Warrior Forum Backlinks Now "NoFollow"?

by Dele
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I have observed that the backlinks we get when we make forum posts on the Warrior forum is now "nofollow" as against "dofollow" that it used to be before.

Does this imply that "dofollow" links is a "no-go" now for all sites and every webmaster should desist from passing link juice?
#backlinks #forum #nofollow #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    That change was made over a year ago.

    It had more to do with trying to cut down on spammers than anything else.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      It had more to do with trying to cut down on spammers than anything else.
      Yes, i understand it if from that point of view, but just wondering whether it could also be from an SEO point of view.

      Could it also be "watering down" the ranking of the Warrior forum and indeed any other site?
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        Yes, i understand it if from that point of view, but just wondering whether it could also be from an SEO point of view.

        Could it also be "watering down" the ranking of the Warrior forum and indeed any other site?
        Making the change to nofollow is theoretically not going to improve the WF's rankings, if we are talking purely on the pagerank algorithm.

        Nofollow links are ignored in terms of passing pagerank, but they still tally up to the total link count on the page. As such, less internal juice is flowing through the site due to the nofollow external links.

        I don't know why the change was made, I imagine it's to stop people registering and spamming links - and thus contributing nothing. I also imagine that Matt Cutts or any other power-hungry Google employee could also drop a penalty onto WF at any time if their guidelines change, or they want to make a statement.

        Either way, getting "follow" links from a forum thread on the WF is not going to take your rankings up. People are under the assumption that every link helps. The true reality is, the WF doesn't have much juice flowing through it in the first place due to every thread leaking PR. It's the same story with all forums.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dele
          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          the WF doesn't have much juice flowing through it in the first place due to every thread leaking PR.
          That is the point i am trying to establish.
          Does outgoing links from a webpage actually LEAK page rank from that site?
          I am referring to how it affects the site itself and not to those who comment on it.

          If it does, then it is advisable for all sites to go "nofollow".
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          • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
            Originally Posted by Dele View Post

            That is the point i am trying to establish.
            Does outgoing links from a webpage actually LEAK page rank from that site?
            I am referring to how it affects the site itself and not to those who comment on it.

            If it does, then it is advisable for all sites to go "nofollow".
            Well yes, normal links will theoretically "leak" pagerank, but it's much more complicated than that - and of course, depends on the pagerank of the particular page and number of internal/external links.

            If all sites went to nofollow, then we wouldn't have a pagerank algorithm. Linking out externally is generally a better idea than a bad one - even if you are losing some pagerank. People obsess too much about creating a mega-tight pagerank structure that flows perfectly - but in reality, it isn't needed.

            10-Years ago, I have no doubt that pagerank was perhaps one of the only algorithms Google used. Now, we have terms such as "Authority" and "Trust" (that nobody really knows the meaning of). But, we can most likely assume that Google uses factors to determine the authority and trust of a website, and these are part of the algorithm - as is pagerank.

            Google state over 200 factors are used when identifying where to rank a particular website. I also see Pagerank becoming a less important part of the algorithm over time because it is EXTREMELY easy to game. Pagerank is Google's worst nightmare now that link buying/selling and exchanging links is absolutely everywhere. 10-years ago, it was a breakthrough algorithm that solved complex equations to produce somewhat stable rankings across the whole Google domain.

            Nofollow links still reduce the amount of pagerank flowing through the site internally though. If we have 12 follow and 12 nofollow links on a page, Google counts this as 24 links total - and so gives each follow link 1/24 of the "juice". The 12 nofollow links receive nothing, but the follow links are only going getting 1/24 instead of 1/12. That's why I mentioned that WF has hardly any pagerank to siphon anyway, because every thread theoretically has no "juice" to give due to tens, or even hundreds of internal & external links.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dele
              Well, from the shrewd business man's point of view, why would he want to LEAK any page rank at all when he doesn't have to? He can still link to some authority sites though, using the "nofollow" attribute since outbound links to authority sites is desirable and may indeed be one of the ranking factors.
              All those who comment on the webmasters' site may then be "condemned" to "nofollow" links.

