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Unread 21st Jul 2009, 09:52 AM   #701
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Hey John, or anyone else doing Adsense sites...

Has anyone made money feeding content to their sites from article sites like ezinearticles.com, and articlesbase.com, etc., etc.? Of course you can't modify these articles which means they include the authors links.

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P.S. I've got lots of other work to do, so I would rather you take your time and make it right John.
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That is just amazing. I'm thinking of testing this out but I wanna try with blogs instead. Hey Xfactor, I want to know if you target one certain brand of product or a certain product in general?

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Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

Oh, man. I'm just gonna let this one go...
If you are decide to sell the sites separately later on, a reseller plan makes it easier and you can just charge the new owner for hosting. Maybe throw in a few months for free with the sale.

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Originally Posted by DireStraits View Post

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Basically.... to me (and I'm sure to the team at Google), any site which is built around specific products (or a group of products) and is monetized only by Adsense could be defined as being MFA (Made For Adsense), which is of course strictly against Googles terms of service.

What steps could we take to ensure we are not banned or penalized because of this? Should we only go so far in optimizing our sites for a better CTR, etc?

Do Google not mind so long as the content you have on your site is of good quality (readable, makes sense, and offers some value - even if only by reinforcing or encouraging a persons purchase decision, by way of a review)?
This is just my opinion, and that and a $1.75 will get you a cup of black coffee, but I think the key is to look at your site and ask yourself "If I take the ads off of this website, is the site still interesting and useful to readers?". Are the ads the only purpose for the page to exist? It is obviously a fine line.

Many people fill pages with massively overused PLR, scraped content, other people's RSS feeds and sometimes even titles and article snippets to try to rig the search engine rankings, and the content on their site is clearly there solely for the purpose of getting someone to the site to click on the ads. I think this is what Google means when they prohibit MFA type sites.

For that reason alone, I would encourage anyone who uses this method to really take care to make the content something Google doesn't find somewhere else. I think it only makes sense that if you want to make a living as a web publisher selling sponsorships of your content, you should make the content worthy of the money being paid. Give them a good value for their ad money and you most likely won't have any issues with the guidelines.

That being said, if you have quality content and you have traffic to it you can always find someone to advertise there even if you didn't have Adsense.

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I have never had any of my websites sandboxed because of SBs. Sometimes I do 100 SBs on day 1 of the website going live. Never had any problems.

From my experience, it takes Google from 4 to 8 days to crawl all of the SBs (if I do 100, Google normally finds ~15 straight away and then 5-10 a day for the next 5-10 days).

After 25-50 bookmarks I normally get a temporary boost in rankings (like jump from positions 7-8 to 2-3) for a couple of days, and then my website goes back to where it was before SB submissions. I like SBs because once the links get picked up by Google, their bot seems to crawl my sites at least once a day, which helps with testing and stuff.

Articles provide higher quality backlinks. I don't really get any traffic from my articles, but the backlinks have a long(er) lasting effect.

I haven't tried submitting to ezine. I'm just too lazy to write 6-8 quality articles/day (plus content for 2 mini sites). I like all the automation features that UAW offers.

See, I'm a tech guy, not a writer... I like to automate stuff (once I get a nice system worked out). I never abuse any of the automation tools, but I do use them once I'm comfortable with doing the work manually and know what works and what needs to be done.

At the moment I'm well on my way to automating everything apart from content writing and keyword research (even that is more or less automated). So far it seems to be working for me. Getting clicks every day, it is good fun I gotta admit.

Once I get to $100/day, I'm going to diversify awaaay from Google, perhaps get a hundred or so CB sniper sites going, then try other contextual ad companies etc. I'm paranoid about my Google accounts being disabled, but hey, thats me!

p.s. I only use SBs for indexing purposes. Always get indexed within 4-12 hours of launching a site.

Originally Posted by loybond View Post

I didn't want to submit to 25 SB sites at one go, because I was under the impression that it may cause sandboxing. Since it works for you, I'm going to try this out as well - I am doing about a site a day.

Is using UAW really any better than manual submission? I'm submitting to Ezine (for the PR) and GO (for the immediacy) manually. Even though articles on GO are live right away, it hasn't helped get me indexed yet.
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Originally Posted by Carl Pruitt View Post

This is just my opinion, and that and a $1.75 will get you a cup of black coffee, but I think the key is to look at your site and ask yourself "If I take the ads off of this website, is the site still interesting and useful to readers?". Are the ads the only purpose for the page to exist? It is obviously a fine line.

