My site disappeared in May 2013 & disavow didn't help

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Hi,

My site started to drop from the top positions in May 2013. I was told it was Panda and I had spammy backlinks by a few seo companies. However, I never received a warning from Google.

I did have some spammy links due to trying to outsource to seo companies over the years. Directories and not too related blog links, that type of thing.

And seo company said they would do a disavow. After that my site has almost disappeared completely. The seo company in question say I should start from the beginning with a new website. I wanted to ask them why they then were happy to perform the disavow in the first place, but decided I would be wasting my breath and chalked it up to another failed seo outsourcing attempt.

So, I now wonder if it is worth trying to build my original site back up in Google, or whether to start again? Is there a statement from Google on this? Is there a site where I can quantify the damage and potential course to improvement?
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  • Profile picture of the author ashishthakkar
    It has been more than a year. You should move on.

    Then again it depends on what your site was about and how long you have had it. I would not leave my 10 year old site just because google de-ranked it or a new site with 100s of original articles.

    Cheers.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    This question is pretty much impossible to answer without seeing your backlinks and your site. Please ignore all the "yeah definitely do this" kind of one-liners on this forum, there are too many users who have no clue.

    Panda could mean thin or low-value content. This is often the case with sites that don't rank in Google. The content could be copied from somewhere (as is the case with many Amazon affiliates), or it might just be very generic and bland. It's increasingly difficult to come up with your own content and voice in the English-speaking part of the www. People spout about "uniqueness" like it's the ultimate goal, but having the same old rehashed stuff with slightly different wording isn't likely to fool Google any more.

    You might've actually disavowed links that had nothing to do with it, making the situation worse.
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    Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
    Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

    What's your excuse?
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  • Profile picture of the author PBScott
    If Google did not message you, then your website did most likely not get directly penalized or flagged.

    If all your back links were garbage, they likely all got devalued to the point where they were no longer passing you any PageRank.

    A lot of things changed in the last couple years with Google, our websites WEB search went from about 600 visitors a day down to 30 around that time, and never went back again, thankfully our image search is still about 700 people a day. This is the new norm for us, what we did to compensate was a very careful advertising campaign, which pays for it self. 40% of our visitors are customer referrals these days. Profits are up.

    If your website has good content, you might want to find other ways to promote it. If you can not make it worthwhile, you may need to move on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    Clone your website to a new one, change titles, images and content a little then 301 old domain to new one. This should do the trick. Get some high PR links to new domain and you should strat ranking again quite quickly.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Took a quick peek at the your backlink profile. Doesn't look too bad according to Majestic SEO. However, the sites on your disavow list look like garbage. I'd say it's probably a good move.

      Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

      Clone your website to a new one, change titles, images and content a little then 301 old domain to new one. This should do the trick. Get some high PR links to new domain and you should strat ranking again quite quickly.
      If there's a penalty or the site was slapped for having an unnatural backlink profile it's likely that redirect brings the same problems to the new site. After all, you're asking for Google to recognize your previous backlinks.
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      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    Wow! thanks a lot for the responses.

    The site has about 80 pages of content. 40 are very well written and all unique. I was always careful with what I did for seo, but when I outsourced it I couldn't be sure what was being done re backlinks and not all the links were good at all.

    It's an interesting idea @Danny Shaw. Do you think that would work? I have considered that.

    The site is Isabel's Typing Services
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    Here is the disavow file and my site is Isabel's Typing Services
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    Your site is fine, relax. Fine as in its still recoverable.

    It does need a complete redesign and don't use the old urls again. In fact, i'd suggest using a different platform for your site.

    I know this from experience, i run forums and back in 2011 i ordered a WSO from here to rank a few posts, it wasn't a good experience my site PR dropped from 3 to 2 and sp i stopped all seo completely. My site did bad a couple months after that but i continued and fast forward to today its stronger than ever. The posts i wanted to rank are deindexed from google, they don't even show up anymore. It was a softer slap i guess. And i have not disavowed a single link, i couldn't be arsed honestly.

    So seems to me its the same case with you considering you have a PR2 still. I haven't checked your backlinks though but the fact it shows up fine in google means you're good. Just build high quality backlinks and change the whole site structure and urls.
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  • Profile picture of the author savyeman
    Originally Posted by Silver007A View Post

    Hi,

    My site started to drop from the top positions in May 2013. I was told it was Panda and I had spammy backlinks by a few seo companies. However, I never received a warning from Google.

    I did have some spammy links due to trying to outsource to seo companies over the years. Directories and not too related blog links, that type of thing.

    And seo company said they would do a disavow. After that my site has almost disappeared completely. The seo company in question say I should start from the beginning with a new website. I wanted to ask them why they then were happy to perform the disavow in the first place, but decided I would be wasting my breath and chalked it up to another failed seo outsourcing attempt.

    So, I now wonder if it is worth trying to build my original site back up in Google, or whether to start again? Is there a statement from Google on this? Is there a site where I can quantify the damage and potential course to improvement?
    Starting over may not be as difficult as you're making it. Why don't you go out and buy an expired and nicely aged domain and take all the information on your old and site and place it on your new site.

    But you must be careful you have to make sure all of the pages from your old site are deleted from Google results.

    Then you need to high an seo company that knows what they are doing in helping you rank your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Disavow takes time to work especially when it's a severe penalty.

    If it's not a manual penalty one of the things you can do is:

    1. Neutralize the links by spreading your domain name and URL over your main keywords.

    2. Build top quality links that are relevant to your niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
      Originally Posted by mkgg View Post

      Your site is fine, relax. Fine as in its still recoverable.

      In fact, i'd suggest using a different platform for your site.

      change the whole site structure and urls.
      Thanks mkgg. Change site structue is interesting. Why do you think that would help?