              Only for new webmaster sites who are still trying to drive traffic to their sites by offering a "carrot", does it seem then that the "dofollow" link has any beneficial use.

              Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

              If all sites went to nofollow, then we wouldn't have a pagerank algorithm.
              I don't agree with this, since backlinks is just one(1), albeit a very important one of the many ranking factors within the Google Page Rank algorithm.
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              • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                Originally Posted by Dele View Post

                I don't agree with this, since backlinks is just one(1), albeit a very important one of the many ranking factors within the Google Page Rank algorithm.
                Backlinks are still the main determining factor for ranking a page. Pagerank funnels into how strong a backlink is, as do other factors I imagine. Try ranking a website purely on nofollow links - it won't happen.
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                • Profile picture of the author Dele
                  Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                  Try ranking a website purely on nofollow links - it won't happen.
                  I never said you can rank a website on "nofollow" links. What i said is that there are many other factors apart from backlinks on which a ranking algorithm can still be based in the absence of backlinks e.g. site age, on-page site factors, social media recognition etc.
                  That is why if a site has no backlinks at all, it can still rank no. 1 in a low competition niche and for a low competition keyword. There will always be a no. 1 for every keyword/keyword phrase, backlinks or no backlinks.

                  I recognize though that backlinks is about the most important ranking factor for now.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Dele,

    You are misunderstanding how nofollow works. Nofollow does not prevent PR from leaking off the page. The PR still leaks off the page, it just does not get passed onto whatever is being linked to. It basically drops off into a black hole.

    Google made that change 5 years ago to prevent people from sculpting PR in the way you are suggesting.

    This explains it pretty well.

    Google Says: Yes, You Can Still Sculpt PageRank. No You Can't Do It With Nofollow - Moz
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    • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Dele,

      You are misunderstanding how nofollow works. Nofollow does not prevent PR from leaking off the page. The PR still leaks off the page, it just does not get passed onto whatever is being linked to. It basically drops off into a black hole.

      Google made that change 5 years ago to prevent people from sculpting PR in the way you are suggesting.

      This explains it pretty well.

      Google Says: Yes, You Can Still Sculpt PageRank. No You Can't Do It With Nofollow - Moz
      Indeed, perhaps it's better to explain in laymens terms sometimes

      And so, to your previous point, there's no point every website using the nofollow tag, because the PR is still leaking out. That's why nofollow exists.

      Nofollow = I can't validate this website source and don't necessarily trust the link.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Dele,

      You are misunderstanding how nofollow works. Nofollow does not prevent PR from leaking off the page. The PR still leaks off the page, it just does not get passed onto whatever is being linked to. It basically drops off into a black hole.

      Google made that change 5 years ago to prevent people from sculpting PR in the way you are suggesting.

      This explains it pretty well.

      Google Says: Yes, You Can Still Sculpt PageRank. No You Can't Do It With Nofollow - Moz
      The point about leakage of PR, "dofollow" or "nofollow" links is well taken and very valid. I actually just gained from that statement as i thought otherwise hitherto.

      That however is not the only crux of the matter. Maybe the other crux of the matter will be apparent if most/virtually all webmasters then choose not to link out but only to a very few authority sites (for ranking factor gain purposes) and with "nofollow" attribute, choosing the lesser of the two evils between "dofollow" and "nofollow" (still taking cognizance of the fact that there will be a leakage of minute PR though) as there is no gain for them to be made by massive outbound links or allowing "dofollow" comments on their blog. In fact maybe after a few comments on the webmasters' site, ban further commenting so as not to leak further PR even from "nofollow" links

      The pages on the internet will still rank irrespective of the virtual absence of backlinks, wouldn't it? That is the other crux of the matter.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        The point about leakage of PR, "dofollow" or "nofollow" links is well taken and very valid. I actually just gained from that statement as i thought otherwise hitherto.