Many people fill pages with massively overused PLR, scraped content, other people's RSS feeds and sometimes even titles and article snippets to try to rig the search engine rankings, and the content on their site is clearly there solely for the purpose of getting someone to the site to click on the ads. I think this is what Google means when they prohibit MFA type sites.

For that reason alone, I would encourage anyone who uses this method to really take care to make the content something Google doesn't find somewhere else. I think it only makes sense that if you want to make a living as a web publisher selling sponsorships of your content, you should make the content worthy of the money being paid. Give them a good value for their ad money and you most likely won't have any issues with the guidelines.

That being said, if you have quality content and you have traffic to it you can always find someone to advertise there even if you didn't have Adsense.
Use a plugin for WP like Max Banner Ads to rotate your Adsense with affiliate banners from Commission Junction, Amazon, etc. in there to throw off Google - IF that is even a problem.

Duplicate content is only an issue if you have a do-follow link in it that goes directly back to the original source of the article.

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That's good to hear. I submitted to 10 SB sites and got indexed in a few hours, though only the domain, not all the pages.

I've created a few sites so far, but the main problem was getting ranked in Google. I keep submitting articles but the sites are still buried deep. Once I get organic search traffic, I'll be fine, as my CTR is good.

Do you have a list or something for the 50/100 SB sites? I followed a couple of lists for dofollow SB sites, but I'd be interested to know which ones you use.

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I have never had any of my websites sandboxed because of SBs. Sometimes I do 100 SBs on day 1 of the website going live. Never had any problems.

From my experience, it takes Google from 4 to 8 days to crawl all of the SBs (if I do 100, Google normally finds ~15 straight away and then 5-10 a day for the next 5-10 days).

After 25-50 bookmarks I normally get a temporary boost in rankings (like jump from positions 7-8 to 2-3) for a couple of days, and then my website goes back to where it was before SB submissions. I like SBs because once the links get picked up by Google, their bot seems to crawl my sites at least once a day, which helps with testing and stuff.

Articles provide higher quality backlinks. I don't really get any traffic from my articles, but the backlinks have a long(er) lasting effect.

I haven't tried submitting to ezine. I'm just too lazy to write 6-8 quality articles/day (plus content for 2 mini sites). I like all the automation features that UAW offers.

See, I'm a tech guy, not a writer... I like to automate stuff (once I get a nice system worked out). I never abuse any of the automation tools, but I do use them once I'm comfortable with doing the work manually and know what works and what needs to be done.

At the moment I'm well on my way to automating everything apart from content writing and keyword research (even that is more or less automated). So far it seems to be working for me. Getting clicks every day, it is good fun I gotta admit.

Once I get to $100/day, I'm going to diversify awaaay from Google, perhaps get a hundred or so CB sniper sites going, then try other contextual ad companies etc. I'm paranoid about my Google accounts being disabled, but hey, thats me!

p.s. I only use SBs for indexing purposes. Always get indexed within 4-12 hours of launching a site.
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Thanks for the help everyone.

I have another question for John or anyone else that may know the answer.

With a product related mini site that shows only adsense ads in text with no other affiliate programs such as amazon, where would I get the product photos from to place the 4 or 5 product photos in a row at the top of the site as discussed in this thread?

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I sure as heck hope the course will be ready today. John, give us an update please.
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Originally Posted by lonniewa2 View Post

I sure as heck hope the course will be ready today. John, give us an update please.
Read up a couple of posts as John said it will be a couple of days.

Originally Posted by XFactor View Post

It's going to be another couple of days guys.

I completely underestimated the time it takes to write my first
E-book, but this week for sure.

Don't worry, the internet is not going anywhere this week

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Originally Posted by lonniewa2 View Post

I sure as heck hope the course will be ready today. John, give us an update please.
Please read Tim's post above.

And I would prefer anyone to just email me instead of posting
a question on my course here on the thread.

These kinds of posts will get this thread deleted, which I also
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Let's not ruin it, thanks!

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I'm all set to go, just need some help with the domain name...
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Got a wordpress site up, just need to lock in on the domain name and I'm ready to go.

