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Costs Of Making a Private Blog Network Site Look Natural

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PBN are a hot topic right now, especially after the latest wave of deindexation.

Now if you want to do it all legit, what would it really cost?

1) Solid PR4 domain, $250,-
2) 20 Pieces of solid content to turn it into a real money site, $200,-
3) Time to set it all up or have a VA do it, with custom headers and all, $25,-

Wow that's $475,- for a single site!!!

Sure you could cut in costs of amount of content but then you automatically end up with a somewhat thin site and you can cut in costs of the domain but then you end up with some weakish domain.

Wake up call to all you people who think building a real natural looking and strong PBN is cheap!

Why I post this? Cause I had a few complains from people about the visual appearance of my network so I thought let's outline the costs if they want the domains to be strong and visual appealing to survive a manual review.

Now add the fact that I wouldn't be able to link out to more then 3 people from such site to keep it all niche relevant and natural so it would come down to a COST price of $150+ for a link from 1 single domain, yaiks that would mean a link from 1 domain every 2 months as I also need to make a profit, pay tax, pay for advertising, hosting and what not.

Ok sure replace it with a solid PR3 domain instead for $125,-, then it still ends up with a cost price of $350/3 = $100+ for a link from 1 domain. Wow now we can build links from 1.5 domain in 2 months time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Wake up call to all you people who think building a real natural looking and strong PBN is cheap!

    Why I post this? Cause I had a few complains from people about the visual appearance of my network so I thought let's outline the costs if they want the domains to be strong and visual appealing to survive a manual review.
    DISAGREE!!

    and I know you disagree with me so this will probably be lively but hopefully informative to others thread . Heres the skinny. the average user that is not going up against the most competitive keywords can get a network much smaller and affordable. People have gotten caught in the idea that they have to mimic service providers to succeed but those are built for multiple users - not the private single owner networks (Why mimic what Google is targeting?). I'd rather have multiple PR3s and PR2 like strength domains than one PR4. So right off the bat $250 would get the network I am taking about 5-6 sites.

    Every person that I have seen or helped with a small network has seen significant gains in serps. True.....you can end up spending money on crappy domains and it took me some trial and error over the last two years to start finding solid ones for the $40-$50 range but now frankly I don't aim more than that strength to my money sites very often (occasional PR4 and PR5 and my PR6 sites NEVER link to money sites).

    I've said this before - why does a smaller weaker than a service providers rental network do well comparatively? Because the service provider is going to stick ton loads of links on a site and the private owner doesn't have to. Theres less juice but then there's less people using it.

    As for content I have said what I am doing before.

    STOP WRITING THOSE FREAKING ARTICLES!!

    Nobody believes that a person starts a blog to talk about reviewing cookware, real estate in wyoming or how to train your dog. People start blogs to write about what they care about and their life or business. Run over to Iwriter or hirewriters and ask somebody to write about their experience with your niche
    like this

    (cookware) The dinner I will never forget
    (dog training)My favorite dog ever
    (wyoming real estate) Growing up in wyoming

    The writers LOVE writing about these personal stories. Theres no research. They look natural and organic like a blog post should because they ARE natural and organic and heres the kicker -You can get good ones for $4 and they often go over the word count because the writers are having fun writing about them for the same reason people start blogs. Then work in a sentence for a little natural looking anchor text in one or two posts.

    With the recent deindexings what should every PBN owner want if they can 't have masses of content on their site?

    They should mimic legit thin sites - private blogs.

    Google can't go after personal blogs because they would take out Blogger (and Wordpress) that have tens of thousands of thin blogs on their own site . LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Sites that consist of just a few pages based on weak domains won't last very long. Easy for Google to trace them down based on the EMD update back then.
        You are thinking like an IMer and SEO. the net is filled with blog sites where people post once a month or once quarter. Plus the natural new blog doesn't post 20 articles at a time so at any given point the net is filled with new thinner sites that grow over time. right now its the kind of content and the bunch of unrelated anchor text coming out of networks that make them a bullseye for Google. Thats why you can't compare a private blog network to how service providers run networks. They will always get slapped because its just not natural to have all this wildly different anchor text coming out of a site and since Google has already crawled the sites they have that data to blow up a PBN like that in about a second.