        That however is not the only crux of the matter. Maybe the other crux of the matter will be apparent if most/virtually all webmasters then choose not to link out but only to a very few authority sites (for ranking factor gain purposes) and with "nofollow" attribute, choosing the lesser of the two evils between "dofollow" and "nofollow" (still taking cognizance of the fact that there will be a leakage of minute PR though) as there is no gain for them to be made by massive outbound links or allowing "dofollow" comments on their blog. In fact maybe after a few comments on the webmasters' site, ban further commenting so as not to leak further PR even from "nofollow" links

        The pages on the internet will still rank irrespective of the virtual absence of backlinks, wouldn't it? That is the other crux of the matter.

        That seems like a pretty silly argument to me. This is not something new. Links have always leaked PR and it has not kept people from linking out to other places for the past 15 years. Why would they start now?

        As for blog comments... Who cares? They are trash as far as links anyhow.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dele
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          That seems like a pretty silly argument to me. This is not something new. Links have always leaked PR and it has not kept people from linking out to other places for the past 15 years. Why would they start now?

          As for blog comments... Who cares? They are trash as far as links anyhow.
          Do you realize many webmasters may not be aware that "nofollow" links also LEAK PR? I bet many will reduce their outbound links if they knew and may substantially reduce the comments on their site too. Who knows whether it is even the reason why i find "comments closed" on many sites.

          But do you now accept the fact that absence of backlinks on the internet does not imply the end of the ranking algorithm? You seem to be dodging this point I accepted graciously where you made a valid point.
          Hmmm!. Maybe because you seem to be frugal with your thanks. Just four(4) while others keep thanking you. Just a joke!.
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by Dele View Post

            Do you realize many webmasters may not be aware that "nofollow" links also LEAK PR? I bet many will reduce their outbound links if they knew and may substantially reduce the comments on their site too. Who knows whether it is even the reason why i find "comments closed" on many sites.

            But do you now accept the fact that absence of backlinks on the internet does not imply the end of the ranking algorithm? You seem to be dodging this point I accepted graciously where you made a valid point.
            Nofollow links leaking PR?

            No, please, nobody remove their forum sig. how would the world react with unbiased comments.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dele
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Nofollow links leaking PR?
              Please confirm or deny that yukon. I just "learnt" of that on this forum from MikeFriedman.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Dele View Post


            Do you realize many webmasters may not be aware that "nofollow" links also LEAK PR? I bet many will reduce their outbound links if they knew and may substantially reduce the comments on their site too. Who knows whether it is even the reason why i find "comments closed" on many sites.

            But do you now accept the fact that absence of backlinks on the internet does not imply the end of the ranking algorithm? You seem to be dodging this point I accepted graciously where you made a valid point.
            Hmmm!. Maybe because you seem to be frugal with your thanks. Just four(4) while others keep thanking you. Just a joke!.
            Most webmasters not only are unaware that "nofollow" leaks PR, most do not even know what PR is.

            Personally, I think nearly every webmaster should remove the ability to post links in comment sections. They are a waste. If it is a discussion you care about, it gets cluttered up by people just trying to get their stupid link.

            I do not accept much of anything you are saying. There is no threat of an absence of backlinks. None of this stuff is new. It's been this way for years and it has not drastically reduced links across the internet.

            You are acting like this is some big change that just came out and is going to cause websites across the world to change how they do things.
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  • Profile picture of the author longseo
    In my opinion, it doesn't matter a link is nofollow or dofollow. The most important thing is PageRank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    The point is, Google and all other major search engines for that matter, focus entirely on their customer base (the searchers).

    Chances are, if I search for, "Cures for Cancer", it's a topic that I'll be reading in-depth. Google knows that no single webpage can satisfy my craving for information.. I am looking for cures for cancer, and I will be siphoning through 50 pages of Google to try and find something that works.

