with your fellow warriors.

          After all, give and you shall receive . Anybody specializing in seafood....
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          • Profile picture of the author MarkR
            Are you manually changing any of the categories in your listings to make them more relavent to the phrase you are optimizing for?
            Yes. I accept some of the default categories initially, then change them over time as I discover higher searched terms that describe my business.

            I also try to use a term like "social marketing consultant" so I get the value of "social marketing consultant", and also "Marketing consultant".

            I tell customers that based on my experience (which I show them screen shots or in real time-no arguments that way!) that I am "confident" that I can get them on page one for two terms. But Google has the final say, so I can't promise anything. Then I tell them I've never failed to get on page one. Then I blow them away when I'm done and show them 5-10 or more terms they rank first page for.

            Easy steps....
            1) Under promise
            2) Over deliver
            3) Collect check
            4) Sell the next service.

            The selling process is harder than performing the work, for sure.

            You guys are going to make me run out of Gold nuggets pretty soon!

            Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author GFox
    Jay,
    this is an excellent idea, and the way that you approached it, by giving something of value for free, totally removes the usual hesitation and resistance that people have when they feel like they are being "sold" something. No sales experience required. So nice of you to share.

    Much success to you!
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  • Profile picture of the author selcor
    do you offer to do any social marketing or web 2.0 marketing for them at all to get them ranking pages with that too?
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      I agree... although this is Google's rule, it looks likes it's being heavily abused. In fact, a large company example of this is Jason's Deli...

      Google... "catering dallas"
      If Jason's deli is causing you pain, you can always report them on the Business Listing Quality Guidelines - Maps Help page you referenced. They are definitely abusing the system!

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author joshril
        Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

        If Jason's deli is causing you pain, you can always report them on the Business Listing Quality Guidelines - Maps Help page you referenced. They are definitely abusing the system!

        Mark
        I definitely wonder if Google enforces this... I would also wonder if Google catches you abusing the business listings if they will in turn penalize the site it's linking to.
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkR
        selcor,

        I don't believe Web 2.0/social marketing will help their Google Local listing rank any higher. I think the ranking is solely based on the business name, description and business categories. Which makes this super easy to make work.

        I have been researching my own website design/Internet Marketing company's listing on Google Local for the last two months and I'm listed number one for 12 keywords + my city + state. Five of those 12 keywords appear nowhere on my site and have no inbound links either. Three of them are only referenced in my business category on Google Local. That's enough proof for me!

        This is a great way to spend 30 minutes of your time (building a Google LBC listing) and getting hundreds of dollars for the work. And it has the proof built-in with the new reporting features.

        Remember, you're not charging hundreds of dollars for creating the listing. You're charging for keyword research, knowing the right way to set up the listing, understanding the process, saving the business owner the time and effort, etc. etc.

        For example. I live in a tiny town, so searches with my city name are very small. But if you look at this, where else (with 20-30 minutes of work) can you get 150 impressions/month (1,800/year) and 9 clicks/month (108/year)? And that's not even a real optimized listing yet. Imagine if you lived in a bigger city or had better keywords!



        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author MarkR
          joshril,

          Obviously they're are not doing a good job of enforcement if they are .

          As sophisticated as they are, I'd doubt they'd take out the site you're pointing to. But after all, it is their search engine! And they are Google.

          Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author joshril
          Excellent point. Even in competitive business types, many don't properly optimize their listings. As mentioned by Mark, the description and categories are crucial. Most business owners simply post the basic information and have no clue about keyword research.



          Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

          selcor,

          I don't believe Web 2.0/social marketing will help their Google Local listing rank any higher. I think the ranking is solely based on the business name, description and business categories. Which makes this super easy to make work.

          I have been researching my own website design/Internet Marketing company's listing on Google Local for the last two months and I'm listed number one for 12 keywords + my city + state. Five of those 12 keywords appear nowhere on my site and have no inbound links either. Three of them are only referenced in my business category on Google Local. That's enough proof for me!

          This is a great way to spend 30 minutes of your time (building a Google LBC listing) and getting hundreds of dollars for the work. And it has the proof built-in with the new reporting features.

          Remember, you're not charging hundreds of dollars for creating the listing. You're charging for keyword research, knowing the right way to set up the listing, understanding the process, saving the business owner the time and effort, etc. etc.

          For example. I live in a tiny town, so searches with my city name are very small. But if you look at this, where else (with 20-30 minutes of work) can you get 150 impressions/month (1,800/year) and 9 clicks/month (108/year)? And that's not even a real optimized listing yet. Imagine if you lived in a bigger city or had better keywords!



          Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author Oje
          MarkR,

          How do you get your business to rank for the keywords you want on the local listings section? I know you can choose categories. But how do you list for the keywords as well?

          Finally ,(for now), how do you get your listing ot show up for a neighbour city which has no listing at present?

          Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by selcor View Post

      do you offer to do any social marketing or web 2.0 marketing for them at all to get them ranking pages with that too?
      Hey there...

      When I sit down with the client I've always planned out
      3 different strategies that they can use to improve their
      online reach and penetrate their industry deeper. Yes,
      social media and web 2.0 are part of my overall
      recommendations
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  • Profile picture of the author MavisAA
    Thanks Jay - This is all very new to me but it looks good. I'm not 100% clear on how you achieve the No 1 listing for your selected keyword. I will follow the steps set out in your posts throughout the thread using my own business and come back with any questions I'm not sure about. I hope that's okay?!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by MavisAA View Post

      Thanks Jay - This is all very new to me but it looks good. I'm not 100% clear on how you achieve the No 1 listing for your selected keyword. I will follow the steps set out in your posts throughout the thread using my own business and come back with any questions I'm not sure about. I hope that's okay?!
      Please do... Watch the video at the bottom of my primary
      post and you'll do fine
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      • Profile picture of the author Oje
        Hi Jay,
        Please pardon my question. Is this achievable for a complete IM newbie as well? If I'm correct you said this listing method is free? Does this apply to those in the UK as well?
        And finally, for now, how soon do you start reaping the rewards of your effort?
        Thanks for your time and patience

        Oje
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          Originally Posted by Oje View Post

          Hi Jay,
          Please pardon my question. Is this achievable for a complete IM newbie as well? If I'm correct you said this listing method is free? Does this apply to those in the UK as well?
          And finally, for now, how soon do you start reaping the rewards of your effort?
          Thanks for your time and patience

          Oje
          This is actually *easier* than most other methods, for total newbies. Follow Jay's script, find a niche you like, and go with it. Failure is part of the eventual success, because each failure is an opportunity to improve and climb up that success hill
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  • Profile picture of the author Hasan Barbary
    Thanks for the detailed info, Jay. The timing is perfect because I've been recently thinking about "small business search marketing", and you seem to have it down pat.
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    • Profile picture of the author joshril
      The stats that are provided are awesome! It's amazing how much meaningful data one can gather from a free service such as this...

      Originally Posted by jpaduchak View Post

      Jay,

      This is a great strategy. I've been doing this for our own local businesses and for a few friends. Even better for the customer is that google now has added keyword stats to the listings. This makes it even more valuable to the end client. I never considered taking it to the next step and make a local business service from this.

