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Just checked one of my new Adsense sites which was position 16/page 2 in regular Google, is on page 9 on Google Caffeine. I wonder what experience others have with this new version of Google? Being on page 9 is not such fun...

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I have heard about a word press theme that is like John's template...can anyone give me a link to it ? I have set up 3 sites using an html template that I created with DW to follow John's theme, however, I find it a real pain to update every little thing on every page when making adjustments

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I desperately need that Wordpress theme too!
Can anyone help us, please?
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Originally Posted by kislany View Post

Just checked one of my new Adsense sites which was position 16/page 2 in regular Google, is on page 9 on Google Caffeine. I wonder what experience others have with this new version of Google? Being on page 9 is not such fun...
I have two sites that I can't find in google caffeine (without using quotation marks). I have one that is ranking better in it than its standard counterpart.

So you aren't the only one. I tried finding the two but quit after like page 50.
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Originally Posted by Avidpoet View Post

Vouche for Micro Niche Finder:

Now this took me about 4 hrs to find Im usually impatient and at one point I was just dumping anything into MNF and found a keyword 74,000 searches a month and it was in the green at 15 with 12,000 competing pages.

Thought I was dreaming because thats so odd so I restarted MNF again and once again the same results. Unfortunately I dont get paid again till next Wednesday so I cant register it I just pray that no one else finds it until I get some money.

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Do your own check into this. Sometimes the numbers are wrong. I found a kw pharse that got 44,000 searches a month. Set up a site, got backlinks, blah blah blah. Turns out, it gets nothing!

Found a few other phrases that MNF says gets a ton of results when in reality they don't.
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John FANTASTIC thread!

You are a patient man to put up with all the repetitive questions over and over.

A big Mahalo for all the information!

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Hi John

Thanks for all your tips - i bought your ebook and it is a fantastic read! One of the best things I have bought..

A quick question for anyone - how do you keep track of which accounts are making you money in adsense? When I pull up my adsense report, it only shows the total earnings for the day and I'm not sure how to drill down into it to get the earnings per website.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by redbox View Post

Hi John

Thanks for all your tips - i bought your ebook and it is a fantastic read! One of the best things I have bought..

A quick question for anyone - how do you keep track of which accounts are making you money in adsense? When I pull up my adsense report, it only shows the total earnings for the day and I'm not sure how to drill down into it to get the earnings per website.

Any advice would be appreciated!

Thanks!
Set up Channels within Adsense. Allocate a channel per ad. You will then know which ads are performing and which are not. Very important imformation for optimising.
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Originally Posted by dv8 View Post

Do your own check into this. Sometimes the numbers are wrong. I found a kw pharse that got 44,000 searches a month. Set up a site, got backlinks, blah blah blah. Turns out, it gets nothing!

Found a few other phrases that MNF says gets a ton of results when in reality they don't.
Thanks for sharing this.

In this case, I have a few questions:
  • You say "sometimes the numbers are wrong". How are we going to know they're not at any given time?
  • What do you do to find out the reality regarding data that MNF sometimes erroneously provides on a keyword's search volume?

If this is indeed happening, I'm curious why John hasn't mentioned this considering the importance of choosing the right keywords and the overall impact of not finding the right KWs/KWPs on one's strategic Adsense campaigns.

On the contrary, he seems to be very happy and confident about using MNF in running his Adsense business as much as he is happy with Xsite Pro.

Anyone else here have similar experiences with dv8?

Would really appreciate your thoughts on this as keyword research could make or break your online business.


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Originally Posted by wolfmmiii View Post

John....

I've located a keyword that garners about 7500 searches per month. However, the top 10 spots are as follows:

bizrate
bizrate
helium
helium
docstoc
ezinearticles
tootoomart
epinions
------------ (gives niche away)

Although many of these are high PR sites, none of them is niche specific and 3-5 of them are articles and such. Should I be following the same rule for these that you follow when seeing Amazon at the top of the page for a niche (run to the niche?).
This is a good point with regards to the competition on page 1 in Google. I guess you can use the tools all you like to tell you how competitive a keyword is (as a total number) but if page 1 is packed full of high authority, high PR sites, you wont get a look in. You wont make much cash on page 2 or 3 I'd of thought.