    Linking out to other sites isn't just about SEO or losing pagerank. It's about creating a "good" user experience. Directing your users to other external resources that contain additional, or new content.

    What you're suggesting is completely hypothetical, and it will never happen. All of the big newspapers like Forbes and the BBC link out to external websites because it presents a BETTER user experience. If they are covering a company, it makes sense to link to that companies website. If the big authorities are doing it, that goes to show that leaking PR through external links is at the bottom of any SEO's checklist.

    Unfortunately, too many SEO's place pagerank sculpting at the top of their list, and it shouldn't be there. Some aspects matter, such as limiting or trying to limit the amount of links on a webpage, but linking out to worthy websites presents nothing but benefits and advantages. I would never link to my competitors - because that is helping them out. But linking out to resources that benefit my readers, sure, why not. I don't care about the very small PR that leaks out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

      What you're suggesting is completely hypothetical, and it will never happen. All of the big newspapers like Forbes and the BBC link out to external websites because it presents a BETTER user experience. If they are covering a company, it makes sense to link to that companies website. If the big authorities are doing it, that goes to show that leaking PR through external links is at the bottom of any SEO's checklist.
      For goodness sake, every fairly experienced internet marketer should know that. The reason i do not appear to have taken that into consideration in my posts is because we are in an SEO forum and analyzing the SEO impact of certain actions. In such circumstances, you hold other factors constant to be able to see the actual impact of that single variable. It does not mean you are discounting the benefit of other variables.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        For goodness sake, every fairly experienced internet marketer should know that. The reason i do not appear to have taken that into consideration in my posts is because we are in an SEO forum and analyzing the SEO impact of certain actions. In such circumstances, you hold other factors constant to be able to see the actual impact of that single variable. It does not mean you are discounting the benefit of other variables.
        Your replies are taking this conversation nowhere.

        Yes, in a hypothetical world, if webmasters removed ALL links, then yes, websites would rank based on other factors. But why are we even discussing this, what is the point?

        That's like saying, "If cows stopped producing milk, there would be a shortage of cheese". It's common sense and it's never going to happen. Jesus.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rino1
    Im sorry if this is a really stupid question, but to sum up what i have read, you are saying that if a user on here puts a backlink to their page in the footer of your profile, it will negatively effect your PR? I am still new at this and trying to learn as much as possible.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Rino1 View Post

      Im sorry if this is a really stupid question, but to sum up what i have read, you are saying that if a user on here puts a backlink to their page in the footer of your profile, it will negatively effect your PR? I am still new at this and trying to learn as much as possible.
      Not a negative impact. Just no impact at all.
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  • There could have been other ways to counter spammers than simply making all links nofollow. I mean this is very active forum and lots of people are taking extremely sensible and useful things. There is some reward good contributors would expect I believe.
    What do you guys think?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by shivanipatelonline View Post

      There could have been other ways to counter spammers than simply making all links nofollow. I mean this is very active forum and lots of people are taking extremely sensible and useful things. There is some reward good contributors would expect I believe.
      What do you guys think?
      I think if forum signature links are a major part of your SEO strategy, you might want to take another look at your strategy.
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    • Profile picture of the author danparks
      Originally Posted by shivanipatelonline View Post

      There could have been other ways to counter spammers than simply making all links nofollow. I mean this is very active forum and lots of people are taking extremely sensible and useful things. There is some reward good contributors would expect I believe.
      The spammers will outway the "do gooders," so it's best to not give the spammers incentive to post (the incentive being a link that passes PR).

      Even though a link you get in your post footer is nofollow, it's still a "reward" if your link is to a site of yours. The reward is the possibility of getting direct traffic to your site. So, no Google SERP help, but potentially direct traffic help.
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  • Profile picture of the author FreedomBlogger
    They made that change a while ago.

    You are good with the 'nofollow' links here.

    Don't worry too much about it!

    I wish you the best of the best!

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Masondavis
    It doesn't matter a link is nofollow or dofollow.
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