        Now you can say the sites don't have to be just a few pages but then you still end up with a costprice of content for about $200,- + $50 for the domain + $25 to set it all up, how does that make things much cheaper. Still nearly 100 bucks per link if you link to just 3 clients.
        Your maths suck though. $4-$6 for a personal blog post does not equal $200 and who the junk has to pay $25 to set up a site?

        Don't tell me it would look natural to link out to 10 complete different sites on a site with just 20 posts.
        See? you are stuck in a service providers mentality every time we talk on this subject. linking to 10+ completely different sites is what service providers do to make money back for their domains. Private networks by private owners can have four links on the WHOLE SITE. Thats the benefit of owning their own small one. Like i was just telling someone - the footprint no one wants to talk about because they can't is linking to their customers. Affordable Servive providers by their business model have to link to too many different niches. its obvious and easy to see links are being sold REGARDLESS of content

        Besides that I talk about real looking sites, not some personal mommy blog, Google would care less about that if it suspects it's another form of paid links.
        No service providers sites look real. the acid test question of "why does this site exist and why would they link to all those sites if they are not selling links" gets them exposed every time. The only way around that deindexing factor is to have a network just for an owner of a couple websites or charge TON loads more money to have less links per site.

        For you it's easy talking anyway, you sell the domains and then it's up to the client what to put on it right?
        No Nik. Like the old timers say - I can walk and chew gum at the same time. You might only be talking about your service but I am talking about PBNs in general - My own and what I do on them and clients what they can put on them. However yes I do prefer customers put their own content because no matter how we all kid ourselves writers trying to write on things not in their niche don't pass the smell test and hopefully the owners know their niche better to craft a site around a niche than someone not in their niche (hope springs eternal) - something no service provider can do.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Only in case of a manual review or my network would be toast already.
            I have access to hundreds of domains built with all kinds of content that have not been "toasted". Most of my clients put up the very same kind of content I tell them not to. Its simply a matter that they are not on Google's radar (probably because they are so small which is how all PBNs will probably need to be to stay safe from here on in)

            I think a site with just one $5 article (or a few) will get deindexed automatically, you need some substance
            So google has an algo that determines how much content costs and then automatically deindexes based on cost? Where do you people come up with these things? Pull then out of your ears? Every day personal bloggers write the EXACT kind of content talking abut their life their children, their dogs. The problem with articles is you are forcing the writer to write something they don't care about, mostly know nothing about and is boring as drying paint which tells the world no one would start a blog to put that up.

            Lets face the facts and not the hype. THERE IS NO ALGO based on thin content that automatically deindex sites. If so TENS OFF THOUSANDS of personal blogs would be deindexed, every business site with three pages would be toast and portfolio sites would all be gone. What they however don;t have is suspicious all over the place anchor text. Thats the footprint. They may not rank but they are definitely not deindexed and they are passing on PR. Thats not to say everyone should put up thin sites. I dont't avocate that . I m saying you get better quality when you ask writers to write what they know (their own life) and have an interests in. They are willing to write for less and enjoy doing it more. I have had them tell me so over and over again. Plus they don't word count. Tel then 500 they go to 6 because they are invested in expressing themselves. Some of the stories my writers have written are more memorable than anything I have seen on any PBN including yours. Cheaper and better

            . Yes you say a personal blog starts out with just 1 article but if it stays like that for 6-12 months it can easily get deindexed. If you add more content later on the costs keep on adding up so that would be just be a delayed way of spending wouldn't it?
            I didn't say anything about one article in 6-12 months though did I? so yours is a strawman argument. I never said anyone coud build a useful network for free but for a lot of people it does not have to be as expensive as you state. Thats the point.