Is it possible to outrank a PR2, PR3 or even a PR4 site? How much work would be actually needed? ie how many articles and how many backlinks?
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Thanks Andy! is this soemthing i can do retrospectively or do I need to delete my adsense units and recreate them??

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Originally Posted by Razorblade View Post

Thanks for sharing this.

In this case, I have a few questions:
  • You say "sometimes the numbers are wrong". How are we going to know they're not at any given time?
  • What do you do to find out the reality regarding data that MNF sometimes erroneously provides on a keyword's search volume?

If this is indeed happening, I'm curious why John hasn't mentioned this considering the importance of choosing the right keywords and the overall impact of not finding the right KWs/KWPs on one's strategic Adsense campaigns.

On the contrary, he seems to be very happy and confident about using MNF in running his Adsense business as much as he is happy with Xsite Pro.

Anyone else here have similar experiences with dv8?

Would really appreciate your thoughts on this as keyword research could make or break your online business.
Razorblade,

All keyword tools display anomalies, including Google - which is where many of these tools, including MNF and Market Samurai, get their data.

This is something you develop a feel for as you gain experience.

Generally, it's a good idea to double-check before you go ahead and buy a domain and start building your site.

For instance, I'll use MNF to come up with a niche and set of 'candidate' keywords/phrases. Once I have my list, I'll drop them into Wordtracker's free tool (Free Keyword Suggestion Tool from Wordtracker) or SEOBook's free tool (Seo Book Keyword Suggestion Tool) to see if they jive. There's always a discrepency since both are extrapolating results, but when I find a keyword/phrase that looks especially good, and that doesn't jive with Wordtracker, I move on.

Just remember to take use similar phrase type, and take into account that some tools (MNF, Google) give you monthly searches, while some (Wordtracker, SEOBook, Market Samurai) give you daily search volume.

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Originally Posted by Avidpoet View Post

Vouche for Micro Niche Finder:

Now this took me about 4 hrs to find Im usually impatient and at one point I was just dumping anything into MNF and found a keyword 74,000 searches a month and it was in the green at 15 with 12,000 competing pages.

Thought I was dreaming because thats so odd so I restarted MNF again and once again the same results. Unfortunately I dont get paid again till next Wednesday so I cant register it I just pray that no one else finds it until I get some money.

MNF is a beast
You sure spiked my curiosity with that one. I want it of course, but if you are too hard up to register a domain name......!!!!

The domain name and on site SEO makes a difference though. I put up my first one of these sites early this week. I realized after I got started that I did not pick my niche very well (not enough searches) and don't think I did so well with the site content. Already getting a little search engine traffic and a couple of (ok one!) adense click though. The only reason google even knows my site exists is because I put a link to it from a blog I have. None of the articles I submitted for the site have been approved yet.

Anyway, shows the power of having keywords in the domain name. Do not see any other way I can be getting even a little search engine traffic at this stage.

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Razorblade,

All keyword tools display anomalies, including Google - which is where many of these tools, including MNF and Market Samurai, get their data.

This is something you develop a feel for as you gain experience.

Generally, it's a good idea to double-check before you go ahead and buy a domain and start building your site.

For instance, I'll use MNF to come up with a niche and set of 'candidate' keywords/phrases. Once I have my list, I'll drop them into Wordtracker's free tool (Free Keyword Suggestion Tool from Wordtracker) or SEOBook's free tool (Seo Book Keyword Suggestion Tool) to see if they jive. There's always a discrepency since both are extrapolating results, but when I find a keyword/phrase that looks especially good, and that doesn't jive with Wordtracker, I move on.

Just remember to take use similar phrase type, and take into account that some tools (MNF, Google) give you monthly searches, while some (Wordtracker, SEOBook, Market Samurai) give you daily search volume.

Mark

Thanks a lot for your response, Mark.

John, any thoughts on this? Keyword research sure doesn't sound as complicated as this according to your guide.

In fact, you keep stressing throughout the ebook to keep things simple. I don't think using MNF in conjunction with other keyword tool is not your idea of keeping things simple.