      Thanks for all the great tips.

      John Paduchak
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      • Profile picture of the author takingaction
        While this seems to be a very effective method, it should be made clear that this is a "blackhat" method as it clearly violates the following guidelines from Google (http://maps.google.com/support/bin/a...nswer=107528):

        Represent your business exactly as it appears in the offline world. The name on Google Maps should match the business name, as should the address, phone number and website.

        Do not attempt to manipulate search results by adding extraneous keywords into the title field, and do not include phone numbers or URLs in the title along with your proper business name.
        Also, how do you get a company to show up for multiple keywords? Wouldn't that involve creating multiple listings?

        Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author MarkR
        stayfocusedstayfocusedstayfocused,

        No. You're looking for "local business results" with less than 10 listings, or only a few listed, or less than 10 from Orlando listed. So, type in dentists orlando fl. If any of the above criteria are met, then this is a good business category (Dentists) to target and means you can get ranked in the first 10 real easy. "Dentist" or "tooth extraction" or "root canal" are your keywords.

        You'll find that "dry cleaners" or other categories that are less savvy and do less marketing are the easiest to rank well for.

        But, you'll find that Dentists, Attorneys, Apartment Owners, Doctors and such that have a high lifetime value placed on new customers are more willing to pay hundreds of dollars to get on the first page of Google. So, that's who I target.

        Ask yourself how many loads of laundry and new customers a dry cleaner has to get to pay for hundreds of dollars of Internet Marketing? Whereas, one root canal or one apartment renter paid for your service many, many times over!

        Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author joshril
          Good tips... Accountants, plumbers, auto repair, HVAC, etc. can also be solid. As Mark mentioned, going after businesses that have mid to high priced products and services typically work out well.

          Adwords keyword tool is definitely your friend when doing this...
          Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

          stayfocusedstayfocusedstayfocused,

          No. You're looking for "local business results" with less than 10 listings, or only a few listed, or less than 10 from Orlando listed. So, type in dentists orlando fl. If any of the above criteria are met, then this is a good business category (Dentists) to target and means you can get ranked in the first 10 real easy. "Dentist" or "tooth extraction" or "root canal" are your keywords.

          You'll find that "dry cleaners" or other categories that are less savvy and do less marketing are the easiest to rank well for.

          But, you'll find that Dentists, Attorneys, Apartment Owners, Doctors and such that have a high lifetime value placed on new customers are more willing to pay hundreds of dollars to get on the first page of Google. So, that's who I target.

          Ask yourself how many loads of laundry and new customers a dry cleaner has to get to pay for hundreds of dollars of Internet Marketing? Whereas, one root canal or one apartment renter paid for your service many, many times over!

          Mark
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        • Profile picture of the author MarkR
          takingaction,

          I personally don't change the name of the business, so I'm not breaking rules there. I also get approval (email) from the business owner to set his listing up for him, so I'm covered there.

          Again, the multiple keywords are derived from the business category and description parts of the listing. Nothing blackhat there either.

          Mark
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          • Profile picture of the author joshril
            Are you manually changing any of the categories in your listings to make them more relavent to the phrase you are optimizing for? I have had some success with this...

            Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

            takingaction,

            I personally don't change the name of the business, so I'm not breaking rules there. I also get approval (email) from the business owner to set his listing up for him, so I'm covered there.

            Again, the multiple keywords are derived from the business category and description parts of the listing. Nothing blackhat there either.

            Mark
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          • Profile picture of the author takingaction
            Hi Mark,

            I don't want to make a big deal about this since Google doesn't seem to be monitoring it too much, but the rules are being "broken". I understand that you are not making changes to the business name.

            However, if you are putting your keyword phrase into the business name field, then you are clearly violating the following:

            The name on Google Maps should match the business name
            and this:

            Do not attempt to manipulate search results by adding extraneous keywords into the title field
            I think what you and Jay are doing is clever and successful, but let's at least call it what it is: blackhat.

            ...that is unless I misread Jay's post and the keyword phrase is NOT being used as the business name instead of the actual business name.

            This is how Jay explains the technique:

            The keyword goes into two spots... When you're filling out the
            companies information in google's local business center they ask you for country, company name, street address etc. etc. Google decides where to place the business based on:

            1. COMPANY NAME
            2. DESCRIPTION

            This is where you place the 'keyword'. In the area for company name and in the description. Do not use the real name of the company in the company name slot only the keyword.
            Please read the last sentence of that quote for 100% clarification.

            Let's say Google cracked down on this a month from now. If I was a business owner and Google warned me about my listing, I'd be pretty annoyed at the person I just paid $497 to get me listed "incorrectly" on page one of Google. This scenario, though far fetched, is worth mentioning to those reading so that they are ready for possible consequences.





            Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

            takingaction,

            I personally don't change the name of the business, so I'm not breaking rules there. I also get approval (email) from the business owner to set his listing up for him, so I'm covered there.

            Again, the multiple keywords are derived from the business category and description parts of the listing. Nothing blackhat there either.

            Mark
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            • Profile picture of the author Jimnopks
              Takingaction,

              If you are that worried about it, as soon as the customer pays you, you could buy the domain "ToothExtractionYourCity.com for $8, which with a little seo would also show up on the first page. There is no law that says your business cannot have more than one name (not that I know of).

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  • Profile picture of the author bagheera101
    Very interesting technique. I'm a phone-a-phobic person (hmm, reminds me of phone-a-psychic a little too much...) and the suggestion offered on how to turn it into an email-based pitch seems quite interesting!

    I'm in the GTA as well and would like to get off the ground, but I can't PM you 'til I get another few posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    I thought at first it was a very good idea. Now I think it's a GREAT idea as it's so damn simple and easy to implement. I was already doing this (putting local businesses in Google Local) as part of the overall process. You make it the whole process, and it works. Amazingly simple and effective. Congrats and thanks again for sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
    This is a great technique.

    I have never heard about it.

    Cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author jsherloc
    Yes, takingaction is correct.

    Jay, It is truly an awesome idea that not only works, but works CONSISTENTLY. However, it is still against Google TOS.

    While I have no personal experience in doing what you described (keyword rich business name), I remember reading a forum post about a guy that did that for his web design firm. It worked great and he even got some calls within the week. However, like a month down the line he saw a review was posted:

    It said something like "Don't do business with this person! He is blatantly breaking Google's rules, etc"

    Now OBVIOUSLY that is wayyyyy extreme, and more or less due to the nature of that industry - web design. A dentist probably isn't going to post some review and make a complaint because they and most other business owners may not know it is against Google's TOS.

    Once again, I do not want to strike this method down or anything, but if you are dealing with other businesses I would play it safe all the way. Truthfully, you could probably get away with it for a LONG time, but eventually they might clamp down on this.

    The other horrible thing I was thinking about was I'd imagine that some less-techy biz owners probably see other businesses, especially their direct competition, doing this. Then they might go and change their name listings to some keyword term as well. I literally just learned about this, so I highly doubt a regular business owner knows whats up with Google TOS.

    This could actually be a HUGE problem for Google AND biz owners in the long run....