Can you guys help me with the best domain name for the search phrase
"keyword for sale"

Here are the available domains

Group 1
(keyword)forsale.net
(keyword)forsale.org
(keyword)forsalenow.com
best(keyword)forsale.com
(keyword)onsale.com

Group 2
(keyword)Blowout.com
(keyword)Wholesale.com
(keyword)AtCost.com

I'm torn between the value of getting the exact match keywords (group 1) in the domain name and getting a more brandable and less suspicious domain like those in group 2...

Whenever I see domains like group 1, my B.S. receptors naturally perk up, but I'm wondering if that's just me...
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(keyword)forsale.net would be my first choice
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(keyword)forsale.net would be my first choice
Thanks for the feedback. Would you choose the .net over the .org?

(keyword)forsale.org
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I've heard various recommendations on that, but most said that .org is the better way to go.
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(keyword)onsale.com without question. It's the shortest, it's a .com, and contains your primary keywords. "On", "for", etc., are mostly irrelevant.

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It's actually a toss up to be honest. Sometimes i'll grab the .org over .net, and sometimes the other way around. In terms of ranking well, i really haven't seen a difference amongst my sites.
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Thanks for the feedback. Would you choose the .net over the .org?

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Hey John,
I was wondering if I would be able to employ this same method except with blogs instead of websites? Also I started up a blog and tried to target a niche so I targetted Sandisk Memory Cards. Would this be a good niche to start off with? Here's the website below:
www(dot)sandiskmemorycard(dot)blogspot(dot)com

www.cpugamers.com
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I would not buy a .org in combination with the word "sale" in the domain name. Ask your not so Internet savvy family members and friends and .org will come back with the original meaning of this TLD and not with something commercial. The commercial intend is responding less to a .org.

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Originally Posted by exodian1 View Post

Hey John,
I was wondering if I would be able to employ this same method except with blogs instead of websites? Also I started up a blog and tried to target a niche so I targetted Sandisk Memory Cards. Would this be a good niche to start off with? Here's the website below:
www(dot)sandiskmemorycard(dot)blogspot(dot)com
Yes you have the right idea with your tight niche.

And yes, you can use blogs indeed. I just prefer the higher
CTR and better control of the layout that a plain static site
gives me.

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I have two questions:

First Question:::
I was buying a domain name and wasn't thinking. I used brandname-producttype-.com and I remembered reading that it's a bad idea because you might be asked to take it down by the Brand Company?

Since I already bought it ...you think it'd be a good idea to just go ahead and pursue it? It's got a very low competition and according to the GKWT is searched about 12k times a month.


Second Question:::
What information do you put on your pages? Price information and where to get the products?
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I have two questions:

First Question:::
I was buying a domain name and wasn't thinking. I used brandname-producttype-.com and I remembered reading that it's a bad idea because you might be asked to take it down by the Brand Company?

Since I already bought it ...you think it'd be a good idea to just go ahead and pursue it? It's got a very low competition and according to the GKWT is searched about 12k times a month.


Second Question:::
What information do you put on your pages? Price information and where to get the products?
1) Personally, I would go for it. The worse thing that can happen is
that you are told to take the site down. So always keep that in mind
when making such a choice.

2) I have talked several times about content creation on this thread.

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John....Thanks for this info man. You've lit a fire under me to just go and do the work and let the chips fall where they may. No more analysis paralysis!
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Hi John

Don't know if you saw my question above or not but I was just wondering where I could get product pictures for my mini adsense sites?

Usually I would just use the amazon pictures available for the product that I was promoting, but I believe you have said that you have found it better to not have amazon on your sites and just have the adsense ads.

So I was wondering where you get your product photos from to use in these type of sites?

Thanks John

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Originally Posted by madmagician

I was buying a domain name and wasn't thinking. I used brandname-producttype-.com and I remembered reading that it's a bad idea because you might be asked to take it down by the Brand Company?

Since I already bought it ...you think it'd be a good idea to just go ahead and pursue it? It's got a very low competition and according to the GKWT is searched about 12k times a month.
I would agree that your risk in using the domain is low. If the company finds out and is bothered by it, they generally will have their lawyer send you a C & D letter which is pretty scary the first time it happens. But if you contact them, you should be able to give them the domain and that will be the end of it. Only in rare cases will a company sue for damages. That may only be in cases where they think the domain owner has money and they feel they have a case.

