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Icematikx

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

It doesn't matter how hard you try to disguise your PBN, it's obvious to a manual reviewer either way. Nobody has a PR4 site, that they use to post "personal experiences" and link to random companies/amazon sites in every post. If a manual reviewer uncovers your whole network, you can bet you're getting dropped..

Ice I have seen networks that are going nowhere and you would never know they are networks. Of course if you are linking out to all kinds of sites and amazon page then theres no hiding it but not everyone is running a PBN to promote amazon sites or even different kinds of companies. Some SEOs for example specialize in a niche - law, real estate, Fashion, Medical so the links are as organic as looking as real sites covering those subjects.

PBNs do NOT have to be a short term strategy although if you are into affiliate marketing etc then perhaps it will be.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Lately I had a customer ask me for a few links on niche relevant sites, I got some for him in the home improvement niche.

After I delivered the report he says to me: "I ordered niche relevant ones, what is this?"

I automatically assumed my VA messed up by posting it on a wrong set of sites but that wasn't the case so I told him: "What's up, the site contains articles about a roofer, electrician, house decorations, and all that, I don't see a single article that doesn't match with "contractors / home improvement".

Guess what, he shows me a screenshot of Ahrefs that shows the backlinks to the site, nothing niche relevant about that obvious, one site was about some non profit organization, the other one belonged to some fashion designer and so on.

So yes making a site look more natural by blogging in personal experience might help a little bit, but I think when a manual reviewer suspects you of selling links they will look a little deeper and the first glance at the backlink profile will show it all.

You just admit how hard it is to find solid domains these days, let alone domains that have a link profile that matches to the niche of the client.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

So yes making a site look more natural by blogging in personal experience might help a little bit, but I think when a manual reviewer suspects you of selling links they will look a little deeper and the first glance at the backlink profile will show it all.

You just admit how hard it is to find solid domains these days, let alone domains that have a link profile that matches to the niche of the client.

Nope. I mean anything is possible but thats a stretch. I don't see you being penalized for that. Why?

Simple among .com .net .org the stats indicate 60%+ domains registered have been used before. SO for google to penalize your site because the backlink profile has links not related wouldn't work since the links can come from before you owned them even for those NOT running a PBN PLUS sites can change focus and direction just as companies over the year so difference means little

No your PBN get s dinged for the content and links on it not the links pointing to it.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Nope. I mean anything is possible but thats a stretch. I don't see you being penalized for that. Why?

Simple among .com .net .org the stats indicate 60%+ domains registered have been used before. SO for google to penalize your site because the backlink profile has links not related wouldn't work since the links can come from before you owned them even for those NOT running a PBN PLUS sites can change focus and direction just as companies over the year so difference means little

No your PBN get s dinged for the content and links on it not the links pointing to it.

Works all great if you niche is so easy that you're done with links from a handful domains, once you start to talk about links from dozen domains it does become quite obvious. No matter how natural the content looks.

I think the only way is to step away from the whole lame blogging thing and start to build real sites with everything around it, and actually link build them to dillute the anchor profile. Expireddomains.net can be quite handy for that, pick up PR1's and PR2's for $10,- that ARE relevant to your niche (not so hard to find) and juice them up and then sprinkle in a few real strong PR4-PR5's that might not be relevant and then you probably get away with it. But all that is probably already way too expensive for most.

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AK86

10 years ago

I've been doing SEO for a little while now and the whole concept of a Private Blog Network really doesn't make any sense to me.

As far as I understand it is, you have a "money site", then you create a network of blogs, which Google isn't supposed to be able to tell that they are linked in any way, then you use this network of blogs to gain your "money site" back links?

This just seems redundant to me. Let's say for example you are starting fresh:
Money Site: PR 0, High Alexa, Low Traffic etc
PBN Site 1: Same
PBN Site 2: Same
PBN Site 3: Same

What benefit does your money site get from being linked to from a bunch of thin sites which happen to be related? Relevant content matters yes, but so does the authority of the sites linking. So in my mind, to make it worth while, you would have to build SEO not only for your money site, but additionally for all sites within the PBN, to make the links they send out even worth a fraction of the time spent on them.

Why not just focus all efforts on building a quality "money site" and once it is relatively profitable, $500-1000 per month revenue at least, then build another "money site" which is related.

Lets say first site is a site where people discuss the meaning of song lyrics, then the second site could be a site where users share music videos, etc and focus your link building strategies on pre-existing platforms leading back to your sites like a YouTube Channel, Fan Page, Twitter, Tumblr, Pinterest, Flickr, any niche-specific social sites, -always- create a blogspot for your websites as well and link back to the main site- provide summary content on blogspot with title optimized to a variation of the title on main website and link back, Squidoo lenses, Yahoo Answers.

Basically provided authoritative content on community websites to engage your audience and the linking back, from personal blogs and other websites, will occur naturally. Some of the best back links I've ever gotten have happened without any work on my end.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

I guarantee PBN's are top of Google's priority list, and they are working on an algorithm to somehow try and target them. It won't last for much longer. .

People have been saying that for years just like they have bee saying google would snuff out bought links. I'll say it

Its IMPOSSIBLE

You cannot stop people from buying links and you can not stopthem from buying domains and using them. PBNs will go completely out when links are no longer used. Thats it. Now can you slap the market so that 90% of the people working a technique get slapped? perhaps but its just like what people are saying about guest blogging....Oooooh never do a guest blog post Google will get you! ....LOL

No they won''t. Every new writer hired by a Blog or newpaper isn't getting slapped. Neither are syndicated columnists? Nope. They are fine and dandy but as is always the case marketers do it their lazy way and then say its all over and dead when the lazy spammy way of doing something catches up with them.

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nik0

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I don't see PBN's dieing either, things will definitely become harder though, as in more expensive and that's all there is to it really.

Although Hayden's method is heavily saturated those domains are losing their links and soon those people are left empty handed and the competition will dwindle and automatically it will all become less competitive as they are way too scared to hand out $250,- for a solid PR4 domain.

For me as a service provider, at some point that will die out as I'm in the low budget scene, and with domain prices increasing. and the costs of setting up things increasing as well I will be forced to outprice myself at some point. Only this week I once increased my prices again to $149/month. About a year ago I charged $99/month, so that's already a 50% increase. Sure the service improved but the domains definitely got a lot more expensive.

