The Day after SOPA - FBI shuts down Megaupload & MegaVideo

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Although it's claimed to be unrelated to the SOPA protests, the FBI has shut down the MegaUpload.com and MegaVideo.com websites, and arrested a number of people.

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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    Interesting. I don't think anyone will miss the pirates -- but take note that there is no mention whether the site was shut down via due process of if they just yanked it - and what the circumstances are in doing so. I know last year when they seized 82 websites they did so with no due process. Since I am not familiar with the site, I don't know if the whole site was at fault for misdoing or if this is just another of the same sort of act as last year's. Perhaps the timing was meant to cool off some of us and make SOPA look like a good thing. Didn't work if that was the plan - due process or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author atvking
      "file sharing" LOL

      double euphemism if I ever saw one...
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    • It looks like grandstanding - it's too "coincidental" - like when the justice department busts tax evaders the week prior to april 15th - they could really probably indict them anytime, but they use the indictment as a "hold card"...

      Even in their own indictment if you read it, mentions a $500,000,000 possible infringement charge, then says "

      Megaupload.com’s income comes primarily from two sources: premiumsubscriptions and online advertising. Premium subscriptions for Megaupload.com have beenavailable for online purchase for as little as a few dollars per day or as much as approximately$260 for a lifetime. In exchange for payment, the Mega Conspiracy provides the fastreproduction and distribution of infringing copies of copyrighted works from its computerservers located around the world. Premium users of the site, a small percentage of the overalluser base, are able to download and upload files with few, if any, limitations.

      They mention millions of users, then also mention a small percentage of the overall base as possibly infringing? It's confusing...

      But - this also well points out that there are ALREADY provisions to protect and enforce against online piracy in place - however, as many have mentioned, without full disclosure we are unable to summise whether they have sufficient evidence, or as Sal suggests, they indict - THEN investigate while they are detaining use.

      This talk on TED is a little over 10mins, but is worth a look IMO...

      TED: Why SOPA is a bad idea - (in an easily explained and eloquent way...)

      Clay Shirky: Why SOPA is a bad idea | Video on TED.com
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        They mention millions of users, then also mention a small percentage of the overall base as possibly infringing? It's confusing...

        They were saying that only a small percentage of the user base are premium customers.

        Even though they did not say it in the article, I wouldn't doubt that only a small percentage of the content distributed on that site was material that they did not have the right to distribute.
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      • Profile picture of the author makingiants
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        It looks like grandstanding - it's too "coincidental" - like when the justice department busts tax evaders the week prior to april 15th - they could really probably indict them anytime, but they use the indictment as a "hold card"...

        Even in their own indictment if you read it, mentions a $500,000,000 possible infringement charge, then says "

        Megaupload.com's income comes primarily from two sources: premiumsubscriptions and online advertising. Premium subscriptions for Megaupload.com have beenavailable for online purchase for as little as a few dollars per day or as much as approximately$260 for a lifetime. In exchange for payment, the Mega Conspiracy provides the fastreproduction and distribution of infringing copies of copyrighted works from its computerservers located around the world. Premium users of the site, a small percentage of the overalluser base, are able to download and upload files with few, if any, limitations.

        They mention millions of users, then also mention a small percentage of the overall base as possibly infringing? It's confusing...

        But - this also well points out that there are ALREADY provisions to protect and enforce against online piracy in place - however, as many have mentioned, without full disclosure we are unable to summise whether they have sufficient evidence, or as Sal suggests, they indict - THEN investigate while they are detaining use.

        This talk on TED is a little over 10mins, but is worth a look IMO...

        TED: Why SOPA is a bad idea - (in an easily explained and eloquent way...)

        Clay Shirky: Why SOPA is a bad idea | Video on TED.com
        Thanks for the link. Gonna share it with my friends!
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      • Profile picture of the author bloomingrose
        Originally Posted by MoneyMagnetMagnate View Post

        It looks like grandstanding - it's too "coincidental" - like when the justice department busts tax evaders the week prior to april 15th - they could really probably indict them anytime, but they use the indictment as a "hold card"...

        Even in their own indictment if you read it, mentions a $500,000,000 possible infringement charge, then says "

        Megaupload.com's income comes primarily from two sources: premiumsubscriptions and online advertising. Premium subscriptions for Megaupload.com have beenavailable for online purchase for as little as a few dollars per day or as much as approximately$260 for a lifetime. In exchange for payment, the Mega Conspiracy provides the fastreproduction and distribution of infringing copies of copyrighted works from its computerservers located around the world. Premium users of the site, a small percentage of the overalluser base, are able to download and upload files with few, if any, limitations.

        They mention millions of users, then also mention a small percentage of the overall base as possibly infringing? It's confusing...

        But - this also well points out that there are ALREADY provisions to protect and enforce against online piracy in place - however, as many have mentioned, without full disclosure we are unable to summise whether they have sufficient evidence, or as Sal suggests, they indict - THEN investigate while they are detaining use.