    Once again Jay, no disrespect because you are obviously a gifted and creative guy with the best of intentions for these businesses. Google really needs to make it more clear themselves, especially if internet marketers are just now realizing this matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmyKay
    I want to try this for my hubby's company, which is based in lansing, but sells stuff around the country. But this is a LOCAL listing, right? So the company will only show up if they enter "Lansing MI" along with the keywords. Am I understanding this correctly?

    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by AmyKay View Post

      I want to try this for my hubby's company, which is based in lansing, but sells stuff around the country. But this is a LOCAL listing, right? So the company will only show up if they enter "Lansing MI" along with the keywords. Am I understanding this correctly?
      Thanks!
      Yes Amy,

      You're absolutely right
      This is for your local geographic area. Don't forget that you can also
      setup Yahoo and MSN local business listings.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
        It's for local searches, but doesn't Google pretty much give us local results in most searches? I mean, when I put "dentists" in Google, I get a local dentists listing in there along with broader search results. Is that right?

        Let say you put a local chiropractor in "back pain" or any such great keyword without a Google Map listing showing up, if a browser from the chiro's area searches on Google for back pain, won't that result pop up?

        If yes, that is mighty powerful! At least till that tip spreads to the mainstream and everyone is doing it, or Google cracks down on it, but that could be months or a few years down the road. And who says any kind of SEO results are to be permanent? Your client gets your money's worth IMO.
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        • Profile picture of the author Joe118
          Not sure if Google takes into account the geo-location of the browser in what it shows. That would indeed be great.

          Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

          It's for local searches, but doesn't Google pretty much give us local results in most searches? I mean, when I put "dentists" in Google, I get a local dentists listing in there along with broader search results. Is that right?

          Let say you put a local chiropractor in "back pain" or any such great keyword without a Google Map listing showing up, if a browser from the chiro's area searches on Google for back pain, won't that result pop up?

          If yes, that is mighty powerful! At least till that tip spreads to the mainstream and everyone is doing it, or Google cracks down on it, but that could be months or a few years down the road. And who says any kind of SEO results are to be permanent? Your client gets your money's worth IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    Hi jay,

    I have done one listing. The listing appeared in approx 12 hours. The search seems to only pick up when the keyterm is in the company field.

    Any advice?
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkR
    takingaction,

    I understand your point and agree with you.

    Jay uses a little more "creative license" than I do in the business name field. I only use the proper, legal name of the business. So, I'm compliant with big G's terms. I was smart and used one of my keywords in my formal company name, so I'm good with Google. I would never do anything even grayhat for work I perform for another business. The lawsuits would cost way more than I make! That's just me.

    Mark

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  • Profile picture of the author Ron.
    Jay,


    I am brand spanking new to IM. My background is Finance. Is this possible for me to do?

    I just need to learn how to find the keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Ron. View Post

      Jay,
      I am brand spanking new to IM. My background is Finance. Is this possible for me to do? I just need to learn how to find the keywords.
      Hey Ron,

      Welcome to the world of IM

      Watch the below video on keyword research. Also on the first page of this thread I posted many tools for you to use

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  • Profile picture of the author Dana_W
    Great post! I copied it to my desktop.

    Just FYI - the link to the Youtube video, in your first post, isn't working.
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  • Profile picture of the author zoobie
    your google map video is not found Jay...
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
    Hey guys,

    This thread has taken on a complete life of it's own... lol
    Mark, thank you for keeping an eye on this thread and answering
    many of the questions.

    @Jay Rhome - You're right on the mark with everything.
    This is a simple yet powerful method to get businesses out in
    front of their target audiences. For those that are new to IM
    understanding the significance of keywords is essential. Here is
    the bottom line... **Remember** those people that are looking
    to buy are specific in their keyword research. Meaning, buyers
    of products tend to use three or more keywords in their search
    to find exactly what they're looking for. For example, someone
    that just did a search for the keyword 'golf' is far too vague.
    There are too many subtopics under golf to know what that
    people is truly looking for. However, someone that types in -
    '6 volt golf cart batteries' is very specific and more likely to
    purchase that item. When someone searches for the product
    and the location then this is someone that is thinking about
    making a purchase.

    Hence, tanning salon new york, book keeping boston etc.

    @codepoint786 Maybe, the immediate area that you're living
    in has limited businesses to approach? However, I'm in a
    metropolitan area that has numerous businesses that need our
    services. The opportunity is more then all those IM's living in my
    geographic area will ever be able take complete advantage
    of. Offline marketing is not for everyone but we all can make
    great livings doing it.

    @Dana and @Zoobie - thanks and the video is all sorted out

    @topgunb: After you setup the company name, address etc.
    on the next page you'll have categories to choose from. Go
    ahead and add a few categories.
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  • Profile picture of the author corporation
    Very nice idea!

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  • Profile picture of the author MarkR
    Ron,

    You probably need a tool to hep you out. I use Keyword Elite and it's great. Market Samurai is the latest / greatest tool from what I can tell. Goggle's tool will help somewhat, but you really need more to do a good job.

    Zoobie,

    I posted the same video in post #111.

    Jay,

    Mark, thank you for keeping an eye on this thread and answering
    many of the questions.
    No problem. Just covering for you while you were talking to customers! I'm sure my answers were different than yours might have been, but that's the beauty of this concept. A lot of ways to skin the cat!

    Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
    Originally Posted by l2ascal View Post

    Thanks for the sales pitch and marketing idea. I was thinking of doing this and some door to door work as well.
    Hey there,

    Great stuff... Now it's time to take some action steps...

    I'm a huge believer in mindset and personal development...

    Start with the below video, add a few ideas from this forum and
    run with it

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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    Wow Jay you're on a roll. That David Preston's post is gold - though I find it hard to believe sending a mere 25 letters will get one flooding with leads, the simple steps of setting autoresponders and putting the website address on the receipts are yet again amazingly simple yet efficient.

    For a weird reason, I didn't want to do offline and consultant work before. I wanted to use IM to set myself free on my "own terms". I had been designing SEO/PPC/Email Marketing services for the last few weeks, and approached a few prospects, but my heart wasn't into it.

    Since a few days ago though, it has changed completely. I need to see "real faces", and if I make $500 with a client instead of trying to sell $500 of a product, it's still $500- but I get feedback, can influence the outcome with my own persuasive powers, etc. The lack of feedback is what kills me the most. I've had recent SEO successes that have resulted in little or no money and I'm tired of the randomness.

    I'll use the earnings to outsource many of the stuff needed to build true businesses - and not just become a decently paid self-employed consultant.

    I've found your thread by looking for a way I can offer my services of putting ezines and hubpages for low-medium competition keywords in the Google top 10 in a few days. This might be of value to many marketers and businesses.

    Anyway good thread! This is "offline" gold.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

      Anyway good thread! This is "offline" gold.
      Hey Jay,

      Glad I could help. I learned a ton from this forum.
      I spent entire nights reading threads like this one.
      Then jumping out there and trying things out. Now
      I'm really enjoying everything that's happening
      around me. Hopefully, you make each system your
      own, close all your back doors, stop making excuses,
      start taking consistent actions and never look back!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
    One thing is for sure: there's no excuses left if I want to make money offering SEO services.
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  • Profile picture of the author Izesta
    Per jsherloc:

    "The other horrible thing I was thinking about was I'd imagine that some less-techy biz owners probably see other businesses, especially their direct competition, doing this. Then they might go and change their name listings to some keyword term as well. I literally just learned about this, so I highly doubt a regular business owner knows whats up with Google TOS."