More then a year ago I had an almost endless stream of dropped PR3 domains for $35,- and PR4 domains for $70,-. Nowadays I get the PR3's for $50-$60 and the PR4's for $225+. That's quite a difference isn't it. Sure the PR4's are expired (non dropped) but I haven't noticed any difference in strength when I started to buy those non dropped PR4's.

Either way I don't worry, while the amount of clients decreases, the competition in affiliate niches decreases as well, and thus my affiliate income will increase as I'm not scared to buy expensive domains to accomplish my goals.

That's what I'm doing right now, filling the gap with affiliate income and at some point I will have so many affiliate sites that it becomes a private network of it's own that looks more real then anything ever build. Then focus on some real gems like PR5's and PR6's to give some real boosting power and all should be fine

And if all really fails, well, can always start some offline business right

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

...at some point I will have so many affiliate sites that it becomes a private network of it's own that looks more real then anything ever build.

...but the single Amazon affiliate ID# that leaves a footprint the size of Albuquerque.

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nik0

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

...but the single Amazon affiliate ID# that leaves a footprint the size of Albuquerque.

There's no single affiliate ID that identifies it, each site has it's own affiliate tag and for the rest it's some kind of encrypted code. Unless Google can crack that code somehow or Amazon is so nice to fullfill requests from Google to try to match things lol.

No seriously, when you start to interlink real sites there shouldn't be any problems, all the big companies are doing exactly that. Look at Amazon's footer for example. That's actually the nice thing of all of it, when you build real sites you don't have to worry about footprints.

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yukon

Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

There's no single affiliate ID that identifies it, each site has it's own affiliate tag and for the rest it's some kind of encrypted code. Unless Google can crack that code somehow or Amazon is so nice to fullfill requests from Google to try to match things lol.

No seriously, when you start to interlink real sites there shouldn't be any problems, all the big companies are doing exactly that. Look at Amazon's footer for example. That's actually the nice thing of all of it, when you build real sites you don't have to worry about footprints.

Last I checked Amazon affiliates had a unique ID name/number on the affiliate URL/link (ex: myIDname-20).

I'm not trying to derail the PBN subject, just saying there's a footprint converting a PBN to a single affiliate account.

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nik0 Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Last I checked Amazon affiliates had a unique ID name/number on the affiliate URL/link (ex: myIDname-20).

Yes but you can create 100 of those tags in Amazon so each site can have a complete different one.
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  Yes but you can create 100 of those tags in Amazon so each site can have a complete different one.
  
  So you have 100 Amazon affiliate blogs in a PBN? No footprint going on there...
  
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Jayski32

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

You spend money obtaining authorative PBN sites and use those to rank your money sites. I've probably spent $5k on my PBN and recouped the costs through my money sites.

I got my PBN back when it was easy to find expired, authorative domains. I just snapped the majority up and registered them for $10-$30 (depending on TLD). Now, it's a lot harder. You'll usually have to go through a broker, or bid on auctions. It's very rare you'll get an expired domain that hasn't already been registered. Heck, there's even programs that automate it all now.

As the saying goes, it was the "good old days" when it was easy, and there was lots of money to be made. When I registered my PBN, Hayden had just released the first part of his PBN training series. 6-months later, and everybody and their dog had a PBN of some sort. Now, you won't rank without a PBN in any niche - because your competitors have one.

I guarantee PBN's are top of Google's priority list, and they are working on an algorithm to somehow try and target them. It won't last for much longer. This is what happens though when people put information public and start selling it for their own benefit. Their the ones who complain when it's saturated and no longer works.

And on that note, consider transitioning from "SEO" to Digital Marketing. SEO won't get you a job in 5-years when affiliate marketing dies out. Heck, I don't even use the word "SEO" anymore, because it's so saturated and means absolutely nothing.

I mean, what is an "SEO Expert?"

Somebody who uses a bunch of software to automate link building? Somebody who builds a PBN? Think about it for a second. Google explicitly states that building a link yourself is going against their guidelines. So, an "SEO Expert" is strictly on-site. They optimise the on-site content, navigational structure, silo structure etc to achieve best results.

But, let's face it. The majority of self-proclaimed "SEO Experts" can't even do the above. They buy links through Fiverr and resell it. They sell SEO services, yet they come here and ask questions. Let me tell you something, SEO and digital marketing is all about common sense. I remember 6-years ago when I first started, and I heard the phrase, "Content is king". I went out and wrote 5-articles a day for 6-months - it got me nowhere.

But where do the external links come from?

That's where you transition into Digital Marketing. You create compelling content, and use your ability to get that curated and shared through channels that deliver traffic and potentially links. You use tools to A/B split test for conversions. You never spend a minute of your life building a link. Instead, you work on optimising your existing traffic for better conversions. Whether that's changing the font, or the colour of a button - you do it and you monitor the results. You build a brand through social media, and reap the benefits of recurring customers. That's how you achieve consistent growth - when you have a loyal recurring customer base. New customers will come on their own, through your marketing efforts, social media, word-of-mouth etc.

Mark my word. People who stay "stagnated" in the "SEO" world will be nothing in 5-years. People can sell PBN's and sell links - and good for them. But when it comes time to attending a job interview, they'll have nothing to show - no knowledge to share. No creative ability to demonstrate.

For those interested in getting started, I highly recommend the Chartered Institute of Digital Marketing. I just completed my level 6 (postgraduate). You may learn something. Even if you don't, it's something you'll need on your CV if you ever want to have a career in digital marketing at large, corporate enterprise companies.

The company I work for as the Digital Marketing Manager has a yearly revenue of $150-$200 million, and has shown growth year-on-year. The interview was unexpected - because the people above you actually know more than you. So, you either demonstrate that you can do it the right way, or lose out. If you love "SEO", then start preparing yourselves for the future.

Let's look at it from another perspective. Amazon probably employ 100+ digital marketers of some sort. What do you think they do all day? Do you think they build a private blog network and build links? Do you think they do blog comments? No.

They look at how they can consistently improve their web assets for better conversions and more sales. You know, they sit around a table and formulate how they can better portray their brand image and logos. What do they want their brand to be associated with? Do they want to support Russia, Ukraine or stay out of it completely? You get the point.

And with that, I can say this semi-rant is over. But there's alot of information in this post, and those who want a real career in "SEO" - whether that's self-employed or at a corporate company, will stray away from the "mainstream".

Do I use a PBN? Yes, I have one. Yes, I have affiliate sites. Why? Because it's damn easy for now. But it ain't the future.