            Yes cause I am a service provider and investments need to be made back.
            Yep and thats why your business model gets more deindexed sites and also why you can't tell everyone the price of building a network is as high as you claim because PBN don't have to built only for service providers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Waller
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Don't tell me it would look natural to link out to 10 complete different sites on a site with just 20 posts. No manual reviewer is gonna be misleaded by just talking in 1st person about random stuff and on top of that such posts wouldn't be very relevant to the site and thus the link is less strong and neither can you spice it up with money anchor keywords as that's a dead give away so you end up with somewhat relevant links and generic / URL type of anchors.
              I both agree and disagree. Yes, if those 10 sites are in completely different niches then it would look a smidge suspicious. However, if they were all in fairly similar industries then it's not a problem.

              Aside from SEO and my business, I also blog separately on a non-IM topic. I link out to at least one other website in each post, often-times many more than this.

              I think this is where service providers are going to have to go - niche specific networks used for smaller numbers of clients.

              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              So google has an algo that determines how much content costs and then automatically deindexes based on cost? Where do you people come up with these things? Pull then out of your ears? Every day personal bloggers write the EXACT kind of content talking abut their life their children, their dogs. The problem with articles is you are forcing the writer to write something they don't care about, mostly know nothing about and is boring as drying paint which tells the world no one would start a blog to put that up.

              Lets face the facts and not the hype. THERE IS NO ALGO based on thin content that automatically deindex sites. If so TENS OFF THOUSANDS of personal blogs would be deindexed, every business site with three pages would be toast and portfolio sites would all be gone. What they however don;t have is suspicious all over the place anchor text. Thats the footprint. They may not rank but they are definitely not deindexed and they are passing on PR. Thats not to say everyone should put up thin sites. I dont't avocate that . I m saying you get better quality when you ask writers to write what they know (their own life) and have an interests in. They are willing to write for less and enjoy doing it more. I have had them tell me so over and over again. Plus they don't word count. Tel then 500 they go to 6 because they are invested in expressing themselves. Some of the stories my writers have written are more memorable than anything I have seen on any PBN including yours. Cheaper and better
              I'm torn on this point - supposedly Panda is about targeting thin content so one would assume Google think they have a handle on how to distinguish between good and bad quality content.

              But I do not think they would deindex poor quality content - they might not rank it, but that's besides the point.

              And yes, there are millions of personal blogs out there that have, what to you or I, would seem like poor quality content. Heck, there are blogs in this industry where the grammar and spelling are awful.

              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Though I advertise primarly at online marketing forums my client base is quite a bit different then you would expect. Most of the websites I link to come from small SEO companies that outsource their clients to me. It used to be that I only had like 10 percent affiliate clients, nowadays that increased a bit to about 30 percent I think.

              The other group of clients you talk about, eg local business owners or whatever require much more time, they want to talk on the phone, and will ring again at the smallest drop of rankings or whatever, I can't be bothered with that. My intention is not to build a real high quality network, but instead the highest quality I can give with the budget I receive.
              You are definitely providing a service that many people want - that's very apparent - but I also think that by providing your services to other agencies means you can't charge the amount the service deserves. Put it this way - you might charge $1000/month to an SEO company who might sell their services at $5000/month based on the work you do.

              If you were to get clients direct (and I'm not talking local clients but big clients with proper budgets) then you could afford to have fewer client links per site, put your network at less risk, and make as much money as you do now (probably more).

              Just an idea.
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    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    Why I post this? Cause I had a few complains from people about the visual appearance of my network so I thought let's outline the costs if they want the domains to be strong and visual appealing to survive a manual review.

    I don't know. Looking at it from their point of view, if you are going to advertise yourself as "Without Doubt The Highest Quality SEO Service on the Warrior Forum", don't they kind of have a right to complain if they feel the quality of the network sites are lacking?
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    I'm largely with Mike on this one, but I differ only in that I construct sites in a variety of ways. Many of my network sites aren't blogs. For those that are however, he is accurate in that "Articles" look like shit and scream spam.

    It's a bad carry over from the 'article distribution spam' mindset that never really died and lives on in networks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      I'm largely with Mike on this one, but I differ only in that I construct sites in a variety of ways. Many of my network sites aren't blogs.
      We don't differ on that GOY. Its just I have learned that if you talk about anything else but Wordpress among Imers they go into shock. Waaa??? Not WP???
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    If I was more energetic, I'd jump all in here and be loud and obnoxious...