    I likewise can't totally knock the method since I don't have the experience. But doesn't the business lose something in the process by NOT using and listing their business under the established name?

    I did a local search just last week for a restaurant who's name my old tired, foggy brain just could not recall. But I knew I would recognize it when I saw it. It did show up in the 10 Pack Map listings. But if the name had been disguised with food keywords, I might have missed it.

    The bottom line though is that this concept is a winning proposition with many avenues for success. And no need for pushy sales.

    March on Jay.
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  • Profile picture of the author msmonline
    Wow,...I just finished reading every single post and I must say that this is some good stuff Jay! Even if we don't use the exact methods that Jay recommends,...the tips and ideas gathered,... leaves the door wide open for other ideas & opportunities!

    Thanks Jay --> keep me posted on any wso you start!

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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Jovi View Post

      Thank you for sharing
      Originally Posted by msmonline View Post

      Thanks Jay
      Gary
      Hey guys,

      Glad you where able to take something
      away from this thread
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  • Profile picture of the author gungnugroho
    it's sound like very easy and quick method..... i like to try it to my next blog.... thanks for sharing


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  • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
    Well, I just set up a local listing for my Etsy shop (http://www.tinkerandpo.etsy.com)...it took me about 2 minutes total and is immediately showing if I look up "fingerless gloves Chicago" in Google Maps. We'll see in the next couple days if I'm on page one!

    ETA: UM, WOW. There I am in 7th position on the first page of Google
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  • Profile picture of the author David Squires
    Jay,

    I decided to try this for my dad's insurance agency before trying to get paid clients. Now, my Dad's industry has a lot of Google Local Listings, but they don't seem to be optimized for the keyword I'm targeting.

    Well, I set up a listing, but I can't even find the listing in Google Local. I notice when I look at my Dashboard, it says my ad is 77% complete. I've filled out every form, added a photo, everything except a video. I entered the code Google called to me. Nothing.

    Do you know of any simple thing I might be missing? I'm really interested in trying this, but I want to make sure I can do this before attempting to talk to business owners.

    Also, when you talk about being on the first page of google, do you mean the Google Local Ad will be listed on the first page of Google or that the actual site usually gets listed on Google?
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      David,

      I'll let Jay answer the first question.

      What this does for you is get your "Local business results" listing on page one of Google. It has no bearing on the organic search results as far as I know, although you can be on page one for organic results also.

      PS. Did you try typing in all of the various keywords you were shooting for followed by the city name? Do you get other "Local business results" showing up when you type in your keywords and city name?

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author David Squires
        Thanks, Mark! I did some more searching and see that my listing is in Google for my Dad. I stopped before on page 20 of Google Local Businesses and there he is on Page 24. That's for the primary keyword I targeted. You gave me an idea though to check the listing for the other categories I entered and he's actually ranked higher (page 5) for the secondary keyword.

        I knew going into this that my dad's in a pretty competitive industry, but I figured if I could get him on the first page that would be great. No such luck, but in researching, I see the next town over has no one listed in just about any of the few categories I checked. I think I'll just target another town and see what happens.

        Thanks again.

        David
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        • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
          Originally Posted by David Squires View Post

          Jay,
          I decided to try this for my dad's insurance agency before trying to get paid clients.
          Hey David,

          Good work on trying things out...

          A couple things that I need to correct here.
          The organic listing where a page of a website is
          optimized towards a keyword is different then the
          local business listings. Guys, it is possible for web
          sites to out rank the Google Maps listings within
          the organic rankings. Insurance is a very
          competitive industry! Play with the categories to
          see if you can find a couple placements that is not so
          tough. Also, type in (Your Father's Business Name +
          your locations) and see what comes up. If you used
          the company's name then you should be on the first
          page for that keyword.

          Originally Posted by David Squires View Post

          I knew going into this that my dad's in a pretty competitive industry, but I figured if I could get him on the first page that would be great. No such luck, but in researching, I see the next town over has no one listed in just about any of the few categories I checked. I think I'll just target another town and see what happens.
          David,

          Again, it is Very possible to outrank the Google Maps!
          Setup a wordpress blog with a few good articles and start
          a back linking campaign with Angela Edwards back links
          and you can outrank the Map in no time.

          The only way to target a different city is by having an
          address in that city. Remember this is a 'Local Business
          Listing'. Hence, if your address is not in that city then
          you need to get an address in the city that you plan to
          post the listing for.
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          • Profile picture of the author David Squires
            Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

            The only way to target a different city is by having an
            address in that city. Remember this is a 'Local Business
            Listing'. Hence, if your address is not in that city then
            you need to get an address in the city that you plan to
            post the listing for.
            Jay,

            I'm sorry. I meant that I would target another city to try what you are doing. The plan seems feasible and I can rank at the top of Google Maps for almost any category because there's no competition (NONE!) in most categories. Zero for insurance. Zero for apartments. Zero for Dentists. In my city there are over 3000 results on Local Directory for insurance. In the next city over there are zero. Granted my city has about 1/4 million people and the other city only has about 80,000, but I'll take my chances.

            I can set appointments from my home and drive there once a week to meet face-to-face with prospects. Even if every appointment canceled or didn't buy it would be OK because it's the town I grew up in and I love visiting there.

            I really appreciate your help!

            David
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            • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
              Originally Posted by niurkad View Post

              Jay,
              This is my first post and really one of the first threads that i have read.
              Glad that I helped get you involved.

              Originally Posted by David Squires View Post

              I can set appointments from my home and drive there once a week to meet face-to-face with prospects.
              With this method you don't have to go out to the client
              until they've paid you first! Once they've proven that
              they're serious about their business then you go out and
              expand on their online business model. Remember - there
              is a lot of people out there that just want to waste your
              time and get as much out of you as they can. This method
              shows you quickly who is worth spending your valued time with.
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      • Profile picture of the author valley12
        I just set up one company at my office and will see how it ranks in the next 2 days.
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      • Profile picture of the author appr
        Great idea, Jay!

        I have several questions.

        1. If you are doing this for 12 local Italian restaurants, wouldn't it be somewhat challenging to find 12 different keywords that are not in google maps?

        2. I just looked in the phone book for jewelers.
        One of the listings said, "custom jewelry"

        I put it into google, and two other stores, not this one, appeared in google maps.
        However, this particular store was the first organic entry.
        Would you still ask them if they wanted to appear in google maps?

        3. When I did a test listing, I entered a voicemail only number. It sounded like google left a message with the number 2. I entered the number as the pin and was told it was incorrect. Does google maps leave the pin number right away? If so, the first part of it is probably cut off when the greeting is playing if the call goes to voicemail.

        How many digits is the pin?

        4. Do you know how much David Preston charges for his service of adding the optin box and autoresponder service?

        If not, what would you charge?