Wow this is really long. I was the first to sell ready made PBN a couple years ago (well I was the guy behind the scenes procuring the domains,etc) and you are right it was alot easier then. Domains are tough to get now, no way around it. I have a huge custom setup on some dedicated servers and everyday I battle the large dropcatching services out there and they get their share but so do I.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

And on that note, consider transitioning from "SEO" to Digital Marketing. SEO won't get you a job in 5-years when affiliate marketing dies out. Heck, I don't even use the word "SEO" anymore, because it's so saturated and means absolutely nothing.

Thats a fair enough point. Most SEOs I know already do far more than SEO and the industry does need a new name. I'd suspect that in the next ten years along with emphasis on all kinds of traffic.I just won't be going with any name with marketing in it. That name as well has taken quite a beating

Mark my word. People who stay "stagnated" in the "SEO" world will be nothing in 5-years. People can sell PBN's and sell links - and good for them. But when it comes time to attending a job interview, they'll have nothing to show - no knowledge to share. No creative ability to demonstrate.

Valid point and that would probably be true if I actually knew any professional SEOs that only did PBNs but I don't. PBNs are just a tool in a tool box not the whole box. That tool box now includes social, and mobile pieces as well.

Frankly a lot of what you ar talking about is semantics. I get that you are pretty proud of your coure completion and company position but you really don't have a good grasp on real world SEO outside of what you se on this forum. SEOs have been into all these things for years. You are new to the party.

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EuropeGiant

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Perhaps. I'm only 23, and I'm extremely proud of where I am today. I'm meeting people who are truly inspirational every day.

I made the transition about a year and half ago, when I decided that I need to be able to make a real influence in my career. Affiliate marketing doesn't do that. It banks cash. Where's the team play, the creative attitude?

I'm not saying people don't do it. I'm saying people are too laser-focused on building links to realise that isn't what marketing is. They see something working and stick at it. It's important, more than ever, to expand your knowledge and broaden your skill set - stay ahead of the competition.

Want to know what the biggest turning point was for me a year ago?

I looked at one of my affiliate sites and said to myself, "Hell yeah, I'm banking $1,500 a month from being #1... But how do I improve that, monitor my success and so forth..."

I started changing buttons, colours, affiliate link placements.. I started analyzing where my traffic dropped off. I started to see a whole new dimension. That's when I truly stopped using the word "SEO". I don't claim to know everything, but I'm definitely proud to say that everyday I push myself to learn, or do something new.

A few months back, I pushed myself to learn heatmaps, and learn how to best use heatmaps. Now, I couldn't live without a heatmap to see where my visitors click, go through to etc. A real example.. In my full-time job, I noticed visitors where clicking a non-linked banner image. I added a link to that image, and improved my visitors experience - thanks to heatmaps.

But it goes much further than that. It's all about analysing why your customers aren't checking out. Was something off putting? Were they looking for something? A trust seal? How can I improve conversions from 6.1% to 6.2%?

I'm sure you know yourself Mike, there's probably 10 people in this SEO forum who know their stuff - and that's because they have gone out and built their own data and used that data to analyse their next move. I'm not saying nobody does it. I'm saying that people shouldn't look at PBN's and think, "Oh hey, this will work forever and help me to make millions!!".

It's important to look further afield and sometimes, concentrate on your current assets and how you can improve those assets.

Edit: And in addition to that, use creative ability to construct marketing campaigns that deliver ROI. Spend your time building 10 backlinks on Weebly. Or, use that time to construct a real campaign that delivers. It's actually rather simple.

1. Devise a strategy to market something (content, article, infographic, statistics... etc). If you're in the electronic cigarette business, go out and ask 1,000 people what they think. Collate the data and get it prepared.
2. Identify influential persons and organisations who would be interested in said data. Twitter is good for this, as is LinkedIn, and good old Google and tools such as Scrapebox.
3. Publish your data online in a non-advertising manner. Keep it strictly formal and factual.
4. Figure out how best to contact your key influences. Tweet them? E-mail them? Ask for a link to the data, or leave it up to them? Figure out what works best.

Let the data do its job. That's an example, and don't get me wrong, it's much more tedious and time consuming than what I've written above. But if people could just grasp that "SEO", or "Digital Marketing" - or whatever you call it is more than PBN's and building links. It's about creatively acquiring links - and that's how true "quality links" are achieved.

23 ?? No wonder why your comment was too immature. I thought I was dealing with a 45 year old guy being too immature on forums LOL.

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patadeperro

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Perhaps. I'm only 23, and I'm extremely proud of where I am today. I'm meeting people who are truly inspirational every day.

Shut up guys dont you see he knows everything?? he is 23 so he is in that age, I will sit to see you when you arrive to the age when you start questioning your own assumptions (if that ever happens), I read many wrong assumptions on your post such as:

a) Somebody that have been building PBNs have nothing to show when looking for a business, I dont agreewith that, the perso working in PBNs has acquired a set of skills that can be transferred to another field and if you are learning marketing (because I can:t really call you a marketer) you will see that many things are not sold for what they are, but how the people who buys them perceive them so a PBN guy can be easily a CIO if he packages his knowledge in the right way.

b) I do understand that somebody that has been doing SEO or building PBN may get a moment where he will need to get a job, but you dont get into business thinking "Wow, I hope this looks good on my resume" you go into business to actually leave that world (one of the reasons, other may have different reasons, but this one is pretty common)

I think you are very confused and even your intentions may be good I think you are not questioning your own assumptions or even leaving room for a different perspective.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

People who have never built a network don't understand what comes with learning to do it.

You learn how to evaluate links of all kinds
You learn how to understand some of the key metrics
You get to see the kinds of sites that get organic links
You learn who gives organic links

PBNs are all about getting high authority organic links which is the bread and butter of ranking sites so you learn the number one thing that makes for good SEO.

If tomorrow I stopped doing PBNs I would just ramp up the same thing I do now using the same techniques - use the same tools and knowledge to find link partners
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10 years ago

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

My point merely was, that people need to broaden their mindsets and push themselves to go further than a PBN. Too many people build a PBN, see success and then replicate/do nothing. It's how this industry typically works.

You don't know how this industry works. People talk grey hat here because its a grey hat board but assuming thats all they do is just ignorance.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

It seems that you don't even know the forum you apparently moderate, since threads usually have 40 replies saying, "yes good content very good", "yes good backlinks", "yes blog comment work", "yes u need nofollow or penalty".