If keyword tools sometimes behave erratically and provide anomalies in data output (including MNF), is this reason enough for me to deviate from your consistent advise of keeping things simple exactly like you outline in the guide?

I have no intention of glossing over small details but I think I'm not over-complicating things if I make sure that my efforts at picking the right keywords to use are right on track and are being done properly. It's doing things the smart way, not the hard way, right?

So, John, you're the teacher here: should I completely rely on MNF or use it together with other keyword tool?


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Hey John. Great topic here.

All these questions people asked must have helped a lot
when you were writing your ebook, since you already knew
some/most of their doubts.

As I was reading the thread, I copied all your answers in a
Word document: 58 pages of advices, after reducing the
font size to 8.5 and doing some diagramming. I'll go through
it tonight once again and take notes -- I learn better on
paper.

I've been looking forward to a guide on Adwords for a while.
There are a few things I liked about this thread. Two things,
for starters: it was very free of hype, nobody trying to force
a product purchase down my throat with tons of emails. You
managed to make me read 32 pages of your content, as
simple as that.

Not only the content is good, but I also felt I could relate to
your story. Working too hard, results below expectations/goals,
unhappy. As a matter of fact, I have just unsubscribed from
a bunch of IM lists. I already bought way too many products,
don't need more of them. I just wanna go back to the basics.

And last, but not least, the entire thread is a wonderful lesson
on how a person can soft launch an IM product with a WSO.
Your title is a huge copywriting lesson -- not to mention the
ebook writing process, the private forum that will or will not
come...

And also, the quality content. You gave away all your stuff,
and yet people are willing to pay you for an organized version
of this thread. I would be one of them (I'm interested in your
bonuses), but I'm having problems with my credit card.

You are a very smart guy, helping others thrive with your
techniques. Surely a win-win situation, which is why you deserve
to reach your $1,000 daily goal ASAP.

Best,
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Still happens to me, but I move my work like a train so it does not
bother me that it takes so long.

Fill the pipeline everyday with articles and then it will not matter how
long they take to get accepted, because new ones will be approved
every day.

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You are right John. This whole process is like a machine, a conveyor belt. Just constantly moving!
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Originally Posted by Razorblade View Post

So, John, you're the teacher here: should I completely rely on MNF or use it together with other keyword tool?
Here is my take on this.

Just using MNF or a dozen keyword tools are both just fine and there is no right or wrong way of dong it.

John just uses MNF and keeping it simple seems to have worked out just fine for him.

You could do a lot more research but in the days that someone spends running their keywords with every KW tool available John has probably found a new keyword, registered the domain, written and submitted a dozen articles and found a new keyword to work on.
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Originally Posted by Razorblade View Post

Thanks a lot for your response, Mark.

John, any thoughts on this? Keyword research sure doesn't sound as complicated as this according to your guide.

In fact, you keep stressing throughout the ebook to keep things simple. I don't think using MNF in conjunction with other keyword tool is not your idea of keeping things simple.

If keyword tools sometimes behave erratically and provide anomalies in data output (including MNF), is this reason enough for me to deviate from your consistent advise of keeping things simple exactly like you outline in the guide?

I have no intention of glossing over small details but I think I'm not over-complicating things if I make sure that my efforts at picking the right keywords to use are right on track and are being done properly. It's doing things the smart way, not the hard way, right?

So, John, you're the teacher here: should I completely rely on MNF or use it together with other keyword tool?
Mark already gave you a good reply on this.

Basically, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. In my case, I was looking at 44,000 searches and a SOC of below 20 in MNF. And my own research told me I would dominate the competition. But again, turns out that the 44k number is false.

So again, if it seem to good to be true, it probably is. Like in your case, I am gonna go out on a limb and say the numbers are wrong. I mean come on, the odds of someone finding a niche with a TON of searches per month and little competition is slim to none.


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I have no intention of glossing over small details but I think I'm not over-complicating things if I make sure that my efforts at picking the right keywords to use are right on track and are being done properly. It's doing things the smart way, not the hard way, right?
I don't know how long you've been following this thread, but you do have his course. If you've had it since it came out, then you are making excuses as to not doing anything with it yet. It's been out long enough.