        This talk on TED is a little over 10mins, but is worth a look IMO...

        TED: Why SOPA is a bad idea - (in an easily explained and eloquent way...)

        Clay Shirky: Why SOPA is a bad idea | Video on TED.com
        Thanks so much for that posting and for the PIPA/SOPA - I was on the phone/writing using social media all day long about this - so proud that the Warrior Forum is down.
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    What about the "customers" can they be arrested. That is probably what has a LOT of people sweating about now.

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  • Profile picture of the author espresso
    was the site based in the US
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Originally Posted by SEOAdvice View Post

    Although it's claimed to be unrelated to the SOPA protests, the FBI has shut down the MegaUpload.com and MegaVideo.com websites, and arrested a number of people.

    Wall Street Journal Blog

    What is amazing about this is that the FBI can pursue, arrest and potentially convict copyright pirates in other countries, with laws that are currently on the books.

    If they can do this with existing legislation, then additional legislation is potentially completely unnecessary.
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    • Profile picture of the author espresso
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      What is amazing about this is that the FBI can pursue, arrest and potentially convict copyright pirates in other countries, with laws that are currently on the books.

      If they can do this with existing legislation, then additional legislation is potentially completely unnecessary.
      and that is one of my main probelms with what's going on
      You can as a person not set foot in the US break any local laws and still be prosecuted. Stand trial in a foregin country.

      And this foregin country hasnt even signed up and refuses to sign up to the international war court
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Stunning.

      Literally every file sharing website is at risk of criminal prosecution.

      The 'black hat' sites whose purpose is to have members upload and then share links should be more than a little concerned.

      Although none of the defendants are US residents, they will be facing extradition to the US for the criminal copyright infringement charges.

      The indictment notes they used a US based web hosting company, plus accepted payments via PayPal (which is based in the US), and used AdBrite advertising on their website (and AdBrite is based in the US).

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      I'm still waiting to see criminal indictments from China, N.Korea, Saudi Arabia, and a slew of other countries, due to claimed violations of their laws (such as a blog insulting a leader), with demands that US residents be extradited to those countries for prosecution.

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  • Profile picture of the author J Bold
    If it was only about hosting video they don't have the rights to host, would this be a big deal? You can find all kinds of copyrighted material on youtube, still. They will take it down if they find it or get a request to do so, but you still can find old videos on there with copyrighted material, no doubt.

    So what's the difference with megavideo? Is megavideo actively taking part in the proliferation of copyrighted material they do not own and not shutting down a link unless they get a DMCA?

    But in this case, they (FBI) claim there's massive money laundering. I want to know what they define as money laundering?

    The article I read just raised more questions in my mind than answers. Interesting stories, for sure, but I think there's still a lot of clarity needed on this issue, worldwide.

    Also, it says the site is based in Hong Kong but they arrested people in New Zealand. I'm betting U.S. authorities caught them when they went on vacation or something and New Zealand allowed the arrests to take place in their country whereas Hong Kong (China) wouldn't? Just guessing...
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    • Profile picture of the author James B. Allen
      Some of them were residents here in New Zealand - living right here in Auckland.

      The police ran raids across town all morning. Folks - New Zealand residents - were arrested all across this city half a world away on behalf of the US Gov't.

      The ones they got are being arraigned at court here in Auckland this afternoon. Pretty quick, wouldn't you say?

      Insane.

      They even arrested the site's GRAPHICS guy!

      Here's the latest updates from right here in New Zealand:

      Megaupload.com | NZ residents arrested in internet... | Stuff.co.nz

      Scary stuff.



      Originally Posted by redicelander View Post


      Also, it says the site is based in Hong Kong but they arrested people in New Zealand. I'm betting U.S. authorities caught them when they went on vacation or something and New Zealand allowed the arrests to take place in their country whereas Hong Kong (China) wouldn't? Just guessing...
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  • Profile picture of the author AppsFromHome
    WOW!

    I did NOT hear about this....and I even get the Wall Street Journal delivered to my door every morning. =)

    Things are starting to get out of hand. Sure it may have been a two year investigation but it is no coincidence it happened the day after SOPA protests.

    Also, thanks for the video link to the TED talk. Anything TED puts out is quality.
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    • Profile picture of the author J Bold
      Originally Posted by SDotSpells View Post

      WOW!

      I did NOT hear about this....and I even get the Wall Street Journal delivered to my door every morning. =)

      Things are starting to get out of hand. Sure it may have been a two year investigation but it is no coincidence it happened the day after SOPA protests.