A) I am not now nor ever been nor ever want to be a mod here (so you are clueless on that as well)
B) You make absolutely no good point because you are and were referring to people with their own PBNs and NO you do NOT know what you are talking about. Most people who have a PBN are not newbs.. I think I ought to know since I taught a few hundred people from here how to build PBNs and very few if any were newbs.

let me give you a tip because my college days are behind me a fair amount of years ago and I know the stage you are going through. When you first attend college and learn a few things you think you know it all. You are wet behind the ears out of a class and think the world has been in the stone age while you were learning. Give it a few years for the water to dry out then come back and lecture me on an industry that I have been in for more years than you have been in college.

So you may be or may not be one of the Digital Marketing Managers at a company (who knows how many of those there are at the company or if you even are one)? Big whoop. I 'd rather consult than be hired. Stop pretending like that puts you in some position to judge or lecture. There are quire a few people here that can lecture you.

Like I said come back when you've lost the wetness behind the ear.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Next, let's talk about Digital Marketing. If you're so fluent with optimizing conversion ratios, and A/B split testing, why is your "website" converting so poorly and made with graphics made in Paint? And it doesn't take a "college graduate" to see that.

Yawn ...as everyone here has seen me say multiple times. the site you see in my sig is my WF only site . Yeah its an additional income (but hey stay tuned. Its being redesigned) but again back to the failure of your analysis that you did with everyone here - its not all I do (and not all they do) so as we say in the US..... fail.

The rest of your bogus accusation post? Full of self affirmation, numbers and positions no one can verify all of which just keeps going up with each post I might add, Next it will be he does SEO for Kate, Harry and the whole "bloody" royal family.

Anyway... Yeah I hear you man. I consult for a company that did 124.5 Billion revenue lat year and they pay me $750 an hour with a 40 hour a month retainer. Gave me a yacht as a Christmas bonus last year. Took the twins to Maui on it. It was a gas. lets do lunch in Dubai.

Beauty of an internet forum post. No one knows which part is true and which part is false. Just words and numbers typed on a keyboard.

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

There's a reason why you spam links to "rent a private blog network". Your private blog network is junk, and always has been. I know because one of my clients used you before and got absolutely no results whatsoever. Having studied the so-called "network" you provide, I can see why there's no results in it whatsoever.

I didn't want to post in this thread because its pretty hot in here and its never a good idea but being a customer of Mike's network (for a couple months now), i have to say that is NOT true at all. I don't know why your client failed to see any results, i have personally had great results and its anything but spammed. There are a few other client's on it as well but its still far far better than any other so called PBN i have tried which are total spamfest with hundreds of other people linking out to their terrible SEO/health niche sites and they also charge tons more for those crappy public networks.

I have had some issues with regards to communication recently but it got sorted out and i have nothing but great things to say about Mike services. I actually liked his site because it looked honest and didn't shove fake great SERP results or anything of that sort that you see with phony PBN providers selling crappy spammed sites.

You have to understand not everyone's annual income is in excess of £150k and sure a PBN sounds cheap to you and not worth the effort because you can pull stunts that grab links to your sites but there are all kinds of people here with various income ranges who don't have that kind of money.

Actually i don't get why are you posting here, your posts are just show-off and don't offer any kind of value other than look at me how rich i am at such a young age.

Big deal, my friend got a billion dollar empire when he was just a teenager @16 when his parents got murdered but he doesn't go off showing off how rich he is. His monthly income is in excess of millions per month and if he started talking about his money in everything he said, he wouldn't be my friend anymore because that shit annoys the **** out of me and other people i suppose.

I am sure there are plenty of rich people here but you don't see them throwing numbers here to make their post have more weight. Its the advice they give and the value they offer in their posts that makes people appreciate them and i was enjoying this thread until you came and literally trashed it to talk of who has the most money and attacking Mike.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Thanks Mkgg. That was very nice of you.

I am not going to respond any further on issues that have nothing to do with this thread. Its a thread to PBN owner and builders on another way to approach content its not about me, my services, how much whoever wants to CLAIM they make etc.

Its not even about PBNs being the only SEO technique people should use. Its just a tip on another way of approaching content for it.
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Actually, my initial posts were constructive. My advice was aimed at people like yourself, people who are relying on renting a private blog network to see success. There is a bigger world out there.

I could give you 5 expired domains right now for free. I've got 5 in my "to register" list. All of them a minimum of PR5 with a minimum of DA30. I found them for free, and their unregistered, sitting in the land of expired.

My point is, go out and learn how to find your own domains, rather than relying on somebody else to build a business for you. Because, you're always reliant on that one person and you're not developing the skills you need to progress either your career or your business.

Ok I'll call you on this and have a look.

I'd love to see someones 5x PR5 "Minimum"

That means you prob have some 6's or 7's too right?

Take it from someone who does earn the same numbers you "claim" to earn.

I would have no reason in the world to leave $50 worth of registration fees, for $5000+ worth of domains, on a damn "To-Do-List".

You talking bs man.

So send me over that list and we shall take a look.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

I could give you 5 expired domains right now for free. I've got 5 in my "to register" list. All of them a minimum of PR5 with a minimum of DA30. I found them for free
My point is, go out and learn how to find your own domains, rather than relying on somebody else to build a business for you..

I'm all for teaching people. I have taught more people about building their own networks than anyone in this forum but correction - you can't find powerful PR5s for anything approaching free anymore. It takes a nice automated setup and/or a lot of time to find them so calling it free is not accurate. I know what you mean but you either have to spend the cash to get setup or SPEND a whole lot of time (and seldom find a really good domain like you would even a year ago). The reason that a number of services exist is because people already have businesses that they want to attend to and its worth more to them to work on that business than running scrapers and backlink checkers for hours on end every day.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Mike, I believe we spoke about the methods I use to find and register PBN's. I have no competition whatsoever. I don't sell my method, and I don't teach others how to do it, and that's why I find new domains daily.

Ice we both know there is a shadiness in what you do that can put your domains and investment at risk. Plus it leaves one whale of a footprint considering.....well I don't want to give away anything away but like you said I know what you are referring to. However to back up what Kevin said you;d be a fool to think they would just sit there plus you are already changing the numbers from your first claim. A good Pr 5 is not generally in the DA26 region.

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  Not really, my methods been tweaked not a lot. There is no footprint at all, except for the sites which they link to (which any PBN would expose). .
  
  and the TLDs of those domains unless I have you mixed up. and the fact you are not really eligible to own them? What about that?
  