Here's an idea I have mentioned on other forums: You can try contacting the company and asking for permission to speak well about their products on your site with their trademark. They may refuse, or not even respond, but they may also like getting the free advertising if they are not jerks or just stupid. At the very least you can save a copy of your email (send yourself a copy via email) and show that you tried to ask for their permission first.

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Hi John, fantastic thread! So much information here, thanks a lot!

I have a question..... You say you write 5, 10 or 15 articles a day? Where the heck do you get ideas for the content? You surely cant be an expert in every niche that you write about so you must get your ideas from somewhere? Do you write about products? If so, what sources of information do you use?

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Hi,

This is my first post so go easy on me!

I have been reading through your thread and think it is awesome so after having thought of pursuing Adsense sites, this has set it in stone for me to get the finger out and get cracking at firing up some niche sites.

I have downloaded MNF and performed a few searches on products that i am interested in. I have found a keyword phrase which under 'exact' search has:

Search Count - 2900
Exact Search - 92
Ad Cost - 3.42
OCI - 99%
SOC - 1 (only 8 allinanchor results)

What I want to know is:

1) Is this a good find and worth pursuing?
2) What should you be looking for in Search Count, Exact Search, Ad Cost, OCI, SOC??

Which should have high values and which should have low??

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Originally Posted by andyj00 View Post

Hi John, fantastic thread! So much information here, thanks a lot!

I have a question..... You say you write 5, 10 or 15 articles a day? Where the heck do you get ideas for the content? You surely cant be an expert in every niche that you write about so you must get your ideas from somewhere? Do you write about products? If so, what sources of information do you use?

Thanks.
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In an earlier post, he stated that only about 1 in 10 articles he writes are related to the page/site he's linking to and promoting in the resource box.

I find it hard to write articles about a specific topic I'm not an expert or passionate about too - even after doing bucketloads of research, the words just don't flow when the knowledge isn't your own and well organized inside your head.

However, I know that when given free reign to write about whatever I want in whatever manner I want, the words tend to flow easy and it's possible to churn out article after article.

Try it. Just make sure that there's something useful and sensical in what you write and you're not just spitting out dreamy thought babble that makes no sense to anyone reading it, and your articles will still be accepted and you should be fine.
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Hi,

This is my first post so go easy on me!

I have been reading through your thread and think it is awesome so after having thought of pursuing Adsense sites, this has set it in stone for me to get the finger out and get cracking at firing up some niche sites.

I have downloaded MNF and performed a few searches on products that i am interested in. I have found a keyword phrase which under 'exact' search has:

Search Count - 2900
Exact Search - 92
Ad Cost - 3.42
OCI - 99%
SOC - 1 (only 8 allinanchor results)

What I want to know is:

1) Is this a good find and worth pursuing?
2) What should you be looking for in Search Count, Exact Search, Ad Cost, OCI, SOC??

Which should have high values and which should have low??

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I only look at search count and soc. Then Google the keyword and look at the competition (page one). I say go for it. You'll most likely get onto page one without any backlinking (somewhere between positions 6 and 9). Try it.
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John probably already wrote about this and I am too lazy to go through the whole thread again.

Quick question:
If you find a great niche, is there a minimum CPC that you should go for, in other words would you pursue a great niche where the CPC is only, say $2 bucks?

Good luck to y'all.
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It has been stated that not all sites will be a success, and with the multiple small site approach obviously the occasional failure is not to be cried over.

But what makes a site unsuccessful? Failure to rank in the SERPs? Failure to attract visitors, or receiving plenty of visitors but failure to get a CTR? What is the most common of these, or are there other factors also?
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I only look at search count and soc. Then Google the keyword and look at the competition (page one). I say go for it. You'll most likely get onto page one without any backlinking (somewhere between positions 6 and 9). Try it.
See when you look at the competition on page one, is that for the keyword phrase on its own without any allintitle and quotes? And is that a a broad or exact search?

I really would like to know if the Exact Count should be high in the tens of thousands or be low, less than a hundred???

I'm going to try and set up my first site tonight and see how it goes. I am also going to try and write at least five articles and submit to at least 10 directories with some social bookmarking. If you say i shouldnt need backlinks for 6-9 then I would hope at least in the top 3.

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Ouch, got half of my sites de-indexed today (due to violating Google's quality guidelines). So there goes half of my income. Time to re-group.