        If you wanted to provide the optin service recommended by David Preston and your technique also, would you offer a package deal?

        5. optin box placement

        Where is the best placement for the optin box? Left, center, right.
        I guess it depends on what is on the website.

        I know how to revise HTML. I have put optin boxes in Wordpress, not on a regular website.
        What code do you use to put the box on the left, center or right side of the page?
        Is there a website you could suggest that explains this?

        Thanks,
        Joan
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by David Squires View Post

      I decided to try this for my dad's insurance agency before trying to get paid clients. Now, my Dad's industry has a lot of Google Local Listings, but they don't seem to be optimized for the keyword I'm targeting.
      Hey David,

      Send me a quick pm with your business name and categories.
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  • Profile picture of the author RainDrop
    Wow, this thread is so informative!!
    So many helpful posts in here. Jay thankyou for sharing this and for taking the time to write out those answers for all of us to see, a lot of my questions have been answered
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    Hi Jay,

    Doing the listings are easy. Put the business name in the place it belongs.

    Tip
    You can achieve multiple listings at the same address by using office no:1 in the address line after the street address - if you have it available. or you can put the street number on the second listing on 11a if the number is 11.

    I'm with you Jay, do the keyterm research first.

    I find the lisings on google in approx 12 hours now.

    If you have a office away from home, get both listings.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Marshall
      Originally Posted by Topgunb View Post

      Hi Jay,

      Doing the listings are easy. Put the business name in the place it belongs.

      Tip
      You can achieve multiple listings at the same address by using office no:1 in the address line after the street address - if you have it available. or you can put the street number on the second listing on 11a if the number is 11.

      I'm with you Jay, do the keyterm research first.

      I find the lisings on google in approx 12 hours now.

      If you have a office away from home, get both listings.
      The listings for my company are still screwed up. See earlier post. I read through most of the thread and I found this post from page three of the thread. I do not completely understand what he is saying here. He lost me when he said 11a and 11 and all of that. How can I get my companies' listings setup the way they were before??? :confused:

      Also Jay, for companies that already have a listing or multiple listings setup (like mine), how can you setup a new listing without screwing up their existing listings?

      I am planning on going into full-time IM soon, and I would like to try this off-line business along with all of my other IM activities. Are there any e-books out there that discuss everything in detail? The thread is great, but I 'd like to find something a little better organized.
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  • Profile picture of the author safehold
    Hi Jay,
    Im very new to this internet lark , but I think I do recognise good content when I see it. This was one of the most generous posts I have seen so far. Continue to inspire.

    Terry
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Oje View Post

      Is this achievable for a complete IM newbie as well?
      They here ,

      This is something that you can definitely go after. I know this
      thread is a novel but I suggest reading the entire thing. I've
      provided everything you need to make money though this method.
      Of course there is still more but if you take the basic info in
      here then you should have no issues generating income. How
      soon depends on how quickly you start trying things out.

      Originally Posted by safehold View Post

      Continue to inspire.
      Terry
      Thx Terry

      I really appreciate that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Topgunb
    Hi Jay,

    Just to let you know I have just gotten the #1 position on google

    for :

    rank 1 on google first page in 24 hours guaranteed

    rank 1 on google in 24 hours guaranteed

    Let you know that develops. Share some personal stategy with you soon.

    Thanks

    Brian
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      Eh Brian, actually there's a warrior-forum thread there in position 1 for the 1st search term, at least when *I* look. We may be using different data centers, of course.

      You're in position #2 You've all but invited me to figure out your backlinking strategy, lol.

      Originally Posted by Topgunb View Post

      Hi Jay,

      Just to let you know I have just gotten the #1 position on google

      for :

      rank 1 on google first page in 24 hours guaranteed

      rank 1 on google in 24 hours guaranteed

      Let you know that develops. Share some personal stategy with you soon.

      Thanks

      Brian
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  • Profile picture of the author appr
    Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

    Then I'm going to call you on Friday ... To talk about putting you on Google's first page for 3 high volume keywords, as well as one keyword for Yahoo and MSN which are the largest search engines and account for the lion share of the internet search traffic.
    Hi, Jay,

    I did a search on adding a business to yahoo and MSN search engines.

    I found this link for yahoo.
    local.yahoo.com

    However, it said,
    No keywords or bids to manage.


    The link that I found for MSN did not work.
    The page with the link said that MSN sends you a confirmation by snail mail. It took 2-3 weeks for him to get it.

    What links do you use to add a business, keywords included, to the Yahoo and MSN search engines?

    Thanks much for all your help,
    Joan
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by appr View Post

      What links do you use to add a business to Yahoo and MSN search engines?
      Yahoo listings

      Options
      • Free listing - Many limitations
      • Enhanced $9.95/month - photos, more categories and coupons
      • And $25/month - 5 page website
      • 3 - 5 days to review
      • 2 to 3 weeks to confirm through snail mail
      • listings.local.yahoo.com

      Bing's Listing

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  • Profile picture of the author Searchlabmedia
    how do you verify the business listing by phone? What is is that you use?
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    • Profile picture of the author appr
      Originally Posted by Searchlabmedia View Post

      how do you verify the business listing by phone? What is is that you use?
      You put the phone number of the business in google maps and tell the business owner to expect a call from google maps with the pin number. Tell them to call you with the pin number. When you get the pin number, you enter it into google maps.

      The number has to be a landline or cell phone number. If the call goes to voicemail and there is a greeting, you will not hear the entire pin number.

      Joan
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      • Profile picture of the author Bennette
        Jay,

        I was trying to get my husband's business on google maps 1st page. It's already signed up but I'm having a problem finding the right keywords to target. The business is a Houston remodeling co: timeforremodeling dot com (domain name) any suggestions?

        Thanks

        Bennette
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  • Profile picture of the author deezine
    Anyone having problems with verifying? I am using my cell number for one of my listings to just test. And I have not been able to verify within the past couple of days.

    Just want to know if anyone else is having problems.
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    • Profile picture of the author JNFerree
      My Verification timeline was < 4 minutes on my 1st test run and I used my friend's cell# although she let it go to voice mail, so just clicked the phone verification link (again) and the system called immediately. I am based in Los Angeles, so maybe major metro areas with large tele/banks/clics are more readily available, but this is just conjecture.
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  • Profile picture of the author erickz
    hey Jay, great post!
    i'm gonna try to do some "offline" work now since i am not really getting enough and consistent money from online marketing LOL..
    however, i believe i would have some hard time giving cold calls and providing presentation to prospects, cause i am not really a sales guy and i have no experience in sales and marketing
    also, is there any standard presentation slides or leaflets that we can reference to, so that i can use that and make slight amendments to present to my potential clients?
    i think i will have a hard time tying to come out with a kind of presentation slides?
    or is there any WSOs here that can help me on this?
    i saw quite a number of "offline" WSOs recently...
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkJ
    Jay, thanks for sharing this great concept. Please keep us informed with WSO's etc.

    Many thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author visit_faraz
    Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

    Hey guys,

    Here is one method that really kicks some butt...