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Mike, I believe we spoke about the methods I use to find and register PBN's. I have no competition whatsoever. I don't sell my method, and I don't teach others how to do it, and that's why I find new domains daily.

I have just PM'd this Kevin guy a domain I have on my "to register" list.

My way isn't automated, nor is it time intensive or cash intensive. People are just stuck following Hayden's advice on scraping, and bidding on auctions.

Nobody knows each other here, it's no big deal.

I got that domain thanks.

I got bad news for you though. I think you tied off your SEO classes a bit too early.

You're finding "restricted" registration domains. Completely useless when you can't buy something I would think.

Extention .org.charity? Really?

Based on the metrics of the domain you have sent. It is very clear to even a "Noob" from warrior forum, that you have absolutely no idea of how to read metrics. Or what to even look for.

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The PR6 the domain is FAKE,

And not just a "oh this might be fake" more like "HAHAHA that crap is so FAKE" kind of fake.

Fake like a "Noob" would only have to look at the links of the domain to see that in a heartbeat. Looking at say even Majesticseo,

SWEET PR6

Why could you not send me a "good" one as you put it.

Saving all the TrustFlow 15+ for yourself are you? LOLz

Moving out of SEO might be your best bet. It seems you never did get the idea anyway.

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

That's the lowest one on my list, and it's easily a PR4. Restricted domain? to who? to you? It isn't restricted to me, and neither are 4 other TLD's.

I buy those in bulk for $15 each. You think the PR5 and PR4 links are worthless, or not worth the $15 price tag? Then you set yourself some seriously high standards.

Bare in mind, that is one of the TLD's that your average marketer don't have access to. Every week, I'll get a gem. I'd happily PM you some of my current gems, but I don't see why I'd sacrifice my affiliate sites to prove a point.

No no no..Don't try wiggle away.

You said Min PR5 sitting on your do list.

You sent me YES, a restricted reg domain.
A domain that is clearly not a PR5 or anything remotely like it.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin, explaining what a good metric looks like. I can tell you those links that site has. Ain't carrying much weight at all.

PR2 on a good day with the sun shining on it.

And as for restricted yes. Registered non profits only. Non commercial.

I could send you .ie extentions all day with PR, but they'ed be no good either seeing you can't reg them for PBN use.

So your not even digging for links in the right lists to begin with.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

No no no..Don't try wiggle away.

You said Min PR5 sitting on your do list.

You sent me YES, a restricted reg domain.
A domain that is clearly not a PR5 or anything remotely like it.

I honestly wouldn't know where to begin, explaining what a good metric looks like. I can tell you those links that site has. Ain't carrying much weight at all.

PR2 on a good day with the sun shining on it.

And as for restricted yes. Registered Australian non profits only. Non commercial.

I could send you .ie extentions all day with PR, but they'ed be no good either seeing you can't reg them for PBN use.

So your not even digging for links in the right lists to begin with.

I have quite a few .ie domains, and have done for 2-years. Why can't you register for PBN use? Because it's unethical? Guess what, it's unethical to build a PBN in Google's eyes.

I sent you the weakest domain on my list. Since you "don't" want to register it, sit there for a second and think of the domains I have. Think of how many "restricted" TLD's get deleted on a daily basis - and I've been doing this for 2-years.

You keep paying $500 for a PR4 .com, and I'll keep paying $10-$25 (depending on TLD) to achieve the same success.

Oh, and as for "risk getting them deleted", you risk getting deindexed everyday. The only difference is, I spend 90% less to get the same results. And with that said, I'm off to bed because it's clearly going nowhere. If you want to sit there and honestly believe that that domain isn't worth $15, then you're delusional.

And, your post is exactly the reason why I'm not sending you the four other domains. To publicly expose them so that joe blog comes along and grabs them, all for proving a point?

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

I have quite a few .ie domains, and have done for 2-years. Why can't you register for PBN use? Because it's unethical? Guess what, it's unethical to build a PBN in Google's eyes.

What Google considers bad for them does not make for unethical. What you are doing is illegal and you can wake up tomorrow and all the domains are gone - confiscated. Now if thats fine for you then okay but what I don't gt is how you come in here talking about building a real business being dependent on others for your business and then propose a scheme which at any moment can result in every last link set being yanked at once and your sites possibly being all deindexed..

You keep paying $500 for a PR4 .com, and I'll keep paying $10-$25 (depending on TLD) to achieve the same success.

Nope I don't pay that for a Pr4 .com. Shucks I still get some (not many) .com PR4s for registration fees and I don't have to worry about anyone taking them back. Requires some investment and automation investment and its not as automatic as two three years ago but I'll take that any day.

I'd register the domains though. After you and Kevin going at each other and putting this down the chinese will be coming . lol

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10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

I have quite a few .ie domains, and have done for 2-years. Why can't you register for PBN use? Because it's unethical? Guess what, it's unethical to build a PBN in Google's eyes.

I sent you the weakest domain on my list. Since you "don't" want to register it, sit there for a second and think of the domains I have. Think of how many "restricted" TLD's get deleted on a daily basis - and I've been doing this for 2-years.

You keep paying $500 for a PR4 .com, and I'll keep paying $10-$25 (depending on TLD) to achieve the same success.

Oh, and as for "risk getting them deleted", you risk getting deindexed everyday. The only difference is, I spend 90% less to get the same results. And with that said, I'm off to bed because it's clearly going nowhere. If you want to sit there and honestly believe that that domain isn't worth $15, then you're delusional.

And, your post is exactly the reason why I'm not sending you the four other domains. To publicly expose them so that joe blog comes along and grabs them, all for proving a point?

Good night.

Nothing crucial shared anywhere. And no one will be rushing to buy that domain anyway.
Trust me on that.

Have .ie's Sure you do, they sit alongside you Pink Elephant and laughing Chimpanzee in the garden.

What happened here was you put yourself out to be caught in a lie, and then got caught in the lie.

"I have PR5's just waiting to be regged."

Translated to:

"I have this fake PR6, I hope he's as clueless as I am."

Now for some reason you're spinning your argument into some random "oh but it's worth $15 right?" Like you want me to answer the question again for you.

You put your foot in it, got called out as a BS'er.
Then got found out as a BS'er.

And now you want to go to bed early and hope everyone forgets.

Every word you posted previously about other claims of yours has lost all credibility. If it ever had any tbh.

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Banned 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Nothing crucial shared anywhere. And no one will be rushing to buy that domain anyway.
Trust me on that.

Have .ie's Sure you do, they sit alongside you Pink Elephant and laughing Chimpanzee in the garden.