    Instead I'll make a random post and nod in agreement with you Mike.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      If I was more energetic, I'd jump all in here and be loud and obnoxious...
      Take some time off bro. I've heard testing those enlargement products can be tiring, painful and emotionally disappointing.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Take some time off bro. I've heard testing those enlargement products can be tiring, painful and emotionally disappointing.
        mk, I pee'd my pants a little laughing. Or it might have been the pump bursting a vessel.
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          mk, I pee'd my pants a little laughing. Or it might have been the pump bursting a vessel.
          I know which pump you ordered and I'm surprised you aren't dead yet. Did you really have to get it with the v8-powered vacuum motor?
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
            Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

            I know which pump you ordered and I'm surprised you aren't dead yet. Did you really have to get it with the v8-powered vacuum motor?
            Penomet V8 hooked up to a Dyson vacuum, The screams wake the neighbors.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          mk, I pee'd my pants a little laughing. Or it might have been the pump bursting a vessel.
          Would take you to mix up a bladder control product solution with asset deficiencies

          Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

          Did you really have to get it with the v8-powered vacuum motor?
          Of course turned him into a girl . Its what he always wanted.

          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          The screams wake the neighbors.
          Yes but you always did cry like a girl even before so they are used to it.


          Okay now the video is just going to get posts deleted. Friedman gets very upset when people talk/sing about his life experiences
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    Dennis,
    I think one of your problems is that, you are only using your sites for selling links.

    To me that is a complete waste of a PR4 domain.

    A PR4 domain could easily be able to rank for a whole bunch of keywords all on it's own. And can be monetized for the same.

    Also the clients you target with your service are literally one step up from a bunch of Fiverr gigs. Why are you targeting the poor or misguided client, when your ultimate goal is to build a "really" high quality network? Like others have advised, the links out to your plethora of clients will always be a huge red flag, regardless of how well you set things up.

    Less clients, Higher prices, better network?

    Buying $10 articles for a PR4 site is shocking btw, unless they're 300 word or something. But I wouldn't expect any research whatsoever of the subject matter, going into a $10 piece of content from any writer.

    It also begs the question.
    What about your, image, video, theme, etc. costs?

    What about user generated content that's usually free?. Forums, syndication, member sites, groups, feeds etc.. There is more then just articles in the world of content man, get some.

    That's another great thing about having a site that ranks. People see your site, might like your site, and might want to contribute to your site, all for free. Or a little link.
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  • Profile picture of the author KingpinDomains
    There is some sort of crisis now in seo world because of mass pbn deindexation prices of domains increased and will increase in the future, also link rent and link buying prices will increases as it costs more to manage and run pbns
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by KingpinDomains View Post

      There is some sort of crisis now in seo world because of mass pbn deindexation
      There is no crisis. All that happened is a few popular rental PBNs and their owners got slapped and a few others got taken down as well. Google did this a few years ago and as I recall Build My rank was MUCH larger.

      For almost everybody I know running smaller PBNs like small PBNs should be run (without a gazillian links) theres been barely a blip.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        1st person about random stuff and on top of that such posts wouldn't be very relevant to the site and thus the link is less strong and neither can you spice it up with money anchor keywords as that's a dead give away so you end up with somewhat relevant links and generic / URL type of anchors.
        What a crock. Lets call it here - you just want to frighten people away from building their own so they will rent from you. look at what you just wrote

        "1st person about random stuff"

        ROFL #1....

        PBN rental services have all kinds of random clients in "random" niches. Thats the whole business model. rent to as many people in as many different business niches as you can to make cash for high priced domains purchases.

        "wouldn't be very relevant to the site and thus the link is less strong"

        ROFL #2...

        If relevance is a big enough factor (and I admit its getting strong) then it would be based on LSI. I wonder what the relevance is on a rental PBN with several different subjects on the same page/site?? The one thing that holds a private blogger together naturally is that they are writing on one subject - their life and experiences and how I do it is to have them write about the experiences in regard to the niche just like I demonstrated. If you are claiming that the whole site has to be on a subject not just the article/post then you just made a great argument why below $200/month rental PBNs have no future but weakness and deindexation because the entire business model is based on multiple niches and content

        "spice it up with money anchor keywords as that's a dead give away so you end up with somewhat relevant links and generic / URL type of anchors."