      Also, thanks for the video link to the TED talk. Anything TED puts out is quality.
      As the case has been going on for a long time, it could very well be coincidence. They could have struck right when they had the opportunity and the all-clear from New Zealand authorities to make the arrests.
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    • Profile picture of the author mojojuju
      Originally Posted by SDotSpells View Post


      I did NOT hear about this....and I even get the Wall Street Journal delivered to my door every morning. =)
      Do you really not understand why this news story, which was published this afternoon, would not be in the newspaper that was delivered to your door this morning?
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    And it looks like Anonymous may be the cause of justice.gov going offline today just after the takedown went public. Check out the link in my post on this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-hammered.html
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  • Profile picture of the author sonicadam123
    Surely they could shut down links using a DMCA and like has already been said .. there's copyrighted content all over youtube and other video sharing sites ...

    The site owners surely can't keep track of every file that may or may not be in breach of copyright .. besides I don't think the FBI have the concerns of the true copyright holders at heart and when they file these "claims" they make judgements on what is actually concerned illegal sharing, some uploads may simply be with the copyright owners consent.

    Here is an example .. Not sure if anyones into hip hop but there's a site called Dajaz1.com (or something similar) ...

    They got shut down because of the US Government, I think it was "ICE" who was at the heart of it all .... and what evidence did they should the site down based on?

    The word of one guy who is a VP at a major record label who had no way of knowing whether these songs were or weren't being distributed illegally ..

    NO PROOF WHAT SO EVER!

    And all the songs ICE claimed were being illegally distributed were all distributed at the consent of the copyright holders of the music for publicity purposes to increase their exposure and help them sell more music ....

    So the site was shut down, eventually after a year ... but no site can really recover from such huge disruption ...

    And i'm sure people relied on that site as a source of income and others rely on it to publicize their music .. but the government screws them over and it's ok ...


    Timing of this is a bit strange too ...

    And don't forget Hollywood was founded on the basis of stealing other peoples idea's...
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by sonicadam123 View Post

      Surely they could shut down links using a DMCA and like has already been said .. there's copyrighted content all over youtube and other video sharing sites ...
      The indictment alleges take-downs due to DMCA complaints were bogus, and infringing material was never actually removed from the site.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mark Alan
        Surely they could shut down links using a DMCA and like has already been said ..
        The problem with shutting down just the "links" is that generally speaking a new link by a new user goes up soon to replace the old one that was shut down making the owner of the stolen material have to enter an endless loop of sending ineffective DMCAs.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Kudos to the FBI for this takedown. Good riddance to the pirates. Goes to show that if they can do this, they certainly don't need SOPA and PIPA to go after pirates.
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    I ALWAYS see their Rolls Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe in town.. Guess not now
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      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      I ALWAYS see their Rolls Royce Phantom Drophead Coupe in town.. Guess not now
      but what about the maserati, lamborghini and 15 mercedes?
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  • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
    It feels like a war zone this week.

    - Millions more online accounts hacked.

    - Entertainment industry withholding money from politicians.

    - Websites shutting-down in protest.

    - FBI going after more websites with criminal charges.

    - Hackers going after government websites shutting them down.

    Is this the wave of the future?

    For all the talk about the maturity of the Internet, it is still an amazingly insecure and chaotic place where everyone is constantly subject to being attacked from viruses.

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  • Profile picture of the author celente
    Originally Posted by newjerseycrown View Post

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    Remain where you are and someone from homeland security will be there shortly to ship you to our FEMA camp for your safety.

    Sincerely,
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    I chuckled at this, but then I remember my uncle in the US who is in a lot of trouble for taking pictures of what he believes is a FEMA camp.

    That was in Illinois. He is going to be fined or something, I last heard. :rolleyes:

    Just the governments way to stop occupy wall street rallies and have more control on the people.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOAdvice
    Great to see the participation in this thread, and to hear the many opinions, a good few of which I share.
    In particular, government involvement in every little breath we take lately, under the guise of "protecting us from...what?" is quite frightening. Where exactly does invasion of our privacy and restriction of our basic human rights and free speech start? Because it feels terribly like they're there already
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    It's interesting that the CEO of Megaupload, a rapper and producer and husband to pop star Alicia Keys, was not listed among those charged. link



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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    This really is a dark day on the web.

    Why is it that Youtube is still up?

    That site is FULL of copyrighted material.

    Oh wait, hang on, thats owned by Google. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author davezan
    Some things to note:

    Justice Department indictment of MegaUpload - Los Angeles Times

    25. On or about June 24, 2010, members of the Mega Conspiracy were informed,
    pursuant to a criminal search warrant from the U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, that thirty-nine infringing copies of copyrighted motion pictures were present on their leased servers at Carpathia Hosting, a hosting company headquartered in the Eastern District of Virginia.

    ...

    As of November 18, 2011, more than a year later, thirty-six of the thirty-nine infringing motion pictures were still being stored on the servers controlled by the Mega Conspiracy.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Welcome to information super highway.....

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    • Profile picture of the author MakeMoneyJames
      Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

      The 'black hat' sites whose purpose is to have members upload and then share links should be more than a little concerned.
      Even sites that have nothing to do with "hollywood" entertainment or big corporations?

      Do they really care about the little guys copyright infringement?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeTucker
    Well said, Johnny.
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    This is hilarious! Love it!

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