What happened here was you put yourself out to be caught in a lie, and then got caught in the lie.

"I have PR5's just waiting to be regged."

Translated to:

"I have this fake PR6, I hope he's as clueless as I am."

Now for some reason you're spinning your argument into some random "oh but it's worth $15 right?" Like you want me to answer the question again for you.

You put your foot in it, got called out as a BS'er.
Then got found out as a BS'er.

And now you want to go to bed early and hope everyone forgets.

Every word you posted previously about other claims of yours has lost all credibility. If it ever had any tbh.

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He does have some solid PR4's and maybe PR5's and that's obvious no surprise as you have to pull some tricks to register them and they don't go through auctions so legit PR4's, PR5's and even PR6's do drop once in a while.

Obvious I agree that the domain he send you looks fake as hell, I don't even have to look at a single link for that when I see those metrics you posted. He send me quite a few domains as well and most were complete fakes but not all. Too bad the real ones were already caught by others each time so you have to be pretty damn fast.

He definitely has to step up his research game though as it seems he only looks at pagerank and external metrics instead of analyzing the actual backlinks to see if it justifies the toolbar PR.

In terms of DA here some very broad guidelines for others to read and regular prices at auctions:

PR3, mostly DA>20 DA<30 range $100+
PR4, mostly DA>30 DA<40 range $200+
PR5, mostly DA>40 DA<50 range $500+
PR6, mostly DA>50+ range $1000+ though more likely $2000+ these days when you find a REAL one

I've bought 2 PR6's in the past with DA49 and DA55 and I paid $1k/each.

Now to answer the question is SEO dead?

I'm 100% dependent on SEO and just rented this house so draw your own conclusions

Garden is not so big cause pool eats it up completely. I get the key on the 1st of September so no beer bottles present yet Mike A.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Obvious I agree that the domain he send you looks fake as hell, I don't even have to look at a single link for that when I see those metrics you posted. .

I'll have to disagree with you and Kevin. I did look at the backlinks and it has multiple PR5, PR 4,Pr3 links and not all from one source either. Its I think a trustflow 18 with the www.

Theres no way thats a PR2. Its probably a PR4. OF course I don't agree with the multiple links needed either seeing as my best buy ever was a $300 PR6. You would never have bought it because it had about 20 links less than half of them with PR links but the PR7 links are still there years later and its continued to be a PR6 after every update.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'll have to disagree with you and Kevin. I did look at the backlinks and it has multiple PR5, PR 4,Pr3 links and not all from one source either. Its I think a trustflow 18 with the www.

Theres no way thats a PR2. Its probably a PR4. OF course I don't agree with the multiple links needed either seeing as my best buy ever was a $300 PR6. You would never have bought it because it had about 20 links less than half of them with PR links but the PR7 links are still there years later and its continued to be a PR6 after every update.

So after all of that, Kevin forgot to check both www and non-www?

Like I said, anybody who thinks that domain I PM'd Kevin is worthless for $15 is clueless. Like I said in a previous post though, I'm not here to brag about my network or how much I make. This thread got majorly derailed and has turned into something different (mostly an epeen war), which is why I deleted my previous posts.

Thank you Mike for pointing out that you would take up the domain. It's the weakest on my list, and like Nik0 said, I come across them in abundance. Nik0 knows how I get the domains, and I've even offered to pass Nik0 PR5+ domains as I come across them. I won't lie, sometimes I do pick up weak PR4's - because they are worth $15. When I can buy domains in bulk for $15, there's no reason not too. But as Nik0 said, I also have some pretty darn strong PR6/PR7's (not many, but I have them).

The latest one I picked up has links from independent, mashable, cnn.com, .gov and .edu sites. The links are fairly new, so I don't know the PR of the pages. But with 300 referring domains, I'd suspect it's a very strong PR5-PR6 (with a DA of 40+ too). That's a true gem that I got for $15.

And with that said, let's get back to the topic at hand, and thank you Mike for leaving our squabble out of it.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

This thread got majorly derailed and has turned into something different (mostly an epeen war), which is why I deleted my previous posts.................And with that said, let's get back to the topic at hand, and thank you Mike for leaving our squabble out of it.

I call it like I see it and when fair is fair well its fair. Which is why I will say that its been you and mostly you derailing this thread. claiming things tht you do not know much about, making income claims that no one can verify and even with the domain name - Its a PR4 at best since its lost links not a minimum PR5 as you claimed.

So no Kevin was not entirely wrong. You have been blowing a whole lot of smoke and smoke it certainly is.

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Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I'll have to disagree with you and Kevin. I did look at the backlinks and it has multiple PR5, PR 4,Pr3 links and not all from one source either. Its I think a trustflow 18 with the www.

Theres no way thats a PR2. Its probably a PR4. OF course I don't agree with the multiple links needed either seeing as my best buy ever was a $300 PR6. You would never have bought it because it had about 20 links less than half of them with PR links but the PR7 links are still there years later and its continued to be a PR6 after every update.

I haven't seen the actual domain, just made judgement based on the metrics and domains that I've seen before. Guess Kevin forgot to either add or remove the www.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Garden is not so big cause pool eats it up completely. I get the key on the 1st of September so no beer bottles present yet Mike A.

Next picture better have them though or it didn't happen and I will know you are in Holland sitting underneath a windmill with those funny wooden shoes on.
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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

It's never a bad idea to go out there and start doing other things, whether that's curating content, analyzing headlines for clickthrough rates, monitoring conversion rates, A/B split testing - whatever..

Who in the world does not do that? Seriously. Where do you think you are??? Its a make money online board not a "gee I just want to see if I can rank at the top of Google for kicks and giggles" board. There is not a soul here that is not concerned with click through and conversion rates because ranking at the top of google doesn't make google send you a check. We all know that traffic needs to be converted. We all know about maximizing and optimizing our money sites (you know those things the PBN links to). If you just learned that then congratulations. You can now sit in the back of our advanced class.

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WareTime 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You can now sit in the back of our advanced class.

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  Or the one objecting to the self appointed teacher. Looks like that row needs another chair though. Don't feel left out.
  
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  I don't. I'm teaching a more advanced class
  
  I've heard good stuff about you creative daydreaming class. Apparently on that you really know your stuff. Much practice leads to mastery.
  