    I started selling local business listings to companies in my area. When I
    tried to sell people on one call it was difficult and not working for me so I tried a little twist. I called businesses and offered them a FREE listing first with google. I choose accountants to work with. So, I called the owners of the business and let them know I would have them on the first page of google within 30 hours. **side note** I did a quick search on google for accountants and just went to the 3 page of google. Then started contacting all businesses on the 3rd, 4th, 5th pages and so on. Here's my little pitch...

    Hello

    _________ please

    Hello __________ my name is Jay Sabree and I'm a local e-commerce business consultant and seo expert. I understand you're a busy person. Here's the bottom line.

    I'm here to help you:
    To get more exposure
    And ultimately, to get you more business and sales

    Here's a couple facts for you

    Just over 80% of Canadians go to the internet first and look for your services there. Once they've found your services on the net then they contact you or they go into your business/office after they've found you on the internet.

    Now here's the down side to that, if you're not on the first page of Google then it's likely that your website is not being seen at all. Google has put together statistics showing that 98% of the business that they generate is as a result of being on their first page.

    Going forward, it is essential that you have your business on the first page of Google.

    What I'm going to do for you isn't going to cost you anything right now.

    I'll put you on the first page of Google for one of the highest volume keyword terms within the next 30 hours.

    Here are the details.
    When people go to google they type in specific words to find your business or the services that your industry offers. I have the list of the highest volume search words in your specific industry. This information has come directly from Google itself.

    Of those search words here are two of the highest volume keywords for you to choose from

    According to Google's data bank the keyword
    ____________ receives ________ searches per month

    And the keyword ____________ receives ________ searches per month

    Which one would you like me to put you on the first page of Google for?

    Great!

    Then I'm going to call you on Friday ... To talk about putting you on Google's first page for 3 high volume keywords, as well as I'll set you up on Yahoo and MSN which are the largest search engines and account for the lion share of the internet search traffic.

    On Friday when I call you back I'm going to let you know about keywords that are receiving 1.2 million searches per month + + + that the rest of your industry is not taking advantage of.

    Is Friday at 2:00p.m. good for you?
    Can you be in front of a computer for that time?

    Great

    The key here is I went to Google Keyword Tool Box and found all the high volume keywords first. Then I went over the google and made share NO OTHERS COMPANIES were using google maps for that keyword term. I gathered 15 high volume keywords (75 thousands searches per month, plus plus). To refine the process I also looked at the commercial value for each keyword in my geographic area. I used the adwords keyword estimator. https://adwords.google.com/select/Tr...timatorSandbox. I choose the best terms to offer each company. I used a two step approach to sealing the deal. Only one keyword was setup for each company to show them what I could do for them. Then i called them back in two days (after making sure they were on the first page of google in the number one position) Again, I made sure there was no google maps competition for the keyword term first. When the follow up call was made I got them in front of their computer and had them type the keyword term in. Once, they saw them self in the number one position with no other competition then it was like taking candy from a baby... lol I offered them 3 keywords terms in google and one keyword term in yahoo and msn for $497.00. I also made it a one time payment for life and a bonus one on one internet marketing consultation (value of $297). Of course, the local business listing was my shoe in and the rest was smooth sailing ...

    If you're not sure how to put together a google maps listing watch this quick video...

    YouTube - Local Business Center for Google Maps

    Cheers

    Jay
    This is really an awesome post.
    Hats off to you.

    Faraz
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  • Profile picture of the author Instructor
    Nice post.

    Couple of quick questions:

    1. Can skype numbers be used?

    2. How exactly are you collecting payments via paypal i.e. paypal pro, email link, pp invoice? The reason why I ask is that without paypal pro wouldn't the business owner have to have or set-up a paypal account to pay you?

    3. If you set it up with the business owners name and phone number, what's to stop the business owner from just claiming the listing and not paying you?

    4. When you say searches with 75k + you must be referring to broad and not exact, correct?

    Thanks in advance!
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    • Profile picture of the author Instructor
      Wow I really was anticipating you answering my questions (below)...

      Originally Posted by Instructor View Post


      Nice post.

      Couple of quick questions:

      1. Can skype numbers be used?

      2. How exactly are you collecting payments via paypal i.e. paypal pro, email link, pp invoice? The reason why I ask is that without paypal pro wouldn't the business owner have to have or set-up a paypal account to pay you?

      3. If you set it up with the business owners name and phone number, what's to stop the business owner from just claiming the listing and not paying you?

      4. When you say searches with 75k + you must be referring to broad and not exact, correct?

      Thanks in advance!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Instructor View Post

      1. Can skype numbers be used?
      2. How exactly are you collecting payments via paypal i.e. paypal pro, email link, pp invoice? The reason why I ask is that without paypal pro wouldn't the business owner have to have or set-up a paypal account to pay you?
      3. If you set it up with the business owners name and phone number, what's to stop the business owner from just claiming the listing and not paying you?
      4. When you say searches with 75k + you must be referring to broad and not exact, correct?
      Hey there ,

      1. I don't use skype so I'm not able to address that question.
      2. You don't need paypal pro! Send a pp invoice and the customer
      will have two options. If they have a paypal account then they will
      just need to put in their paypal e-mail address. If they don't have an
      account then paypal will take them to a secure area to fill out their
      cc information. I've also put a mini sales letter together and testing
      sending the customer to that after the call. But the best way is to
      have the customer on the phone send the invoice and have them go
      through the options with you sitting on the other end holding their
      hand through the process.
      3. Since, you setup the e-mail address then you have full control on
      the account. If the customer is aware of Google Maps then they could
      and likely will try to do it themselves. Example (Real Estate Agents)
      Many of them know about google maps and how to set one up.
      4. Yes you're correct! However, I do make sure there is a high volume
      of commercial local traffic going through the keywords by using the adwords
      keyword estimator tool. This will ensure the top placements receive
      solid traffic! Just remember - these google tools are not always
      perfect/correct.
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  • Profile picture of the author Instructor
    I'm not aware of that. Now when you say for the use of Brick and Mortars, do you mean that the Brick and Mortars are the payors or the payees?
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    • Profile picture of the author karakoram
      Originally Posted by Instructor View Post

      I'm not aware of that. Now when you say for the use of Brick and Mortars, do you mean that the Brick and Mortars are the payors or the payees?

      payee.

      FOr example, I was telling my Chiropractor about this, as he can't jusitify a merchant account, as he has too few credit card payors, but I want him to take credit card for convenience and so I can get miles. I read somewhere, possibly on paypal itself, that you can set your self up so that you can enter a person's credit card on a form in your pay pal account. They don't need a paypal.

      Turns out its not just for B&M, but it could be used for B&M

      I am too new to WF to post links, but go to Paypal.com, then click "Products and services". At the bottom, under "more products and services" is a link to Virtual Terminal. That's it.

      edit:
      Ok, I just learned that their is a $30/mo fee, and of course a % per transaction fee. I didn't realize there was a monthly. Still, its probably easier to do this than try to get a merchant account.
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    Thanks for this great idea Jay. I've read the entire thread and am ready to get rolling with this.

    In doing some initial research, I noticed that a term I checked on in Google Maps (community name tooth extraction showed there were ten listings - only one of which was actually located in that community. But, when I went to Google Search, I don't see any "local business results" appearing for this term - not even for the one that was actually in the town I was searching for on GM.

