Invisible penalty? Or what's happening?

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Hello,

I need to share my situation because I have no idea what to do.

I had many clients for SEO and I'm doing pretty good industry except one specific client - here it is. [EDITED]

It had huge traffic and results in previous years and months till the penalty came to them because previous SEOers have done massive amount of spammy links.

I took this client and I fixed a manual penalty (visible in GWT, all spammy links are in disavow right now) but still even though it's good website and has some very good natural links from forums, it still has results like it would be some fresh website (or even worse).

Does anybody have any hypothesis? Is it algorithmic penalty? How to get through this?
#happening #invisible #penalty
  • Profile picture of the author Patho
    The site is WAY TOO overoptimized in terms of your anchor text profile. It triggered the Penguin penalty, because of your anchor text pattern.

    (Prom dresses, dresses, dresses this dress that)

    Just check below on MajesticSEO

    https://www.majesticseo.com/reports/...exDataSource=H

    I would diversify your anchor text by building so-called BRAND links to it like.

    Brandname, Naked URL, Brand name + niche, generic like click here and stuff...
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  • Profile picture of the author Patron13
    The problem is, most of these links are disavowed and you think still they may impact rankings, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
      Originally Posted by Patron13 View Post

      The problem is, most of these links are disavowed and you think still they may impact rankings, right?
      Disavowing links won't lift a penalty right away, so those links are more than likely still affecting your site's rankings. You have to be a bit more patient and wait for the disavowal to take full effect.
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      • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
        Originally Posted by SEO Power View Post

        Disavowing links won't lift a penalty right away, so those links are more than likely still affecting your site's rankings. You have to be a bit more patient and wait for the disavowal to take full effect.
        Even Matt Cutts says this, how disavowing is not enough anymore. And, many times you have to approach the site owners where the spammy link was placed and ask them to remove the link to your site. That is one of the only sure ways to get rid of those backlinks.
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        • Profile picture of the author DizenSounds
          Originally Posted by Samuel Adams View Post

          Even Matt Cutts says this, how disavowing is not enough anymore. And, many times you have to approach the site owners where the spammy link was placed and ask them to remove the link to your site. That is one of the only sure ways to get rid of those backlinks.
          The truth is that disavow just doesn't work. Most people mistaken the links being removed naturally because of sites dying as the disavow working.

          The reason for the disavow is for Google to help refine algorithms like Penguin, and trigger manually penalties. Not to discount links.

          Matt Cutts tells everyone to remove the links and not just disavow them and hope that it works.
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          • Profile picture of the author Laubster
            Originally Posted by DizenSounds View Post

            The truth is that disavow just doesn't work. Most people mistaken the links being removed naturally because of sites dying as the disavow working.

            The reason for the disavow is for Google to help refine algorithms like Penguin, and trigger manually penalties. Not to discount links.

            Matt Cutts tells everyone to remove the links and not just disavow them and hope that it works.
            That's not entirely true, some people are recovering their sites, but they usually have to wait 2-3 months. So unless it's a client or valuable brand domain it's prob. not worth is.
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    • Profile picture of the author sweezeter
      Originally Posted by Patron13 View Post

      The problem is, most of these links are disavowed and you think still they may impact rankings, right?
      They are impacting your rankings because they still exist. You could disavow all you want and never see any results.

      The only way to have them not count is to remove them. Based on what I can see I would recommend hiring a link removal service to help you out. I've had Link Delete help me when I need to remove links for clients and my own domains.

      When you start building links again in the future don't over-optimize the links like this client had done (or previous SEO). Otherwise it will always be a battle.
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      • Profile picture of the author 1nsan3
        Google have said it could take months to see any benefit to the disavow tool. Probably because they don't want people spamming and then getting quick gains when they cock up.

        If you've not used any keyword monitoring tools then you don't know your links, only Google will know, but it's likely for such heavy spam that they've applied a 6 month penalty to your site. (this is due to the deleted links)

        I would say build out another 15% raw links (http) that are relevant and wait 6 months and it might pass.

        You've got a lot of work to do, just under 5000 quality links before Google will kiss and make up... but it's likely that they will want to see you make an effort there, so remove some of them if you can (anchors) and it might make the process less painful.

        Otherwise join a relevant forum and start contributing, this will probably be the bulk of your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I looked at the 1st 1,000 links on the OP link profile & they're all junk links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ryan3
    If your gonna build spam links at least don't be lazy and filter them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patron13
    Ok, so you think contacting webmasters to delete links may help even if manual penalty was already taken about 2-3 months ago?

    And what should I do to make this process faster? Index websites after link removal? Updating disavow tool (removing links which doesn't exist anymore)?
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