And I sense a bit of frustration toward John in your post. Like it's his fault that Google gives false results. And before you say "no, but he makes it seem so simple" don't forget he has made it VERY CLEAR that his course outlines how HE currently operates. But here you are asking him somethign he has already explained numerous times. Like you are expecting him to give you some secret answer. He already shared everything.

If you still aren't acting at this point, it's not his fault.

Furthermore, according to your sig, you own an article writing company. You should be killing it by now in this business!! It's all about writing good content. That is the hardest part, constantly writing content. And you have that part down but instead get hung up on other stuff.
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And I sense a bit of frustration toward John in your post. Like it's his fault that Google gives false results. And before you say "no, but he makes it seem so simple" don't forget he has made it VERY CLEAR that his course outlines how HE currently operates. But here you are asking him somethign he has already explained numerous times. Like you are expecting him to give you some secret answer. He already shared everything.

If you still aren't acting at this point, it's not his fault.
Sorry, you got me wrong there. I'm not blaming anyone.

John says to keep things simple. He says use MNF. Did he say we use it along with other KW tool? If I missed it, please excuse me.

Then someone says use MNF together with some KW research tool out there.

Is it wrong to get things cleared up if this has kind of confused a newbie like me?

I'm asking John for guidance, nothing else. I'm not blaming him for anything. How could I do that when his course is THE most valuable ebook I've ever spent my hard-earned money ever?

What I was having concern with was the advice to use MNF together with other other KW research tool. I wanted to be certain about what to do next.

Next time, please read contextually.


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Do your own check into this. Sometimes the numbers are wrong. I found a kw pharse that got 44,000 searches a month. Set up a site, got backlinks, blah blah blah. Turns out, it gets nothing!

Found a few other phrases that MNF says gets a ton of results when in reality they don't.
Yes that is true, it is very important NOT to rely on 1 source only , as sometimes these keyword tools can be very inaccurate.

I use Market Samurai which IMO is a fantastic tool because of all the great features it offers, however I will still go to Google free keyword tool to double check the search volume....

Now in most cases the numbers never add up...there are usually huge discrepancies between ALL keyword research tools....

However the idea is to see if there is a decent search volume from all keyword search tools and base your decision off of that..

For ex. If MS shows 300 broad searches a day and Google tool tells me only 1000 broad search per 12 months average....then it may not be the best keyword to go after, even if competition is low....

I will sometimes even use Wordtracker free tool to do a 3rd check...however I find WT to be really out of the ball park in many cases in regards to search Volume

In the end you have to be the judge, only experience will help you with that...the only way to get experince is to push ahead and keep building and promoting sites...eventually you start to develop a "sense" of things.

I am sure John has developed quite a good sense of things and this is what helps him determine what KW's to go after....

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Furthermore, according to your sig, you own an article writing company. You should be killing it by now in this business!! It's all about writing good content. That is the hardest part, constantly writing content. And you have that part down but instead get hung up on other stuff.
You call keyword research "other stuff"? Man, it could make or break your online business. It's not just "other stuff".

Content production has never been a problem to me. Picking the right keyword is. That's where I am extra careful, that's where I ask questions. Because I believe it's a very crucial stage in setting up your business online.


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Do your own check into this. Sometimes the numbers are wrong. I found a kw pharse that got 44,000 searches a month. Set up a site, got backlinks, blah blah blah. Turns out, it gets nothing!

Found a few other phrases that MNF says gets a ton of results when in reality they don't.

Thanks for the heads up on this! Wordtracker shows 5 searches a day and Google SKTool shows 230 searches. It is a 4 word keyphrase with the brand name being the 1st keyword what Im gonna do is take off the brand name and play around with it a bit.
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One thing I haven't seem mentioned either in this thread or in John's course is the best way to structure your site.

IMO, The home page should be tied to the most competitive keyword phrase and the easier phrases should be "under" it.

One reason for this is that on each article you're linking to the home page as well as a "deep" page. Your home page will get 4-6 times more backlinks as your inner pages. Even if you mix it up more and link to two random pages with each article (like I do), each inner page will pass link juice back up to the home page.