    So, would this be a term I could go after? Does this happen a lot - listings appearing in Google Maps from businesses outside of the local community (some listings were 60+ miles away!) searched on?

    Thanks again to Jay and all the other folks who have contributed to this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by warbar View Post

      So, would this be a term I could go after? Does this happen a lot - listings appearing in Google Maps from businesses outside of the local community (some listings were 60+ miles away!) searched on?
      Yes, this does happen often! Normally, I attack keywords that
      have little to no Maps listings. There are many keyword terms
      out there. Find ones that have high traffic and NO competition.
      Throw the 5 best keywords into the Categories area! As per
      Google new guidelines.
      The search engine still does all the work
      and rocket you up to the #1 position for those terms! (As long
      as there was NO competition in the Maps)
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      • Profile picture of the author warbar
        Thanks Jay - I'll keep looking...
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    Another question...

    I believe this was touched on earlier in this thread, but I can't seem to find it.

    As I mentioned in the post just above this one, I was searching on community name tooth extraction in the Adwords Keyword Tool. That term returns "Not enough data". Of course the term tooth extraction comes fits into this strategy very nicely with 110,000 searches per month.

    So my question - when searching keyword terms with the AW Keyword Tool, am I correct in assuming you leave out the geo term? Gotta be because otherwise, there would be very few mid sized communities (if any) that would have 75,000+ searches on geo targeted terms.

    Guess I've answered my own question, but would like confirmation just to be sure I'm on the right track.

    Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    I'm in the process of putting a couple of reports together to help pitch Jay's method.

    I want to be able to include some statistics, but I don't want to just quote stats without being able to attach them to a (preferably well known) web site, newspaper or person. Does anyone know of a clearinghouse for internet marketing type of stats? Or is it time to head over to Google and do some hunting?

    For example:

    Jay, made a comment earlier:

    Fact: The industry average for e-mail marketing is 1$ spent
    to every $50 earned. NO OTHER FORM OF MARKETING
    COMES ANYWHERE CLOSE TO THAT RETURN ON INVESTMENT
    (R.O.I)
    Any idea where this stat comes from? I'd love to include it in my report, but without attribution, I'm afraid it won't hold much water with a potential client.

    Getting pretty excited about the possibilities of this.

    Thanks once again for any thoughts / assistance.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by warbar View Post

      Any idea where this stat comes from?
      That stat was from early last year. Here is the
      most recent stat from this year that I could
      source out.

      CIO > CheetahMail enters NZ market
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      • Profile picture of the author warbar
        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        That stat was from early last year. Here is the
        most recent stat from this year that I could
        source out.
        Excellent - Thanks Jay!

        Can't tell you how much your continued assistance in this thread is appreciated.

        Warren
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  • Profile picture of the author googmagic
    can it be done from all over the world ?

    thanks,
    Ido
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  • Profile picture of the author pearlydean
    Hi Jay,

    Great information mate and I am using a few of your ideas already with my offline clients in the UK. It works really well over here. I don't blame you for calling a halt to dealing with all the queries here as you can only do so much.

    I have over 30 years experience in selling on the phone and face to face and all the offline rules work just as well online.

    My advice is to just go for it folks, get your hands dirty, ring some people up and go and see them. The worst thing they can say is no and if you make mistakes so what just learn from them and do it differently next time!

    Thanks again Jay for the great information you are a true Warrior!

    Cheers Keith

    P.S. If anyone wants any help with advice about talking to prospective clients let me know I will help if I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author mailcold
    I had discussion with an google insider (mid level manager) in my town. He told me that google is aware of keyword stuffing in name and address field of local listing. options are being evaluated at this point of time . Google is unable to take action against people that are abusing this google local listings for the simple reason that if google did ban the associated website then competitors can edit entries of rivals to get them banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author EmmaJames
    I'm shocked at all this free information...thanks
    so much...it's a great starting place...
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by EmmaJames View Post

      I'm shocked at all this free information...thanks
      so much...it's a great starting place...
      Hey Emma

      lol ... Glad you liked it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Blackmediaprop08
    sounds good..but I frown upon the sales game..:/..I used to be in the clothing industry selling clothing wholesale..
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  • Profile picture of the author mistermint
    Hi Jay-Great Piece Of Work! I was planning something similar but more simple for local restaurants. We often forget there is a big world out there off line that is.
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Frankie D View Post

      Will do! Thanks for the wonderful free info. "Really helped me out on a business I'm starting up"
      Glad i could help

      Originally Posted by mistermint View Post

      I was planning something similar but more simple for local restaurants.
      I'm here if you would like to bounce a few ideas off me or
      brainstorm and come up with a couple more angles to
      approach you target audience. PM me if you prefer...
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      • Profile picture of the author jksarra
        Congratulations on a great thread,good honest opinions and a great idea.
        Something that a newbie such as me could quite easily do to get a taste of money.
        Convert this to action and it sounds like it could be a winner

        Thanks for the great info and keep it coming pls
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  • Profile picture of the author warbar
    I ran across a site yesterday that talks about local search and provides a host of sites that should be targeted to provide local businesses with full coverage. I would think this would provide additional value for our clients.

    The comments, along with an article that was linked to in the comments section at this site were pretty interesting. Got into talking about how a certain industry had figured out a way to spam the heck out of the Google Local Business Results.

    Local Search Resource Site

    Article regarding LBR Spamming

    Warren
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  • Profile picture of the author Yogini
    Jay,

    What a great thread. If I can ask you something I was confused about: When you then do the additional keywords, do you change description or categories in order to get them in? Or is it that initially you just use one or two categories and then if you get the account you will add in the additional keywords and alter description?

    Debbie
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Yogini View Post

      When you then do the additional keywords, do you change description or categories in order to get them in?
      Hey Debbie,

      Ok, I give them 1 keyword to start. Once they show me
      that they're serious and become a customer then I expand
      their reach on the business listings. Many times I just fill
      'all' the categories with different keywords in their niche.
      I only use the main ranking keyword in the description
      all the rest go in the categories. Think of it like keyword
      density when you're writing your articles.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ghalt
        Jay -

        First of all, THANK YOU for taking the time to share this concept, and to keep updating the thread. I am working toward a goal of quitting my job, and off-line income will have to be a part of that. This is a major step in that direction for me.

        Even after reading through, I'm a little confused about 'Phase Two' of the process.

        As I understand it, for Phase One you have them pick a keyword phrase and you use that as their biz name for the local listing.

        What if they pick three more phrases, after agreeing to pay you? Are you creating MORE listings, or just adding the keyword phrases to the description?

        Based on the quote below, it looks like you are leaving it with just one listing, and adding keywords to categories. Is that still strong enough to get them on page one for those keywords, too?

        Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

        Hey Debbie,

        Ok, I give them 1 keyword to start. Once they show me
        that they're serious and become a customer then I expand
        their reach on the business listings. Many times I just fill
        'all' the categories with different keywords in their niche.
        I only use the main ranking keyword in the description
        all the rest go in the categories. Think of it like keyword
        density when you're writing your articles.
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        • Profile picture of the author Bennette
          Jay,

          Just wanted to say thanks for sharing this method and taking the time to lay it out step by step. I got my 1st client using this method and it does work.