        ROFL #3

        what in God's green earth are you talking about? You really think writing a single article for each client and putting their link in there isn't a "dead give away"? You have got to be kidding. This is where just a few sites on a small PBN runs circles around rental networks. Lets take just two niches and two moneys sites. Dog training and something way out there different --- ummm....Office furniture. So my personal blogger just has to claim they like dogs and work at an office furniture site. lets add a third ummm....Amazon review. Okay so my blogger is a single parent that loves dogs , works at an office furniture store and has a hard time making ends meet so love the deals at Amazon. She blogs about her family, her work and her dog and ocassionally about deals on Amazon. The entire site is over and over and over relevant to those three interests with no other niche like SEO, Inversion tables, forex or all of the crap that goes on a rental PBN

        Shucks at any give moment the blog might take off and be a site all on its own particularly if I find a good writer I pay just to blog on that site with a good voice.

        Lets face it - if people don't change how they do PBNs they are going to continue to be deindexed and the sites all penalized. Big PBNs serving hundreds of different niches is a SUPER LARGE footprint. Google just has to and probably already is looking at outgoing anchor text already in their database and nuking sites.

        People need to stop following the very kind of PBN practices that are getting the rental PBNs deindexed and build sites that look more real.. shucks doesn;t even have to be blogs. Every wonder why link.php pages are not getting penalized? - one subject not multiple niches and some of these sites are still there with five pages total or less.

        Why is this? Because content footprint is anchor text as well and outgoing links too and its something that no PBN service provider wants to admit -

        that the footprint is right there in their business model. Multipel different niche links is a dead giveaway.

        PBNs will continue to work and be relatively safe for small tighter networks with a few sites linked to - not one with a hundred different links to pull and unravel like a badly knit sweater.
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Once again the deindexation had one huge common factor, SEO hosting, nothing more nothing less so what you're talking about footprints?
            Not arguing with you on this point, 'cause I don't know one way or the other. But has this really been pretty well *established* as the key to deindexing? Seems like we're still in the many-theories stage of trying to figure it out.
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                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Numbers don't lie so here some facts:

                320 sites on shared hostings - 8 deindexed in the last 90 days

                80 sites on A-class SEO hosting - 28 deindexed in the last 90 days

                Other experimental batch of 40 sites on A-class SEO hosting - 19 deindexed in the last 90 days.

                And that pretty much follows the trend of previous manual attacks on SEO hosts as when I have to look at the overall picture of the last year I probably lost about 90 sites that were on SEO hosting vs 10 sites in total on shared hosts while the majority of domains has always been hosted on shared hosts.
                Damn, I would hate to be buying links from you. Looks like your PBNs are trouble.
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                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Everything is moved already so I don't think 10 out of 320 deindexed in a year time is that bad. Besides that, the experimental ones have never been used for link building on clients and the 80 other sites were among the weakest domains I have and people only receive links on a small portion of them so there were hardly any rankings lost.

                    Only my own affiliate sites received quite a few links from the experimental ones and they saw some drops though nothing to cry about as it were domains that I was prepared to lose.

                    All the well ranking clients, eg top 3 results all maintained their rankings.

                    But hey, glad I could give you the opportunity to comment
                    That's like a car salesman saying he only had 10 of 320 customers not survive a car crash from the cars he sells.

                    Maybe I'll call a taxi?
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                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        I ain't selling domains, I rent links on the network that got affected, so pretty comparable to a taxi service.

                        But it's a bad example anyway, people are pretty aware that most network owners deal with a certain deindexation rate, just part of the game and the benefits still out weight the down side so no biggy.

                        Everyone likes to look at things from a perfect world perspective but perfection has a price that most are not prepared to pay, simple like that.