Often this is a non-issue since the more general keyword phrase is the one with the most searches, but that's not always the case. For example, on one site I'm starting a very model-specific phrase gets 8x the searches and has 3x the competition than the more generic phrase I've found.

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If you are following John's methods, then you are already checking SpyFu for the adsense cost. To the right of the adsense cost in SpyFu is the daily searches. So, double checking the search volume does not need to complicate things as you are already using more than one tool and just need to examine all the information you have at your disposal at each step in the process.

I would also like to add that John is one man with a great system that he has graciously shared free in this thread and gone on to develop an incredible product. He himself says that you should experiment and test. He didn't get to where he is by blindly following what someone else told him. He experimented, tested tested tested, analyzed, and incorporated findings into a system.

If you take massive consistent action, no doubt you can make a lot of money without straying from his system. But you're far better off continuing to refine your own process along the way.

As far as the search volume discrepancies go, you may not have the gut feel dialed in that John has. I sure don't. There are other threads around here that detail how to use adwords to get a more accurate outlook on this. I have been thinking about doing this, but I don't want to screw up the CTR on my only adwords account. So, I personally won't do this unless and until I open another adwords account for testing purposes. Then again, maybe it isn't worth the extra effort. This is a decision no one can make for you. To some the extra effort is better spent putting content out there. Not everything is going to be a winner, but if you keep putting stuff out there, you will make money.

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Is anybody able to help us out on the Wordpress theme problem many of us are going through, please?

Many of us are not web designers.

At least give us a lead of what free wptheme we can start from (no hard coding or minimum).

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The wordpress theme will be offered soon (i'm expecting any number of hours actually ), it's all packaged up with instructions, and will be offered only to John's customers. I even created an install video.
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Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.
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The wordpress theme will be offered soon (i'm expecting any number of hours actually ), it's all packaged up with instructions, and will be offered only to John's customers. I even created an install video.
I understand now!
It is all about money$$$$$$$!
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Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.
Yes MNF is very tricky sometimes.
Always have to double check chosen kw values with big G
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Yes MNF is very tricky sometimes.
Always have to double check chosen kw values with big G
Yup...this was a hard lesson to learn. I probably spent about $50 on domains that MNF had extremely low competition when in fact they had extremely high competition. Just crazy man.
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I am afraid you have made two fundamental errors.

1. It is "external hard drive reviews" which gets 29700 searches in broad match on Google. "external hard drives reviews" gets 4400 broad match searches on Google.
2. You should have set googles keyword tool to exact or phrase match to get the same searches as MNF.

It is not the fault of MNF as it just takes it's search data from Google anyway. Also there are many different Google data centres which all have slightly different data as well.

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Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.

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I understand now!
It is all about money$$$$$$$!
So let me get this straight...you want him to give you his template for FREE so you can use it to MAKE MONEY?

AffiliIt Review - I am making serious bank. You can too!
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I am afraid you have made two fundamental errors.

1. It is "external hard drive reviews" which gets 29700 searches in broad match on Google. "external hard drives reviews" gets 4400 broad match searches on Google.
2. You should have set googles keyword tool to exact or phrase match to get the same searches as MNF.

It is not the fault of MNF as it just takes it's search data from Google anyway. Also there are many different Google data centres which all have slightly different data as well.
No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.
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So let me get this straight...you want him to give you his template for FREE so you can use it to MAKE MONEY?
Who cares anyway. It one big footprint unless you change it up a bit each time.
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And that's the beauty of the wordpress theme system..the ease of use to change it up so you don't leave footprints.

One of the BEST things about wordpress, and this is straight from the mouth of one the top guys at Google, is that wordpress is a great platform to work off of. Matt Cutt's figures it's already 70% SEO'd out of the box. It doesn't take that much to rank well with wordpress.

But again, read what John is saying, it's all about what you:

name the site
provide the little to moderate amount of content needed
and how you seo it up a little bit.