Basically they emailed me back saying that "thin" affiliate-like websites do not meet their quality guidelines and I got a manual review = removed from index until fixed. Apparently, re-written product descriptions (some sites had 2-3, others 4-6) won't cut it.

No big deal, but re-inclusion could take up to a few months(?!) so I just deleted those sites that got penalized and registered a new batch of domains, this time with better keywords, etc. Good times, I love challenge.

I got a manual review because my Adsense income started going up after a long time of inactivity. All (around 12) mini sites got de-indexed at almost the same time.

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Originally Posted by reelfat View Post

Everyone needs to realize that the real threat is NOT that 'cease and desist' letter, it's the affiliate network kicking you out of their program. Read EPN's latest update. They will kick you out of their program if you're using trademarks in your domain names. Amazon and Adsense may likely follow suit.

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This is so true. People be careful with Adsense. You never know when they may add trademarks to their list of things that they will ban you for, from their program. They have been moving aggressively within the last year to clean house with even some vague guidelines that are subject to their interpretation..

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^ This suggests to me that this is a pretty risky model to follow? Isn't a small site with basic product reviews essentially what this whole thread is about? Or do you think it was the few pages that did it - I am aiming for 15-20 pages of content on my sites, but it is still effectively re-writing product descriptions!
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Ouch, got half of my sites de-indexed today (due to violating Google's quality guidelines). So there goes half of my income. Time to re-group.

Basically they emailed me back saying that "thin" affiliate-like websites do not meet their quality guidelines and I got a manual review = removed from index until fixed. Apparently, re-written product descriptions (some sites had 2-3, others 4-6) won't cut it.



weeeeeee
Ouch...Which is basically the same strategy that many are attempting to follow in this thread?

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so I just deleted those sites that got penalized and registered a new batch of domains, this time with better keywords, etc. Good times, I love challenge.


What do you mean by better keywords? So what are you going to do to these new sites that will be different?

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Ouch...Which is basically the same strategy that many are attempting to follow in this thread?

Kevin.
Nah, I don't think so. Well, not entirely anyways.

The sites that got penalized had very little content (3-4 250 word product descriptions), yet were ranking on page one for their keywords. So if you are doing the same - pray you don't get reviewed and add some 5-7 pages of content asap.

I must note that the penalized sites had no other outgoing links apart from Adsense ads. I truly believe now that it is important not too look like you put them reviews/descriptions out there only for people to click the ads.

Other sites with more content (10 pages or more), some pictures and a few outgoing links passed the review just fine.

From what I understand, the way your site "looks" does matter to the reviewer. Which makes sense anyways.

I also know that this had nothing to do with backlinks (2 mini sites were literally 1 day old, with 0 SBs or article links pointing to them) or duplicate content (all content was written by me). All of them got the exact same penalty from Google.

I'm now changing my strategy (slightly) for new sites. The idea is still good, and it's not difficult to make some nice money with Adsense.
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Nah, I don't think so. Well, not entirely anyways.

The sites that got penalized had very little content (3-4 250 word product descriptions), yet were ranking on page one for their keywords. So if you are doing the same - pray you don't get reviewed and add some 5-7 pages of content asap.

I must note that the penalized sites had no other outgoing links apart from Adsense ads. I truly believe now that it is important not too look like you put them reviews/descriptions out there only for people to click the ads.

Other sites with more content (10 pages or more), some pictures and a few outgoing links passed the review just fine.

From what I understand, the way your site "looks" does matter to the reviewer. Which makes sense anyways.

I also know that this had nothing to do with backlinks (2 mini sites were literally 1 day old, with 0 SBs or article links pointing to them) or duplicate content (all content was written by me). All of them got the exact same penalty from Google.

I'm now changing my strategy (slightly) for new sites. The idea is still good, and it's not difficult to make some nice money with Adsense.
Ok Thanks. It might also be a good idea to not build too many sites too fast so that they would not see a big jump in income. At least for people with inactive accounts.

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What do you mean by better keywords? So what are you going to do to these new sites that will be different?

Kevin.
I noticed how easy it was (for me anyways) to rank for most of the keywords. I also get loads of traffic from random long term searches I'd never even dream of.

So my new strategy is to pick a slightly more competitive phrase as the main keyword and build 15-25 page websites around that niche. Yeah, nothing new. But a lot safer (again, that is just my opinion).