                        It's also no secret that it's cheaper and perhaps safer to do it yourself however most aren't willing to put in the time / attention either, so no matter how you look at it, I'm filling a demand in the market and am doing it as best as I can with the budgets I receive and obvious I need to make a profit, that's called running a sustainable business and there are no businesses that run 100 percent risk free.
                        Nobody with a clue about SEO would buy a link from anyone that mentioned in their sales copy they have a history of deindexed domains on their backlink network. Deindexed is code for trouble.

                        I know your filling a demand but so is fiverr. That's not a flame, just saying most link buyers are clueless what they're buying. It's easier to reach for a credit card than research/learn.

                        Yet another reason to not get involved in a public network.
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                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            It's funny that people who never sold these type of links know everything about the type of customers that buy these links lol. All based on assumptions and guessing.
                            I've been around links long enough to know junk from quality, it's not rocket surgery.

                            That public link network is prone to every single clients WMT disavow tool & complaining on Google help forums, not a good scenario IMO. Basically those types of links are for disposable sites which I'm sure isn't a big deal considering most WF traffic is building disposable affiliate sites like your Amazon review sites you've mentioned.

                            I was around during the BMR heyday, where do you think BMR went wrong (involving the public)?

                            I'm not sure how you setup your network but I imagine there's a bunch of irrelevancy going on considering the wide diversity of buyer domains/niches. Not my idea of a long term link. I can get those types of links for free on blog comments.
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            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            First you say let the writers write about what they want and now you force them to write about them working in an office, loving dogs and be a great fan of Amazon, hard to find writers that fit all the criteria wouldn't it?
            Dude you can't read a lick. I said I get writers to write about what they like not whatever they want. I hook the interest to the writer and yeah uh-huh it would be so hard to find someone who shops at Amazon likes dogs and works in an office. Theres probably one in every office in the US but you know best.

            I am officially bored
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                      • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        ...the only reason you post it is to try to discredit me but that's how you are...
                        Actually, you discredit you.

                        Not that you will see this
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Cost of rebuilding a useless content PBN... entire lifetime.








    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    STOP WRITING THOSE FREAKING ARTICLES!!
    He's not hearing any of that, he's busy counting words, which only increases his cost for a bunch of crappy reviews that nobody is reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOWizard417
    So many of these PBN threads going. Please, let's stop feeding into the hype that Google knows everything and SEO is dead.
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      Originally Posted by SEOWizard417 View Post

      So many of these PBN threads going. Please, let's stop feeding into the hype that Google knows everything and SEO is dead.
      ...or take the time to at the least read the OP.
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      • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        ...or take the time to at the least read the OP.
        But it's only 12 links!
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          Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

          But it's only 12 links!
          Yea, he's a sig link dropper. I noticed that a few days ago.
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  • Profile picture of the author accessted
    Just out of curiosity, if someone purchases these links and they get de-indexed does Google penalize the money site it points to? or just de-indexes the PBN sites and you may see drop in rankings?
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      Originally Posted by accessted View Post

      Just out of curiosity, if someone purchases these links and they get de-indexed does Google penalize the money site it points to? or just de-indexes the PBN sites and you may see drop in rankings?
      Most likely the money sites are going to get penalized. That's the way I have seen it happen most of the time. Anything form a -500 penalty to completely deindexed.
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    God dammit, I agree with both of you....

    Purpose: What is the link being used for. It determines everything for me...

    But I agree, deindexing is a danger sign.
    Then again, if the site is to test a market, I don't care.

    Overall yukon has the better point but it's not 100% true in all cases.

    Let's hug it out. I'll wear my penis extender.
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      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      God dammit, I agree with both of you....

      Purpose: What is the link being used for. It determines everything for me...

      But I agree, deindexing is a danger sign.
      Then again, if the site is to test a market, I don't care.

      Overall yukon has the better point but it's not 100% true in all cases.
      It's all good, we're just talking SEO shtuff.





      Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

      Let's hug it out. I'll wear my penis extender.
      Keep your hands on the keyboard.
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  • Profile picture of the author masterpeez4py
    To everyone, i have a PBN network of about 40 domains, nothing happened to me, i only dropped for a site due to manual review because i over optimized that site for a particular keyword, hence i have made it look more natural. And all my other sites are standing strong.