      And when you say "change urls" would that make any difference if i didn't also change the title tags and content?

      Originally Posted by savyeman View Post

      nicely aged domain and take all the information on your old and site and place it on your new site.

      But you must be careful you have to make sure all of the pages from your old site are deleted from Google results.
      Thanks Savyeman. I have this site as well that I could use. Global Transcriptions

      It is an old Joomla sie and needs to be updated. Do you think I could just upload my old site there? Maybe I should forget the old site and build this one as it wasn't affected in any way by Google changes?

      Also, when you say "delete from Google results". How do I do that? In Webmaster Tools?
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      1. Neutralize the links by spreading your domain name and URL over your main keywords.
      Thanks Johnben1444. What do you mean by that?
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  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
    Originally Posted by Silver007A View Post

    Hi,

    My site started to drop from the top positions in May 2013. I was told it was Panda and I had spammy backlinks by a few seo companies. However, I never received a warning from Google.
    Google never sends out warnings if you are caught in an algorithmic filter. Penguin 2 launched in May 2013, there's a good chance that's what hit you. On what date did the decline start? See if it matches with known update history.

    And seo company said they would do a disavow. After that my site has almost disappeared completely. The seo company in question say I should start from the beginning with a new website. I wanted to ask them why they then were happy to perform the disavow in the first place, but decided I would be wasting my breath and chalked it up to another failed seo outsourcing attempt.
    Those links might've been helping you rank before you were slapped. Then they started hurting you. Now that you've disavowed those links are essentially treated as nofollowed by Google you need better quality links to replace the old ones. Simply disavowing doesn't mean your ranking is going to come back. It only means you've suggested to Google to ignore those particular links in your profile.

    When was the disavow placed? You would have to wait for a Penguin refresh to see any benefit if at all. The last Penguin was last October, should be another one soon.

    Do you have lists of login/pw of sites that these SEO companies used to build your links? Have you e-mailed any web masters asking them to remove your links?
    So, I now wonder if it is worth trying to build my original site back up in Google, or whether to start again? Is there a statement from Google on this? Is there a site where I can quantify the damage and potential course to improvement?
    I don't think all is lost here. Google's statement is always the same old same old "write quality content". Course of action is to write every webmaster you can ask them to remove your links, make sure you haven't missed anything on your disavow, update with anything new you find, build new higher quality links, and then wait for the next refresh.
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  • Profile picture of the author easypr
    Hello
    I analysis you website and found you website is ok, 252 pages are indexed in google, latest cached date is 23 June ( Home), found XML sitemap, solve canonical issues. I suggest re-optimize the website, and optimize the content, and resubmit the sitemap in search engine.

    In off page, create video, and infographics and submit in respective sites, its help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author hitaseo
    Find dead, broken links and remove it. it will help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
    Judging by some of the other posters, I sometimes I wish you had to be vetted before you could post in this forum. However, I'm often wrong with my facts as well so I guess I can't have it both ways.

    Looking at your anchor cloud in AHrefs nearly 50% of your anchor text is "Transcription Services" it's really no surprise the site was penalized. There's nothing that stands out in your link profile as particularly strong.

    There are some SUPER spammy blog network blogs linking to you with exact match anchors as well. It looks like you purchased these links back in 2010.

    I would get every link I could removed. Disavow everything I can't. Start diluting the anchor text with long phrase/sentence fragment anchors that contain related words, raw URL anchors, etc.. just a whole variety.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    @twilightofidols
    The last Penguin was last October, should be another one soon.
    Is this correct? It would be good if the update helped me again.

    @hitaseo
    Find dead, broken links and remove it. it will help you.
    I do need to do this and have the list. Thanks

    So, of all the options people have offered, which would be the top 3 actions I should do?
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    • Profile picture of the author twilightofidols
      Originally Posted by Silver007A View Post

      @twilightofidols

      Is this correct? It would be good if the update helped me again.

      @hitaseo

      I do need to do this and have the list. Thanks

      So, of all the options people have offered, which would be the top 3 actions I should do?
      Nobody knows when it's going to occur, the only thing we do know is that it WILL occur. John Mueller of Google recently stated that the engineers are currently working on the next Penguin update.

      I would take one of two courses.

      Either go in to overdrive with attempting to remove bad links and disavow BEFORE the next update. Since we don't know when that is, it basically means you need to do this yesterday. Disavow will not show results until after the Penguin data refresh and even then you will probably not regain ranking.

      Or start over. Noindex the old site, buy a new domain. Start fresh.
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  • Profile picture of the author mongolana
    Hi Silver007A, your website was definitely hit by Penguin, not Panda. I have strong experience about this with my websites, don't waste your time and money with SEO companies, don't try to remove the links and disavow tool will never help, please give me a few days and I will give you solution
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    • Profile picture of the author amflores
      I would not recommend you do a 301 redirect from a penalized site to the new one. That is really poor advice.

      No index, no follow the current url on google only, particularly if you are still getting traffic from Yahoo and Bing. Take the site as is and upload it to a new url. Before you do this be sure you do not have overoptimized content, or duplicative content for that matter. Start over with a clean link profile and follow best practices for 2014 in terms of anchor text.

      I know it blows to start over but believe me from experience, it's not worth the time and effort trying to recover a domain that may, or may not come back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    When people say "build quality links" how do we do that now that even guest blogging is frowned upon by Google?
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver007A
    I was wondering,

    I have a second site with approx 80 pages of unique, good content that is positioned quite well and doens't have lots of spammy backlinks.

    Both sites offer the same service and the keywords and content are similar in subject matter (not duplicated). In fact the keyword structure would be the same.

    My question is, do you think moving all the content to the 1st site and setting up 301 redirects would help the seo and drive the site that was dropped last year back up the rankings?
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