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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

The company I work for as the Digital Marketing Manager has a yearly revenue of $150-$200 million, and has shown growth year-on-year. The interview was unexpected - because the people above you actually know more than you. So, you either demonstrate that you can do it the right way, or lose out. If you love "SEO", then start preparing yourselves for the future......... look at it from another perspective. Amazon probably employ 100+ digital marketers of some sort..........

Alright I've listened to this (basically SEO is dead) mantra for long enough. Want to talk about $200 million revenue companies and what Amazon does so SEO is on its way out? Okay fine lets do it. As of 2011 Amazon had a huge advertising budget

Amazon Reviews Media Account | Agency News - Advertising Age

While the largest chunk of Amazon's budget in 2011 went to network TV -- $68.7 million -- the company also spent $54.1 million on magazine buys, as well as $30.9 million on display ads. Unmeasured spending accounted for $578 million of the company's total marketing budget. "

So um Duh! Of course they are not building PBNs. They run ads to BUY Exposure that results in links. They use their PR department machines as does any multimillion dollar company fully aware that the dollars they spend in getting exposure brings in links with it. Furthermore the employees in your beloved digital marketing are working the phones making sure press releases are not getting missed schmoozing with web masters and peddling influence to get links. Like it or not its all a way of buying links. Not even vaguely organic
or natural.

To claim that its all based on on-site and focusing on content is pure and utter nonsense. Advertising exposure is not earned its BOUGHT and its pur off site. Again theres nothing new in this. SEOs, Thats right SEOs not "digital marketers" in markting agencies have been doing this FOR YEARS. Rather than moving from SEO they have been doing this as PART of SEO for close to a decade.

Trying to compare companies with $50,000,000 marketing dollars to spend a years to all the companies and businesses out there much less marketers in WF just doesn't work. Its kinda ridiculous Would I be building PBNs with a 50 multimillion dollar ad budget? Of course not. I'd leverage my market exposure that those ads bought AND I'd be getting links from partner sites (bought by financial arrangements) as part of a network of pages coming in and I'd be coming up with promos and charity work that I could make major bloggers and media outlets aware of.

Totally different ball game all about leveraging links in a very unnatarual and non organic way based on money talking but that has been a part of SEO for many years.

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LABEShops

10 years ago

Can someone tell me what "PBN" stands for?

And may I make a request that if you start a topic and use an abbreviation, in your first post define the abbreviation? I am sure I am not the only person here who doesn't know what half of them stand for. Personally, I rarely if ever use abbreviations due to the ambiguity of them.

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PBN- Private Blog network
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Jayski32

10 years ago

Originally Posted by LABEShops

Can someone tell me what "PBN" stands for?

And may I make a request that if you start a topic and use an abbreviation, in your first post define the abbreviation? I am sure I am not the only person here who doesn't know what half of them stand for. Personally, I rarely if ever use abbreviations due to the ambiguity of them.

Private Blog Network. Its when you buy a bunch of high PR domains and host them. you then post on those domains articles with the links you want. This allows the PBN owner to own the links that rank the site. Its currently the best ranking method going at the moment.

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mkgg

10 years ago

Originally Posted by LABEShops

Can someone tell me what "PBN" stands for?

And may I make a request that if you start a topic and use an abbreviation, in your first post define the abbreviation? I am sure I am not the only person here who doesn't know what half of them stand for. Personally, I rarely if ever use abbreviations due to the ambiguity of them.

Well, the proper way would have been making a new thread about it and asking what the heck is it or simply google "pbn seo" and you would've known instead of hijacking the thread, its not practical to use an abbreviation in a sentence every time or in a forum dedicated to a subject you expect your audience to know, if you don't know what a PBN is then this thread doesn't even apply to you.

Anyway, i agree with OP...its a really good point. I have wondered what the best way would be to setup a PBN even if a manual reviewer checks it, you'd pass and if you do it the way Mike suggests it will come off more natural than a bunch of articles thrown there.

I don't think PBNs are short term games depending on how you set it up, if PBNs are all you have that are linking to your money site thats obviously going to come off as too suspicious but add in a little link diversity and it will be hard to tell.

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by AK86

This just seems redundant to me. Let's say for example you are starting fresh:
Money Site: PR 0, High Alexa, Low Traffic etc
PBN Site 1: Same
PBN Site 2: Same
PBN Site 3: Same
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If you think thats what building a PBN is about then you haven't being doing SEO for a very long time at all.

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Jayski32

10 years ago

I really liked this article. Actually learned something!
I own a bunch of different Private networks. Some really spammy, some seemingly legit and quite a few in between but will definitely start doing this for my "seemingly legit" blogs. Thanks!

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boxoun

10 years ago

Ice has no clue. So funny he thinks he has it all figured out. Long winded way of saying seo is dead but it isn't.

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SEO Power

10 years ago

I think SEO is here to stay, in fact forever as long as search engines continue to exist. If search engines stop using links as a ranking factor and start using something else in it's place, the way we do SEO will change as well. We have been adapting to the changes, and we'll continue to adapt.

I agree with what was said above about Adwords ads taking up prime spots in Google SERPs, but despite that, there will always be organic results and a massive amount of traffic will continue flowing to the organic results. Who would like to search for something on Google only to find ads in the results pages? For search engines to continue their existence, there has to be organic results.

PBNs may not be a permanent method of ranking sites, but they work now, and by the time they stop working (if they ever do), another method will have surfaced.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Great discussion, but what it really needs is some kind of humorous interdiction.

I don't usually make crap sites, But am definitely guilty of creating plenty in the past.

I think old Frank said it best when it comes to PBN.

My Way - Frank Sinatra - YouTube

btw. Sharing your original thought publicly has turned out to be a huge footprint.

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Great discussion, but what it really needs is some kind of humorous interdiction.

So um when are you going to provide some?
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mrmatt

10 years ago

Getting back to the message in the OP I‘ve got to agree with Mike. Writng content from the first person is so much easier to do. It makes writing fun and it‘s a super fast way to write the articles.

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seo3659

10 years ago

this private blog network article are really interesting

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Also, just noticed the domain I gave to Kevin is now registered as a PBN. Coincidence? We shall see!

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Mike Anthony

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Also, just noticed the domain I gave to Kevin is now registered. Coincidence? We shall see!

Sorry but that serves you right. brag less on open boards. For reasons you know well I doubt any one not setup to register the domain would have registered it but we have people all over the world reading this thread and some of them would have been reading before Kevin deleted the domain.

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Sorry but that serves you right. brag less on open boards. For reasons you know well I doubt any one not setup to register the domain would have registered it but we have people all over the world reading this thread and some of them would have been reading before Kevin deleted the domain.