That's it. All of your legwork is really done when you identify that keyword that has good adsense penetration, as I like to call it, and then create the content which allows the SE's to pick you up.
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Who cares anyway. It one big footprint unless you change it up a bit each time.
Does this footprint thing really exist? I've heard Google penalizes for footprints but how can it if millions of people using the same Wordpress\Joomla etc templates? Even static HTML templates are given away with most programs like Dreamweaver.

Surely the content is what makes a page individual.

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No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.
Google shows 1800 competing sites for "external hard driveS reviews" with quotes??

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No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.
This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.

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This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.
Agreed. Currently it's staying at 29,100. Basically if you find a result of 500 or lower competing sites in MNF it's probably wrong (bugged).

Check it by doing a Google search or that gem may turn out to be a coal.
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This IS a little concerning. I always double check the MNF stats directly with Google, but it's still odd that there can be such a discrepancy. Even odder is that when I checked for exact phrase in Google I initially got 29,100 results. After several refreshes it dropped to 1,880 exact phrase results.
Also, I dare ya to find an SOC that is correct. I haven't found 1 yet after testing 10 phrases. I mean they are waaaayyyy off.

Example: samsung flat screen tv

MNF allintitle = 81
Google search on allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" = 2,790

WOW...

Now that SOC of a pretty green 15 goes up to a red for sure...
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Hi everyone,
After reading a lot of the most recent posts, I just thought I would share some of my results, just as FYI.

I have other adsense sites and have always done all of my keyword research the hard way with WorkTracker, SEO Book and Google Keyword Tool. After reading John's course and a lot of this thread, I purchased MNF. Let me just say that it has made my research so much easier.

After I picked my keywords from MNF that I liked, I looked at the clicks and volume on SpyFu, I did some google searches to look at the listings and then I picked 5 out of the bunch and ran with them.

I chose to complete all my site pages before uploading to the web. I loaded my first site around 8/10 and my second site on 8/16. I posted 2 articles to GoArticles for each site and my Ezinearticles are just sitting waiting approval like the rest of you. I am not new to Ezinearticles and I have not had them take this long in the past to approve articles. Maybe they all just went on vacation.

I uploaded my 3rd site yesterday but have not had time to get articles completed for it yet.
My first 2 sites are floating around on pages 1 and 2 of Google for the primary keyword and another of the keywords and on pages 4 and 5 for the other keywords.

I have already started receiving clicks. This morning when I checked I had 4 clicks to the first site and 3 to the second site. My take for these was $3.02. I have also received one or two clicks a day for the first site for the last few days. I just logged on to my account to get the amount for you and found that I had already had 6 clicks to the second site today for earning of $2.01.

My first niche is in the computer niche because that is something I am familiar with.

My MNF info is as follows:
Keyword 1: Exact Searches 1900 Listings 2860 SOC 6 CPC 8.55
Keyword 2: Exact Searches 1000 Listings 51 SOC 0 CPC 7.09
Keyword 3: Exact Searches 1900 Listings 509 SOC 0 CPC 2.68
Keyword 4: Exact Searches 1600 Listings 8600 SOC 9 CPC 5.12
Keyword 5: Exact Searches 2400 Listings 9720 SOC 5 CPC 4.04

In my content I blended in some of the other keywords that I had originally picked and chose not to use as pages.

Now, don't over analyse all this. I'm just like John. I'm just sharing in the hopes that it will help someone.

The other thing that might be of interest to you is that in checking my Google analytics stats I noticed that my site is being found in the natural search by other long tail keywords that I didn't even pick or consider. I followed those and found that my site actually ranks higher for those keywords than for the keywords that I picked. I have not yet gone to see what kind of search volume that those long term keywords get.

Some may look at this and say well that's not so great. But, it's a start and it shows me that it can grow and be profitable with a little bit more effort on my part. I'll have to say that I have other sites that have been around a while and took a lot longer to start showing results.

I just did the best I could in picking keywords and jumped in. My expectation is that the first 10 or so websites will be a learning curve for me and after that I should be better at all this. I'm like someone else on the thread said, as long as they pay for themselves and I'm getting better at this then I'm good with it.

Hope my experiences so far will help some of you.

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Also, I dare ya to find an SOC that is correct. I haven't found 1 yet after testing 10 phrases. I mean they are waaaayyyy off.