Also, better keywords = slightly broader phrases. If I can think of at least 10-15 related (but not re-worded) phrases (to the main keyword/url), and SOC for the main phrase is less than 30 or 40 - it's killing time.

I'm not very good at SEO, but I'm getting there. Slowly.
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Should I put both affiliate links and adsense ads on my blog or just focus on adsense ads?

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It sounds like you just don't want to go from $0 - $1 per day to $15 - $30 per day in a short time. I would recommend building your sites, getting them indexed, and slowly adding your Adsense to them. If you want to add other advertising avenues at the beginning, then it could possibly help, but I doubt it would do too much. Just do what you can to stay under the radar and you should be fine.

Google's concern is providing quality information to their users, so if your info is basically just recompiled reviews, then that would not be considered high enough quality for Google and they won't like it if you get triggered for a manual review.

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Woop! Got my first click! Makes it all worthwhile. And so the empire begins...
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Hi John

Don't know if you saw my question above or not but I was just wondering where I could get product pictures for my mini adsense sites?

Usually I would just use the amazon pictures available for the product that I was promoting, but I believe you have said that you have found it better to not have amazon on your sites and just have the adsense ads.

So I was wondering where you get your product photos from to use in these type of sites?

Thanks John

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videos finished, but I'll chime in on a few questions now.

About pictures, sometimes you just have to grab them from
around the web.

Is this the best, most honest way of doing this? NO.

Should you do it? YOU DECIDE

Do I do it? Yes, when I have to.

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Originally Posted by andyj00 View Post

Hi John, fantastic thread! So much information here, thanks a lot!

I have a question..... You say you write 5, 10 or 15 articles a day? Where the heck do you get ideas for the content? You surely cant be an expert in every niche that you write about so you must get your ideas from somewhere? Do you write about products? If so, what sources of information do you use?

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Because, as discussed already in this thread, I write about stuff I know
and like most of the time.

Just because your site is about wine glasses, it doesn't mean you cannot
write about cars if cars is your passion, yet have your resource box link
to your sites.

And before you think of any more questions about this, take the time to
go through this thread. It has already been talked about.

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I only look at search count and soc. Then Google the keyword and look at the competition (page one). I say go for it. You'll most likely get onto page one without any backlinking (somewhere between positions 6 and 9). Try it.
Yep, me too.

Keep it simple folks!

Keeping this simple is the straightest route from A to Z.

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Originally Posted by Bounderby View Post

It has been stated that not all sites will be a success, and with the multiple small site approach obviously the occasional failure is not to be cried over.

But what makes a site unsuccessful? Failure to rank in the SERPs? Failure to attract visitors, or receiving plenty of visitors but failure to get a CTR? What is the most common of these, or are there other factors also?
Whatever factor you decide, really.

If earnings meant failure, then every one of my sites are a success.

If lack of top rankings meant failure then about 75% of my sites are
a success.

If low CTR is failure, then all of my sites are a success.

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Originally Posted by RaShon Wells View Post

Guys stop asking question and just start taking action this is my 5th day with adsense and Im already averaging $10 per day and I only have adsense on 3 of my 24 sites I made.
Congratulations on your success. But if you have put up 24 sites in 5 days I doubt you are a complete beginner like many of us, who seek reassurance of at least heading in the right direction. The first step is the hardest.

It has taken me three weeks to do some research, get a domain, get a WP theme up, write half a dozen posts, get an article approved on Ezine etc. And today I earned my first few pence! Unfortunately I still have a job and can't throw myself into this with your commitment. Yet.

I agree that we should start taking action, but no harm in asking questions along the way.
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Im wondering if it would be a good idea to put adsense on your site right out the gate rather than waiting a few days to even a few weeks. I think its much easier for a Human reviewer to see your site in the beginning but I could be wrong. Im also gonna test this as well.
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^ This suggests to me that this is a pretty risky model to follow? Isn't a small site with basic product reviews essentially what this whole thread is about? Or do you think it was the few pages that did it - I am aiming for 15-20 pages of content on my sites, but it is still effectively re-writing product descriptions!
I think it was mainly the lack of content. And lack of some header images/graphics. Those sites looked very, very simple and boring. With ads right below the title.

They left the ads running though, only de-indexed my sites so yeah. bitches.

Anyways, I got a new template up now, all nice and user friendly. Now to spread some "positive user experience" lol...
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