    I did nothing special than whats adviced here if you read. I pick pr2 domains with good backlinks profile, changed the whois, used normal hosting for all and nothing happened.

    FACT: To all my competitors in all niche using pbn i didnt see any one of them that disappeared. They are still ranking and it doesnt even seem as if any update was in over 10 niche where i have sites on. Some of which used massive PBN to rank for their sites.

    I wouldnt say PBN is dead but what i can say, for the past 1 year of building mine, i made them look natural and none of this update has touched me for a year. i Build with quality content. You dont have to spend $10/500 words to have a great content. I have a pakistan lady i got from freelancer that writes at $2/500words. My amazon commission gets 4%-6% conversion to show how good or average the writer is.

    Sometimes we need to cut cost and stop pretending we cant get great articles for $2.

    Its not rocket science. Just my 1cent though, am opened to learning new things
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  • Profile picture of the author mrbrent
    has anyone used Hostnine to host their Private Blog Networks?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by mrbrent View Post

      has anyone used Hostnine to host their Private Blog Networks?
      I never have. Aren't they one that advertises themselves as an "SEO host"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jayski32
    I never had a single site deindexed *knocks on wood. I am really lazy too, when it comes to building my PBNs, like its embarrassingly bad. Which makes me think that alot of this is still being done manually.

    As far as costs of building a PBN... Sorry I haven't followed this whole thread so if this has been said I apologize but the costs are very cheap now a days.

    non seo hosting + Content Foundry + Domains = PBN
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    I thought this private blog network linking has been dead a couple of years ago. I remember we subscribed to a SEO company who does services of posting articles in private blog networks. And when Google hit it, most companies closed down.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
      Originally Posted by XenG View Post

      I thought this private blog network linking has been dead a couple of years ago. I remember we subscribed to a SEO company who does services of posting articles in private blog networks. And when Google hit it, most companies closed down.
      If you could publicly buy into them, as you did. You where clearly mis-sold on the whole "Private" in PBN. It was a Public Blog Network you where involved in.

      I was just looking at a domain and found it had a Public BN link to it. It was a Healthy Living site. It had 5 main categories.

      Sony Wide Screen TVs
      Auto Insurance
      Weight Loss
      Mind Control
      Florida Real Estate

      Hompage had about 60, 2000 word posts. I guess that's an authority PBN site.

      Great site +1, I'll be sure to bookmark it for later reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author npoint
    PBN`s are safe and be safe as long as they REALLY private. Public networks were always risky, it`s nothing new. If you build your own private network you should be safe, but there are a lot of "to do" to not leave the footprints, otherwise penalization will comes sooner or later.

    In my opinion cheaper and safer is to base on Web 2.0 these days. And it`s also less time consuming.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by npoint View Post

      PBN`s are safe and be safe as long as they REALLY private. Public networks were always risky, it`s nothing new. If you build your own private network you should be safe, but there are a lot of "to do" to not leave the footprints, otherwise penalization will comes sooner or later.

      In my opinion cheaper and safer is to base on Web 2.0 these days. And it`s also less time consuming.
      I would never put significant time into building a quality network on Web 2.0 sites. I've said it before, and I will say it again. I think that is a horrible idea. At any point, a Web 2.0 site could be taken away from you, or they could decide to include a nofollow tag on every external link. Overnight, your network just got neutered. No thanks.

      Even a lot of private networks are not safe these days with the footprints they are leaving out there. Many got taken down with the big public ones that got hit last month.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Even a lot of private networks are not safe these days with the footprints they are leaving out there. Many got taken down with the big public ones that got hit last month.
        True enough. I have seen countless people after receiving their network sites do nothing but put up a bunch of article s linking to all kind of different niches almost like they are trying to copy the public networks. Copying what Google is going after is bound to get some private networks in trouble especially if you are on a server with a public PBN site even on shared hosting (and that can easily happen)
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        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        on it I guess it's cheaper, till Google cracks down on tiered link spam.
        Something tells me (just a guess not a source) that the near to arrive Penguin update will have more aimed at that.
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