Example: samsung flat screen tv

MNF allintitle = 81
Google search on allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" = 2,790

WOW...

Now that SOC of a pretty green 15 goes up to a red for sure...
MNF support responds to my ticket.

Hi Matt,

What you're seeing is a Google bug --- *not* a Micro Niche Finder bug.

We discovered several weeks ago that Google provides false result numbers --- sometimes on the exact same search ran twice in the same browser session --- when your Google preferences (on their web site, not in Micro Niche Finder) is set to return 10 results per page. We do not know if this is intentional, or if it is a software bug.

We found in our testing that their numbers were much more reliable when the preferences are set to 100 results per page, so we reconfigured Micro Niche Finder to force Google to return 100 results at a time, and published an update.

When I did the allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" search (with the default 10 results), I got a count of 459 from Google. Upon clicking the page navigation links at the bottom of the page, on Page 8 the results count "magically" changed to 80.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

Created by Camtasia Studio 6


When I changed my preferences on Google's site to return 100 results per page, I got a result count of "1 - 84 of about 80"... Which, on the surface, appears to still be a Google bug. I've attached a screenshot of the search count after changing the preferences to 100.
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Some may look at this and say well that's not so great. But, it's a start and it shows me that it can grow and be profitable with a little bit more effort on my part.
I think that's fantastic. I just bought my first two domains and have started writing content. Even if I could average $1 per day per domain over the long term I would haul butt to make 50 sites. Extra money is extra money.
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Many of us are not web designers.

At least give us a lead of what free wptheme we can start from (no hard coding or minimum).

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Sorry Mrizos, I misread your question, I thought you meant number of searches.. You are absolutely right, I am getting the same thing here.

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No, I was targeting the phrase "external hard driveS reviews". I know how many exact match searches it gets, but what I was trying to get from
mnf was the exact competition which is where it was way off:

mnf said it had 74 competing sites. A google search shows the correct amount of competing sites at 29700!

Now, if mnf gets all it's data from google then I call that one big bug.

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Thats interesting and in reality it isn't actually a bug. You don't even need to set google to 100 in preferences. Just do a normal phrase match search for "external hard drives reviews" in google and it tells you there are about 1840 results.. Click on the page 10 listing at the bottom and suddenly that changes to just 76 results..

This is pretty normal behaviour for google. For some reason they always show how many sites they have in their index when you do your search but when you start to go deeper they always cut off at a much much lower number of results. So MNF is actually returning the right results.

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MNF support responds to my ticket.

Hi Matt,

What you're seeing is a Google bug --- *not* a Micro Niche Finder bug.

We discovered several weeks ago that Google provides false result numbers --- sometimes on the exact same search ran twice in the same browser session --- when your Google preferences (on their web site, not in Micro Niche Finder) is set to return 10 results per page. We do not know if this is intentional, or if it is a software bug.

We found in our testing that their numbers were much more reliable when the preferences are set to 100 results per page, so we reconfigured Micro Niche Finder to force Google to return 100 results at a time, and published an update.

When I did the allintitle:"samsung flat screen tv" search (with the default 10 results), I got a count of 459 from Google. Upon clicking the page navigation links at the bottom of the page, on Page 8 the results count "magically" changed to 80.

You can see what I'm talking about here:

Created by Camtasia Studio 6


When I changed my preferences on Google's site to return 100 results per page, I got a result count of "1 - 84 of about 80"... Which, on the surface, appears to still be a Google bug. I've attached a screenshot of the search count after changing the preferences to 100.

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Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.
Who cares!! If the competition sucks it doesn't matter if there is one competing page or 40 million.

Why don't people understand this?!?!
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Originally Posted by mrizos View Post

Has anyone else noticed that MNF's "get exact phrase count" is completely broken???

I wasted about 20 bucks on some .com's because of this crap. Here is an example:

"external hard drives reviews" - MNF exact phrase count = 74
Doing a google search for "external hard drives reviews" = 29,700

....this sucks big time. I found out that about 6 of my .coms are a complete waste of time thanks to this bug.
Always double-check your keywords once a good one is found.

Google brings back some broken data to MNF (and other tools) all
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