          I wish you continued success in your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author karakoram
    How do you suppose an individual Realtor could do this in a particular area? It looks like the real estate offices (wether or not they are members of the National Association of Realtors) have the highest rankings in my area. What could an individual agent do?
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  • Profile picture of the author VideosYES
    Hi Jay,

    Would this work for a job agency?


    Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by DinhTa View Post

      Would this work for a job agency?
      Hey there

      I need a few more details before I can
      respond?

      Originally Posted by cbulen View Post

      What could an individual agent do?
      The association could out rank the maps quite easily.
      This is more of a strategic positioning question. When you're
      going after a niche many times the main keyword that you would
      like to rank for has a high degree of competition. This is why your
      web site should also target long tail keywords in your niche. Many
      times the long tail keyword has less competition and naturally is
      easier to rank for and get more immediate traffic flowing to your
      web site through other pages. A linking campaign that evenly
      spreads out the links firing to each of the pages in your web site
      will achieve faster traffic coming from the search engines for your
      long tail keywords and as a bonus will also push your rankings
      up for your main keyword.

      This is the strategy that you could use for your niche. Look
      at long tail keywords that may have less competition but
      will get you ranked faster and have more immediate traffic
      flowing in.

      **side note**
      long tail keywords tend to convert better. The more specific
      someone is in their search and closer they are to making a
      buying decision.
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  • Profile picture of the author Star Riley
    I thank you for another bullet in my offline gun Jay.

    As with Google issues folks the key is this :

    Nothing lasts for ever especially loopholes that are discussed in open access forums and online remember Google is a search engine and this post will show in their system.

    So if they did not know of abuse they do now, ever heard of the Google slap?

    What can i add? Lets see: I have been boosting my own sites and adding business to the site that I own and rank for as a listing. Educate them on the value of links to improve their ranking then take it from there.

    Thanks JS you get this tightened up and I'll still support your wso, even though you gave so much value already.

    Add videos and walk through step by step and PM when your ready to launch it :-) my credit card number is 4954 8223 6929 9999 exp 00/00

    Star " The Bill Ray of IM" Riley
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    • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
      Originally Posted by Star Riley View Post

      my credit card number is 4954 8223 6929 9999 exp 00/00
      lol ... Too funny
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  • Profile picture of the author Yogini
    Jay,

    Thank you so much for your elaboration:

    "Ok, I give them 1 keyword to start. Once they show me
    that they're serious and become a customer then I expand
    their reach on the business listings. Many times I just fill
    'all' the categories with different keywords in their niche.
    I only use the main ranking keyword in the description
    all the rest go in the categories. Think of it like keyword
    density when you're writing your articles. "

    When you use the categories do you create your own phrases or do you use the ones they provide? Also, do you ever add the additional keywords to the description or does that create a red flag?

    Debbie
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  • Profile picture of the author MrYossu
    I've read right through this thread, and I must say it's very interesting, but I'm a bit confused about exactly where these search results appear.

    If I understand it right, it looks like we are trying to get a top listing when someone searches for a business in Google Maps. Is this right?

    If so, how do we know the volume of searches in GM? The keyword tool seems to show search volume in the normal Google search engine.

    I would be grateful if someone can clarify this for me. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author dengee
    Need to absorb this being a newbie, but thankyou for detailing everything so carefully and of course for sharing, cheers
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    • Profile picture of the author MarkR
      MrYossu,

      You're close.

      We are trying to get the top listing for our selected keyword(s) (of the ten shown) in the "local business results" section which appears at the top of the organic search results page. Click here for an example. I typed in "plumber tempe az". Look for the area that says "Local business results for plumber near Tempe, AZ" with the map to the left side.

      The search is actually done on the main Google search screen, not within the Maps application. So, the volume of keyword searches is right out of your favorite keyword research tool, from the "normal Google search engine".

      HTH,

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author MrYossu
        Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

        MrYossu,

        You're close.
        That's better than I usually manage!

        Originally Posted by MarkR View Post

        We are trying to get the top listing for our selected keyword(s) (of the ten shown) in the "local business results" section which appears at the top of the organic search results page. Click here for an example. I typed in "plumber tempe az". Look for the area that says "Local business results for plumber near Tempe, AZ" with the map to the left side.

        The search is actually done on the main Google search screen, not within the Maps application. So, the volume of keyword searches is right out of your favorite keyword research tool, from the "normal Google search engine".

        HTH,

        Mark
        That's what I originally thought, but I always thought that those ten results came from the Local Business Center, not from Google Maps. It seems the two are more closely connected than I thought!

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
          Originally Posted by MrYossu View Post

          That's what I originally thought, but I always thought that those ten results came from the Local Business Center, not from Google Maps. It seems the two are more closely connected than I thought!
          I actually can't see a difference. If you are in Google Maps, aren't you automatically in the Local Business Center registry?

          BTW I've done this for a few companies, and they do come out on top, but only when a city is put afterwards the keyword in the Google search. It'd be nice as hell if the Google Map showings would pop up just for a "regular" keyword search.

          I've actually seen some for words like "camping" - I get Google Map campings from my area. Nice niches to focus on!
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          • Profile picture of the author JaySabree
            Originally Posted by Jay Rhome View Post

            BTW I've done this for a few companies, and they do come out on top, but only when a city is put afterwards the keyword in the Google search. It'd be nice as hell if the Google Map showings would pop up just for a "regular" keyword search.
            Hey Jay,

            That's great! I knew you would likely be one of the warriors to run
            with this idea and make it work.

            Did you do the Maps as a FREE service or have you gained a couple
            dollars in your pocket using the Local Business Listings/Google Maps, yahoo, bing etc. etc?
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            Jay
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            • Profile picture of the author Jay Rhome
              Originally Posted by JaySabree View Post

              Did you do the Maps as a FREE service or have you gained a couple
              dollars in your pocket using the Local Business Listings/Google Maps, yahoo, bing etc. etc?
              I actually did it for free for a few (penniless) friends to get my feet wet and test out the process. I have started calling AND going physically to local businesses to try to get customers.

              I researched them first. I used a local business ad book/directory to guide me in my Google searches. Some of them were in Google Maps, some not, some had a website, some not.

              I do plan on offering 3 keywords in Google Map for $99.99. Though I see why offering it for free makes sense too. Especially over the phone.

              1st mistake to adjust: I went in with too much options (from Google Maps to website design to full blown SEO to creating video/autoresponder series). Each one has to be clearly explained and simplified or else the prospects have too much choice... and make none.

              Another option is adding pictures, videos and coupons inside Google Map for those without a website...

              Pffew. I need to simplify my process, or at least make it simpler for the prospect.



              First though, we have to make them see the value for all this, as most that don't have a website don't see the need for one either.

              Second, remember to aim for referrals, even from cold, non clients. "I help people get found on the internet. Do you know someone who needs..."

              Third, I feel going in person can make for a better ratio of sales, but it takes a lot of time! And I wound up buying stuff so that's not so good :rolleyes:
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          • Profile picture of the author MarkR