I wouldn't have took it anyway, since both you and Kevin know the domain. It would have been useless to me (unless I wanted to expose my affiliate sites to you as well).

If I needed it, I would have registered it yesterday and not made it public via PM. Just saying though, the domain was never mentioned in this thread - and now it's taken, when only Kevin knew about it. So much for a "domain not worth $15"

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Mike Anthony 10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

. Just saying though, the domain was never mentioned in this thread - and now it's taken, when only Kevin knew about it. So much for a "domain not worth $15"

the domain WAS mentioned in this thread. I asked Kevin to remove it (although I am not a mod) and he was kind enough to remove it. However in the interim anyone could have and there are more people who could have now than at any other time at WF. If you think hard about that you might figure out why.
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Icematikx

Also, just noticed the domain I gave to Kevin is now registered as a PBN site going to WordPress Training by WP Academy. Home of WP Encyclopedia. Coincidence? We shall see!

LOL

Not me..no way.

You posted the linking pages, I posted the extention. We both screwed up. My apologies.

I was probably showing metrics for the root. I've never seen a 2 jump to a 6 on a www. swap anyway.

Doesn't matter, Why you didn't check out the site before sending it to me is more puzzling. It was obvious it was never a PR6.

Still doesn't matter, no real harm done. I find domains in a similar way, but I do try keep how I register them as lawful as possible. I'm not going to pose as a non-profit organisation to hijack a bit of PR.

But on the other hand, I might set up a company to obtain a commercial domain. Weird...

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Icematikx

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

LOL

Not me..no way.

You posted the linking pages, I posted the extention. We both screwed up. My apologies.

I was probably showing metrics for the root. I've never seen a 2 jump to a 6 on a www. swap anyway.

Doesn't matter, Why you didn't check out the site before sending it to me is more puzzling. It was obvious it was never a PR6.

Still doesn't matter, no real harm done. I find domains in a similar way, but I do try keep how I register them as lawful as possible. I'm not going to pose as a non-profit organisation to hijack a bit of PR.

But on the other hand, I might set up a company to obtain a commercial domain. Weird...

In my initial post, I said I have five PR5's sitting around. Perhaps I over exaggerated as I hadn't looked into any of them thoroughly - just saw a few PR6/PR5/PR4 links to them and kept in my "to register" list for thorough research later.

As I said though, the domain I gave you in PM was a PR4, possibly a PR5 if there's links missing from ahrefs/majestic. Well worth the $15 price tag. The other four domains on my list seem better, ones a guaranteed PR5, others hovering between PR4 and PR5.

As for domain extension you mentioned earlier (not the charity), there is a legitimate way to register them. Like I've always done with Mike and Nik0, I'm more than happy to disclose how in private to people who I know won't sell it for profit. I've never been selfish. I'm not here to build my epeen and brag about my earnings. If I wanted to do that, I'd use my real name and link to my personal blog for recognition, right?

I come here to help people and answer questions, as that's what I see the WF. It's where I first started, so why not give back?

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webby0031

10 years ago

how sad, how very sad

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accessted

10 years ago

All this throwing around PR4-PR5 domains like its nothing, meanwhile I would love to get my hands on one of those at a $15 price.. <<<Shaking head

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ChrisDill 10 years ago

Originally Posted by accessted

All this throwing around PR4-PR5 domains like its nothing, meanwhile I would love to get my hands on one of those at a $15 price.. <<<Shaking head

Yeah definately a gem if your only paying $15 now adays. I got a PR4 yesterday for $166
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- SEO Eddie 10 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ChrisDill
  
  Yeah definately a gem if your only paying $15 now adays. I got a PR4 yesterday for $166
  
  If it's a good PR4 then it was still cheap.
  
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  Mike Anthony 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by SEO Eddie
  
  If it's a good PR4 then it was still cheap.
  
  Unfortunately true. Shucks some PR4s go for hundreds
  
  Prices just continue to climb too
  
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  accessted 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Unfortunately true. Shucks some PR4s go for hundreds
  
  Prices just continue to climb too
  
  Thats weird prices are still rising since PBN do not work any longer...
  
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ChrisDill

10 years ago

I use a few services to gather content, but most recently I have been using eLance and Zerys. I have been advertising the jobs as "Corporate Identity". I ask the writer to make up a fake company in the specific niche, and then I ask them to write me an about page, home page, company culture/DCMA/contact page and 3 blog posts. I then pay them for the whole job.

The stuff I get is awesome, and will 100% pass a manual review. Everything flows together, there are references to specific people, company events, etc.

Great post, thanks for sharing out the good strategies!

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deezn

9 years ago

Mike any advice on where to hire writers? I know of iwriter

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MikeFriedman 9 years ago

Originally Posted by deezn

Mike any advice on where to hire writers? I know of iwriter

iWriter is awful for content. TextBroker is much better.

I've been hiring writers off of Odesk mostly. You will have to test a few of them because you will find some duds, but I have a nice team put together now. You can make them submit writing samples when you post a job. That will help sort a lot of the lower quality writers out.
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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Originally Posted by deezn

Mike any advice on where to hire writers? I know of iwriter

Hirewriters I have been able to find a few good writers. Personally I think almost all services have good writers but some services will take you a whole lot longer than others to find them
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Jason Jacoby

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Most organic blog sites are about a person's life or His/her interests. Business blogs are about what the company is doing. Some sites are about special interests and charities but they STILL have a personal touch and they are tight around the blogger's interest. It looks so freaking unnatural to see blogs filled with articles with no personal connection to the supposed blogger and yet we all have been doing just that ( I stopped about 8 months ago) for our PBNs.

Great Idea! By making sure that the writers relate the articles to themselves, you are pushing them to be creative and get personal. It looks like it should work for my blog. Thanks for the tip. I will try it in one of the websites that I handle.

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AffiliatingAlan

9 years ago

So you're saying write with personality and not technically. Either way these are still "articles".

This is pretty common sense IMO. If you buy a branded site of someones name then making personality posts make sense. If you've got a corporation type site then more technical stuff is required.

How is this new?

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Mike Anthony 9 years ago

Alan come back to the forums when you have something worthy of putting in because right now posters like yourself are just draggig down the quality of conversations. The OP says nothing about anything being new, but no if you actually knew what you wee talking about (for a change(, many people order articles about a subject and put on their PBN.

Hence this thread
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jorry

9 years ago

Thanks again everybody

Learned allot today :-)

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